/lit/ - Literature

So did he

>>22518511
Wanted to post this.
Anna Karenina haunts me to this day.
Each time I look at the behaviour of my mother in law I have chills running down my spine.

>>22518504
>He knew for what women are

>retard agrees with midwit
happens every time.

>>22518504
If you are alluding to Dostoevsky’s worst novels, then, indeed, I dislike intensely The Brothers Karamazov and the ghastly Crime and Punishment rigamarole. No, I do not object to soul-searching and self-revelation, but in those books the soul, and the sins, and the sentimentality, and the journalese, hardly warrant the tedious and muddled search. Dostoyevsky’s lack of taste, his monotonous dealings with persons suffering with pre-Freudian complexes, the way he has of wallowing in the tragic misadventures of human dignity – all this is difficult to admire. I do not like this trick his characters have of ”sinning their way to Jesus” or, as a Russian author, Ivan Bunin, put it more bluntly, ”spilling Jesus all over the place." Crime and Punishment’s plot did not seem as incredibly banal in 1866 when the book was written as it does now when noble prostitutes are apt to be received a little cynically by experienced readers. Dostoyevsky never really got over the influence which the European mystery novel and the sentimental novel made upon him. The sentimental influence implied that kind of conflict he liked—placing virtuous people in pathetic situations and then extracting from these situations the last ounce of pathos. Non-Russian readers do not realize two things: that not all Russians love Dostoevsky as much as Americans do, and that most of those Russians who do, venerate him as a mystic and not as an artist. He was a prophet, a claptrap journalist and a slapdash comedian. I admit that some of his scenes, some of his tremendous farcical rows are extraordinarily amusing. But his sensitive murderers and soulful prostitutes are not to be endured for one moment—by this reader anyway. Dostoyevsky seems to have been chosen by the destiny of Russian letters to become Russia’s greatest playwright, but he took the wrong turning and wrote novels.

>>22518504
A lower level than Nietzsche, who approached women so closely he may well be the singular human male in all of history to actually manage to think like a female.

>>22518504
I disagree. The female characters in the Brothers Karamazov were by far the most boring characters of the b- ok, you're right.

>>22519118
To be fair to Schoppy, Hegel was worse than him, literally comparing women to plants.

Understanding women is the key that unlocks truly profound depression.

>>22519250
ok but I've never had a gf and still want one

>>22519386
Only because you have never had one

>>22518504
> understood women
there is literally nothing to understand, all women are whores

>>22519236
Wait, what?

>>22518504
Wrong pic.

>>22518523
The way Anna treated her son made me cry because of how similar my mother acted when I was younger

le feminist christian
he was chringe

>>22518511
The goat, actually made my autistic ass aware of how women think, wish I didn't though.

>>22518511
Which work of his would you guys recommend to someone new to reading him?

>>22518504
>>22518511
>>22519118
Wagner understood woman better than anyone else. Weininger called Kundry the most profound character in Western literature.

>I lately advocated our searching for the purely-Human in its agreement with the ever-Natural, mature consideration will shew us the only reasonable and luminous departure-point in the relation between man and woman, or rather, the male and female. [...]
>However strongly the lust of the male in the highest types of beasts may be already directed to the individuality of the female, yet it only protects its mate until she is in the position to teach the young to help themselves, which she does till they can finally be left to go their way and forget the mother also: here Nature's sole concern is with the species, and she keeps it all the purer by permitting no sexual intercourse save under influence of mutual 'heat.' Man's severance from the animal kingdom, on the other hand, might be said to have been completed by the conversion of his 'heat' into passionate affection for the Individual, where the instinct of Species, so paramount among the beasts, almost fades away before the ideal satisfaction of the being-loved by this one individual: in the woman alone, the mother, does that instinct seem to retain its sovereignty; and thus, although transfigured by his ideal love towards her individuality, she preserves a greater kinship to that nature-force than the man, whose passion now mates the fettered mother-love by turning to fidelity. Love's loyalty: marriage; here dwells Man's power over Nature, and divine we call it. 'Tis the fashioner of all noble races. [...]
>This question of Polygamy versus Monogamy thus brings us to the contact of the purely-human with the ever-natural. Superior minds have called Polygamy the more natural state, and the monogamic union a perpetual defiance of Nature. Undoubtedly, polygamous tribes stand nearer to the state of Nature, and, provided no disturbing mixtures intervene, thereby preserve their purity of type with the same success as Nature keeps her breeds of beasts unchanged. Only, a remarkable individuality the polygamous can not beget save under influence of the ideal canon of Monogamy; a force which sometimes exerts its power, through passionate affection and love's loyalty, in the very harems of the Orientals. It is here that the Woman herself is raised above the natural law of sex (das natürliche Gattungsgesetz), to which, in the belief of even the wisest lawgivers, she remained so bound that the Buddha himself thought needful to exclude her from the possibility of saint-hood. It is a beautiful feature in the legend, that shews the Perfect Overcomer prompted to admit the Woman.

