/lit/ - Literature

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What are subs looking like now?

>>22523608
In terms of quality I mean.... compared to last issue

>>22523249
Y'all stick accepting novellas/shorter novels? I remember seeing a thread about something like that, all good if not. I'm about all wrapped up with something I've been working on,

>>22523616
That's the anthology you can find it on the website due by Jan 24

>>22523616
Yeah, we’re still accepting submissions, but that’s under &amp Standard Press, which is an offshoot that’s distinct from the magazine. You can contact us via the submission email with any inquiries about that.

>>22523622
Perfect, thanks!

>>22523614
We’ve gotten some good shit; we just need more content.

>>22523614
Last issue was good, dunno why it caused so much seething

>>22523816
It just lacked identity

>>22523868
Meaning?

>>22523876
The stories did not all come together in a unique way and in that way resonate with much of the audience as important elements of a whole.

>>22523249
will you accept furry erotica thinly veiled as urban fantasy

What's the difference between submitting to the magazine and the short story anthology exactly? Can you submit to both?

>>22524367
As in submit the same story to both I should have clarified

Bump

>>22524367
>>22524375
Yeah go ahead. It won’t get printed in both but may find a home in either. The longer form the story is, the more weight it has to carry, and should therefore be good enough to justify being long.
Short form work, especially microfiction, is affordable to produce and enjoy, human energy wise, and it also allows for a broader, more chaotic, final product, which is a benefit to &amp.

>>22523249
Who is editing this one? Also when’s the best of &amp gonna drop?

>>22524061
cringe

>>22523249
I will only submit something if you accept one of frank Gardners short stories. That way I know you're open to accepting all stories and don't discriminate against people with disabilities

ok, I submitted something

andamp? that sounds weird
but pretty cool someone collects and presents all those stories

>>22525953
Ampersandamp

>>22525962
that's still silly, but had forgot that's the english word for the and sign

>>22525953
The name is inspired by “&” which is markup for Unicode ampersand, but we pronounce it as “lamp”

>>22523249
Will you take my schizo imaginary gf novella?

>>22526159
Send it in, we’ll give it a read.

>>22526189
I will make some edits and send it next week.

>>22525962
This is the correct and patrician pronounciation

>>22523249
I've been thinking about submitting for some time now.
I am also a Canadian (Ottawa area) and have written a verse novel about something that happened to me. I used to be employed in a position of responsibility in a major Canadian bank. I got caught with my hands in the cookie jar so to speak and spent some time in prison. While in prison i developed a sexual/romantic relationship with a cellmate despite only ever being heterosexual before.
I was a model prisoner and did all the rehabilitation programs they had to offer and eventually i got early parole. My wife forgave me and we repaired our relationship. I never told her about the relationship i'd had in prison.
several years later my prison lover was released and attempted to contact me and resume our relationship. I refused to have anything to do with him and he later committed suicide.
I started writing verse privately just trying to make sense of everything that had happened but now i think it might be worth publishing.
Can i submit to your publication?

>>22526348
Yes, submit it and then go and larp somewhere else.

>>22526348
insane backstory here, if this is true then i pity your wife. i don’t much pity you because you’re a cheating criminal

>>22526348
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GqVymd3dms&t=93s

>>22526348
Based submit that shit

>>22526368
Yeah it’s obviously a LARP.

>>22526561
Tf?

>>22527247
cuz the extended prison buttsex

>>2252324
I submitted via email and you guys never responded. It ruined my week.

>>22527341
Gay af

what app do you use to view the magazine on the website??

>>22527477
just download it mang

>>22527360
Sad!

>>22523249
>Interested in proofreading, copyediting, or doing graphic design work for the magazine? Send us an email or connect with us on Discord and get involved.
Can I really help with the magazine? I've wanted to ask for a long time but I was nervous you would get people asking all the time. I don't like to be part of an annoying crowd like that.

>>22523249
what are the word count limits for genre fiction?

>>22528692
5000 but they are discouraging longer works.

>>22528738
gay

>>22528692
>genre fiction
Sorry, reddit is that-a-way

>>22528522
Yeah, of course you can! Send us an email about it or connect with us on Discord; we would really appreciate the help!

>>22523693
Then just publish the longer texts . Makes no sense. What's the justification for not? Are you limited in the number of pages you can have?

>>22529931
You can submit all lengths of work, shorter stuff is simply easier to accommodate

>>22529931
longer texts drag on the variety of an issue
also the issues are generally a consistent 96 pages

>>22529931
Sorry fag. Woolston has another 17k word epic that's getting published. Maybe try again next time.

>>22529931
What longer texts?

>>22530834
Was Fremantle even that long?

>>22531563
It was less than 4k words.

>>22530635
this. Bineville’s long ass story in 016 dragged the whole issue down.

>>22531579
But every word was brilliant

>>22531791
Bineville wasn't even in 16

>>22532079
Yes he was, he wrote a story called Hell on Wheels

>>22532086
And everyone hated it! I'm keeping my stories shorter from now on, get to the punches, get to the point faster, less slog, etc. Hopefully makes for better content.

>>22532086
That wasn't even that long compared to No Adonis and the Hyperborea excerpt

&amp is best suited for shortform prose, microfiction, poetry, vignettes, photography, essays, letters, illustrations, memes, and art. Longer form works belong in other, more accommodating venues, where the work may be subject to more responsible editing and overall workshopping.
When &amp started, it was a catch-all for /lit/-generated material, but now that /lit/‘s creative output has expanded beyond being simply amused by the novelty of reading their work in high-gloss, acid-free, FSC-certified, UV-coated 80# text and cover stock in full spectrum CKMY printed by commercial HP Indigos and meticulously handcrafted by dutiful Californians and fastidiously issued by aeroplane around the world, &amp is best served by /lit/‘s trash.
A bottom feeder, if you will.
It takes nothing to write a hundred words. Try it. Unleash them. I’m sure you have leftover poetry fermenting in the icebox of your My Documents folder. Unearth them. And I know you’ve all at some point had to kill your darlings—well—save them! Save your darlings and give them a permanent home at &amp, a dignified resting place for all the slowly settling detritus of this esteemed community of outsider creatives.
Send your longer works too, we can put them in paperback.

>>22532514
Which is to say this,
And I mean this with respect to &amp’s stalwart contributors:
There are those that know the value of &amp, and they contribute material WORTH reading. Those are heroes of /lit/ and beyond.
(You), however, all I need from you are your darlings.

You wanna really Submit to &amp™?
Contribute writing as Anonymous.

