/lit/ - Literature

First for Bakker

I just want to experience a very fantastical world in which the male protagonist and only POV character just aims to defeat the non-morally grey evil through willpower, love, and skill.

Erikson, Vance and Wolfe, not Jordan
Sanderson and Rothfuss

>>22518536
Read Jack Vance

>>22518544
>Erikson
Stopped reading there

I'm reading The Game Players of Titan. It has the obligatory casual sex + affair combo that was evidently prevalent back in the 50s-70s. It has The Game which just happens to be the backdrop--a stark change to something like Player of Games lol

>>22518544
>Erikson
Father of edge
>Vance
Father of D&D cringe
>Wolfe
Father of pretentious hipster fantasy

22518580
(You)

Any good SCP-like books?

>>22518536
Riftwar
>>22518611
>SCP
You have to be 18+ to post here

>>22518580
>erikson
>edge
nigga, what?

Are the Red Rising books worth reading?

>>22518878
No

>>22518878
Of course not

Any good fantasy about a character who's primarily a thief? Member of a guild of thieves would be ideal. I'm writing something and I'd like to know if I'm ripping anyone off, or if there's someone I should be ripping off.

>>22519094
Lies of Locke Lamora

>>22519094
Any books like berserk? Any books like dark souls?

>>22519194
Shut up

>>22519116
I'll check out the first book, skipped it before but maybe I should rip it off.

>>22519209
Where do i start with warhammer40k? Hey guise want to see the shitty draft for my new gaymale powerfantasy harem novel???

>>22519094
>read a book just to make sure I'm not plagiarising someone
Do retards really?

>>22519233
No anon, I want to know if there's anything I *can* plagiarize.

>>22519260
My bad. In that case, try Vance's Cugel stuff. Great depictions of a roguish MC. At the very least, you could be ripping off much worse than Jack Vance

>>22519279
Nice, read some Dying Earth but haven't done those yet, will check them out

>tfw I'll never get to read everything on my List before I die

>>22519281
Obviously Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser also (theres a couple of good Fantasy Masterwork paperbacks which have everything iirc). Oh and Tower of the Elephant by Robert Howard.

>>22519209
The first book is good if you stick with it but the others in the series are not worth the time. But if you want a conman heist type thief Lies is going to be good for you.

>>22519298
>but the others in the series are not worth the time
Why so? (another poster)

sci-fi milfs or fantasy milfs?

>>22519282
>mfw I'll never get to read everything on my List before I die

>>22519315
Scifi milfs, fantasy lolis

>>22519315
>sci-fi milfs
I like tired no-nonsense military milfs
Confederation of Valor, Serrano Legacy, Vatta's War, The Tower and the Hive.

>>2251932
>scifi milfs
What about robot lolis?

What are some good fantasy to read this upcoming spooktober?

>>22519350
What about robomoms?

>>22519429
The robomom has robololis

Hey buddy I turned the image around just for you <3

>>22519094
Nine Tales of Raffalon is exactly what you want.

>>22519279
Cugel works better if you imagine him as Bruce Campbell.

>>22519094
Fafhrd and Gray Mouser are also thieves but they war on the theives guild, they aren't part of it.

>>22519506

>>22519535
I can picture him more as some classic British comedy actor, like one of the Monty Python guys or Rowan Atkinson.
Same with Rhialto.

>>22519279
Cugel is fucking based, I based my life around him and I've been successful as fuck

>>22518580
OP
>father of faggoty & weak bait

Measure is unceasing.

>>22519671
I cannot cease measuring

>>22518480
I'm only posting this once.

A Contest of Ratings
Win this contest and I, !SFFG.n1h7M, will read and write about the books you choose
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/22616764-a-contest-of-ratings

>>22519672
(You) have been measured, and found lacking.

>>22519680
That's what she said

>look up writing advice on yt
>all channels giving out advice have written books
>download kindle samples
>they're all total dog shit

>>22519694
You should just write whatever the fuck, have a couple friends and family membas give you honest feedback, implement corrections, then hire a professional to give you an opinion.

>>22519694
All the writing advice I think you need is
>read a lot
>it's hard
>just do it anyways
>know why you want to write the thing you're writing
>try to make every scene memorable
>also keep reading
Everything else is just procrastinating

>>22519694
give me 3 examples

Is the book community technologically retarded? Why is there not a single fucking website where I can filter books by multiple tags or genres?

>>22519838
Only furries are capable of such technological feats

What the fuck happened to this place?

Speaking of furries, are there fantasy novels catering to furries? (not actual furry fanfics)

>>22519876
*fantasy or sci-fi

>>22519876
>>22519881
Chanur

>>22519876
I recommend the old "life of Riley" stories
http://othrworlds.blogspot.com/p/blog-page.html
The ones with the titles highlighted in orange.

Also, right now there is an ongoing dark fantasy (with some scifi implications) series being written by an anon on /trash/ called Fall from Grace which is surprisingly good. Only a little bit of smut, 98% story
https://archiveofourown.org/works/47311846/chapters/119214523

>>22519824
I'll give you one because fuck you go find the rest yourself.

