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Sam Bankman Fried using population statistics to proves why Shakespeare sucks

>> No.22585278

>>22585256
I think utilitarians should be fed to lions in order to entertain the public. I've done some statistical analysis and found that doing so will increase the amount of the happiness in the universe by 0.0000000000000000000000000000001%.

>> No.22585318

>>22585256
Sam Bankman Fried should be in jail for crimes against humanity. And he can give all these interesting, subversive opinions to his cell mate Juan.

>> No.22585395

>>22585256
We all have to make up for being illiterate somehow.

>> No.22585425

>>22585256
Imagine thinking mass-literacy and conflating quality with lowest-common-denominator HELPED art rather than hurt it.

God I fucking hate techbros.

>> No.22585453

>>22585425
Technros are stupid morons

>> No.22585508

This is the third time this thread has been made in a couple days. If you post in this thread I will rape your mom

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>>22585256
tech fucks are unable to understand art. completely and utterly unable to comprehend it. if you try and show them beauty in a poem, complexity in a painting, the force captured in a sculpture or dance, the subtle interplay between actors in a stage play, they break down. they cannot understand anything that does not "optimize" or "maximize." they are trapped within a mental prison and they can't even comprehend that they're in the prison to begin with. in fact, if you even suggest to them, even whisper to them, that maybe, possibly, perhaps, they don't really understand art -- they lose their fucking minds. the very IDEA of aestheticism is beyond their grasp. and we have to listen to them blather on about how their robot is going to write novels, or how their program can make a perfect van gogh, shoot a movie, craft a poem, describe a portrait, while knowing nothing of these beautiful and wondrous manifestations of the human spirit. the only prism they have to view art is that of technical skill. good art of any kind good because looks good. a child's understanding of aesthetics. if I don't get it it because art bad. the idiot's veto. but because these fucks have so much money and so much power we all have to politely nod along to their philistinic drivel, treat them as if they have interesting perspectives, new things to say, a fresh take on the very soul of humanity. when they don't. they have no idea and they don't care about learning. art, literature, music, all fully exist outside of what they are able to understand, and because it exists outside of their ken, they think that it's bullshit. fucking imbeciles, all of them

>> No.22586053

Somehow he will end up in Israel

>> No.22586073

>>22585256
>university makes you smart
it's amazing that there are people who really believe this. university is 90% waste of time and maybe 9% useless stuff to keep kids busy and the remaining percent is what you need to know.

>> No.22586137

>>22585256
The fallacy here is assuming literacy is all that's needed for a great writer. There also needs to be a study of logic and rhetoric, knowledge of the greek and roman classics, etc, and there are less of those since 1800 than before.

>> No.22586153

>>22586010
Too many stops, your whole post should be a single sentence to evoke DFW feels

All in all, I agree with you.
T. Techfag

>> No.22586804

>>22586010
screenshotting this

>> No.22586809

>>22585256
>gentry thinking it can comment on matters of art and beauty

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>>22586010
>posts DFW

>> No.22586986

>>22586813
He’s not wrong though. An artistic lobotomy seems to be a precondition of working in tech

>> No.22587427

>>22586073
spoken like someone who got memed into compsci and still resents that they didn’t get to spend four years studying what they actually cared about

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>>22585256

>> No.22587443

>>22586010
jesus, techfags completely btfo

>> No.22587446

>>22585256
Like 40% of the English population could read in the 17th century and either way; Shakespeare didn't write closet drama, he wrote stage plays.

>> No.22587472

>>22587427
spoken like someone who spent uni in the library instead of sex and partying

>> No.22587670

>>22587472
>parties the entire time
>bro college is useless bullshit bro
how would you know? doesn’t sound like you attended many classes

>> No.22587936

Does anyone actually believe that Shakespeare is the greatest author of all time?

>> No.22588050

>>22585256
He’s right

>> No.22588196

>>22587936
>he doesn’t believe Shakespeare is the greatest writer of all time
who would you say is if not him anon?
>>22586010
I can feel the rage. Based post fuck techtards

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>>22586010
Rush already solved this.

>> No.22588305

Being literate doesn't mean you're capable of writing poetry or storytelling. You need a whole checklist of traits to be Shakespeare. If you reduce it to just literacy, you look like an absolute moron.

