/lit/ - Literature

>>22570447
lol. Good (shit but at least its kind of funny shit) thread anon. Here is your (you).

>>22570447
>I grew up in the church and loved it
>became atheist in high school
>loved Nietzche philosophy
>rediscover God
>realize being Christlike is being the Übermensch

>>22570447
Nietzsche is a christtard who thinks jesus was the greatest man ever, when he says “christianity” he means Paul and the church not the teachings of yeshua.

>>22570462
Reading Paul's books you can see his self righteous pharisee nature come out a little despite being guided by the Holy Spirit

>>22570447

Nietzsche understood Christianity well enough to knoe that the last Christian died on the Cross.

>>22570447
E-Catholics and neckbeard fake orthodox know nothings don't realise how the Calvinist concept of "The Elect" gives heavenly mandated target on the backs on everyone outside the radical protestant base. All these memes about muh megachurch muh no cool buildings muh joel osteen when the reality is this doctrine is, if interpreted in the right historical circumstances permission to jihad every fucker on the planet and take their shit. See Sir Francis Drake and Gustavus Adolphus for further reading on that one

>>22570447
"But Jesus answered them, “To this very day My Father is working out, and I too am working out.”

>>22570655
Not being capable of violence is weak but every time you use it offensively you also signal weakness and fear. When it is groups doing it in defense of a higher principle meant to organize society it undermines the authority of that principle to some degree, gains made through the violence might make up for it but the high cost is still there.

>>22570447
>It is a religion whose core messages proclaim the doctrine of heredity and the survival of the fittest.
No it doesn't. The founder said that he was coming back within a few decades and that you needed to abstain from sex and engage in radical asceticism to avoid eternal damnation. If you're going to argue that it's "Aristocratic" in the same sense that Jainism is, sure.

>The Flood myth and of Noah represents the survival of the fittest, triumphing over the terrors of the storm to colonize the Earth.
Judaism is about that, but no Christianity is not. You're a gentile, you're one of the cattle meant to be tamed by the superior Chosen master race.

>>22570762
>no it doesn't. look at the strawman of it i made!

>>22570447
Bro, Jesus went on and on about how to be a little bitch and resist not evil and turn the other cheek and the meek will inherit the earth and take no thought for the morrow and on and on and on. If you find contradictory quotes, it just goes to show that Christianity is incoherent, but all the little bitch stuff is still in there.

>>22570762
I like the theory that Jesus was actually killed as part of the Festival of Purim, where Jesus was the human sacrifice in the role of Haman and the prisoner that Pilate let go free acted in the role of Mordecai.

>>22570473
>despite being guided by the Holy Spirit
I have bad news for ya

>>22571151
That's all just ancient-speak for fighting smartly. You think all those Christian warriors and kings just actually didn't know anything about Christianity and/or were just breaking its rules with zero hesitation?

>>22571171
>switches from talking about a jew forcing gentiles to recognize that he is their equal to the jew being the superior in the space of one sentence

>>22570447
No matter how much you hate being a surplus male in an egalitarian society it will not make Christianity real.

>>22570447
>interpreting the lords words in your own vanity
Enjoy hell.

>>22571171
>Fight smart by giving away your possessions, working double for your tormentors, and taking no thought for the morrow: no thrift, no investment, no savings
Boy, if only we could all fight with such smarts!

>>22570459
Based

>>22571171
kino post.
man, i wanna get as good at theology and apologetics as those posters.

>>22571171
>Christian warriors and kings
centuries removed from the OG social justice movement, the Karlings, Arpads, and Hautevilles were less Berkeley and more Blackrock

>>22570447
>Nietzsche failed-

Sufficient.

>>22571171
based
Verification not required.

Neetchie was raised protestant, it's no wonder he didn't understand Christianity in full.

Imagine worshiping Jesus over Odin

>>22572805
Odin is literally a (gender-transgressive) tranny god and that's one of the few things we actually know about him

>>22570447
>Worship self-sacrifice
>Invited to own nothing and be pious
I like other people to be Christians, but you are literally a cult worshipping death, self-sacrifice for the many, and the end of the world, who claims the unfit (the poor, the meek) will inherit the world

>>22570447
I am sure Neetzchee understood Christianity better than some fat slob who can’t even lift the Bible over their head without being exhausted

>>22572889
Sorry anon, but I'm from /fit/. I can easily lift the Bible over a 100 times.