>>22519912
Forgot pic

>>22519558
>he's still not satisfied
>he wants the random photo I took to be le perfect pristine image

What really long book series have you read every single book of? (not counting rare or hard to find stories or out-of-print stuff. Off the top of my head my list includes:
>Culture (including State of the Art)
>Thomas Covenant (and Gildenfire) + Gap Cycle
>ASOIAF
>Pliocene Epoch/Galactic Melliue
>Book of Words/Sword of Shadows (book 5 wen?)
>Redwall (Excluding those weird pop-up books)
>The Dark Tower (not the comics tho)
>Dune (yes the shitty sequels his son and Anderson wrote too)
>Remnants/Everworld/Endling (working on Animorphs rn)
>His Dark Materials
>PJ Farmer's The Dungeon
>The original Sword of Truth books
>The Gandalara Cycle
A few more I can't think of right now, I'd have to check my goodreads
I'd be interested to know what book series other anons have read and enjoyed. These threads have gotten so stale and I'm dying to talk about good sci-fi

>>22518611
There Is No Antimemetics Division is good

>>22519094
Thieves World by Robert Aspirin

>>22520025
>The Gandalara Cycle
Haven't heard that name in a long time...

>>22520014
kek
I am not the faggot author. I just did that for shits and giggles.

>>22520087
I actually just finished River Wall recently (as in this year), they weren't mind-blowing reads but very cozy and I liked the moral quandrying and action sequences (and the desert setting)
also forgot on that list - the Death Gate Cycle. Most people don't know that besides the 7 main books there was also a retro point and click game for PC, plus a very short story which you can find here - https://mocagh.org/legend/deathgate-story.pdf

FOUR THOUSAND, FOUR HUNDRED AND FIFTY SIX DAYS SINCE THE LAST ASOIAF BOOK DROPPED
kill me

>>22519506
>faggot even has fake Goodreads accounts to c&p fake reviews

>>22520111
I will be an old man by the time Stand in Stone Circles is finished

>>22520025
Safehold series by David Weber...Dresden Files, Cradle

I want to read a lighthearted adventure with memorable characters that immerse you in the world. Preferably fantasy but sci-fi is fine too. My favourite series is Fables, just so you get what I mean by immersive and lighthearted.

No I won't use your mega link I've looked at it and it is unhelpful. Literally provides zero information about the books listed. No synopsis means you have to judge the books by their covers or google every individual title. What do you take me for, a retard?

Semi-related note:
How isn't there an online retailer that lets you scroll books and provide brief overview of the plotlines like Netflix? It's not like the customers hate reading, it's what they're here for. Fuck book covers man. Give me blurbs and synopses.

Any good sci fi with a deeper meaning and good plot

>>22519911
>>22519895
interesting, thanks

>>22520161
That is one reason why I still like to go to book stores. I can pick up the books, read their blurbs, check out the maps, read the first couple pages, etc. Trying to find books online you pretty much have to already be committed to buying it.

>>22520120
>obsessive schizoid man continues shitposting despite being in an entirely new thread
I think the other guy was right when he told you to take meds lol

>>22520181
'Do Androids dream of electric sheep?'
The blade runner films are based off it but I prefer the novel
Dune is an obvious choice
Anathem

>>22518878
if you are bored and find basic ya stuff thrilling then you might not feel like you wasted several hours reading the series

>>22520014

I take panic medication whenever I'm at the end of a book

>>22520223
>story ends with the illusion of romance shattered, the protagonist's false sense of freedom quenched and a loud and angry scene of him coming to terms with the fact that he will never belong, never be understood nor understand the world he lives in and must put up a front and live in a restricted but relatively comfortable prison with someone he hates for the rest of his life in order to survive
...
Th-thanks...

>>22520278
Literally me

>>22520025
The Chronicles of Narnia is the only one and that was back before even my parents had a cellphone.

>>22519917
Yes it sucks.

This is the first page of a novel with 14,000 5 star reviews. Anime fags and women won, it's over.

>>22520278
I don't care what wish-fulfilmentfags and self-insertrannys say bitter ends are the best

>>22520025
>Malazan (yes ALL)
>Black Company
>Dread Empire
>ASOIAF
>Realm of the Elderlings
>Wheel of time
>Traitor Son Cycle
>All the cosmere stuff thats out, I think
>The Dwarves & Alfar series
>Happry Potter
>His Dark Materials
>Red Rising series


i wont rate them all
but i will say malazan is the best and red rising is the worst

I’ve come to the realization recently that this fat lazy fuck is shamelessly derivative. I read ASOIAF years ago, thought it was good, liked the first couple seasons of the show, then dropped it when the show split from the books.
A couple months ago I picked up Tad Williams’ memory, sorrow, and thorn series. A blurb on the cover from the first in the series in from GRRM saying it “inspired him to write his own fantasy series”. I’m on the last book in the series now and have come to the conclusion that GRRM just took Williams books and added penises and swear words.
Seriously I’m not sure how he hasn’t caught major public shit over this. Some of Tad Williams characters can be exhausting, but I think he’s a way better writer and his ideas definitely came first. Any one of his series would make a better HBO show than ASOIAF, especially Otherland. God damn I hate this fat fuck.

>>22520463
oh and the bakker apocalypse series i forgot the name of it

So which one's better?

>>22520402
Fantasy for wish-fulfilment, banter, fun adventures and fights, Scifi for sharp social critique about our fucked up world.
Simple as.
Just like Ballard said
>"it is inner space, not outer, that needs to be explored. The only truly alien planet is Earth"

>>22520469
It's this image supposed to be bait or was it an accident?

>>22520473
What about scifi that resembles fantasy at the surface level?

So if sci-fantasy is a thing what would fantasy-sci be? Someone in a fantastical world that looks alien but actually is consistent with the laws of science?