>Ideality of the Man—Naturality of the Woman

>However, the process of emancipation of the Woman takes place amid ecstatic throes. Love—Tragedy.

How come Europeans used to be based and misogynist, but now they're all cucked feminists (except for Russians and maybe Serbians)?

>>22519891
>Europe knows nothing other than what Jews serve up as knowledge. It believes nothing other than what Jews order it to believe. It knows the value of nothing until Jews impose their own measure of values […] all modern ideas including democracy, and strikes, and socialism, and atheism, and religious tolerance, and pacifism, and global revolution, and capitalism, and communism are the inventions of Jews, or rather their father, the Devil.
St Nikolaj Velimirovic

>>22519928
insanely based

>>22519548
>>22519878
But Weininger called Dostoevsky '(that great soul)'. He never gives anyone else that type of title, he systemizes many different artists into categories and criticizes them but he basically puts Dostoevsky on another level. He loved Dostoevsky's heroines and said the invention of Sonia from Crime and Punishment triumphed all philosophy on the subject

>>22519386
Be careful what you wish for. Get a dog instead.

>>22519972
Russians have a very spiritual and mystical nature that gives them unique insight. Even in the communist era when atheism was enforced, many of them still had sort of spiritual ideas like cosmicism and so on.

>>22519386
Like the other anons said, you just want one because you don't have one. When the hormones wear off you're just gonna have a modern woman next to you, psychosis and SSRIs included, who's gonna make you wanna kill yourself

>>22519972
>He loved Dostoevsky's heroines and said the invention of Sonia from Crime and Punishment triumphed all philosophy on the subject
Mr. Weininger's opinions can be safely disregarded across the board, then.

>>22519834
You can start with The Death of Ivan Ilyich and any other short stories you can get a collection of. Then just jump into War and Peace or Anna Karenina. They are not hard to read at all.

>>22519972
He literally called Wagner the greatest man since Christ’s time and Parsifal the world’s deepest poetry. Wagner undoubtedly stands above Dostoevsky in Weininger’s schema.

>>22519834
Ivan Ilyich. Read his other short stories and novellas too, they are usually published together with Ivan Ilyich. They're brilliant and to be honest you could start with his big novels like Anna Karenina and it wouldn't be hard to get into it.

>>22519878
Wagnerposter has been trying hard to convince this board that Wagner is the greatest genius of modern times but that will not change the fact that his writings are obscure, his reputation is terrible and his operas are simply inaccessible to 99% of people.

>>22519236
Wtf I love Hegel now.

>>22518511
Based if talking about the kreutzer sonata and not AK

>>22520389
>“I watched her pouring out the tea, putting the spoon in her mouth and swinging her foot, noisily sucking on the liquid, and found myself loathing her as though she were committing some hideous crime.”

>>22520189
Yeah but everyone knows him for being a Wagnerian but no one’s really offered up any interesting analysis on the way the ideas connect, academically there’s never been anything creative. The link between Wagner and Weininger is stale, it just feeds into Schopenhauer and Nietzsche German Buddhism and makes him into a type of ethnic tribal ghetto warrior. What connects Weininger to Wagner is more cultural and more directly historical, but only in the fact that it’s basically Wagner that gives him the confidence to defend Christianity in Vienna against the overwhelming force of nihilism being brought on by the Jewish cultural Nietzcheans. It’s Wagner that allows him to step over the line and defend Christ directly, because Wagner was successful and influential without Christianity and still chose Christ freely, that’s why he’s the greatest man since Christ’s time, because he’s the only one since that could’ve conquered the world while still ‘choosing the good’. Wagner’s the example he’s drawing on to give power to his arguments, but this is really only applicable and important in the context of Vienna where Wagner was still worshipped. Weininger’s brother Richard writes that he didn’t even hear one open critique of Wagner in person until he travelled to America. Weininger’s connection to Dostoevsky makes his ideas sharper and more obscure, like his quote about great men preferring the prostitute type over the motherly type, but Sonia is his ideal prostitute, and she’s the most motherly one that could be imagined, the work camp prisoners even call her ‘our little mother’. Weininger himself said that Ibsen treated women more morally than Wagner, so it’s obvious that Weininger’s public connection to Wagner only increases Weininger’s own ridiculous pimp persona. The Dostoevsky connection centers his writing to its ethical intensity, and it’s Weininger that always placed the ethical, moral idea above anything. Thus Dostoevsky’s connection is obviously more personal, and Wagner’s influence is more empirical. It’s advantageous to be more openly loyal to whatever gives someone direct power and influence when it allows them to make their arguments outside of themselves and defend against attack, but that really means that Dostoevsky’s influence is the ‘transcendental’ part in his arguments, in that it’s the personal idea compared to what is empirically successful