>> No.22588313

>>22585256
But that doesn't prove anything. He's only making a probabilistic deduction, which is always less valuable than the empirical discovery, which SBF is perfectly capable of corroborating by reading Shakespeare and comparing him to modern authors
Surely, if he's smart he must know his reasoning is logically fucked. Of course, he's just rationalising his preferences via sophistry for midwits

>> No.22588322

>>22585256
he’s right and 90% of people that disagree don’t even understand the point he’s making

>> No.22588419

Shakespeare lived at the time when theatre was the most popular entertainment. It was popular with everyone from peasants to royalty. So it makes sense that the greatest playwright is from that time

>> No.22588443

>>22588322
depends on how we want to define greatest writer. SBF seems to think that "greatest writer" is some kind of objective measurement (>>22586010 something that can be "maximized") and not a complex term that encompasses degree of influence, engagement with literary titans before, innovation within a specific historical moment, etc. His point only makes sense if you think of literary greatness as something you can measure with a ruler but that's the wrong way to think about it

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>>22588313
>Surely, if he's smart
Are you at all familiar with effective altruists and rationalists? Let's just say there's a difference between intelligent and blindingly autistic.

>> No.22588503

>>22588471
>Are you at all familiar with effective altruists and rationalists?
Tbf SBF did outright said that the whole EA thing he was doing was just so he would get positive press, and that he didn't really care otherwise. He is still a dimwitted conman, however.

>> No.22588762

>>22588471
>>22588503
anyone who mentions effective altruism on this board should be shot

>> No.22589637

>>22585425
But weren't Shakespeares plays popular with the lowest common denominator of his day?

>> No.22589847

>>22586137
>There also needs to be a study of logic and rhetoric, knowledge of the greek and roman classics, etc, and there are less of those since 1800 than before.
There's no evidence to suggest that Shakespeare studied any of that shit bro lmao, its actually hypothesized that he dropped out of school as a teenager to help his father deal with financial difficulties
>>22585256
His point isnt that Shakespeare sucks, but that he's massively overrated. Imo SBF is a subhuman pile of garbage who deserves to be vivisected while conscious, but honestly, perhaps bc of my own prejudice in favor of anti-establishment contrarianism, i dont think the crux of his argument here is without merit. His opinion here was probably motivated predominantly by jealousy & resentment & his own innately jewish anti-european bias, but his point is not automatically false merely bc of his likely bad intentions

>> No.22589859

Shakespeare minus the poetry is unironically mediocre melodrama.

>> No.22590098

>>22587670
have sex, incel.

>> No.22590131

>>22586010
OK.

>> No.22590365

>>22586010
>but because these fucks have so much money and so much power we all have to politely nod along to their philistinic drivel, treat them as if they have interesting perspectives, new things to say, a fresh take on the very soul of humanity. when they don't.
No you don't. Spineless little faggot.

>> No.22590396

>>22587427
I spent 4 years studying what I cared about and was completely unemployable afterward.

>> No.22590410

This. Same thing with Bach or Mozart or Beethoven. We have Doja Cat and other contemporary greats

>> No.22591074

>>22589847
>There's no evidence to suggest that Shakespeare studied any of that shit bro lmao
>>he believes the lore bro lmao
There's no evidence to suggest that William Shaksper of Stratford was even literate.

>> No.22591091

>>22585256
So according to this guy finding the “number one greatest writer” is a matter of sorting by population and finding the highest mean probability just based on shit like how many people are alive? And this is supposed to be an intelligent person?

>> No.22591134

>>22585256
This is why philosophy, particularly advanced philosophy, is needed. Because everything just becomes a pointless number game without out.

>> No.22591140

>>22589859
>mediocre
I'm so sick of you midwit contrarians. How the fuck are the likes of King Lear, Hamlet or Mac Beth mediocre melodramas?

>> No.22591289

>>22591091
just another jewish adderall zombie techworker subhuman.

>> No.22591315

>>22586010
One day, a machine will be capable of analyzing and transforming this emotional outburst into data it could use to generate something that will stimulate this monkey's brain so hard it will make a religion out of it.