>>22572871
Of Odin‘s several identities, one uses a title similar to „gelding“ to denote that he does not perform a warrior function in a society where this was expected of men. You are abnormally fixated on trannies.

>>22571171
And yet 99% of Christians don’t even fathom these interpretations. Why did God choose to communicate in such an outdated fashion?

>>22572889
>implying Nietzsche could lift the Bible over his head without being exhausted
His physical condition was notoriously pathetic.

>>22573305
fault of the reader.
Christ exemplifies the same thing with His teaching and use of parables;
if you wanted to listen, you'd pay attention and reason about it.
if you didn't, you could misconstrue it and disregard.

also, as with any book, you wouldn't expect someone to be able to read a lawsuit without knowledge of law; or a book full of references without those references.
same thing.

>>22573306
not to forget
>literally bust two muscles after hitting the saddle of his horse
>nearly died from a minor wound

>>22573283
christer apologists insist Odin should be a virile and masculine manly man of a God otherwise he is laughable, but Jesus was celibate, homeless, and murdered by Italian policemen on behalf of angry priests.

>>22570473
>>22571170
He does say numerous times stuff to the effect of "This is not God speaking right here, but I'm telling you this because I think it's good advice." He doesn't hide it.

>B-BUT NIETZSCHE IS LITERALLY CHRISTIAN
incoherent

>>22570447
redpilled

>>22570447
>failed
>failed to see
Nietzsche predicted the future, you can't even predict when your rabbi will return
>“Do not seek a wife. This is what I mean, brothers: the appointed time has grown very short. From now on, let those who have wives live as though they had none, and those who mourn as though they were not mourning, and those who rejoice as though they were not rejoicing, and those who buy as though they had no goods, and those who deal with the world as though they had no dealings with it. For the present form of this world is passing away.” (1 Corinthians 7:27,29-31)
>“The end of all things is near…” (1 Peter 4:7)
>“…the coming of the Lord is near. …the Judge is standing right at the door.” (James 5:8, 9)
>We who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, shall not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first; then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air (1 Thess. 4:15-17).
>Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. (Matthew 24:34)
2 more millennia

>>22570447
All I need to know is that when you receive a supernatural healing by drawing close to Jesus, you don’t really need to rationalize or make excuses for Him anymore. Mind you miracles don’t really equal faith, but I went from not being able to live and everything doctors prescribed making it worse, to suddenly having life and having it more abundantly.

>>22570447
based

>>22572569
underrated

>>22570447

>>22574841

More related verses here: https://blacknonbelievers.org/jesus-failed-prophecy-about-his-return/

>>22570772
>the bible is a strawman!
Correct. That's the problem. You're worshiping the Middle Ages, and not the divine.

>>22572871
This is not true, and the reason that you are saying this is because of the Antiwhite delusions of a 20th century Frankfurt-School sexologist who posited that Jesus was a homosexual prostitute, the Apostles were his clients, and that Christian Mass is about consuming the officiant's semen.

>>22573283
One of the names for Odin is "Geldnir", which means "Gelder" not "Gelding". As in, he's the one cutting the cock off of the animal. The wikipedia article is incorrect (fucking obviously given that it says that the English translation of "geldnir" is "gelging").

>>22577669

What do you know of the divine, supernaturalist?

>>22577663
I feel silly for talking to a png because I'm 100% certain that the person posting this isn't equipped to discuss this and probably wouldn't change their mind under any circumstances

>no contemporaneous outsider source corroborates these claims
so you want someone who corroborates the miraculous accounts of Jesus but without having converted? this is absurd but regardless it exists but I'm sure you'll still find a reason to disregard it

source: The Christians as the Romans Saw Them by Robert Louis Wilken

>>22577720
So he's not the Jewish Messiah, the Jewish prophecies are bunk, he's just one of several Jewish magicians running around Israel at the time. That means that we don't have to mutilate our genitals and give money to Israel, whew!