>>22532603
based, fuck namefags

I’ll resend “beware my zoodles” tonight.

>>22533240
What?

>>22532123
Yeah but at least those two didn’t suck. No Adonis was good and Mixtape was mid.

>>22533912
Don't forget the Complete Works of God II selection

>>22534007
What about it?

Bump

>>22534007
He's saying it was good and worthy of note amongst the longer works

>>22534729
It was decidedly mid.

>>22532603
Hope we have more anonymous submissions in 019.

>>22534763
yes i feel the same way and do not really think that they have been much better in issues following, I'm hoping for some really good stories in the next issue I'm still hanging out for an impactful release for once

>>22535259
Nah, 017 was kino.

Bump

IT'S UP!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM_b9ybd3jw&t=3032s&ab_channel=Tooky%27sMag

>>22536594
This has nothing to do with amp.

Bump

>>22536594
who asked??

>>22536594
Kino. &amp endorses Took’s and Sidebar.

>>22538609
no &amp is too good for that stupid shit

>>22538726
Lol
>he doesn't listen to Tooky's
NGMI fag

>>22538837
>fag
ironic

>>22538837
Tooky is run by a crowd of fags

>>22539292
They're Twinks and it's an aesthetic

>>22539472
This is information that only a faggot would know.

>>22539472
Twinks are gays who take it up the ass. Not disproving anything

>>22539912
arguably even gayer than the other kinds of gays

This is the most dead &amp thread we’ve had in a while. Almost makes me miss the drama.

>>22541335
No one proposing ideas. Very bleak. I emailed my submission but haven’t heard back.

>>22541335
I feel like these last few issues have done a lot of damage to the general interest in &amp.
I was one of the people suggesting they take a month off between issues. At the time I was of the opinion that the quality was suffering as a result of the quick schedule, but now I'm starting to think it's more the new staff's indifference to the project. It's nice that you guys took my advice, but I was more suggesting that you spend that extra month gathering submissions, not use for it for a bit of R&R. Where were the submission threads throughout September?

>>22542016
I don't think there needs to be an &amp thread up all the time. The main, most lively threads have always been the actual release threads; there have been submission-calling threads, I'm not denying that, but I don't think one can immediately call it slacking on the project if there isn't some hubbub about it at all times: it is precisely the ubiquity of such threads which, I feel, give that gay effect of anons (truly or falsely) claiming to be part, cliquishly, of something like &amp or against it, all that drama stuff, which might fatigue or sour the palate of other viewers.

>>22542133
I can't speak for everyone, but the thing that soured my palate was the quality of stories present in 18. You were clearly lacking in submissions and decided to print it anyway, likely pulling in Woolston's stories as last second filler from Discord.
I'm not demanding "hubbub". I specifically suggested that you take a month off to bolster your backlog. You took the month off but did not use it accordingly. This is slacking.
I'll put it this way and leave it at that: If I see another sour release followed by you blaming /lit/'s authors for "not giving you their best" then I am relegating you to background noise.

>>22542156
not part of the editorial; I have commented before in these kinds of threads, perhaps to the fault of my style of response, but also with posts like yours assuming I'm the editor or something, but then also taking that post to claim even more things. Like "you blaming /lit/'s authors for 'not giving you their best' ": I don't think the Editor (or another) has done such like, perhaps but it's not very obvious to me or I'd venture other viewers or even contributors, most probably do not feel slighted, and all the shitty responses to the last issues (Woolston and his eponymous -posting, e.g.) are attributable to.....? Anyway, we don't know yet what the forthcoming number looks like, so you can't say they "did not use it accordingly" yet - if it will be lacking, then, yes, I would share your sentiment, and that is worth considering for & but I don't know yet.

>>22542176
>I don't think the Editor (or another) has done such like
I'd need to dig through the archives for the exact quote, but it was something along the lines of "You can't blame us for the quality of submissions we receive. If you want us to print something good then why didn't you submit?" or some arrogant prattle along those lines.
>perhaps but it's not very obvious to me or I'd venture other viewers or even contributors, most probably do not feel slighted
It's hard to say. There's been an obvious reduction in interest from the average non-Discordian. Is that due to the drama, the sudden decline in quality or the standoffishness of the new staff? I don't know, but I'd wager all three have some bearing the overall lack of interest this thread seems to point to.

Proper syntax is for betas now checkem

>>22542156
>>22542133
>>22541724
>>22542016
The way too quick turn around on 018 from 017 and the embarrassing damage control by editors in the aftermath throwing their contributors under the bus was possibly the death knell for &amp and I'm not kidding. Atlas was in the thread responding to anons directly stating it was not their fault how shit it was, blaming contributors, calling the stories You'll Always Remember Fremantle and Good Samarithan trash (never realising how poorly it reflected on her, that if she truly felt that way, it meant they knowingly and needlessly released a rushed product with subpar quality; it's one thing to celebrate and embody trash lit you get from /lit/ in the way that &amp has historically, but totally another then to feature long form trash (I personally didn't think any of the stories were irredeemaby bad, although certainly not good) as major pieces and hours later state how shit and regrettable they were). I don't think editor engagement does much for &amp. I would prefer to see a release drop and for shit flinging anons to do their thing and the editors stay silent, secure in the fact that that kind of behaviour is in the spirit of &amp, /lit/, and 4chan. It's kind of what you get putting a woman in charge. Not to mention the main editor is kind of schizo now. I will support next issue and review the stories because I have always supported this project. I'm pleased to see there has been a long break.

>>22542857
holyshit grandpa,
fewer threads, more meds

>>22542857
>it’s over for real this time
The editor was literally strung out on crack and wanted by the police six months ago. You people have to get a grip.

>>22542857
lmao who the fuck chronicles edrama so closely like this?

Online drama is boring. I'm just glad lit writes for once, regardless of quality. 18 was about even in quality with the average undergrad quarterly, which is fine. I'm glad it exists.

>drama drama drama
What are you faggots working on?
>burgerpunk spy thriller neo noir
>20k words
I might train wreck the whole story when the villain is revealed to be a time traveling emmit till who travels through time raping white women across centuries.

>>22543249
>burger punk spy
Always had this theme in my head but I'm too dumb to understand the real world properly enough. How do you build the world?

>>22543249
I got about 60k words of something.
Basically its about third shift workers in rural midwest and the internet/power goes out and hijinks ensue. lots of rambling and weird stories, includes a massive flashback chapter for the mc.

>>22543261
Honestly it’s just based on the real world. You put all the weird things together and leave out most of the boring shit.

