/lit/ - Literature

>>22530919
Why you think hes overrated?

>>22530919
let's see OP's folio

>>22531008
OP is nonwhite

>>22531008
I just don't think he's the GOAT. For some reason the world is afraid to say Shakespeare was good. No, he must be deified. We must call his subpar plays masterpieces because the bard makes no mistakes.

I doubt he himself ever thought he was better than the ancients or his contemporaries. And if he had the foresight, he would probably put others that came after him above him.

>>22531157
You’re not a Westerner, are you?

Tolstoy

What meter are your poems?

https://youtu.be/hhMnHRYxmwo?si=oX_ClitwLh9CbVe8

>>22530919
It’s hard to say if he is overrated or not because he has kinda transcended the whole rating thing. There is a whole industry built off of him, and his influence and legacy are too huge. If you think he doesn’t deserve that industry and legacy, that’s one thing, but the fact that it is there speaks volumes. So many great writers and critics have loved him so I’m more inclined to their opinion than some 20 year old on 4chinz. You really have to read his plays multiple times to really see the beauty, genius, and intricacy around them. There are many writers that speak to me more, or that I hold closer to my heart, but Brother Bill’s greatness can’t be ignored

>>22531171
I am.

For me, it's the characters. He has 2-3 characters in every play that would be most authors best and most memorable. They're all so varied too.

>>22531008

It's beacuse he never came up with an original story. Every single play he wrote was based on existing mythology, history or other stories he ripped off from elsewhere even Romeo and Juliet.

>>22531682

He would never even have gotten an Oscar for Best Screenplay category, it woudl have had to be Best Adapted Screenplay category which is pretty sad when you are supposed to be the shit.

>>22531682
So like every Greek playwright? And Homer? And Milton?

>>22530919
He wasn't the real writer of the plays.
Sir Henry Neville was an incredible playwright.

>>22530919
there are many because he is not overrated, only them woke leftists say so and personally i think we should stick with the traditional canon and add scripture as well. Aman and god bless.

>>22531682
You are so fucking retarded it is physically painful.

>>22531705

>>22531682
Your take physically hurts anyone who has a decent understanding of any art form. Congrats

>>22531763
adding motion is not the contradiction, or it is. no one cares to look beyond the curtain and people will continue to land on the moon.

>>22530919
>The king rewards this daughter, also, and then asks his youngest, the favorite, in whom, according to his expression, are "interess'd the vines of France and the milk of Burgundy," that is, whose hand is being claimed by the King of France and the Duke of Burgundy,--he asks Cordelia how she loves him. Cordelia, who personifies all the virtues, as the eldest two all the vices, says, quite out of place, as if on purpose to irritate her father, that altho she loves and honors him, and is grateful to him, yet if she marries, all her love will not belong to her father, but she will also love her husband.
>Hearing these words, the King loses his temper, and curses this favorite daughter with the most dreadful and strange maledictions, saying, for instance, that he will henceforth love his daughter as little as he loves the man who devours his own children.

>"The barbarous Scythian,
>Or he that makes his generation messes
>To gorge his appetite, shall to my bosom
>Be as well neighbour'd, pitied, and relieved.
>As thou, my sometime daughter."

>The courtier, Kent, defends Cordelia, and desiring to appease the King, rebukes him for his injustice, and says reasonable things about the evil of flattery. Lear, unmoved by Kent, banishes him under pain of death, and calling to him Cordelia's two suitors, the Duke of Burgundy and the King of France, proposes to them in turn to take Cordelia without dowry. The Duke of Burgundy frankly says that without dowry he will not take Cordelia, but the King of France takes her without dowry and leads her away. After this, the elder sisters, there and then entering into conversation, prepare to injure their father who had endowed them. Thus ends the first scene.
>Not to mention the pompous, characterless language of King Lear, the same in which all Shakespeare's Kings speak, the reader, or spectator, can not conceive that a King, however old and stupid he may be, could believe the words of the vicious daughters, with whom he had passed his whole life, and not believe his favorite daughter, but curse and banish her; and therefore the spectator, or reader, can not share the feelings of the persons participating in this unnatural scene.

>>22530919
>Its Preface was a prescient poem by Ben Jonson, a former rival of Shakespeare, that hailed Shakespeare with the now famous epithet: "not of an age, but for all time"
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shakespeare

>>22532996
And?

>>22533000
>>22531157

>>22530919
Calling Shakespeare overrated is one of the surest means of exposing yourself as a midwit. You demonstrably know nothing about poetry, drama, cultural history or literary beauty in general. Above all it is the result of a lack of vision, you must not understand much about nature at all; because Shakespeare IS nature, he is the most direct and truthful portrayal of nature in all art, so you and truth must not get along very well. Occasional side glances and awkward looking away are the full commerce between you two. In fact, you must have no feeling for vitality, for in this Shakespeare even trumps nature. You are a very eunuch, no red-blooded man.

>>22530919
JD Salinger.
"heckin kids are good, and all adults suck"

>>22531157
>We must call his subpar plays masterpieces because the bard makes no mistakes
This is true in your head. Every director chops and edits Shakespeare because the scripts as written are a bit of a mess. It's the first thing that comes up when you perform any of his plays

>>22533266
>Every director chops and edits Shakespeare because normies are incapable of rising to the exalted standards of performance set by Shakespeare
ftfy

>>22531216
>off of

>>22531257
Hello, Rajeesh (living in Canada)

>>22533286
i wouldn't call it a time machine, reducing myself to this

>>22533286
Wagner never misses.

>>22530919
I believe he is the best. Never read anything better written than his works. Feel free to post examples, but I bet they will all suck when compared to Shakespeare's.

>>22530919
yes