>> No.22591553

>>22586010
I was a STEMfag like that, just didn't get art or poetry, but it turned out I was simply NEVER exposed to any actual good art in my life up through university. Since then I managed to develop a sense of taste through massive exposure to fine art. For some people you really do need to see 1000 still life pictures in person to get it and develop an appreciation.

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>>22588305
Yeah not everyone can be the son of a glove maker.

>> No.22591809

>>22590365
>No you

>> No.22591825

>>22585256
braindead take
literate people used to be well versed in 7 languages at least one of which wasn't spoken anymore by any nation
literate people today read tiktok video descriptions and whatever some obese pink haired libtard is tweeting

>> No.22592208

>>22590365
I mean you don’t if you’re just some average fuck but if you’re someone who wants to make his way in the world then you have to treat them well because they have all the money

>> No.22592597

>>22585256
Bad argument
Good point
STEMchads see language as a shitty medium meant to be abused by white boards and terminals not flowery sodomy

>> No.22592611

>>22586010
>t. meme degree holder

>> No.22592663

>>22585256
I have literally never, not even in the context of applied mathematics or machine learning, heard anything good associated with the term "Bayesian." All it does is waste computational time and your own time by forcing your to say absolutely retarded shit like this.

>> No.22592666

Shakespeare was popular with the masses. Just like how marvel movies are popular today. They both catered to the lowest common denominator. If you genuinely think Shakespeare is the peak of literature I dunno what to tell you.

>> No.22592704

>>22585256
writing talent leading to works that are the best can't be compared to sprinting genetics leading to fast 100m times.

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22592835

>>22585278
>utilitarianism is LE BAD because IT JUST IS OKAY

>> No.22592841

>>22585278
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BYUlKSY4wk

>> No.22592863

>>22592835
>and to bolster my claim, here are the musical stylings of a double digit IQ retard twitter poster

>> No.22592876

>>22592835
>tpot
>blue check
Opinions discarded.

>> No.22592884

>>22592835
Utilitarianism is bad on utilitarian grounds because burning all utilitarians alive will maximize collective happiness and the security of our peace of mind

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>>22585256
How does it feel knowing that this person and his goblin gf have fucked more people than most on this board

>> No.22592930

>>22585256
This is how "effective altruists" think and why they are always hamstrung by their own unconsidered priors.
For instance, Shakespeare had a better classical education than anyone born in the last 50 years, so there is no way they could have done what he did.
Also this filthy scammer fucking rat goblin should be in prison not giving his hot takes

>> No.22592961

>>22586010
Artists are just autists who obsessed with meme skills

>> No.22593111

>>22585256
one of the more jewish quotes I've ever read

>> No.22593120

>>22592910
Speed-fueled orgies

>> No.22593332

>>22585256
Does it make any sense to pull out statistics when the person’s work is right there to be looked at? That’s like saying few people in India had a good mathematical education so it’s unlikely that someone like Ramanujan would come from there, which is maybe a true statement, but it also doesn’t matter when Ramanujan did actually come from India. At that point it only makes sense to analyze the actual work they did rather than the probability of someone in their circumstances producing the work

>> No.22594287

>>22585278
Fpbp

>> No.22594288

>>22590410
Slightly creative bait. Enjoy rhis (You)

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>>22586010
Techfags btfo

>> No.22594347

>>22585256
>frequentist argument
>thinks he is making a bayesian argument
What a dimwitted faggot, doesn't even understand what he is talking about. His odds of not getting ass raped in the prison isn't exactly looking better considering the givens that he is a pale weak young rich and entitled jew princess.

>> No.22594443

>>22587936
After Milton, yes.

>> No.22594486

>>22586010
Damn. This is pretty spot-on, especially the part about them not understanding anything that doesn’t “optimize”

>> No.22594488

>>22592961
It's funny because STEM fags as a group are disproportionately into all sorts of nerdy entertainment media like anime, video games, fantasy, sci-fi, dungeons & dragons etc. Media that couldn't exist without artists. STEMfags don't even seem to realize just how dependant and addicted they are to what artists provide to them in form of escapism and entertainment.

