/lit/ - Literature

>>22537094
He is real, and I love him. However, I know he loves me more.

>>22537094
If God was real it would be our duty to kill him
sic semper tyrannis

>>22537094
No. Only an evil god would create a reality this shitty.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=DR-3TW5EKWg
https://youtube.com/watch?v=AZYWOzRF1yA

>>22537103
you guys already did, 1,993 years ago.
death couldn't contain Him
it took a bite out of Him and died

cope, seethe

>>22537094
It would be easier for me to live with at least conviction that a God exists, even if he was pure psychopath who wanted me to follow his rules without questioning

If he's just like the Bible says, no. Masturbation, homosexuality and premarital sex are sins and we will burn in Hell if we commit them even though he is the one who designed us with flaws but he - who is omnipotent - allows children to get cancer, natural catastrophes and famines.
No, thanks, I don't want to worship somebody like this.

>>22537119
that is ghastly religious art

>>22537146
You're being this bold because you don't believe it for a sec. Otherwise, you would be trembling before Him.

>>22537094
no
creating eternal hell is more cruel than anything morals have ever done

>>22537182
stop capitalizing pronouns, xim/xer cuck

>>22537094
who else would there be to love

>>22537182
I was actually pretty Christian. Then I developed a sexual drive with and felt bad after each jerking session. I started to think what's so bad about it and it didn't make any sense to me. I also don't know what's bad about fucking before "marriage". The Christian dogma doesn't seem to conform to my views.
I also don't want to worship a sissy who likes being slapped so badly that he'd rather show his left cheek if his enemy slapped his right cheek instead of resisting...

>>22537197
true

>>22537094
Yes assuming he’s omnibenevolent. I don’t think he’s real though. It feels weird being an atheist but having no animosity to the Christian god

>>22537094
God is real and we are returning our ticket

>>22537194
>>22537208
>miserable humans thinking they are bold against literal GOD

>>22537094
Nope, cunt. I have to beg to have a drip of the riches of the kingdom of heaven? How about suck my dick instead.

>>22537218
follow up question:
would you love Him unconditionally?
(ie, would your love for Him be conditional on you being convinced of His existence first)

>>22537397
I already said that me loving Him was conditional on him being omnibenevolent and I’d say that loving Him beyond an abstract fondness for the concept of the Christian god would require a belief that He exists. I feel like you’re working towards a particular apologetic argument but the crux of it is justifying the belief that He exists and has properties that make Him worthy of love

>>22537429
God deserves unconditional love
not conditional on Him following your idiosyncratic morality, or your opinions about His existence/nonexistence.

in other words: if you are talking about someone who doesn't deserve unconditional love as described above, then you aren't talking about God.
you're talking about a projection of yourself, rather than Someone of Whom you are the projection of.

>>22537449
>deserves
kek
The entitlement.

>>22537094
I became Buddhist because it makes sense. When it comes to religious matters, people into identity politics and/or over attachment to family tend to have very obscured visions. The only reason people remain Christcucks and Mudslimes is because their parents and social culture follows that filth. If it weren't for social conditioning, they would admit it's complete and utter trash. No one would care about St. Augustine or Suhrawardi's pseud bullshit if it weren't for Christianity or Pisslam being widespread religions.

I approach these theological/metaphysical questions with honesty. Saying all of life can be reduced to a stupid disgusting filthy J*w's narcissism or Bedouin's final revelation is ridiculous. Every single Christcuck and Mudslime I've ever encountered has been on a lower plane of consciousness, I can't even see them as sentient beings, and wouldn't care one bit if they were tortured and gurgling blood right in front of me. It's as if these morons don't exist. When I talk to these people, I can sense something entirely unnatural and invasive on Earth.

If something like these trash traditions were true, which would be utterly ridiculous, I would make a pact with Satan or a demon and come back slaughtering you all. Granted, it would make absolutely no sense for your retarded Jew to be the center of all reality.

Not everyone is an oversocialized prick who approaches complex questions in a theory laden way rooted in heavy cultural conditioning. I approach these questions based on placing the (transformations of) my own experience at the center, including any hidden aspects. Your religions are utter trash without a single redeeming quality when taken in the full context. Slit your fucking throats, you stupid fucking Abrahamic lunatics.

>>22537449
You’re getting caught up in a weird language game. We we were (or at least I) talking about a hypothetical god whose properties could be whatever for the purpose of explaining whether or not I’d love him and not your specific conception of God with all the properties you currently prescribe to him. Of these hypothetical gods there are some worthy of love and some not and love in that sense is always conditional in that you ought to love the things worthy of love and ought not to love the things that aren’t

>>22537501
Ascribe to him*

>>22537094
why would you put a big ass crucifix on top of a bible

>>22537208
>I don't want to be a Christian because I want to masturbate all day without feeling bad
Why is this always what it comes down to?