>>22520322
All vanity

>>22520594
Saith the preacher

>>22520164
Thanks anon

>>22519236
Sauce?

>>22519891
B-but 4chan told me Russians were not Europeans...

>>22519928
Sauce?

>>22521164
Words to the Serbian People Through the Prison Window

>>22519149
You are so pretentious, shut the fuck up you insufferable faggot.

This crypto-queer can write the female mind better than a woman can.

>>22518504
that's normal

>>22518504
Wow he must’ve had a big cock.

You guys sound like losers. Women are fun. Have fun with them. I assume you guys are upset that most women don’t want to be serious but it’s actually a good thing. Life is already too serious. If women are giving you problems then you need to relax more. If all you care about is a wife then marry a foreigner. Fuck that. We are alive to enjoy life and when you figure out that’s what women want then you’re playing a great game

>>22522786
>have fun
NOOOOOO WE CANT LET WOMEN HAVE FUN!!!!
WE NEED SHARIA LAW NAOOO!!!
IF WE LET WOMEN HAVE FUN HOW WILL I EVER FIND MUH TRADWIFE???!!!!
WOMEN MUST BE BEATEN AND RAPED AND NEVER ALLOWED TO LEAVE THE HOUSE!!
WOMEN ARE SUBHUMAN AND MY PROPERTY!!!!!!!!!!!
THEY ARE WHORES AND ARE DESTROYING MUH MASTERRACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Am I doing it right? Kek

>>22519509
women are allowed to have and enjoy sex

>>22522786
>women are fun
Said no one ever.

>>22522786
>>22522860
>>22522877
Umm this is the literature board

>>22522860
I unironically think like this.

>>22523020
I was just representing the incels’ love for the Quran kek.

>>22521453
you fell for some of the oldest bait on this board

>>22523020
whats that supposed to mean that you only want replies that look aesthetic on paper

>>22521453
Dosto is essentially sadomasochistic, he loves dwelling on characters who revel in how depraved they are, but who also prostrate themselves in the just punishment or humiliation of their depravity. Again, sensitive murderers and soulful prostitutes imply the exact situation he adored, all the violence and sexual intrigue he desired so much, but with the approval of his super ego since they ritualistically degrade themselves in a kind of spiritual fetishistic pleasure in confessing, being punished, and then being "redeemed". It's lurid and partakes of a sick kind of gratification in self flagellation.

>>22524495
Schizophrenic.

>>22524518
Says the dude who compulsively posts the same list over and over again

>>22524531
>same dude
>the list
>they're following me!
meds now

>>22521182
Should I move to Serbia?

that's not an accomplishment, women are extremely simple and everyone understands them, you just get called an incel when you tell others about it but everyone agrees
>>22524518
archive searching is for faggots, go to reddit

>>22524655
>m-muh schizophrenic copypasta
been on this site since you were in grade school, eat shit newfag plebbitor candyass
hth

>>22519250
I do hope that one day I'll find a woman who's pure, good, and intelligent; faithful and caring. I don't know if such a being exists though, or if I'll always be looking looking her.

>>22520322
>his writings are obscure,
This is indeed a pity.
>his reputation is terrible
Only among Jews.
>his operas are simply inaccessible to 99% of people.
More a problem with Opera than Wagner himself. If anything, if they have the patience, Wagner's more accessible than other opera composers due to his narrative strengths combined with the beautiful music.

>>22524686
they do but they're hard to find

>>22524700
Especially now, it's barren land. Solomon said in his day that
>one man among a thousand have I found; but a woman among all those have I not found
Whilst an indictment against both men and women when looked at through a certain perspective, it remains a testament to how hard good women are to come by. If it that was the case then, what is it now?

>>22519817
What work?

>>22524758
not that anon but pretty much everything
anna k has a good dichotomy in between a heroic woman and a loose woman

>>22518504
it's not an accomplishment, women are disappointingly and despicably simple

>>22524843
dat nig would have changed his tuna if salome would have given him some ass