>>22543288
That sounds awesome. The Midwest is key in my story as well

>>22542857
>implying pic related wasn't the writing on the wall
>tHiS Is mY ReDeMpTiOn aRc

>>22542857
I can’t blame Atlas for not standing up for Woolston’s irredeemable shit. I blame her for printing it in the first place.
She put herself in that situation by rushing the issue out. As I said above, I blamed this on a quick release schedule and suggested a bimonthly distribution instead. Now I see that this is just apathy on Atlas’ part. She doesn’t care. When this one is rushed out she can just blame it on whoever is most convenient at that moment.

>>22543249
Transgressive fiction novel. It's not about literally me by the way. It's about a daytrader, his maid, and a prostitute (female).

>>22544865
Sounds like a good time.

>2 posts in 17 hours
&amp is so dead it’s not even funny. Editor, please right this sinking ship. I’m begging you.

>>22546177
>discord trolls are not shitting up an eventwise unimportant thread-- it's over!
Give it a rest, October's round the door

>>22546259
>
dw, now that the unreal thread archived the trolls will be here. learn to enjoy the mess

>>22543598
That's what I said

>>22546439
Favourite &amp pieces? I liked the anti-laughter tirade in issue 3.

>>22546464
I still love that piece about the sticks in the mail boxes that are microphones. I love the first 6 issues the most.

>>22546464
>>22547322
>i'm crab gregor

>>22543249
I have a short story about two sisters accidentally summoning a demon kicking around and I'm working on a book about a disgusting NEET man who lives online having his friends replaced with AI replicas.

b&amp

>>22546464
Husky Mutt Puppy was a banger

atlas left the &amp server, lol

>>22549956
Ari bros… we won

Yes, Atlaspherea has been defeated. Now I can complete the Best-Of. Ari, you’ve been relieved of your responsibilities in that regard. Thanks .

>>22550426
Did you kick her out?

>>22549956
Why?

>>22549956
She's in my DMs now

>>22550503
>>22550705
No. I’m not sure. Probably because she can’t handle being trash talked in the thread and also can’t just log off. I have important things to do so I’m not going to dwell.

>>22550705
Presumably because she’s losing it over Ari again

Hi, my name is Ben and I emailed u my story about a kid named Max. You still got it after change of editors? Just checking. I can send the other too btw

>>22551168
Post caps

>>22551542
How bizarre. Her interview with MNMDR and the overall design of 018 were both as a result of her, wasn't it? Those were two high quality things I loved.

>>22551691
She's a woman and can't handle aspergers behaviour here. The rest of any of those &amp fags get destroyed in these threads.

>>22551542
>she feels like shes ruined lamp and no one trusts her
^^^
It’s time for the editor to make his glorious return.

>>22551550
I also want to know if my submission is still there, it's the one about the guys hiding the body

Just read through 018, really bad stuff.

Usually it'll be a 30/70 split of good and shit, this was pretty much 100 per cent shit. Hopefully they can get it back on track next issue, but I worry anyone who can write has been put off submitting now

>>22547698
All of that in one story? What is your wordcount?

>>22552154
Oh yeah? You read through the entirety of 018 and have concrete opinions on each of the pieces? Well go on then, give us a taste of your thoughts on them and why you consider them poor, if you really read them and aren't just a troll suckling like a decade old barnacle to whatever you feel is the current weak point.

>>22551765
That is no way to handle critique. Thicker skin, and don't rush issues. There is no schedule, publish when there is enough content.

>>22552154
troll posts like this are always conveniently devoid of actual substance. Their vacuity is doubly weird when you consider anon was committed enough to supposedly read the whole issue piece after terrible piece, but then not committed enough to actually give more than a line of criticism?

>>22551542
Sad, but not really. This past year of &amp has been a pale imitation of itself and these new guys haven't been cutting it. Editor needs to whip this into shape or axe the lot of them, take another year long siesta and come back to a fresh group of bright-eyed anons willing to be groomed into shape. It can't go on like this. Even I'm losing interest.

The issue, Prestia................... Release it.

>>22552519
and who the fuck are you?

>>22552576
I miss when I could critique the magazine without someone implying I'm not allowed to have an opinion until I identify myself and list my accomplishments. Just another reason &amp is no longer fun.

>>22552286
You don't need to read every single word to know that a piece is shit. You can get a feel for an author pretty quickly. I would never reduce myself to reading a billion words of Woolston's workmanlike, monotone prose drawl in order to give a definitive, well-reasoned argument as to why it's shit. You just know it when you see it.

>>22552652
The best way I can describe Woolston, for example, is that he writes as if he's dutifully pumping away at his overweight wife's hotdog corridor in the missionary position as she squirms beneath him, uncomfortable but similarly duty-bound to utter little unexcited falsities ("Oh yes, Lewis, that's real good"). As Lewis "fucks" her to a joyless, unilateral orgasm, he whispers in a flat and nasally voice how much he loves her, to which her only internal response is a crushing, existential dread at bringing to term the tenth of his unfortunate progeny.

That's that reading Woolston feels like, and if that's not sufficiently accurate you can go suck a dick.

>>22552632
goodbye. Leave. Goodbye.

>>22552652
Nah, nice try but no dice. You gave a concrete ratio for past issues and stated absolutely everything in 018 is shit. So you must've read every piece. Otherwise you're outing yourself as a presumptuous clog. Woolston isn't enough - anyone can shit on woolston without reading a word. Share a thought on another piece. Can you so much as name two other pieces in that issue? It's bizarre even by 4chan standards that someone would go out of their way to shitsmear an online magazine which they don't even read.

>>22552703
This brown nose is really making me want to submit.

>>22552703
own that freak

>>22552703
I can see why Atlas left now. Imagine being critiqued on what side while having to answer for retarded posts like this from your own side. Brown nose is a good way to put it
If you were around for 18's release you'd know how poorly it was received. Even Atlas was shitting on the stories, something that she should not have done and deserved to be torn apart for, but even with that, it's an opinion that she'd likely reiterate. It was a bad issue that was rushed for an arbitrary deadline. No amount of "PROVE YOU READ IT RIGHT NOW. DO IT. DO IT NOW!!!" is going to correct the record.

>>22552756
Zulu was the one who insisted on the early August deadline, not Atlas.

>More fucking discord shit
Holy fuck you faggots are insufferable

>>22552756
so you lied. Why did you make such a perfunctory claim regarding the totality of &amp issues. Are you pathological? Dumb? You seem to be basing your entire opinion on a magazine you haven't read on the posts of anonymous users on 4chan. Female behaviour.