>>22520469
I would say malazan straddles the line desu, it doesnt have sanderson teir rules but its no way as abstract as gandalf wizards or asoiaf whose power seems to accomplish whatever the author wants, since there is no real magic user vs magic user battles, i suppose thats why they dont flesh it out

i get why sanderson does all his rules, he wants the powers to be spread around characters in the book so the characters can use them, but if everyone just had magic like gandalf where they just do whatever and nothing was explained with resource cost/practicality it would just be a mess

i actually dont think malazan fits in the top, yes there's the ascendants who magic comes from who seemingly can do anything, but for the rest of the characters there are clear power levels and as to what they can do, its usually up to their own imagination, which warrens they can wield and the toll it takes on their body

>>22520466
asoiaf is his latest work, try some of his older books in the 1000 worlds settings, the lonely songs of larren dorr, and seven times never kill man, windhaven, dying of the light, a song for lya, sandkings, house of the white worm... asoiaf is his last series and most popular, but there is still a sizeable chunk of readers who are waiting for him to write Avalon, which was supposed to be the most definitive work in the 1000 worlds

>>22520480
Fanta-sci usually means all the magic and dragons etc. are indeed grounded in some kind of physical law.
Often the fantasy world is the result of the collapse of some insanely technologically advanced civilization, and the 'magic' left behind is merely scraps of their technology and machines.
AI-powered Satellites as gods, etc.

>>22520484
i didnt know he wrote anything else ngl
so are the 1000 worlds books shared universe setting or ?

>>22520480
Actually some decent examples are here:
>>22519911

>>22520484
Fair enough, but I also read dreamsongs and could barely work my way through it the writing was so bad. Does he have a sweet spot that’s worth reading?

>>22520466
memory sorrow and thorn is boring

>>22520494
heres the wiki definiton:

These stories take place in a universe where Earth has settled numerous planets, thus forming the Federal Empire. As they expanded, however, humanity entered into wars with two rival alien species, the Hrangans and the Fyndii. This Double War ended up destroying the empire and plunging the galaxy into chaos. The title "Thousand Worlds" is a reference to the leftover worlds and peoples of this intergalactic melee. Most of the stories are set during the post-Interregnum period, as disparate human cultures gradually regain interstellar flight and re-establish contact with one another.

basically, it is a setting of many planets after a long war that has reduced most of these planets to stone age civilsations, but people still stumble across advanced genetic engineering that was used in the wars against aliens and make use of it in a medieval manner such as in the house of the worm or windhaven, by most indications, asoiaf is also in the 1000 worlds as the dragontaming by the valyrians is said to have been effected by such genetic engineering corps, plus it has mention of bakkalon, the pale child which is a major deity in the 1000 worlds and is heavily focused on in and seven times never kill man

though there are still settings that are in advanced / galactic stages and can be experienced in a song for lya, dying of the light, sandkings, tuf voyaging

>>22520510
The first 1/3rd of the first book is a drag but I kept reading and have been really enjoying the series. Does it not have enough penises and swearing for you?

>>22520502
here are some of his works that i would recommend in order:

1. a song for lya (novella)
2. sandkings (novella)
3. lonely songs of larren dorr (novella)

the above are his best works

4. dying of the light (novel)
5. house of the worm (novella)
6. windhaven (novel)
7. and seven times never kill man (novella)
8. house of the worm (novella)
9. bitterblooms (novella)

the others are of differing qualities, will be appreciated more if you find the above to your taste

>>22520544
Thanks, I appreciate you listing that out for me. I’m screenshotting it so I can look them up later and give them a try.

Anyone else love random fables? Absolute kino in three body problem, and book of the new sun (shadow of the torturer) has a bunch. One I just read combined the founding of rome with the jungle book and somehow made it fit the overall story.

Any sailing exploration kino? preferably weeb or chink shit

>>22520614
>Any sailing exploration kino?
yes
>preferably weeb or chink shit
no

>>22519875

>>22520641
nta gimme the normal ones

>an X of Y and Z

Hey, how good or bad is Reign of The Seven Spellblades?

>continues to make /sffg/ piss and shit themselves

>>22520843
It's an anime.

>>22520947
It's a Light Novel first.

>>22520466
>Seriously I’m not sure how he hasn’t caught major public shit over this.
Because GRRM is 100% transparent and hyping up Tad Williams whenever he gets the chance. Heck we wouldn't have gotten the MS&T sequels if it weren't for him. Tad fans love GRRM.

Compare that to Fraud Hackbert's "Th-the Sabers of Paradise? N- n- never heard of it...".

You can judge the quality of a fantasy story by how relateable the themes of its world are.

>>22520523
also, to add, the genetic engineering corps sign is the theta. though the show is not canon. grrm was heavily associated with its launching; in it the Others (genetic abominations themselves) arrange the dismembered bodies in the sign of the theta

dragons in asoiaf come into the world with the coming of the comet, in tuf voyaging, there is a story where an unmanned plague spaceship of the genetic engineers is in orbit of a hostile planet, and whenever it comes close to the planet, the hostile inhabitants are affected by genetic warfare

>>22518536
Boring. Might as well ask GPT to write it for you

Alright, what's the strangest or most unusual fantasy or sci fi book you've read, that's actually good?

>six arm heavenly zombie king killer move

>>22521243
As in, unusual? I'd say it's The Great God Pan.

/SFFG/ Recommendations:

Read Reverend Insanity, Lord of The Mysteries, Neuromancer, Hyperion, The Prince of Nothing

Also read The Wandering Inn, Between Two Fires, Mother of Learning, Cradle, I Shall Seal the Heavens, A Song of Ice and Fire, The Poppy War.