>> No.22594497

>>22589859
>Shakespeare minus the poetry
the poetry is what makes Shakespeare Shakespeare, you fucking tard

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22594518

While we're on the topic of SBF, let's talk about the Rationalism cult that he came from.

Specifically: let's talk about how they were the progenitors of the Soilent meme.

No one remembers this shit today, but the rationalists were the first and biggest customers and shills of Soilent, back in 2013 when it first came out, long before it was bottled and sold in grocery stores.

They espoused Soilent as a defining part of their rational outlook, for they treated cooking and eating itself as an irrational relic of the past. They created custom recipes for Soilent, tailored it for different meal plans like keto. Here's a 2014 quote from leading rationalist blogger Scott Alexander, typifying his community:

>(There is a partly-formed attempt to spin off a Grey Tribe typified by libertarian political beliefs, Dawkins-style atheism, vague annoyance that the question of gay rights even comes up, eating paleo, drinking Soilent, calling in rides on Uber, reading lots of blogs, calling American football “sportsball”, getting conspicuously upset about the War on Drugs and the NSA, and listening to filk – but for our current purposes this is a distraction and they can safely be considered part of the Blue Tribe most of the time)

They DEFINED themselves by Soilent. Also, Scott Alexander advertised on his blog a whole-foods version of this meal replacement conceit, called MealSquares. That is how het-up these people were about casting off cooking and food altogether. It was practically a religious conviction for them.

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>>22594518
Picrel is MealSquares. It's just ingredients blended into a baked loaf. If you removed the chocolate chips, it's essentially a glorified prison loaf:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutraloaf

And this is the kind of shit that the rationalists saw as the improved future for humanity.

>> No.22594592

>>22594518
Rationalists might be my least favourite meme internet faction. Retarded, self important and boring, a lethal mixture.

>> No.22594609

>>22585256
This type of reasoning could work for other areas, like math, but does anyone believe that Terence Tao is smarter than Euler?

>> No.22594659

>>22594609
Yes because he knows everything Euler knew but also more modern stuff like computers and Breaking Bad.

>> No.22594708

>>22592863
emilsson is roughly a billion times smarter than you

>> No.22594725

>>22589637
Because Shakespeare plays often include a “fool” who explains things to the dummies in the audience and does whacky shit to entertain the plebs in between the actual story. Plus his ability to appeal to both the upper class and the low was part of his great talent, he gets at the universal concerns of life.

>> No.22594744

>>22585256
There might be someone who given a decent culture would be more talented than Shakespeare.

But we don't have a culture where literary greatness is developed. Would a Shakespeare clone, educated in a good highschool in London have the same kind of culture as Shakespeare?

Also, would the Shakespeare clone even be able to get published?

>> No.22594816

>>22586010
The techies who understand art call themselves designers.

Art exists in the interplay between expression and medium, and tech allows for the advancement of the medium itself. If you value deep subjective expressions in art then the objective seems shallow for its rigidity, but ultimately it is a solid foundation on which the meaning and talos of art itself can be built upon.

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>>22592835
Pascal's wager explains the theoretical limit of quantification. Infinite Love is incalculable and it ends in martyrdom. Irrational faith in the Resurrection thereby accounts for utilitarianism and is beyond hedonism. The nature of reality is cruciform.

>> No.22595494 [DELETED] 

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Why banes so slow? Not sorry at all for distracting your posting time on the actual thread, nigger faggot! Lmfao

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>>22592835 #
Pascal's wager explains the theoretical limit of quantification. Infinite Love is incalculable and must go through martyrdom. Irrational faith in the Resurrection thereby accounts for utilitarianism and is beyond hedonism. The nature of reality is cruciform.

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>>22592835 #
Pascal's wager explains the theoretical limit of quantification. Infinite Love is incalculable and must go through martyrdom. Irrational faith in the Resurrection thereby accounts for utilitarianism and is beyond hedonism. The nature of reality is cruciform. Remember your death.

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>>22592835
Pascal's wager explains the theoretical limit of quantification. Infinite Love is incalculable and must go through martyrdom. Irrational faith in the Resurrection thereby accounts for utilitarianism and is beyond hedonism. The nature of reality is cruciform. Remember your death.