>>22552756
As a third party he’s completely right. When people criticized issue 16 they referenced specific stories that didn’t meet their expectations. They elaborated. Right now all any of you are doing is shitting on the last release with zero substance save to recycle the same Woolston jokes people have been making for a month.
It’s obvious that you have no genuine interest in the magazine and just want to derail the thread. Every project thread has hundreds of bad faith comments like yours. If the staff takes hem seriously no wonder they’re always breaking down lol.

>>22552756
It's not brown nosing. I read the issue unlike you and formed an opinion kek. Your backpeddling is tiring and petulant. You strike me as a mongoloid - potentially even Korean. Get a life.

>>22552794
Access to these threads should be blocked on every &amp staff member's device lmao. The publication will only be better for it.

>>22552703
>when a left brain engineering type tries to into art

>everyone still talking about that Woolston shit

This pleases me, honestly. That story is absolute dogshit. Whenit came out I was braced for a bunch of simpering, dishonest praise by magazine shills. There wasn't much of that, thankfully, because it was indefensible as a piece of work. I hope that story goes down in history as &amps lowest moment.

>>22552792
>>22552794
>>22552804
I'm not even the person who you wanted the review from retards, but nonetheless, thank you for proving my point.
There is no middle of the road to these threads anymore. There is only hatred and blind ass kissing by those desperate to play defense for something that they consider an extension of themselves. You've driven away anyone objective, myself included.

>>22553040
>You've driven away
okay goodbye lol. There seems to be a never ending slew of individuals "driven away" from &amp for good. Every new issue causes a certifiable brain drain of them!

Okay anon. I'll stop talking to you and you can go back to another 28 hours of page 10 bumps. But it's all okay! Just remember, &amp is more popular than it's ever been, It's just that me (a bad actor out to get you) has been DDOSing your regular posters. I'm sure 19 will be literally perfect 11/10 just like 18 was and anyone who says otherwise is also me and out to get you (bad actor!@). You can tell because they (me) won't write out a 7k word review of the entire issue.

>>22552276
They're two seperate stories anon-sama

As a certified Good Faith Actor I also crapped on some stories in an issue of &amp, but when I did so I left minimum one paragraph reviews of each and substantiated my claims. I also didn’t declare the magazine dead because there were bad stories in an issue, because there are always mostly bad stories in the issues.

I don’t know who the fuck this guy is who’s always vaguely shitting on the magazine and then shouting “youve just lost a customer!!!” but he’s in every thread Kek.

>>22553125
If this thread was active on the backs of vaguely insulting comments like yours then you’d pivot to complaining that “nobody is talking about the stories!” and then using that asinine criticism to stir FUD. Why do so many /lit/ users hate to see their peers having fun? What’s up with that?

>>22553250
>>22553245
>>22553069
This "one guy fucking with you" theory would be a lot more convincing if the threads weren't so dead. Wasn't Atlas' main excuse for 18 that she received so few submissions? You haven't driven me away but I can understand why someone would nope out of these threads when they get a response like that. You guys need to chill.

>>22553277
The first 2023 issues operated on a backlog. The new monthlies did not. The truth of the matter is that there’s simply not enough people willing to give you a story for free on /lit/. If you dig a little you’ll learn how much cross contamination there was between the five or so /lit/ projects that existed. There’s simply a narrow supply of writers and they are spread out completely. &amp was wise to slow the pace of release again, and now they’re building up a bit of a catalogue.

&amp used to just publish everything, btw, that’s how they briefly kept a monthly schedule and that’s reflected in the general quality of those releases. But I know for a fact that two contributors from those early releases have just stopped writing, and that loss can be felt across three separate projects. That’s how small the pool of talent is.

I wouldn’t lend any credence to these professions of disgust. If Atlas is taking them seriously she needs to understand that they’re completely hollow.

>>22553516
I don’t think that Atlas really left because she was taking the criticisms of &amp to heart. I get the impression that she left because she’s upset about Ari.

>>22552657
You seem to have spent some time imagining Woolston having sex. Perhaps you need to touch grass. Your obsession with Woolston is just sad. Why are you so focused on him? There are other writers in &Amp better and worse so why focus on this guy?
Is it perhaps jealousy? He's the only person from this shithole with a real publisher isn't he? He's the closest anyone from here has come to success and that burns you.

>>22554383
Lol, insane levels of cope here Woolston

>>22553655
apparently she quit because she’s busy with school and can’t handle getting trash talked in the threads

>>22554447
Kiss my arse

>>22554675
Fuck I hate the &amp editor so much. Such an insufferable, arrogant faggot.

>>22554675
You're telling me it was just a coincidence that it happened right after this? Insane cope.
>>>/lit/thread/S22496372#p22543603

>>22554837
Yeah, nah, you're a cunt

>>22554921
Nobody cares. Atlas was more &amp than Ari ever was. Ari is an untalented person, and nobody here likes him.

>&amp could have had a special 4chan 20th Anniversary Edition
>instead we have faggots on Discord
SAD
fucking SAD

>>22552902
That story is going to be in Woolston's next book.
He was talking about in the Discord today. He's started editing it with his "publisher" and says it will be released in January. So get ready for a pile of Woolston shill threads in the new year. Lord spare us from the shitposting of the Australians.

>>22552293
>>22552286
....k den.

>Waffle!
Read like a middle school writing exercise in English class. Somehow made a surreal concept boring with dull, repetitive descriptions of prose. May as well have been a transcript of a video game cutscene, the character had no agency, no internal thoughts, no reason for existing.
>‘What I beautiful and unexpected fireworks show’ he thought with a smile.
Is a line that was actually printed, showing no one even cared enough about this to edit it properly

>Have@It
Overly trite, standard half-schizo stream of consciousness stuff that you'll read on every 'write what's on your mind' thread in the catalog. That last line in particular is so lazily written and devoid of authenticity that it hurts.

>Good Samarithan
Embarassing, Cormac McCarthy pastiche with writing that is not mature enough to handle the subject matter. Incoherent narrative voice that fails to capture the childlike narration it's going for

>The Tent
Absolutely putrid. I get the feeling this writer has never actually watched a play before or really looked at a script before. Awful, two-dimensional characterisation, meanders endlessly and unnecessarily to communicate what is essentially a 10th grade interpretation of the phrase "war is hell.", stuffing as much overwrought pathos as possible into the few pages until they lift a Shakespearean tragic ending, because that's presumably the only play the author has read after being forced to read it at school.