/SFFG/ Recommendations: LITRPG Edition

Read Azarinth Healer, Primal Hunter, He Who Fights with Monsters, Dungeon Crawler Carl

Also read System Universe, Dissonance, Defiance of the Fall, Iron Prince.

>>22521247
where is this from?

>>22521518
two posts above

>>22521240
Whoever keeps posting this shit must have a humiliation kink

>>22521627
He's going to send the earth chief zombie Gu after you if you aren't careful

>>22521627

The experiment has been a success.

>reading LoTR for the first time
>Gandalf explains to Frodo early on the origin of Gollum
>"But how do you know this, Gandalf?"
>"Oh, I tortured him for a bit, it's whatever. Then I let him go. Also he straggled and ate babies in their cradle."
>"Wtf, why did you not kill him? Such a villain deserves not to live!"
>"Hey, come on now, bro. Not cool. Some people are killed when they should live, you ever think about that? Yeh, didn't think so. And the plot may need him in the future. Oh, also, the Enemy found and tortured him too and got all the info needed about Hobbits, the Shire, and the Ring."
the fuck is Gandalf's problem?

>>22521831
he has a big nose
I'll let you figure out the rest yourself

>>22521831
he is a knower of Illuvatar's will

>>22521835
epic post bro

>>22521842
thanks brother

>>22521831
Hmmm...

I'm leaving the USA to join The Tolkien Society.

Finished The Crippled God last night.
I was happy when Crokus finally reunited with Apsalar in the epilogue, as I had feared they'd meet some tragic ending. It's a complicated series; on the one hand it succeeded at getting me emotionally invested for many of the characters but on the other, Erikson's style kind of irked me. I can't put my finger on what it was exactly though
>The long poems at the start of every chapter from maybe House of Chains onwards
>Muh 50/50 gender equality in a sword and board army
>Everybody that likes thin or petite women instead of fatties is a pedo
are some examples.

>>22520940
Please just give me Kaladin and Syl kino, Mormon man.
He's fucking Orson Welles huge these days.

>>22519677
The 10 books to be guessed how I'll rate them and why. I'll probably be reading other books as well, but this gives a general idea what I'll be posting about over the next two months in the thread in terms of what I've read and written about. I might still get a Mecha book or two book read this month yet.

October Books
1. Red Rising
It's very popular and asked about a lot

2. Empire of Silence
This the first book of one of the most read by /sffg/ series that was published in 2022

3. Black Sun Rising
A notable and liked fantasy series with an interesting premise that has a new book after over a decade

4. Promise of Blood
For its setting, being liked, and because it's asked about relatively often.

5. The God of Endings
A vampire novel that I saw in passing that may be interesting and suitable for October

November Books
6. The Dragonbone Chair
A fantasy series that's mentioned often, perhaps more than it ought to be based on the /sffg/ ratings

7. The Curse of Chalion
Another oft-mentioned fantasy series. May as well. I didn't want to give Shards of Honour another try right now

8. Tigana
GGK is an author I want to like, but as with KSR, will that even matter? GGK is mentioned relatively often asking if he ought to be read. His reception on /sffg/ does seem mixed

9. The Throne of the Five Winds
An arbitrary pick that may go with the historical fantasy month

10. A Portrait in Shadow
A whimiscal pick about Artemisia Gentileschi because I'm reading Arte, a manga loosely about the same historical figure.

How bad is the race-swapping in the Wheel of Time Amazon series?

>>22522003
Yes.

>>22522003
white people do not exist in the tv show

>>22522003
The faces all look ai generated. So ugly jesus christ

>>22522014
Rafe will pay for this. Mark my words.

It looks just as bad as Starfield characters.

>>22522003
Rand still white
Matt still white
Moraine still white
Elayne still white, elend and Gawin will be white

Finished Well of Ascension and I have a question. If the rubbings can be changed by the evil spirit, why was did it (or someone else) remove a part of the rubbing from all copies? Can't they just change it? Why rip off the paper?

>>22522110
Oh good. Out of the 2000+ named characters in WoT we've got 6 whites.

>The Wandering Inn have 11 billion written words
What the FUCK

>>22522139
I will never ever understand the woke mind virus. You go back just a couple years to Game of Thrones and all the characters in the room would be white. This would NEVER EVER happen today. Even if they're extras they make sure to include a person of almost every race in every scene. How did things change this much in just a couple years?? It boggles the mind.

>>22522003
>>22522139
Moiraine is still a hot white cougar so i don't care.

>>22522003
I wonder how the Rand actor feels about this. He probably thought he struck gold with a leading role only to be sidelined.

How consistent and coherent is the Dragonlance series?

>>22522341
Isn't moiraine a lesbian
I stopped reading that trash book when egwene became insufferable around b5

No author has made me hate women as much as Robert Jordan, was he a protochud or just a shit author?

>>22522341
>Moiraine is still a hot
Not at all. You must be blind.

>>22522358
Yeah.

>>22522328
leftism. not limited to this event only, since it's a degenerative ideology that spreads and furthers its rot constantly, but still important:
>Tumblr bans porn
>mass exodus of crazy tumblrinas to Twitter
>Twitter is the place where all the normie(ish) creatives congregate
>tumblrites push their shit there and shift the public talk to their talking points
>kaboom, big spike in race focus and trannery, pronouns, fat acceptance and the like

>>22522328
Larry Fink pasta. Someone post it

>>22522350
Implied lesbo in her past, she ends up with Thom at the end.
>>22522358
Bit of both, literally all of his female characters where based on his mother and/or his wife.