>>22577720
celsus is not an eyewitness to the resurrection you stupid christer, he is arguing against Christianity generations later

>>22577720
>I feel silly for talking to a png because I'm 100% certain that the person posting this isn't equipped to discuss this and probably wouldn't change their mind under any circumstances

Pre-emptive defensive posturing isn't a terribly good sign. Have you ever argued with Marxists who automatically assume anyone who disagrees with them is totally ignorant of Marx, and do you not regonize that behavior as ego protection?

>"so you want someone who corroborates the miraculous accounts of Jesus but without having converted?"

No, they can have converted, I'm looking for their independent accounts. We should expect these to exist, given Paul wrote 500 people witnessed the resurrected Christ. If you say anyone with such a story would've had it included in the Bible, where are the testimonies of those 500? Even a few of them? Why aren't we so much as told any of their names?

>"but I'm sure you'll still find a reason to disregard it"

This is, again, pretentious pre-emptive posturing. "Well hmph maybe I don't have evidence BUT IF I DID you would ignore it anyway, how unreasonable of you"

>>22577747
>I'm looking for their independent accounts
Matthew, Luke and John are considered independent accounts that utilized Mark as a source. Secular scholarship have also had to resort to inventing a gospel called Q to account for similarities that don't exist in Mark.

>>22577723
>e's just one of several Jewish magicians running around Israel at the time.
Can you name 1
>>22577739
what do eye witnesses have to do with what the PNG said

>>22577720
The Bible records lots of graves opening up and many dead walking around the city and appearing to many people. The central miracle of Jesus wasn't even particularly unique to him in the Biblical account itself! (Matthew 27:52-53). It's clear the story of Jesus and the Bible stories in general were much exaggerated in tellings and retellings.

>>22577833
Yeah sure, the other three dudes named "Yeshua Bar Yosef" at the time, Doseos the Samaritan, Simon Bar Khoba, Judas of Galilee (new relation to Jesus's betrayer), Theudas, Simon of Peraea, Athronges, the Rabbi who had the flying laser-eye duel with Jesus, the Rabbi who converted Nero, the Rabbi who converted Augustus, the Rabbi who converted Julius Caesar, Gamaliel, Hillel the Younger, Hillel the Elder... Look, every Jew at the time was starting a cult and claiming to have magic powers.

>>22577833
>what do eye witnesses have to do with what the PNG said
celsus is not an example of "someone who corroborates the miraculous accounts of Jesus but without having converted," he is reporting what Christians believe and ridiculing it

>>22577815
>Matthew, Luke and John are considered independent accounts

So, the apostles. Still not what I asked for, unless you are counting them among Paul's 500, which even you must realize is a pathetic contortion.

>>22573305
I mean, is it really that hard to interpret? While I agree with OP and >>22571171 I've never interpreted Matthew 5:39 as a passage suggesting weakness. It's not telling someone to cry or flee, you stand there and confront them, taunting them by turning your cheek as if you were asking for another hit because the first one was thrown by a malnourished limp-wristed provincial. Historical context aside, I think that's pretty straightforward if you think about it for more than 5 seconds.

>>22570447
>Nietzsche
ok but like is this guy suppose to be a scarecrow of an incel or is he really just a guy from hundreds of years ago?

>>22577993
>The Bible records lots of graves opening up and many dead walking around the city and appearing to many people.

The Qur'an and Hadiths recount Muhammad climbing ladders to reach the various levels of h Heaven to negotiate easier prayer schedules with Allah.

Also, flying to Medina on a winged donkey. Also, splitting the Moon in half by pointing to it.

>>22570655
I was raised Calvinist for a bit. Didnt like the strictness. Neither did my mom so we went back to being Lutheran

>>22573305
>outdated fashion
Almost like the Bible was written thousands of years ago or something and was easily understood by the people contemporary to the time period or something

>>22578465
Yes, same type of cult of credulous believers, same ridiculous magic

>>22570447
Christianity is a religion of the Truth. Remember the two commandments. Satan and his pride tempt with promises of worldly domination. I see them always in my imagination. The Church Fathers have warned against it. Only confession has helped me.