That's just the few I could be bothered scrolling back through

As I mentioned previously though, this really isn't even THAT much shittier than a usual issue. Just about 30 per cent shittier. The beauty of &amp lies in reading an absolute spark of genius flash fiction sandwiched between two random pieces of turgid shit. The burden of responsibility lies on whoever is editing to ACTUALLY edit and not just cram every submission they get onto a random page in Adobe InDesign or Canva or whatever they use. Actually work with the writer towards making it the best it can be, instead of spending all their time doing filler pages with pretty colors.

>>22556441
>the character had no agency, no internal thoughts, no reason for existing.
holy reddit.

>>22556441
>Actually work with the writer towards making it the best it can be
To be fair, they’ve never done this previously. The biggest issue with 18 is that they’ve run out of backlog material and are relying upon new submission after scaring away a large portion of their previously core audience with their endless drama and their insistence on fighting with everyone anon who gives a middling review.
They just need to kick the bootlickers and discordfags to the curb and go back to silent releases. Let people talk shit.

>>22556441
What do you read, what are your favourite book, thinkers etc? I 100 percent agree with everything you said, as I feel the same towards the pieces.

>>22556441
Tent is a grand guignol pastiche - nice externalizing.

>>22556372
>Fremantle is being published.

I am beyond perplexed. Is this even real life any more?

>>22557036
kiss me arse

>>22556555
DIGITS

Has anyone gotten an email from the editors saying their submission made it in? I haven’t.

>>22557217
The main editor just quit. Maybe wait a week retard.

>>22557262
Thanks dad

>>22557262
>main editor
Had it with your ducking rewriting history

>>22557876
>Atlas wasn't the main editor
To my knowledge Hartley hasn't done any editing in over a year now. Atlas was the main editor as far as anyone should be concerned.

So is 19 dead? Zulu can't carry the whole project on his back. Did he even do any of the design work?

>>22557888
I've had contact with him and he personally edited my submission. Besides, whose fingerprints are all over the design…

>>22557888
how would you even know something like this. This is an anonymous thread connected to a magazine with anon submissions made potentially not even by the creators of the mag itself. How can you have any claim to knowledge of any of the inner workings or leadership status of this project?

>>22558258
You being retarded on purpose?

>>22557888
Pretty sure that of the issues that came out this year, Atlas only edited 017 and 018. Hartley did the others.

>>22556441
Based on your review I had to read a couple of these stories myself. You're not kidding lol. Even the ones that weren't outright poorly written were boring, both in plot and prose style. This entire thread had more entertainment value than the fiction in that issue.

I'm gonna side with the other anons who believe this enterprise would function better as a quarterly or biannual mag. Anyhow I just wanted to thank you for your funny review and shrewd analysis.

>>22559239
The poetry too was annoying. I can't really describe how because I'm not a big reader of poetry and don't feel good about critiquing it, but both the opening poems and the schizo cantos made me kind of want to punch the writers in the teeth. Bad feeling.

>>22559244
kys poetrylet

>>22558665
017 was so kino. I hope Atlas isn't gone for good

>>22559320
I doubt she'll be back. She's probably too fucked up over Ari to give a shit about &amp anymore.

>>22559451
Love finds a way. Ari and Atlas will get back together. They'll kiss and roundhouse kick that bastard Zulu in his head.

>>22559465
> Ari and Atlas will get back together
don’t give Atlas false hope, kek

>>22559244
>both the opening poems and the schizo cantos made me kind of want to punch the writers in the teeth
I've gotten so little criticism on the cantos that this is genuinely refreshing

>>22559611
It’s not even substantiative criticism though, just incoherent seething. And the opinion of an anon who admits to knowing almost nothing about poetry is worth very little.

>>22559741
Someone effectively said that they viscerally hated the thing. That's a little different from just saying "meh, I don't get it, poetry sucks", whether they're "informed" or not. You seem like a massive fag going out of your way to defend somebody who welcomed the criticism.

>>22559755
I’m not defending the guy or even saying that his poetry’s any good necessarily; I’m just saying that I don’t see much value in that sort of lazy “drive-by” criticism. Saying that you hated something without listing any specifics of what made the writing poor in your eyes is pretty useless overall. Also, the reviewer said that he viscerally hated both the Schizo Cantos and the opening poems, which are by two different writers and vary significantly in form, style, and content. Having the exact same reaction to two very different works suggests a kind of general “meh, I don’t get it, poetry sucks” attitude to me. You seem like a massive retard going out of your way to defend someone’s lazy and useless attempt at critique.

>>22559792
Woah, yeah you're right, no way more than one person could suck!

>>22559800
I don’t give a fuck if people think the writing in &amp sucks; that’s fine. Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion, and there is usually a fair amount of shitty writing in each issue of &amp that deserves criticism anyway. All I’m saying is that I’m not going to take the criticisms of lazy “drive-by” anons seriously when they shit on the whole issue indiscriminately using vague generalities. For me to consider their criticism valid, it has to include at least one or two fairly specific points as to what they disliked and why.

>>22559824
"This sucks" doesn't need a thesis to back it up, and not every passing comment has to be a detailed critique to be valid.

>>22559857
This comment sucks

>>22559824
No one gives a shit if you consider critique to be valid. Seethe in silence faggot.

>trying to read some quality &amp™
>mfw the critics arrive
not again!

>>22559884
lmao

>>22559880
Have you read and reviewed all of his previous comments? What about all of the comments surrounding his? Huh? In my opinion (which I think very highly of) your opinion is not valid and you are not entitled to one until I say you are.

>>22559824
Sometimes shit is self-evident. Actually pointing it out feels like bullying.

Nothing in the past three issues would make a best-of compilation, which should be a pretty damning indictment of quality. The amount of e-drama and lack of discussion of any of the pieces is reflective of how bad the pieces are.

>>22559907
No Adonis from 016 is absolutely best-of worthy. You have shit taste.

r-ryan! atlas! zulu! anybody! help!

>>22559913
uhh, no. Some torrid, overwritten shit/lit/ from Australia would not make any best-of compilation

>Thread descends into discord faggotry once again
You fucking namefags are actually the weirdest fuckers and I hope you all get bullied at school.

>>22560080
It looked a little like discussion up until the resident sycophant had to start shutting things down. Unless that's what you're complaining about too, because I can't tell.

>>22560101
Literally all you discord trannies just shit up threads with your pointless drama. Nobody outside your little group of 5 weirdos actually cares, go shit up your server and not these threads with your teenage girl dogshit

>>22560122
Discord tranny drama thread. Discord tranny drama project. Don’t like it? Make your own.