>>22522358
From what I heard, his books become pretty tedious later on

>>22522448
The tedium is mostly from endless chapters of obnoxious women who deserve to be strangled

>>22522346
It has retcons and multiple continuities.
https://dragonlancenexus.com/chronological-product-list/

>>22522479
>multiple continuities
Except they don't? Unless You mean the shitty non-canon prelude series who turned the companions of the lance into fantasy justice league

>>22522343
Didn't they try to make it a weird sort of 'mystery' who the chosen one is when it's... Clearly Rand in the books and they never try to hide that fact?

>>22522507
>the shitty non-canon prelude series
Which one is that?

>>22522545
This one, Tanis: the shadow years and riverwind: the plainsman are the only ones that could fit in the canon.
>https://www.goodreads.com/series/49334-dragonlance-preludes
And the sequel series.
>https://www.goodreads.com/series/41067-dragonlance-meetings-sextet

Is science fiction better than fantasy?

What am i in for?

>>22522629
>>/lit/?task=search2&search_text=new+sun&search_tripcode=sffg&search_ord=old

>>22522595
You just unlocked a bunch of my memories. I read almost all of those prelude books as a kid.

>>22522654
Same here, and old forgotten realms novels too.

>>22522623
Higher peaks than fantasy that's for sure. So many mediocre fantasy books by white women in their 20s that somehow find success, but it's harder for scifi reach that fame unless it's written much better.

>>22522429
This image is hilarious.

Speaking of sci-fi... I've never really dived into it. I've read Childhood's End by Arthur C. Clarke and about 1/3rd of Hyperion, but that was at least ten years ago and I haven't picked up a sci-fi novel since. Where should I start (I am not reading Dune).?

>>22522838
Children of Time

>>22522838
The Stars my Destination
>>22523032
>Modern scifi
Haha

>>22522838
You should start by not just listening to the first random thing anyone tells you.

How large should a paragraph be, normally?

>>22523032
Looks interesting, but I think I'll go with what >>22523056 suggested first, because I prefer standalones to series.
>>22523062
Then why should I listen to you?

what are some books that take place largely in snowy mountain locales

>>22521240
Is this a litrpg? How do people shovel this slop into their mouths like addicts? Fucking christ

>>22523123
Magic Mountain by Thomas Mann

>>22520469
depends entirely on the aims of the author and the book
the picture even literally explains this

>>22519694
99% of those channels exist to drive engagement and attract eyes, not to actually teach
don't take any retards advice unless they're a proven and established author and even then, take it with a grain of salt

Books with women accepting their fate and being subservient?

>>22523182
According to reddit the sword of truth. Idk I never read that shit

>>22522838
The Dragon Never Sleeps by Glen Cook . If you like it read Passage of Arms, Shadowline, Starfishers, and Stars End in that order as it’s all apart of the same universe.

Got struck with the urge to try and find a series I read the first book of in middle school. Can’t remember the name or author, but the gist was the MC, through classic seventh son of seventh son bs (or similar, this was like 12 years ago) was being exposed to classic world of monsters and spirits and stuff. I remember he was being hunted by a fetch or other shapeshifting creature, and his main allies were a ghost kid and a churchyard grim

I only read the first book, but is that ringing bells for anyone?

>>22523350
I've only watched the show but in that one the guy is the sub and women are sadist doms

>>22523401
Was that the Septimus Heap series, maybe?

>>22521243
Dichronauts

>>22522360
Wrong. She has qt wrinkles

>>22520278
What is the book?

sci fi after the 80s seems so boring

>>22520466
>The trouble with many talented quote unquote writers that I have worked with is that they produce practically nothing. They have quite a bit of talent. Their work when they do it is good, but they produce two short stories a year.

>>22523595
She's a hag. Moiraine isn't supposed to look like a hag.

>>22523595
You will never have sex with an old woman.

>>22523401
Not the book you're looking for, but try 13 Days of Midnight by Leo Hunt for something similar.

>>22522360
She is an attractive older woman

>>22520466
Weird, I read Dragonbone Chair and half of Stone of Farewell because he said he was inspired by the series and after I dropped it I came to the conclusion that he lied about being inspired by them.

>>22522520
Yeh and? What's the problem with doing that? Rand is clearly the dragon reborn and the signs were there even if you were not a bookfag, it's called storytelling.

>>22523658
>more novels = better writer

>>22523781
I'm one of the few writers who has written more books then they have read

What are some good fantasy books/series for 5-7 grade boys?

>>22520466
Otherland book 1 is a massive waste of time, I would not recommend Mr. Williams

>>22520536
NTTA but I really enjoyed the first bit with Simon in the castle. I kinda want a comfy low stakes fantasy like that

>He stirred first. I nearly woke as he rose, gingerly shook himself, and then stretched more bravely. His superior sense of smell told me that the edge of dawn was in the air. The weak sun had just begun to touch the dew-wet grasses., waking the smells of the earth. Game would be stirring. The hunting would be good.
>I’m so tired, I complained. . . Rest a while longer. We’ll hunt later.
>You’re tired? I’m so tired that rest won’t ease me. Only the hunt. I felt his wet nose poke my cheek. It was cold. Aren’t you coming? I was sure you’d want to come with me.
>I do. I do. But not just yet. Give me just a bit longer.
>Very well, little brother. Just a bit longer. Follow me when you will.
>. . .But my mind rode with him, as it had so many times. . . swiftly we left the camp behind. . . We walked the spine of the hill, smelling the morning. . . there would be deer in the forested creek bottoms. They would be healthy and strong and fat, a challenge to any pack, let along a single wolf. He would need me at his side to hunt those. He would have to come back for them later. Nevertheless, he halted on the top of the ridge. The morning wind riffled his fur and his ears were perked as he looked down to where we knew they must be.
>Good hunting. I’m going now, my brother. He spoke with great determination.
>Alone? You can’t bring a buck down alone! I sighed with resignation. Wait, I’ll get up and come with you.
>Wait for you? Not Likely! I’ve always had to run ahead of you and show you the way.
>Swift as thought, he slipped away from me, running down the hillside like a cloud’s shadow when the wind blows. My connection to him frayed as he went, scattering and floating like dandelion fluff in the wind.
>. . . “Wait!” I cried, and in shouting the word, I woke myself. . . my fingers buried deep in his coat. I clutched him to me and my grip sighed his last stilled breath from his lungs. But he was gone. Cold rain was cascading down past the mouth of the cave.

