/lit/ - Literature

>>22554559
>If you literally follow this you won't last long in this world. So how tf has the Church lasted 2000 years?
Protected by God.

because it's meant for the plebshits and to keep them herded through moral terror, not for those in charge, certainly not for the barbarian aristocracy that the church had to slowly bend to her services to further spread the christian slave system

>>22554568
If I gathered an army and completely razed the Holy See would God strike me dead?

Leviticus 24:20 is Old Testament not New Testament so it's closer to 3000 years old.

"You should always clean your hands after you use the toilet" goes out the window if you're pissing and the fire alarm goes off.
That doesn't invalidate it as a good habit.

>>22554584
cleaning your hands and letting yourself get beat up are not the same

>>22554571
S..shut up

>>22554582
>Leo was a Roman aristocrat, and was the first pope to have been called "the Great". He is perhaps best known for having met Attila the Hun in 452 and persuaded him to turn back from his invasion of Italy.
Not totally right in specifics but yeah the most powerful empire in the world, with no human rights, couldn't kill a religion adhered to by mostly poor illiterates and neither could the USSR. The early Church destroyed the pagan idols, devil worship, and otherwise via miracles, pray, charity, wit, and martyrdom. Christianity is a historical absurdity at worst and a miracle most accurately.

>>22554559
It lasted because it worked in ethnostates and small communities where your boss didnt exploit your labor and your neighbor didnt want to kill you for being white.

>>22554674
>ethnostates and small communities where your boss didnt exploit your labor and your neighbor didnt want to kill you
should we tell him or should we let him be a retard?

>>22554677
The latter.
>A reproof entereth more into a wise man than an hundred stripes into a fool.

Are there different tiers of catechism? and which catechism is for the super elite big brain god-philosophers?

>>22554691
Ask a Mormon, the answer may surprise you

>>22554763
This.

>>22554559

They pioneered a supremely effective viral formula copied by two more successful religions after it

>>22554763
ok any mormons on here right now?

>>22554806
I find it particularly amusing that Saul of Tarsus was able to run essentially the same game on the same group of apostles. Makes sense I suppose but jeez

>>22554806
Hey man, if that group came to power and ended up running the world, I'd like to get in on it. Maybe they know something. I'd even become a Jew if I could, just so I could benefit from the nepotism. No, I'm not jealous of them. Just realistic. More people here could do with being realistic, instead of envious or hateful.

>>22554806
What a reductive picture of religion. People followed Jesus because his teachings resonated with him, not because they lived in fear. Most of the preachings of Jesus which are actually in the gospels are moral parables. Although he speaks of his own authority, sermons are traditionally conducted with the purpose of leading followers to see the validity of the Christian ethical system. The actions of the early church immediately contradict this idea of “following a cult leader” when you read about how Paul explicitly talks about how the gospel applies to both Jews and Gentiles, meaning one does not have to uproot themselves with circumcision or other ascetic or highly disruptive practices in order to follow the teachings of Jesus. The whole point of the missionary journeys to Rome, Thessalonica, Ephesus, etc. were meant to bring the teachings to the people, not the other way around. Not to mention people followed Jesus around not because he simply forced him to, but of their own volition, so much so that it even became a problem for him because all the attention attracted the Roman authorities in Judaea.

>>22554806
>>22554818
but what if they really did have super powers and weren't just duping smoothbrains? now what?

>>22554826
Bros why do we fight them? Why not just join them? A lot of hot Jewesses. Strong community. Tighter than Freemasons. Fun family holidays. Bar Mitvah afterparties. Qaba-- er, ummm Torah is intellectually satisfying to the intellect. All just for a little snip snip? I don't see the downside.

>>22554846
Well then I guess I’ll spend eternity in a lake of fire or some such for having the audacity to ask questions. Reminder: Thomas, a guy apparently witness to the ministry and miracles reputedly had to stick his hand in the wound to believe in the resurrection. What hope do any of us have?

>>22554843
>Not to mention people followed Jesus around not because he simply forced him to, but of their own volition,
how do we know he didn't hypnotize or mesmerize them?

>>22554874
He promised them eternal life and an end to suffering. That’s a pretty compelling offer

>>22554593
based jole

>>22554885
but really, if someone walked up to you today and offered you this would you just believe them?

>>22554890
Depends on how desperate/despairing I am and how convincing/charismatic they are. New cults spring up all the time

>>22554894
>Depends on how desperate/despairing I am and how convincing/charismatic they are
what a coincidence. these are just the perfect conditions to induce hypnotic states.

>>22554843
>Not to mention people followed Jesus around not because he simply forced him to, but of their own volition
People also followed Jim Jones of their own volition. Twentieth century alone has plenty of well-documented examples of charismatic cult leaders that amassed a devoted following.

>>22554559
it's the most direct spiritual path. you have no proof of its not working because none dare do it.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/naL7urXXZLfl/

>>22554647
1. Rome absolutely had a concept of human rights and persecuted Christians only reluctantly, locally, and inconsistently. In Pliny's correspondence with Trajan about this, he emphasizes his reluctance to execute anyone and that he gives them multiple chance to symbolically recant and return to their lives.
2. Christianity was favored by educated urban elites. The word pagan literally means "rural".

>>22554817
Yes, that dude is pulling your leg. Mormonism is a giant game of smoke and mirrors disguising a crypto-Gnostic Freemasonry knockoff, which itself disguises a corporate investment scheme. Anyone who thinks there's actual substance to its theology or doctrine is getting fleeced and will soon either find the truth and leave or doublethink their way out of it.
There's a lot of secrets and fucked up shit in Mormonism but nothing mystical or supernatural or divine.
t. family was in Mormonism since 1860

>>22555364
>the most direct spiritual path.
is basically being a bitch? being a martyr?

>>22555453
>t. family was in Mormonism since 1860
nice try mormons

>>22554806
>two more successful religions after it
Islam and ... ?

>>22555501

Mormonism

>>22554843

>What a reductive picture of religion.

Indeed, they do much to disguise the essential formula at their core. I meant only to illuminate the functional parts which entice conversion and evangelism while deterring apostasy

>>22555517
>illuminate the functional parts which entice conversion and evangelism while deterring apostasy
books for this feel?

>>22554559
if you give a man your shirt and coat are you not naked and exposing yourself to him?
if a man forces you to walk a mile and you walk two, have you not walked him too far?
it may have been lost in translation but what Christ meant was we do a little trolling

>>22555533
books for this feel?

>>22555538

>>22554559
>If you literally follow this you won't last long in this world. So how tf has the Church lasted 2000 years?
Because they didn't follow it. Only one Christian has ever existed- he died on the cross.

>>22555548
Saint Dismas?

>>22555527

https://linktr.. ee/whynotjesus

>>22554584
It’s a quote of Matthew 5:38-42 which cites Leviticus 24:20, and the verse from Leviticus advocates for ‘eye for an eye’ as a form of justice, you semi-literate sophist.

>>22555408
>reluctance to execute anyone
>they could just recant
It is meaningless how the emperor "felt" which assumes a letter is his internal feelings and not political calculus. You do understand that if they were truly reluctant they wouldn't have had any executions right? You use the word reluctant incorrectly but not execution and thus the seeming correctness masking the inner contradiction that beleagers anyone who goes against the Catholic Church.

>>22554559
>If you literally follow this you won't last long in this world.
Yes you will in fact you will last a lot longer than the fellow who is always in fights. You are not wise.

>>22557689
retard life itself is a fight to stay alive. if you do not fight you will not survive.

>>22557700
Thank you for your thoughts child. Quite wrong of course but you are probably aware of that, even in your currently self debased condition.