>>22537501
I am talking about God, not about 'hypothetical god' or 'my conception of God'
stop trying to distance yourself from talking about Him
get over your discomfort and talk about God directly

God deserves unconditional love.
He deserves love not conditional on anything, not on Him following your moral idiosyncrasies, not on your opinions about His existence/nonexistence.

if you are talking about someone who needs to earn your love, then you aren't talking about God, you are merely talking about an idea you have in your head.

>>22537518
If God wasn’t God would he deserve love?

>>22537511
(not that anon)
If you trad onions boy chad wannabes would just embrace homosexuality like the grass frolicking leftover boys of old, you would release all the competitive pressure created by female sexuality.

Why do you think girls try and humiliate men into heterosexuality? They don't want to compete with pretty boys, they will get their asses handed to them.

Homosexuality will solve the feminism problem if you stop letting your Inner Bitchy Woman rule your genitals.

>>22537094
I believe in God but it grows more difficult each day with how much I hate my life and want to end it.

>>22537528
>in theory
Utopia Pax Romana
By bros and I march our phallanx into Judea chanting Odyssean hymns!
>in practice
Facebook
Amazon
Google
Microsoft
Alphabet
Netflix

Hello can i have a 65 year old allowance pls sir pls I like customer service yes
>big fat claw nails clack away at the keyboard deleting your post

>>22537524
yes!
you literally haven't even read the Bible have you? that is literally what happened!
I love Jesus unconditionally. He deserves it even after He fully made Himself into a man.

-----
Phillipians 2:5-11

5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!

9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

>>22537548
run away or move to a new city, get on a train

the longer you sit with that mindset the sooner you off yourself. time is ticking, you have to move

I love my Goddess
She is real as She is into everything, pouring Chaos in the world. I see Her both in order and disorder

>>22537557
I'm working on this. The current economy makes it difficult. Part of me feels guilty about leaving my parents but at this point it's either move of self checkout in a few years.

>>22537556
Look, I’m trying to guide you into understanding my objections to believing in God but I don’t feel like you’re getting it, mostly because being smug on 4chan is more emotionally gratifying than doing what by your logic would be good here, understanding where I’m coming from and then using that to convince me to believe in God. Take a step back, think about this, I’m talking to you here in good faith and you don’t have to treat this as a debate. Please don’t sperg out, God wouldn’t want that (if he was real)

>>22537112
>youtube content

I am tired of the testing, I feel like it's the love of a strict parent who wants what's best for me but makes things difficult.

do you prefer the idea of God that atheists are believing in or the idea of God that Christians are believing in?

>>22537596
You should just recognize that they’re often talking about distinct things instead of insisting trying to understand what people are saying about God or god through your own inflexible idiolect

>>22537499
Your statements do not sound so Buddhist!

>>22537208
>The Christian dogma doesn't seem to conform to my views.
>i'm doing wrong thing and abandoned Christianity because it is against wrong thing
the absolute irony.

>>22537607
i believe in who God says He is in His word. i love the idea of God found in Christ that's why i believe in Jesus and not in other religion like atheism (i don't like atheism's idea of God).

>>22537094
I would probably understand, but I wouldn't love him. I would ask to never experience life again.

>>22537717
Guess who keeps living until they love me
t. God

>>22537094
He is the ground of all being, He sustains the universe, and we are all completely reliant on Him for everything whether you can admit it or not. Nothing is even possible without His will, no action can be undertaken without His grace. We are commanded to love Him and love one another and He loves us.

>>22537182
>Otherwise, you would be trembling before Him.
If your god only commands respect through fear and sadness, he doesn't deserve respect.

the bible says that we see God as we are so if we're proud then we will believe in a idea of God who is proud and likewise with us being humble etc.

maybe christians are humble that's why they see God as humble and that's also why they love Him so much. true or false?

Ps 18:25 With the merciful thou wilt shew thyself merciful; with an upright man thou wilt shew thyself upright;
Ps 18:26 With the pure thou wilt shew thyself pure; and with the froward thou wilt shew thyself froward.
Ps 18:27 For thou wilt save the afflicted people; but wilt bring down high looks.