>>22523862
nighteyes bros....

>>22523862
What faggot shit is this?

>>22523862
>Alone? You can’t bring a buck down alone! I sighed with resignation. Wait, I’ll get up and come with you.

Thoughts on Red Rising?

>>22524463
First three are good, then you have a phase where there are a couple of fuck ups and the characters take time to find themselves. Overall I enjoy it but I enjoy the easy reads as much as the difficult ones so it’s really up to you.

Just read a full novel front to back in a day for the first time in a long time. Readingbros... we're back.

>>22524275
Realm of the ElderSneeds

Hey, I'm looking for a really funny harem fantasy novel series. Drop recs if you have them.

How do you avoid just dumping exposition? How do you "show don't tell" while also not leaving it so barebones it's incomprehensible? You're writing a whole world after all

>>22524683
Magic's Mantle - only one book so far since it's a very new series but it is the only one I can think of that is genuinely funny. That's not a common style for those kind of books.

>>22524765
Use the tad williams approach and make the first 250 pages of your book a comfy slice of slice

>>22522003
look at the dome on that Nynaeve bitch holy shit, fucking disgusting

>>22524765
Read Gene Wolfe.

>>22524988
What about Jack Vance? Or Clark Ashton Smith? Just started WoT when does it gets good? Is severian autistic? Any good gay harem novels? Will slob Martin finish winds of winter?

400ish pages into The Hero of Ages and holy fucking shit, the twists, turns, secrets and revelations have been insane so far.

>>22523519
I think I read some of that in the same time frame, but sadly no this one was modern fantasy. Guy got prescient powers and saved his life after someone accidentally hit the back of his chair with a welding torch or something

Fantasy or sci-fi with a strong slow-burn romance subplot?

>>22525219
do women really

>>22525006
About to finish Well of Ascension and surprised by how much I'm enjoying it, I'm glad I don't listen to /lit/

>>22525188
Yes, but only if the woman was/is evil

>>22525248

>>22525006
>>22525229
This is what happens when you listen to a vocal minority and your view of reality becomes distorted. Sanderson is among the most read and liked author here.

>>22525272
nah, it's the other way around, a vocal minority of you retards can stomach his garbage and want to tell the world, the rest of us just don't care to talk about him anymore

>>22525272
You are a homosexual
Go to >>>/lgbt/ and don't come back.

>>22525248
Imagine taking the collar off of vette

anybody here read The Transall Saga by Gary Paulson?

>>22519610
Did you get the hat?

>>22525003
Vance is fine too

I read way too many slop from Royalroad and Scribblehub and now my standards are at deep sea level. What do I do? I've already read some of the classics like Lord of Rings

>>22518480
Ironclads - Adrian Tchaikovsky (2017
)
This novella, from start to finish, is about a rescue mission told after the fact. The narrator, Sergeant Ted Regan, even directly addresses that he's telling a story at one point. As far as I could tell he seems to be a reliable narrator, so this being a frame story is more a stylistic choice than anything else. So, Regan and his men have been ordered to rescue a scion of one of the most powerful corporations. Scion is both what he is and also what they call the exosuits they use. That's not what's shown on the cover. They have mechs, but most of the fighting is between infantry, vehicles, scions, and a gunship. The rescue mission takes place in the newest US corporate target, Sweden. Along the way there's various mishaps, duplicity, and shifting allegiances. This isn't only a story about machines though, as there also bioengineered humans with animal characteristics and other augmentations.

Considering the length of this novella there's a lot of background info, world history, and general worldbuilding that's done. The story takes sometime in the mid to late 21st century where because all of the climate disasters and other catastrophes corporations have started literal wars against other corporations to maximize their holdings and profits. Governments have been relegated to a lesser position. The US has become a theocratic fascist state that has removed the rights previously held by most of its citizens, especially women and non-whites. They don't really mind that the corporations wage war on Canadian, Mexican, and the other American corporations. The national governments of those being invaded don't seem mind as much as one would think.

Thematically this is anti-war, corporate, elite, theocratic, fascists and much else. That's mostly expressed through polemics, the book says so, and somewhat through what happens. Again, it's a rescue mission, so they're mostly just traveling from one point to another looking for the guy. There's not really much to it in terms of plot, but that's to be expected due to its length. It doesn't really show off much of it what it talks about because of how constrained it is. It's all elsewhere. Why it's so restricted is explained by the narrative and makes perfect sense, butI think the realism in this case got in the way of being cool and fun. I would've liked it more if it wasn't so straightforward until the the reveal at the end which is entirely thematically appropriate. All in all, it's fine. I don't feel strongly either way about it.