Reminder: I predicted this would happen as soon as the unreal thread died. The crabs flock to project threads like flies on shit. Bad faith arguments abound. All they want to do is drag you into the muck. They won’t quit, ever, so just enjoy the thread bumps and try to snatch whatever scant quality conversation you can find.

>>22560128
>Where an adult defends partaking in drama in a discord server and spreading it to threads where only they and 3 other people know about it

>>22560146
Stop being such a fucking crab. We’re authors. Named authors. We can talk about ourselves in our own thread.

>pic rel was a page in &amp 009
oh hahaha

>>22560140
&amp was the supreme zenith of all /lit/ collab projects and &amp was murdered in cold blood by Unreal Press. They’re the ones that introduced the faggoty namefagging, enamouring the editor with the idea of making books instead if magazines, because we all know you can’t just write a book and say it’s by Anonymous, nooo. Even if you’re anonymous you have to use some gay penname and then continue releasing faggy books under that faggy name. Unreal ruined &amp.

>>22560156
bad b8
>>22560173
Literally nothing worse than attention whores ruining shit. &amp was literally just "submit work, get published and talk about it in threads" now as usual faggots get involved and constantly try and make it bigger and worse just so they can try and make money or shitty internet fame

>>22560173
>supreme zenith
That's a little too lofty. It was definitely cool, and it managed to do a lot more than most projects, but you've gotta drop the nostalgia a bit. &amp was exciting for being a free-for-all where you threw your writing in a hat and watched it jump out at you a month (or 6) later from some flashy PDF. You got to see a bunch of other anons leaking their brains onto the page, and you got a kick when something really good happened to appear. It attracts its own breed of newfags (new to the magazine, at least) who get dazzled by the first impression, but it wears thin. If you look closer, a lot of the design is seriously hit-or-miss (and it varies a lot per issue). And eventually slogging through anon's latest textual turd gets boring. That said, there was still something special for anyone new to &amp.
The maximalist kitchiness is part of the charm at times, as is the rough writing that fills most of the pages, but I don't think that makes for something you can seriously call the "supreme zenith". Take a look at the design of something like Pinecone and there's a massive difference. &amp never had coherence, and the feeling of an undercurrent was that there were some stalwart regulars.
Anyway, I see &amp as having outlived itself. Every other /lit/ project falls apart, and that probably saves them from becoming public shitshows. Putting together 96 pages is still a lot of work whether they're good or worth it or not, and maybe it's hard to give it up after you've put that much effort in.
>murdered in cold blood by Unreal Press
Unreal definitely had an effect, but I don't think you can blame them when the editor handed himself over heart and soul to starting his own wannabe business/cult. There were always bizarre flashes of the guy's ego if you looked long enough, but until his whole "redemption arc" he at least kept to his email and a handful of threads.
>gay penname
People were using pennames in &amp since pretty early on, and you see them in other /lit/ projects too. But that's been contentious since long before all the Discord bullshit anyway.

>>22560224
As far as I can tell, it's the editor trying to build it up into something serious/profitable, and that's been the case since the inception. There's been a (mostly dead?) Patreon for a long time, and issue 003 pleads for Bitcoin in its final pages. &amp has a LinkedIn page for fuck sake (and apparently employs 2-10 people). And there was always this attempted social media presence that didn't really interact with /lit/ at all.


It's funny that these discussions were more or less hashed out a year ago in extensive detail in the best-of threads. The writing was on the wall in September 2022 when some random fag proposed a Discord. And if I'm remembering right, the "&amp server" or whatever the fuck wasn't even the editor's own making, but some unofficial thing that he joined up with later.

>>22560284
Lmao at that incredibly prescient anon in 2022. This post pretty much lays it out, the concept has outlived its use, or perhaps 4chan itself has started to truly decline in proper and the lack of quality submissions is reflected in that. Having read the Unreal Books, I can safely say no miraculous talent has jumped ship or anything.

Thankfully it’s never been easier to make a project if one has the will to do it, as seen by the amount of offshoots and spin-offs. UnrealPress, MiniMag, I think some ausfag is making something on here as well. It will rise again in some other form, perhaps after a couple years when the talent pool regrows

>>22560342
I'd read that whole thread if you really want a laugh, since it goes on from there and nails the current situation pretty well. And I'm pretty sure one of the people arguing in favour of a Discord is Atlas, back when that was just an email moniker.[\spoiler]

>>22560342
There was a story recently how three notorious burglars in Ireland died in a car accident, and the amount of crime plummeted. Turns out a few people can have a crazy outsized impact on things.

It’s the same with &amp. One autistic editor who painstakingly uses his free time to put it together is all it takes, and once they lose control it goes to shit. Same for the writers. There’s one anon that, according to them, submitted
>under various @proton.mail accounts named after greek philosophers under various pseudonyms
And was responsible for most of the beloved shit. If that’s true, and I get the impression it is, just a couple of anons like that getting tired of the drama and not submitting turns a 30/70 shit/good mag into 100 per cent dog shit

>>22560426
>under various @proton.mail accounts
I'm confident that anon was being facetious, at least about being any good. There's definitely only a very small number of (regular and/or decent) contributors anyway.

And my point was that the crackheaditor is the one who ran this thing into the ground. The minor cult of personality around the guy is stupid, and as much as other people might have a hand in the current state of things, he's clearly still the primary driving force. (He also had at least a couple people helping with editing off and on between 001 and 014, and I'm pretty sure a handful of full issues were handled by others, so collaboration has happened before without all the extra bullshit.) Anyway, if you're convinced this dude isn't the one peddling the new &amp brand profiteering, go back a few threads to where he got called out for shilling his AI book under a pseudonym as the "first title" in the Lamp Standards thing. Dude pulled a
>Just kidding!
and proceeded to begin shilling it elsewhere.


Infinite unexplained hiatus after issue 014 is an alternate reality where &amp ends on a high note and the editor spares himself from the whole debacle of his self-doxx.

>>22560475
Why don't you start your own magazine anon? You seem passionate enough and know enough of the sordid background

>>22560475
>only a very small number of (regular and/or decent) contributors anyway
The one about working on an oil platform
The one about streams from Hell
The one about the justice system
The one about the sports riot
The one about a guy in an insane asylum
The one about the Harkin worm
The one about roasting a live chicken
The one about a police state needing police
The one about Alex Bienstock

>>22560365
Leave Atlas alone, asshole. You’ve done enough.

>>22560517
Because he would start it and never actually finish anything, just like he failed to complete the best of.

>>22560575
>worm
>chicken
Which issues are these from? I don't remember them at all.

>>22560517
>>22561008
Is this the only joke you've got?