Make yourself as wise as a serpent OP. The thing keeping you from effectively evangelizing is that you don’t understand your interlocutors nor do you understand how most effectively to convey your message to them and the thing keeping you from this is your own feelings about the issue. Do not believe things because they feel good to believe, and do not shy away from understanding painful truths. Intelligence and understanding are tools with which you can better serve God and therefore you have an obligation to cultivate and make use of them

>>22537094
>dude I created all so you can suffer, you don’t get to choose where you’re born and most of the circumstances because that’s how it works
>you kinda have free will tho lol
God clearly isn’t real but I would hate it anyway if it was. But if god really we’re real things wouldn’t be the way they are.

>>22537499
Said Abrahamic Lunatics are bunkmates so I approach them with peace and kidgloves great distance.
Nuclear Gandhi is not real he cannot hurt you...
(Pay no mind to the Mahabharabta)

>>22537774
only those who are led by the Spirit can properly evangelize. go through the process of sanctification by obeying the teaching of Christ or the doctrine of self-denial so we can be filled with the Holy Spirit then they Holy Spirit will lead us to do the works of God.

all God wants His workers to do is for them to be sanctified and to stay sanctified. water into wine. we can't be full of God when we're full of ourselves.

>>22537789
Could you explain what my post meant just to prove you understood it? I don’t mean to be rude but it really seems like you’re not engaging with anyone in this thread

>>22537528
Jesse what the fuck are you talking about?

>>22537806
He's all about
Cat holic cat boys and chill

>>22537800
i was just correcting your incorrect idea about how God works through us. it's Him through His grace that saves people and bring them to Himself, not us. we the people are just His vessels. if we want to do the works of God or be led to do them then we need to be led by Him because if we're not then the religious works that we will do will not build up His kingdom but our own kingdom.

these are the basic instructions of the Church fathers.

Eph 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
Eph 5:19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
Eph 5:20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Eph 5:21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

>>22537823
He’s certainly not working through your right now then since otherwise he’d enable you to understand my post

>>22537839
i think it's just we have a different idea of God. what's your idea of God?

2Cor 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

>>22537806
My guess is 5-10% of men are exclusively homosexual, and anther 20 or 30 percent are sometimes homosexual. This is biological in origin.

The amount of homosexuality in a cultures ebbs and flows depending on its marriage and mating customs. Polygamy increases homosexuality and monogamy decreases it. That's why the fags became trannies and the soft boys becane fags post-feminism.

Male sexuality is an unstoppable force, if the girls won't lay with us we lay with each other. This is absolutely obvious to anyone who had read across cultures and times and who doesn't have a terror of homosexuality in their mind blocking the obvious.

The solution to feminism is given to us by nature: homosexuality.

When all the nice boys dissapear and the women are lorded over by a cadre of brutes the nice boys become sexually attractive again. Then things get too nice and the girls start wanting the hard and fast. And the cycle repeats.

Human culture and language are prehistoric, perhaps 40,000 years old. During that time culture began interacting with natural selection.

An ebb and flow of homosexuality is Nature's way of preventing culture and power from killing off tribes.

>>22537094
irrelevant
>" This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins."- 1 John 4:10

>>22537094
If he is real he created a fundamentally evil world so no I would not love him very much.

>>22537715
i think the beginning of john holds a very profound truth, in john the word was with good in the beginning but in genesis god was alone and goodness came later, which is not true,
>"why do you call me good? only god is good"
goodness and god are one, that's why christ is god because he is good

>>22537877
if we have the faith to believe in God's love for us then we will love Him with His own love for us.

no faith = no love for God

>>22537844
I’m just going to try to explain my point one last time and then leave. You ought to cultivate reason and emotional self discipline so that you may more effectively do good and work His will. You believe that He will simply endow you with these qualities and that may be the case in that any impulse in yourself to cultivate these qualities is His work but you cannot abdicate your responsibility to do as best you can however short that may fall of Him. I say this because your posts indicate a denseness and stupidity that are bad for you and for your ability to work God’s will and I hope in vain that I can get through to you and convince you to improve yourself if not for your well being than out of love for God

>>22537895
The Father is the idea
The Son is the image of the idea
The Spirit is the Helper who will help us conform to the image of the idea

3 different Persons but one in essence, authority, goal and in idea.

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

>>22537905
nice talking to you. God bless!

>>22537912
God bless

>>22537182
I believe in God but I am smart enough to know God is the opposite of Object, so he can't be a character from a jewish book, but rather the silence and perfection at the center of all things. He is right. If the abrahamic mountain demon was God, that God would be an evil God

>>22537612
that's not up to an infidel to decide, shut up counter-initiationist rabble, you belong sucking the Jew usurious cock

>>22537908
this is literal gobbledygook. It has nothing substantial to say about the nature of reality and it also makes no sense. God is not an "idea", that is preposterous, God cannot be an Object or have any Objective value since that would mean Subject would precede it and it would not be God. There is Object in God's mind, but that is not God's Being, it is just his infinite creativity.