Rating: 3/5

>>22525633
read hyperion to start working your way back up, it's a slopkino hybrid

>>22525640
your """reviews""" are SHIT. fuck off

>>22525745
Oh, nice. Are you ready to return to your usual duties? It's to be seen whether I can get back into a regular schedule of reading after doing so much with The Big Book of Cyberpunk.

My normie friends are constantly shilling me books with fags, queer or the like. Think about those shitty books written by women in the main page on Goodreads.
No, I don't want to relate to faggots in my fantasy and I'm not a chud for that

>>22525797
That's the problem with having to self-insert and not having an open mind if you feel you must do so.

>>22525272

what is the most horny book you have read?

>>22525812
I only self insert when I'm reading straight up erotica though.

>>22525812
>having to self-insert
Why MUST some people self insert? Fucking retarded npc shit

>>22525785
Just kys

>>22525865
Why not? I wanna be a cool guy who saves people. Though I wouldn't self insert in shit books like bakker's.

>>22525828
would you consider Ringworld as a contender for the most horny book? Cause I don't remember that much horniness compared to other sci fi

>>22525908
>I wanna be a cool guy
>who saves people.

The Game Players of Titan was a nice read, up until the ending.
I found an obscure altchan. No literature board, of course. :(

>>22525946
wu fucked the girl
but now i remember, it was in the sequels he fucked all the aliens

>>22525828
I can't decide, so I'll put all of the Gene Wolfe books I've ever read on a board and throw a dart.

Did the Feds shutdown the honeypot known as 4chan to record IPs, again?

>>22522629
>Book of the New Sun

I have a relative that is the most voracious reader imaginable and this is his favorite book. He highly recommends it but I haven't read it since fantasy novels aren't really my thing. More of a current era/near future sci-fi reader myself. (With exceptions like The Culture series, Murderbot and 40k)

>>22526132
no, but image loading has been fucked for weeks now

>>22526141
>voracious reader
i hope you drown in sand

>>22523032
>Children of Time

>tfw A bugs life in space

I read it all the way through but I won't be reading any further in the series. .....yeeuch!

>>22522838
Player of Games by Ian Banks

Spin by Robert Charles Wilson

Those are big sprawling books. If you want to start with something a little smaller and more bite sized try All Systems Red by Martha Wells.

>>22526132
probably some kind of ddos. Just go into your history and load an old page and get in from there.

Mark Twain wrote The Adventures of Tom Sawyer 150 years ago and perfected cave exploration, dungeoneering, pirateering, and a whole host of other things which people to this day struggle to write about in a compelling way. What a difference a good author makes. I just wish there were fantasy authors who tackled these subjects with as much skill as Twain, but really when you separate the wheat from the chaff, all you're left with is a couple Robert E. Howard and N.C. Wyeth stories, here and there a story by Vance, one story by Wolfe, and of course Tolkien. Why is one of the most fundamental aspects of fantasy (exploration) so largely skipped over? Everybody just seems to assume writing about it would be a bore, but all that really says about these authors is that they're just not good enough to make it interesting. I will say I'd rather not read a bad author's attempt at writing exploration, so I guess I should thank them for sparing me.

>>22526207
Oh, and I forgot to mention, there is one story by Lovecraft that hits the nail right on the head: The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath.

>>22526207
Most fantasy today is either self insert sexy romance or worldbuilding porn. It's all tropes and predictable boxes to check. It's kind of like the state of anime. Its more about how well one can execute the tropes than carving new ground. At least that's how I see it.

>>22525272
>>22525307
Is there not room for the middleground that finds his dialogue terrible, his characters repetitive but his plots, magic and storytelling (except for Rhythm of War, fuck that was terrible) interesting?

>>22526264
Indeed, there is. I've read 40 things from him and my most commonly they fall into the middleground for me. Who knows why I've read so much from him.

>>22526247
Stray off the beaten paths sometime.

>author kills a character
>he's magically revived a few chapters later
Hack authors can't help themselves can they

Any of E William Brown's Paypiggies in here?
Did he say when we are getting audiobooks for his Alabama book?

>>22526147
>voracious reader
>i hope you drown in sand

What word would use to describe someone who reads a lot of books then?

>>22526564
Eh. Depends on how it is done.

Brent Weeks did it and its shit. GRRM did it and it feels less shit. Tolkien did it and it felt right.

>>22526207
You forgot Edgar Burroughs. "Chronicles of Mars" is the best sci fi/fantasy series I ever read. For some reason I find the genius scientist Ras Tavas who turned himself into a femboy, has zero indications of a moral compass and provided plot hooks for several books with his insane experiments, while suffering absolutely no repercussions and technically being one of the good guys, to be extremely fun and compelling. It's such a simple "I do everything FOR SCIENCE" archetype, but it's so well executed and charming...

>>22526207
have you read Moers?

>>22525828
Wheel of time probably
Everyone fucks
There's also a series written by the guy who wrote the red knight
It's like magic in ancient Rome
But the magic school is like horny Hogwarts and the kids go to orgies and shit. Mc is a farmboy with a big dick

>>22519366

Who does boats better
Hobb or Erikson?

>>22522327
you underestimate webnovel autisms

>>22526659
Jack Vance

>>22522327
And the Inn Keeper still hasn't been killed. Pacifist bitch should have been raped and eaten by the goobos
>digs graves for enemies with bare hands
>such emotion
>much human
>many wow

>>22526671
Really?