>>22571171
>You think all those Christian warriors and kings just actually didn't know anything about Christianity and/or were just breaking its rules with zero hesitation?
Uh, yeah?

>>22579379
>t. guy who didn't read image

>>22579346
>Christianity is a religion of the Truth.
About a dozen posts ago you were lying about the Allfather because a Jew told you to hate yourself.

>>22570447
golem get ye gone

>>22573318
fauci ouchie

>>22571171
>You think all those Christian warriors and kings just actually didn't know anything about Christianity
Yes.

>>22579678
who'd take stock in, let alone read, jewish fairy tales whose moral message is to roll on your back and open your legs

>>22579346
By what process did you determine God was the good one and Satan the evil one?

>>22577720
>Celsus...AD 175–177
christkike pilpul is unreal

>>22570654
this guy gets it

always makes me lol at how christcucks seethe over the line 'God is dead, and we killed him', not realizing that is the very foundation of their own mythology

>>22581709
That's not what Nietzsche meant by that at all. He was saying that Christianity contained an element which ended up killing it, a self contradiction inherent in it. The early Christians actually believed but by Nietzsche's time they didn't

>>22580656
t. guy who still didn't read image

>>22570459
on point fren

>>22581715

Believed? No, they had no fucking clue.

Jesus, if he was good and he was true, was a man who wanted to share love and kindness and peace with the world. He never meant to actually sow discord and have sons and fathers arm themselves with swords and kill each other. Even I know what a metaphor.

He spoke in parables and metaphors, and if he was not a mere cult leader, but actually a wise man, then it is clear what is meant by him being friends with Mary Magdalene, the infirm, the hated, and the lost. I wrote a post earlier on here, about how a modern day take would be that Mary Magdalene should even be a transgender girl, for just the most obvious reason. If a man in modern time with a name that was not Jesus, but a soul that was, walked with a lady like THAT.... I think I know what you'd do.

Yes, Jesus ought to have a friend, and she ought to be a transgender girl. Now go ahead. Do it.


Do it. I fucking DARE you. Hahahah DO IT!! DO IT!!!

Have THAT emotion!!!! DO IT! Hahahaha oh you WILL. SOMEONE WILL, and that person will be none other than a Christian or something like it. Go ahead.

HATE HER.

HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE!!!!
HATE THE TRANSGENDER WHORE WHO IS JESUS' FRIEND! HATE HER!!!!!!

Spit on her, curse her, tell her she is FALSE. Tell her she is SINFUL! EVIL! WICKED! A MAN!
HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HER!

CRUCIFY HER.

CRUCIFY KILL HATE HATE HATE HER!
And of course, I say all this as an absolute materialist atheist.

Jesus and I? We'd be friends. I betcha if the myth is true though, you get about ten seconds in heaven to quickly repent, just in case you were an atheist. Wouldn't be fair otherwise. Just ten seconds for any wicked man who didn't understand truth to quickly get upon their knees and apologize for every sin, every harm, every hurt, every hate, they ever committed. And sure sure, accept that the myth is true and all that. Just ten seconds is fair enough, ain't it? I sure would. If I saw Jesus, I know I'd see him as nothing but an old friend from my childhood, from when I once believed.

But there's no hatred from me here. I'll simply apologize and flash him a meek smile.

Only the truth is true though, so I will remain an absolute materialist as long as I exist only here on Earth, unless proven clearly otherwise.

>>22581176
Burning in hell. Do not be deceived.

>>22579864
That was a long time ago.

>>22582619

Burning.... suffering? Revenge? Sadism? Hate?
Then my question is horrifically answered.

>>22570459
Had a very similar experience to you but probably worth more mistakes.

>>22577720
>the term maleficus can mean magical
No, maleficu- simply means evil, you disgusting pig skinned, copper haired, guttural speaking barbarian

>>22582573
take a breath it's just fiction m8 don't take it so seriously

>>22582749

Oh my gosh, I'm just a writer.

I'm smiling the entire time I write on here.
Unlike real shouting, using all caps is as simple as just using my little pinky finger to hold down shift. No worries.