>>22537982
>counter-initiationist
Read more Suttas and less Evola

>>22538004
I am not a buddhist, but neither are you so shut the fuck up, you are a Jew slave that thinks God is some dude wearing a dress probably a wog as well, with a long beard, it is just so fucking tiresome.
>NOOOOOO BUT I AM OF THIS ONE INSIGNIFICANT CHURCH THAT I LARP AS EVEN THOUGH IT HAS NO HISTORICAL CONNECTION TO MY FOLK AND THIS ONE CHURCH SAYS THAT MY GOD IS NOT AN OLD MAN WITH A BEARD
Question, is He still a person? Because if he is an invisible PERSON, a visible PERSON, a magical PERSON, a perfectly physical bodily Jupiter type (i.e a PERSON) then God to you is essentially an old man in a dress, it makes no difference how much gobbledygook you spout (which you don't believe in anyways) to justify how this type of person is not the same as all the things the word Person describes. A person is an Object, wether or not it is physical, it is a thing and God cannot be a thing otherwise He wouldn't be God because he'd be a thing being perceived. You cannot perceive God. You cannot hear God, you cannot see God, you cannot "think" God, you cannot find God anywhere in all that which you perceive.

>>22538073
God is male because gender is metaphysically sound with the physical. The Lord spoke the LOGOS into being. Mathematics is the law of being as mankind in his language can aprehend it. Money changers are quasi lawyers of sorts who can see the souls of men. Consciousness is material. Material itself is informatic energy densely packaged into being by consciousness through the mind of God. Males are philosophers because of their physiological logocentric organism is designed such and that of females is not. The female is not the designer articulating logos but the incarnating creation vassal and vessel. That is why a nation is called her and a boat is called her.
When man makes these meanings in metaphysical gender beyond mere grammar there are class attributes shared in some higher formulaic sense derived from pure form.
Christianity is NeoPlatonism for Gentiles post take over of Jewish males. What Aristotle said about a man who is politically is as good as God was attributed to Caesar. We innately believe in a philosopher king but we do not have these role model men in high supply. We have the philosophized dream of such men in high supply and Christendom gives us that faith in that dream made the law of the Kingdom of God. I take Christ as seriously as I do Bach and Homer but not my surgeon and not my soldier. Realizing this leftover remnant of Western Culture leaves you with Nietzschean dissolution. I am weary from my overman sigma male grindset and just want an old man to hug me with his money for my woman to live in leisure.

>>22538165
T. Man who napped in a Wagner Opera during Pilgrims Chorus

>>22537912
>>22537920
quit giving each other handies in the confession booth ye faggots

>>22537146
>God is evil because my tummy hurts

God is real, God is love.

And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

1 John 4:16

>>22538229
You speak like a man who has not been brought to his knees yet. Wise young people look ahead at life's shape. Foolish young people do their best not to think of death.

The ones who experience immense loss and the ones who use their wisdom to look ahead to not chide human pain. It is limitless.

>>22537397
>unconditionally
This is something people say regularly, but how fathom? Like it or not there are always conditions

>>22537397
God doesn't need to 'exist' (like we do in order to run our mouths); *He's* *God*.
I love that His whim may be interpreted as Justice because it gives absolutely anyone a fighting chance..
No one *wants* 'justice' btw; what folks tend to require is either complete advantage or vengeance. The 'administration of justice' in the United States of America, for instance, is an absolute forking joke.
Yeah, I love God

>>22538236
https://youtu.be/By02jV4B6VQ?si=-33ileCRYMG8qF2l
Yes

>>22538165
>literal gibberish
>it's not reeeally true but don't you think we should feel like embraced and cozy :D
>also Christ is literally truth incarnate
>more literal gibberish
alas the proof that religion is metaphysics for people who are not serious. I didn't say shit about Nietzsche either, stop projecting your deranged late-faustian existence unto others.

>>22538236
>You speak like a man who has not been brought to his knees yet.
I never thought someone could say I don’t understand God because I haven’t sucked a dick.

Anyway, read Psalms and Plato.

>>22537094
He is real. God saved us from death and saved us from evil.
I believe in The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit. Amen.

>>22538236
You got BTFO

Would you still love God if he was a worm?

>>22538344
>stop projecting your late faustian experience unto others
Brown hands typed this post on a macbook
It's okay you can be "Christian"

>>22538344
Its just a book back when books cost more than buildings
Youre on /lit/
None of it was real just because the expensive book said so in fairy tales it is still a fairy tale but the fairy tale was written around wisdom

>>22538841
He's probably not as brown as Jewsus.