>>22523249
IT'S UP!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f85a8wR_jFA

>>22561167
This seems poorly timed. Shouldn't you be putting out this fire?

>>22561167
Hmm, interesting! We'll have to see how this goes. The author (*quick search*) is a contributor to The Lit Quarterly, to &amp also iirc.
Alas also this >>22561216, which might impact any Standards output as well

>>22561216
>Please pay attention to the latest earth shattering drama!

>>22561098
NTA, but that joke is low-hanging fruit. It's pretty pathetic of you to hang around criticizing other people's projects when--unlike you--they're actually being productive and releasing the works that they've completed. Why are you even here? Just to talk shit and derail things? If you feel that &amp has run its course and have so much contempt for everyone involved then why not just move on?

>>22561284
>My original assumption (last fall) had been that the hiatus would continue and &amp would be definitively defunct by the time I released it, so that the best-of would simply be a testament to the presence of good writers scattered among the milieu of /lit/. (You could call that the legacy of &amp, though I really see it as being about the writings themselves; perhaps I'll also say it's about the possibility of good writers on /lit/.) That was of course a somewhat shortsighted and presumptuous vision, but posterity is still my ambition for the thing. There are all these good and interesting writings lodged in the backlog of &amp, but they're surrounded by chaff, and I wanted a way to elevate them into something that people might bother to read from front to back. In the 14 issues of &amp considered, it's hard to imagine someone excited enough to read through all of them (all of the crap), so these stories end up obscured by their context. I want to make them less obscure, even if only slightly.

>>22561258
I fail to understand you sycophants. The main editor for the main project just stormed out in a huff, something that is likely the writing on the walls for &amp, but I'm supposed to get out of my seat and clap at my screen because a side project was announced?

>>22561384
No one's asking you to clap. The only person asking anyone to do anything is you asking the editor to respond to the latest nothingburger
&amp will go or &amp will stop. It was dead for a year before, dead for months before. Whatever transpires will be at the whim of Hartley.
>the sky is falling!! come on guys let's freak out oh my god!!
Try living your real life buddy

>>22561534
Sure man. It's all a big nothing bigger. I'm not allowed to care that my story isn't getting published now that the only person who threw the shit together is gone. Maybe this nothing burger will only cause a years hiatus. No big deal.
This opticsfagging is insufferable.

>>22561689
>opticsfagging
I like that. It's quite apt.
This fire would be so easy to put out. Just pull in some people from Unreal to cover for the Atlas' job, or bring Ryan back, or calm Atlas down. Anything to get 19 back on schedule.
I don't understand how telling everyone to play dumb on the consequences of losing the main editor does anything to further 19's development. It feels like you're just trying to avoid "losing".

>>22523249
Do you accept submissions in spanish? You won't tell me you're racist, will you?

>>22561778
>Just pull in some people from Unreal to cover
You'd like that wouldn’t you
>or bring Ryan back
Who said he ever left? that #19 is off now? These narratives are being created right here itt. For all we know it ought to come this month

>>22561801
>You'd like that wouldn’t you
I don't even know what this is implying. I take no umbrage in having Unreal edit my submission.
>>22561801
>Who said he ever left?
My understanding is that 17 and 18 were solo edited by Atlas and that Ryan had handed the role of editor off to her. Are we retconning that now for optic's sake?

>>22561828
Zulu did some work on #17 and #18, but yes, it was mostly Atlas, and yes, she was given the role of editor. None of this means Ryan can't come back though, it just might take some time.

Is this the honorable death we all imagined for &amp? Having it tossed into the trash by a bpd negress in a fit of failed boylust? It's almost enough to make you weep.

>>22561284
I assume he just wants to shit up the submissions thread and badmouth Hartley because of a personal grudge. He's probably also here to do a victory lap and celebrate after Atlas left &amp because she's having another breakdown over him. The guy is a joke and has done nothing but drag &amp down.

Hartley is a mess but you can't deny that he's busy trying to innovate and transform the scene. Atlas is unstable, but at least she sort of redeemed herself by doing a ton of work editing and writing for the mag. Even the Unreal trannies have gotten past the drama shitfighting and are cranking out some decent new releases. But Ari has done nothing, besides talk a big game about making a Best Of issue that a year later is still just vaporware. And he's got a lot of nerve to bitch about the Discord bullshit and act like he's so above it when it's common knowledge that he used Discord himself and played a part in starting it all. Just embarrassing.

>>22562584
>when it's common knowledge that he used Discord himself and played a part in starting it all.
Don't forget to include that "playing a part" and "starting it all" refers to Unreal doxing him and posting his school photo and profile around these threads to drive him away from the project.
I've yet to see anything that Ari has done wrong. Every complaint is some human garbage telling him that he needs to shut up and release the project excommunicated from as if it's some kind of gotcha.

>>22562664
>Every complaint is some human garbage telling him that he needs to shut up and release the project
I've noticed this as well. I still don't know why everyone hates Ari so much. I know he called a wellness check on Atlas but if everything Ari is saying about Atlas' behavior is true then yeah, she deserved more than a wellness check.
Did he do anything to deserve being doxed? Did he do anything since being doxed? No one in Unreal was doxed in retaliation from what I can see. I don't know the full story but this "Shut up and finish the story. Maybe then you can have an opinion on us esteemed creators." feels really weak and petty.

Deja vu in here
Had the same threads for half a year now.
Glad Hartley’s starting new ventures because it’s clear the mag’s run it’s course. Even the readers are stale

&ampbros... it's over.

>>22562680
the tranny drama...be quiet...

>>22562680
>>22563061
I literally just want to write and see it published. I think my stuff isn't great but it's good enough for print. I don't care where it gets published. I don't care about the drama. I am a writer.

>>22563064
Post some of your stuff. If it’s any good, I’ll publish you

>>22563146
And who exactly are you? And why should I put my hard work out there for any anonymous dramafag to steal?

>>22563146
Hickory dickory dock
I’ve been around the block
(I’m Not That Anon)
My talent is gone
(You) can suck my cock

>>22563158
It wouldn’t be stealing, your byline would be printed beneath it. Drop a burner email and I’ll message you.

>>22563167
fine:
superkidflash@email.com

>>22563175
Will message in 10-15

>>22559244
>made me kind of want to punch the writers in the teeth
That's one of the feelings I was going for when I wrote Seven Poems. Actually I would wander around walking in the path of speeding cars and getting in people's faces trying to get beat up when I was writing it. I left an early draft on the subway by accident and hoped I'd be smacked for it but my handwriting is pretty bad.