>>22582573
Tryhard

>>22571171
>someone kicks you in the balls and calls you a bitch
Ur response as a Christian? How do you fight back 'smartly'?

>>22582916

Twist my balls around and offer them the other side. Just as Jesus sayeth.

>>22579864
That was a long time ago.

>>22583839
That was a long time ago.

>>22579864
That was a long time ago.

Nietzsche didn’t write philosophy. He wrote bad poetry, and a lot of it was nothing more than projection and fantasy.

I mean the guy does actually praise Jesus as one of the greater people, he also praises Saints and the such who devoted themselves to the religion as Ubermensch aswell, so yeah? The only thing is stuff like Socrates died better than Jesus as a hot take.

(Thus Spoke Zarathustra, one of the people invited to his cave was the Saint who just hung out in the woods.)

>>22584932
Nietzsche sees Jesus as an interesting anomaly, someone who rejects life so totally for the "beyond world". Nietzsche doesn't say anything good about "saints", certainly not christian ones, Saints in TSZ I don't remember.

>>22570447
Listen, I didn't "get" the whole, "christianity is anti-life" thing until pretty recently. It's not really so much about it forbidding vices as it is about the Christian concept of heaven and how to get there. For example, one of the gravest sins in Christianity is apostatizing. You should not apostatize under the threat of death because then you will be damned but if they kill you, you will be a martyr and go straight to Jesus' side.
The Japs realized this and ended up not killing the missionaries but forcing them to apostatize instead. If apostatizing means saving lives, then you should not apostatize. In fact, you would actually be doing the victims a favor because they will be sent straight to god.

Ok, so imagine you are at church and suddenly it catches fire. You run out but the others are stuck inside, burning. You cannot open the door because the dumb architect made them open inward and everyone is pushing up against the door. Should you even try to help them? By letting them die, they will enjoy eternal bliss in paradise. Shouldn't you feel happy for them?
Now, this sounds repulsive, even to christians, but logically it is true. By letting them die, you will be easing their suffering.

Also, to go back to the apostatizing hypothetical, has it never occurred to christians just how completely and utterly selfless those apostatized priests had to be in order to do what they did? If sacrificing yourself for the sake of others is good, then those priests committed the ultimate sacrifice, far greater and more selfless than all of the saints combined. They sacrificed their very SOUL for the sake of others.

>>22582619
God is the one who judges who is sent to hell, correct? Thus, it is by his decree people are sent to hell? Would that not qualify God as the evil one for subjecting people to such a cruel, barbaric, and eternal punishment? How could an eternal punishment ever be proportional to a finite crime? Also, God originally set up humanity to be ignorant of Good and Evil, to be devoid of free will and the capacity to judge right and wrong for themselves. It was only through the influence of Satan that man obtained free will and the ability to judge right and wrong for himself. Thus, if you view free will as a positive thing, and you view eternal punishment as a bad thing, textually, Satan appears much more likely to be "Good" and God much more likely to be "Evil".

>>22582718
tho horrific!

>>22585248
Adam and Eve had free will in the Garden. Heaven is experienced as hell by the sinner. Hell also means death, the wages of sin. Timothy Patitsas explains that after partaking of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, Adam saw Jesus on the cross and then fell. That can be a helpful elaboration if you understand that it is supplementary to the words of the Church Fathers and the Bible and is ultimately an expression of the Word of God.

Read this paragraph from Wikipedia. It is not very long.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell_in_Christianity#:~:text=Eastern%20Orthodox%20views

Remember that Satan has been named the Deceiver. And remember (anamnesis, unforget) your death.

>>22585248
Positivity and negativity are neutral terms.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cataphatic_theology
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophatic_theology

Not sure what’s happening here but I just want to say reality is extremely frustrating and I hope whatever owns this existence has some type of mercy on us, if that’s even possible. o.o

>>22585248
https://youtu.be/_ko5ihnEJis?t=1844

>>22577665
why do you trust niggers.

This thread is a massive cope.