I'm reading this right now and here are my thoughts (about half way done with tbe book):
>Caroline and Fred remind me of Leela and Fry from futurama which is killing my immersion and vibe because I keep laughing and reading their dialogue in the cartoony voices
>The premise of the book's intelligence taking over is awesome but severely ruined by Asimov's laws rotting their way into an otherwise cool scifi premise
>The death jocky stuff is pretty awesome and edgy which is fun, but a lot of it comes off as though I'm listening to a youtuber try and teach me about "the first guy to hit level 99 woodcutting in runescape" and the author pretends everyone in the universe cares about runescape
>Breaking the laws of physics and giving the AI ftl teleportation is retarded and further ruins the fun
otherwise the book is awesome and probably my 2nd favorite sci fi book so far.

>>22523750
How did you get that from MS&T? Say whatever you want about it but saying that it didn't inspire ASOIAF is outright wrong

>>22518480
warning warning too based too based

>>22520536
>not enjoying the comfy castle life kino in the beginning
ngmi

Jokes aside, I love MST

I'm looking for a story that used to be listed on goodreads. It must have gotten banned, because I remember it was in a list together with Street Cultivation and I checked out all the lists and it's not there.
As for why I think it got removed from the site? In the story cultivators would stay at the perfect body age for cultivation (they always stay looking as children) with MC being the freak that looks older. So essentially legal lolis heroines with perfect self insert older looking male MC.

>>22525006
>>22525229
Started reading the Well of Ascension last year and dropped it when the first chapter was an MCU scene (complete with lame quips, "badass" strong female and action

>>22526770
what kind of first chapter should be to keep you reading further?

>>22525812
I don't have to self-insert to know I don't enjoy gay shit on a visceral level. What an absolute faggot take

>>22526775
I just don't find mindless action entertaining. I like it if the stakes are high, there's ambiguity to how safe the characters are, if I care about the characters or all of the above. If I know that le bad bitch is gonna get through it without breaking a sweat I lose interest.

That being said, I left my post incomplete. I wanted to ask whether it was worth it to push through?

I don't know what to read next. I love Lem, but I'm not in the mood for more existentialism. I just finished reading Ellisons' Blood's a Rover, which reignited that Fallout flame, but I already read A Canticle for Leibowitz. Adjacent to that is the stalker world, but I've just recently read Roadside Picnic, and as far as Metro goes, I'm content with just having played the videogames. I love Heinlein, but I've already read enough from him for the time being and I want to read something from someone else, same for Dick, same for Vonnegut, same for Clarke. I don't like Asimov. Mixed feelings on Gibson, and the most modern book I read was Stations of the Tide, which I really didn't like. I'm tempted to read The Three Body Problem, but I'd rather stick to stuff that withstood the test of time. Suggestions?

>>22526659
Sherwood Smith

>>22525908
like it said, npc shit

>>22526802
>Stations of the Tide, which I really didn't like
>he didn't like learning how to hands-free orgasm

>>22526751
I don't consider superficial similarities when comparing books. The only similarities I noticed were so surface level that they were irrelevant.
I could be wrong though, it's been a while since I read A Game of Thrones. Maybe GRRM's writing style is highly influenced by Williams but I kinda doubt it.

>>22526770
WoA was before the MCU, moron. You have capeshit brainrot.

"time to make a bad post in /sffg/" - Jackie Daytona

>>22526746
okay I'm done. I've never been happier to finish a book so good. I'm tempted to burn it just so I never read it again.
This book was amazing and deserved better than hunger-games tier prose.

>>22526797
>I like it if the stakes are high, there's ambiguity to how safe the characters are, if I care about the characters or all of the above.
post examples

>>22526746
side note: I kept laughing imaging Fry and Leela as Fred and Caroline, which kinda killed the immersion when the author spent 30 pages on the parts where Caroline gets raped to death, skinned alive, and infected by rabbies and left to die in bondage at the bottom of an empty pit.

>>22521690
A six year old writes better stories than this.

>>22524765
how do I unselect this frog

>it's a the strong female mc has to disguise herself as a courtesan or dancer to get past the bad guys episode
any recommendations for this kino trope?

>>22526797
Odd that you think woa doesn't have stakes

>>22527681
every David Cage game. Also Judgment (Yakuza spin-off game)

>>22527771
thanks, but i was mainly interested in fantasy series with this theme

310

Recommend me hard sci fi. I like the kind where the author cites sources at the end like an autist to convince everyone he's on point regarding the science being presented.

wrs8dy>>22528006
I was going to recommend Firefall before noticing your pic

>>22528049
I loved blindsight but couldn't handle the sequels and stopped midway through echoparaxia. Starfish was neat but didn't finish it either. Blindsight is the GOAT sci fi novel imo.

>>22526936
If I wanted that kind of literature I'd go on the sadpanda, if you catch my drift. Besides, I don't like magic in my scifi, not to mention I really disliked how that book was written.

>>22528006
https://www.gregegan.net/index.html
Scroll to the bottom, pick a book, read it and/or look at the technical notes on that site.

Are there any books about a male protagonist, but it's a first contact story, but the other alien species already established a galactic committee, so you get segments of the MC entering the space station for the first time, or entering a major alien settlement for the first time kind of scenes.

>>22522429
Wow

>>22528554
Rendezvous with Rama

Maybe also try Anvil of Stars though that's a sequel to The Forge of God, a more traditional first contact story.

>>22519311
I'd disagree with that other poster and say it's just Book 3 that's shit. Book 2 is good, but it promises you an Ocean's 11 style heist and then makes a left turn into a pirate story for half the book so I think that pissed off a lot of readers. Book 4 is never coming out and after struggling through 3 I don't even care about the crappy stakes that have been set up.

Book 1 is great though and still worth a read.