>Atlas actually left
Pack ‘er up boys. &amps dead. No chance a single one of you fags is gonna pick up the slack she’s left behind.

>>22561167
Good luck with SEO on that one.

>>22563497
After I get my computer set up in my new place and get my somewhat-illicit Adobe CC license up and running, you're not gonna know what hit you

>promising project for independent writers to share their stuff to a wider audience gets derailed and ruined by attention seeking namefags on a fucking discord server
>On fucking /lit/ of all places
Attention whores make me fucking sick just print the stories people send you it’s not fucking hard

>>22564055
bruh even the logo font looks identical wtf

>>22564834
>>22564055
KEK
There was one anon who admitted to handing in AI stories to fuck with &amp and Unreal. If this is also his handiwork then color me impressed.

>>22563497
She wasn’t even a main editor, kek

>>22565216
Nah RJC isn’t AI, he’s a longtime contributor to various /lit/ projects

>>22566617
Yeah didn’t he write for /lit/ quarterly? He’s legit

>>22563497
It seems like the next issue is probably gonna be delayed now

>>22564055
Funny. I didn't even know this book existed when I titled the book. The title came from a conversation I had with my MFA advisor who said that the experiences and personalities of your characters in fiction should appear to the reader like shards of broken glass. I liked the word SHARDS and took the book I was already halfway through, and forgive me I can't remember what I titled it back then, and titled it that. Oddly enough, I consider Ellis one of the great writers of the 20th century along with Palahniuk, who I got compared to a lot during workshops in grad school.

I don't think this will hurt the books reception in the long run.

>>22568016
>Palahniuk

I'm just gonna leave this shield here, in case someone attacks Palahniuk. He's not perfect, I'll admit, but he's worthy of defense.

>>22568016
>I consider Ellis one of the great writers of the 20th century along with Palahniuk
That’s the same century with Hemingway and Joyce and Woolf and Plath and Kafka in it right? Just checking

>>22568127
I was using a comparative example.

>>22523249
i thought this shit died, glad to see it's still kickin

>If you wish to submit your article for consideration to &amp Magazine print version, or if you wish to query your manuscript for print, please have your agent submit your work via the proper channels on /lit/.

is this a joke? need a literary agent to submit to this shit now, fucking lol

>>22568270
Just in time to see it die all over again.

>>22568295
It’s just a joke dawg

>>22568304
&amp is going great, there’s no reason to believe that it’s dying. Stop spreading bullshit.

>>22568311
Bruh, didn't you just lose an editor? The only editor who was actually editing 19?

>>22568314
Atlas was causing more harm than good anyways. The editor can pick any man from Unreal to replace her and have 10x the mag.
Stop trying to spin this like it's a bad thing.

>>22568332
Atlas did a great job editing the past two issues. I doubt anyone from Unreal has her dedication and work ethic. Her leaving is absolutely a bad thing.

>>22568371
Atlas was editor in name alone. Half of the work was done by Zulu. And Unreal could absolutely take over. It’s not like editing is difficult. Half of &amp’s editing is simple vectors and drag&drop clip art from Canva. Stop pretending like Atlas’ departure is anything but a good thing. No one is buying it.

>>22568405
Where are you getting this information? From what I know, Zulu is the one who is editor in name only. He was in the server last week talking about how he’s so bummed that Atlas left since she was the one who did all of the heavy lifting

>>22568332
>>22568405
No one gives a fuck about Unreal. If they did, they'd be posting in an Unreal thread, not an &amp thread. They're stuff is laughably bad and all just plain text in novel form, completely different format.
>It's not like editing is difficult
Hence why no one else on /lit/ has ever put together a magazine of that scope. It's difficult not in skill, but in having someone not retarded and with enough drive to actually do it.

>>22568817
>They're stuff is laughably bad and all just plain text in novel form
Their* stuff is published under their names. You’re just an anonymous retard with nothing to show and no reason to respect.
Atlas fucked up. Let Unreal have a shot at the plate. Stop being such a crab.

>>22568951
Crabs V Rags 2023

&Amp stories I still think about every now and again:

>The one where the boy gets a spider as a pet instead of a husky

>The one where a guy gets AI to post/respond to his social media automatically and finds he doesn't ever even need to check it.

>The one where a guy takes in a strange lodger and he transforms into a spider

>The one where a guy is playing chess against a computer and getting it to change all the heating/lights around them to distract it from the game.

>The one where a zoomer travels across a dystopian war setting to buy a copy of Final Fantasy and crashes his car.

>The one where there's some guy in trouble with the law through a crypto scheme and he's eavesdropping on a conversation normie employees are having in a coffee shop.

>The review of David Foster Wallace that ended on a kind of narcissistic note

>The one where a guy is riding a motorbike and looking up at the city and reminiscing about prostitutes then crashes at the end and is noticing the stars

>Always remember Fremantle, because it is the worst thing this magazine has ever, ever published.

>>22569399
You’ve reminded me of some good ones. The AI responding to social media was really good.

Still think about

>separating America from Americana

Burgerpunk remains unsolved.

>>22569399
>>The one where a guy is riding a motorbike and looking up at the city and reminiscing about prostitutes then crashes at the end and is noticing the stars

Someone source this pretty please ! !

>>22568033
I like him

I’m not gonna lie, it’s not looking too hot here guys. Replacing Atlas with an obvious downgrade while &amp was already wilting is not the direction I had hoped for when I contributed.

>>22523876
Not enough pronouns

>>22569399
>>Always remember Fremantle, because it is the worst thing this magazine has ever, ever published.
i dont understand the hate. It's clumsy but there's a certain charm to it. far from the worst piece

>>22570085
Stop posting tranny freak

>>22570085
It sucks to lose Atlas but I don't think anyone is actually considering Unreal for the job.
Maybe Ryan will take up the mantle again but if not then &amp has had a good life. Let it die as dignified a death as it still can..

>>22568951
>Let Unreal have a shot at the plate.
Why doesn’t Unreal just start their own “unreal mag”? Oh it’s because they’re shit and want to trade off the goodwill and reputation of work they had nothing to do with for monetary gain

>>22568295
>is this a joke?
Yes, mate. It's a joke.

RJC here. I've been an editor on several issues of Fiction International. I will gladly help of &amp is in need. Stop with the FUD.

>>22571048
Just DM him...

>>22571244
Just DM him your bullshit grievances instead of trying to stir up shit on a Japanese sewing forum.

>>22571303
Show your support for &amp in the new thread. Don’t let the Unrealcucks win

>>22570018
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