>>22587195
>Free will
>But doesn't have knowledge of Good and Evil
Again, this is always the trouble with theists. They run into an irreconcilable problem, and they just ignore it. How can you have "Free Will" and the attendant responsibility for your actions if you lack the moral capacity to understand Good and Evil? You can't. If you put your small child in a garden and said "don't eat fruit from that tree", and then they go and eat it and die because they are just a small child, YOU would be responsible for the wrongful death of the child. This is very basic to the concept of responsibility and who is at fault. As it is presented in Genesis, Adam and Eve are not morally culpable for disobeying God, for they did not have the moral capacity to understand Good and Evil at the time they made the decision. Sorry, the very first book of the Bible is already a dumpster fire and no amount of apologetics can fix it.

>>22587391
"Neutral" is a word that exists to denote being between different sides. "Positive" and "Negative" are words that exist to denote being explicitly on a particular side. You should spend some time learning what words mean.

>>22585225
It's actually very straight forward. Most Christians believe this world is a fallen world, a veil of tears, a trial meant to test one's faith before the real purpose of existence can be obtained through death (the death of Jesus to was away sins and then YOUR death so you can reach heaven).

Christianity is a death cult that centers on human sacrifice and at every turn is downplays the importance of life in favor of death ("Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven"). Jesus Christ's message is to forsake life, forsake this world, and to embrace death. This is the central, unambiguous message of Christ.

>>22585225
It's actually very straight forward. Most Christians believe this world is a fallen world, a veil of tears, a trial meant to test one's faith before the real purpose of existence can be obtained through death (the death of Jesus to wash away sins and then YOUR death so you can reach heaven).

Christianity is a death cult that centers on human sacrifice and at every turn is downplays the importance of life in favor of death ("Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven"). Jesus Christ's message is to forsake life, forsake this world, and to embrace death. This is the central, unambiguous message of Christ.

>>22588886
not at all
it's about loving God and loving your neighbor as yourself
are you even Christian?

Imagine how many millions of man-hours White people have wasted contemplating and debating Jewish scripture
lmao.

>>22589382
He says, as he proves with his post that whites live rent-free in his brown brain.

>>22570447

>>22578465
>if I can't climb a latter into the 7th Heaven to negotiate with God nobody can. Help me science!!!
Your lack of faith is pathetic. Even two bit magicians can levitate and pass through solid objects without difficulty. The Inuit shamans used to travel to the moon as a regular occurrence. Don't let yourself be held back by cheap scientism anon, your entire conception of the moon and stars was cooked up by Kissinger and filmed in a Hollywood studio by Stanely Kubrick.

>>22589484
Is GPT useful for anything besides trolling and doing zommie homeworks?

>>22588886
Christianity, or any Abrahamic religion, is about as subversive and pessimistic as you can possibly be. Moses, a fugitive wanted for murder, walked into the court of Pharaoh (King of Earth, son of Ra the King of Heaven) and proclaimed to be speaking on behalf of the Lord of the Heavens AND the Earth. Jesus was a carpenter who was put to death for undermining the religion of the Roman's AND the Jews - and he still won in the end. Muhammad was an analphabetic orphan who waged a prolonged war against his own tribe's main source of income and prestige, declared every generation before him to be living in ignorance, and his followers ended up toppling the two largest empires on earth.

I don't think that most people appreciate the sheer contempt that Abrahamic religions have towards life, tradition, and society itself. To its credit, I might add.

>>22589344
Christ also says that you should sell your shirt if needed to buy arms, that he came to bring the sword, and that his followers should forsake ther mothers and their fathers. One of the great prophets of the Bible was willing to murder his favorite son without hesitation simply because God commanded it.

>>22589560
Okay, so you're not Christian and are a gentlesir, you don't know what the fuck you're even talking about
opinion disgarded

Spengler had the best refutation of Nietzsche in DotW. He points out that Nietzsche’s historical Christianity is simply a fake.

>>22589344
It can be about several things, but primarily it's about downplaying the importance of this life on this Earth in deference to the afterlife, in other words, sacrifice your worldly life and possessions and embrace your death.

>>22589564
I'm a Muslim pessimist, descended from a long line of Muslim pessimists. I don't think holding the world in contempt is necessarily a requirement for being a good Jew/Christian/Muslim, but it certainly adds a sense of pathos and clarity to the religion.