>>22537094
He is and i do

>>22537112
funnier than fiction

>>22537146
You complain about natural catastrophe yet i bet you never suffered because of one.
What should i get angry when theres a snow storm and life becomes more difficult because of it,i have much deeper problem than those cause by nature.

>>22537208
>The Christian dogma doesn't seem to conform to my views.
Well duh,you should make yourself conform to Jesus. Nothing else can save you.

>>22538256
There is a woman i love and the only condition was for me to meet her,now that i have done so its over. i love her and i will never stop.

>>22537208
>I started to think what's so bad about it and it didn't make any sense to me.
every fucking time. there's no free lunch.

>>22537208
>I was actually pretty Christian. Then I developed a sexual drive with and felt bad after each jerking session.
Holy shit. It really is true that the only reason why people hate Christianity so much is that they have to put an effort into ending their addiction to masturbation.

>>22538934
Can this damage be revered? Asking for a friend.

>>22538938
I have a wallet and I hate bankers and boomers that is why I hate Christianity. I actually practice asceticism from my budgeting avarice.

>>22537499
None of this makes sense, because these religions you hate so much were also extremely obscure at one time. If you were born in another era even far in the future where Christianity was almost entirely forgotten, you'd be looking at it with the same eyes you look at Buddhism, or others Gnosticism. Either way, it looks like the Abrahamics were right if this is how pagans think.

>>22538945
Let he who is without sin throw the first Stone but I am with sin and my sin is throwing the first Stone

>>22538915
they're just lost people. pray for them when you see stuff like this.

>>22538942
Neurological damage can pretty much always be reversed given enough time and assuming the individual isn't old

>>22538948
>>22538948
>>22538948
>pray 2 Jesus
>omg ur saved!
>we are one in christ jesus!
>pray 3 buddha
>get fukkd
>youre too deep in samsara to even begin
>there is no me and you there is no you there is no soul even
>we are none whether you like it or not just is and just isn't
>go away I want to reclusively laze around meditating

>>22538961
Not him but thanks for the whitepill. I got really destroyed by life and I don't have half the capability I used to.

>>22538938
Behold the Satanic Bible this is the law and the prophets
Fap what thou wilt unless a feminist says otherwise

>>22538928
If this condition holds, i.e. is 'true,' I feel scared for (you), anon. Aar, good luck

>>22538971
Buddha isn't God. Praying to Buddha is not supposed to save you. Buddhism is a philosophical framework that is supposedly based on spiritual insights; it is meant to describe the world and prescribe a path to enlightenment. The goal is not to just make up a religious system that is easy to navigate. It does not even share the same goal as Christianity. There is no deity to glory.
>Christianity is the heckin better religion based on these artbitrary criteria that is simple and easy to follow, and Buddhism is le wrong because it doesn't presuppose an Abrahamic deity worth glorying

>>22537094
If you believe the religious lies in 2023 you're an absolute retard, there is nothing to be done for you because your brain is fucked and you're have no intelligence. Nobody walked on water or ever did magical tricks like changing water to wine, retards.

>>22537094
If you understand what God is, you'd see how stupid this question is. God isn't a person with feelings, it's not a dog, it's not your ex, it's not your mom. Your feelings couldn't possibly affect it.

>>22537094

No, of course not, what kind of a stupid question is that?

This thread is full of the usual wrongheaded parrotting. The lazy idea that god is automatically good/equated with good (because you already believe in him), the refusal to entertain, even in principle, any possibility other than the one of many you've chosen to accept. The unwarranted capitalization of nouns and pronouns referring to a deity. False claims of knowledge. Etc, etc.

>>22537129

This is exactly the defect with the human condition. The fundamental defect of the human being is that he needs a god as a cope. Our proper task is to overcome this cope.

>>22537094
> if God was real
Counterfactual, I don’t have to answer this

>>22538841
>NOOOOOO YOU ARE NOT WHITE
At this point do Faustians have anything going for them aside from this? Liberal Westerners do the same btw, when under anonymity, they think about their white pedigree at all times and all their negro worship is just them using the negro as an object to punish their fellow faustians. They can't help themselves I mean fuck even "christian" Westerners, who supposedly find racism abominable will pull this one out of their sleeve if they are put against the wall.

>>22539355
just to make sure i was clear its not that i talked to her and then had to meet her to love her,its more that when i met her and got to know her i fell in love pretty quickly and that was it.
now i will love her as long as i breath.

>>22537094
1. God has never made his presence known nor does he speak to me

2. I love people who do not speak to me or make their presence known

3. Therefore, I love God for not intervening in human affairs