>>22589571
Have to disagree. That's a very Neiztschean take on it, but I think that the afterlife is really a minor part of the Christia ethos. Jesus talks about a day of judgement, where every man is weighed by his actions and inactions. The idea of pearly gates and cherubim fluttering around with harps is a decidedly pagan/enlightenment invention. The contempt for life is a very aristocratic ideal, actually, because it places man even above his own flesh and blood. A maryter is someone who, through death, elevates his own life to an uncompromising work of art. Perhaps we should consider the possibility that God loves beauty, and not sniveling cowards who try to wiggle their way out of the one guarantee man has on this earth.

>>22589625
I don't particularly care what you think when it diverges from the facts. Christ said "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." He said “Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.”

These are the direct words of Jesus. They are among his most prominent teachings. If you are a Christian, you MUST accept these things. Apologetics will get you nowhere.

>>22589772
And I didn't even mention his "Consider the lilies" teaching where he explicitly says not to save or invest. Jesus directly says not to "toil" or "spin" but instead live like flowers or wild animals who rely on nature and not their own ingenuity. You can't escape the underlying misanthropy and embrace of preventable death that is rife all through the teachings of Jesus.

>>22589780
>he says to not worry, live
>muslim schizophrenic thinks this means die
log off, man

>>22589782
>Dishonestly changes the message of Jesus when it's inconvenient
Typical

>>22589780
Death by toil is the number one cause of preventable death anon. When Jesus tells you to become a NEET it's because he loves you.

>>22589790
Sorry you're retarded. Read any copy of critical commentary on the verse.

>>22570459
Literally me

>>22589504
skipping the actual legwork of scholarly discourse and observing a mathemtically constructed strawman of arguments you have very little intrinsic interest in, placing them in an Aristotelian duscourse against a shallow opponent.
Its very, very useful.

>>22589831
>"Uhh... Uhhh... don't read the actual words of Jesus, read what some other guy wrote to cope with it"
Are you trying to fit every retarded theist stereotype?

>>22589834
But that's still trolling, admittedly perhaps a somewhat more intellectual way of pretending to be retarded, but that's still what it is.

>>22589864
>takes YUGE bong hit
>books are for retards bro, only I know the truth

>>22589867
>"Okay, okay, I know that's what Jesus ACTUALLY said, but what he MEANT was what I'm about to say"

>>22589884
Nah dude you're right and every other scholar in the history of theology and religious criticism is wrong
obviously you do have a book that states your opinion? or are you an "independent scholar"

>>22589894
Can you not read the text yourself? You need a "scholar" to explain what “Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal" means?

>>22589905
Sir, you are a scholar. With this groundbreaking discovery, (You) should write to Oxford or Britannica to edit the next Critical Bible.

>>22570447
William James btfo Nietzsche

>>22589866

>>22590025
>inventions and trugs
basado

>>22589905
It clearly means salvation through work and we need to genocide every papist scum on this planet.

>>22590025
Ok based, you've got your shitpost history written down.

>>22588843
It has to do with pride and presumption. Some of the Fathers have said that Adam and Eve would have eventually been permitted to have TKoGE after being ready. Remember that these are elaborations intended to provoke insight. Socrates' core dictum of knowing that one does not know is another way with which a helpful understanding may be achieved.

>>22590517
I can understand if you want to try to analyze the story in a while you find productive, but you have to realize that Adam and Eve wouldn't have known that "pride and presumption" were bad since they didn't yet have "TKoGE". "TKoGE" represents the difference between a wild animal killing a person for food and a morally responsible human killing a person when they know it's wrong. The wild animal has no moral accountability, and if it is caught it is killed to remove a threat, not as a punishment. The morally competent person who is caught is punished since they had foreknowledge that their action was Evil. There is fundamentally no getting around this problem, any action taken by a being or agent that doesn't comprehend Good and Evil can't be subject to moral accountability. They lack the prerequisite criteria to be held accountable. If a small infant pushes a valuable vase off a table, is the infant held responsible or is the adult who should be watching the infant held responsible? The morality presented in Genesis is fundamentally incoherent.

In practical terms, your post doesn't represent reality, though.
>t. Not a Nietzchean

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>>22589833
based.