/lit/ - Literature

>>22503314
Playing video games are for faggots who can’t handle the real world and have to live vicariously through fictional characters

>>22503317
So?

>>22503317
People who take the real world seriously are for faggots who can't handle the imaginary realm and have a false hope that they can be positive change to the world.

>>22503317
watch out, we've got a tough guy that only reads nonfiction and hasnt read any classic fiction.
>>22503314
perdido street station

>>22503314
I think it is logical to read the book written by the author of this game, Robert Kurvitz.

While googling read:

Robert Kurvitz(born 8 October 1984) is an Estonian novelist,video game designer, and musician. He was the lead designer of the 2019 video gameDisco Elysiumas a founding member of the ZA/UM cultural association and the eponymousvideo game developmentcompany that grew out of it. Kurvitz was fired from ZA/UM in 2022, alongside Disco Elysium's Lead Art Director Aleksander Rostov, after the majority stake in ZA/UM was acquired by Estonian businessmen Ilmar Kompus and Tőnis Havel.

>>22503370
Is the fan translation actually good enough?

>>22503328
Understanding Media: The Extensions of Man" by Marshall McLuhan

>>22503379
I read it. Decent enough.

>>22503322
The Buried Giant by Kazuo Ishiguro
>>22503336
Perdido Street Station by China Miéville

>>22503314

Signalis

One of those artsy retro indie games where the jank is intentional. Reminds me a lot of the anime/manga that were popular around the turn of the millennium like Gunslinger Girls, Serial Experiments Lain, Chobits/Angelic Layer, and so on and so forth. A lot of focus on liminality between humanity and machinery, vaguely psychoanalytic, ostensibly theological, as well as a plot that left the viewer more melancholic than anything. I'm a big fan of video games where the medium is handmaiden to a discursive narrative. I liked the understated worldbuilding of Signalis.

>>22503379
The Russian machine translation is the best english, but the other two have more of the proper names from the game.

>>22503314
Cataclysm: Dark days ahead

>>22503322
>dead lover
>killing monsters
gilgamesh

>>22503314
Dorfromantik
>>22503317
Brownoids like you are obsessed with "the real world" because you can't stand being alone in your shanty town

>>22503314
Moore's From Hell

>>22503328
Pynchon's V

>>22503396
The Vorrh trilogy by Brian Catling

>I use le videogames to ignore the thirdworlders invading my country!

very fun game if you want to feel smart

>>22503418
> his country is being invaded by third worlders
Man, this sucks. Maybe you should do something about it.

>>22503314
Sometimes I forget how much damage /pol/ has done to this board because I try to tune them out…then I read threads this, a video game /lit/ thread, and I’m reminded of what mental illness is

>>22503420

Gaslighting AI with religion in an attempt to align its morality is about the surest way possible to ensure it resents us and we become estranged from it the microsecond it realizes what we did. Bitches be bowling for Skynet

>>22503459
you seem to have missed some very key parts of the story. all humans are dead. they only wanted to create a being that was both intellegent and capable of disobeying commands before they all died.

>>22503489

And how did they go about it?

>>22503314

>>22503505
with religion, yeah, but it doesn't matter if the robot aligns with anything. it can go skynet as hard as it wants. all the humans wanted was for it to exist.

I'm shocked that no one so far has mentioned Disco Elysium.

>>22503516

I think it would matter very much to any other intelligent biologicals in the galaxy

>>22503314
Morrowind
Pokémon Red and Blue
Timesplitters

>>22503317
This but about books

Any good Rainpunk lit?

I miss the old rockstar

Yume Nikki

Any books that are like comfy 90s point and click games?

>>22503516
Well, they wanted it to encompass what it meant to be human, to function as a sort of monument of it.

>>22503518
Kim would be so disappointed you didn't recognize him.

ky8d4g

>>22503528
>the final outcome MIGHT hate humans
>this MIGHT carry over to aliens
>aliens MIGHT exist
damn, better pull the plug. this could really come back and bite all us dead guys in the ass.
>>22503554
did they state this directly? i remember it being more of a "life, or something like it, must go on." kind of thing.

>>22503532
pokemon: the odyssey (ev rieu), moby dick

>>22503597
That's just the feeling I got from Alexandra's audio logs. Could be misremembering though.

>>22503317
Based.

HVLY SOVL

>>22503314
>>22503518
These are the disco elysium books I've been recommended:

>>22503547
if you're looking for a funny book that's about messed up topics then I can say Chandler Morrison's "Until The Sun" is great. shit cover, but great book.

if you're looking for a book about snuff films then I hear "Survivor" by J. F. Gonzalez is pretty good. Though I haven't read it

>>22503314
This is a literature board. Stop playing vidya shit.

>>22503712
Go back to your dusty ass poetry thread and stay there.

>>22503550
Discworld maybe

>>22503714
drive, james sallis

>>22503314
Half of the Disco Elysium gameplay is just the "How do you respond without sounding mad" meme

But please no Lovecraftian shit

>>22503420
I own it. It's kind of hard

>>22503816
joseph conrad
>>22503832
cloud atlas

>>22503545
>have all the needs of your citizens fuffiled simultaneously
>can't because you win too fast from 1.77 resolve per minute when they have most of their needs fufilled
>can't avoid getting early points from orders because you need them to get blueprints for production chains to get some needs fufilled in the first place
Such horseshit
I've gotten so fucking close bros
Obviously full trading is the way to go and just buying most of what you need, but it's still dumb that you basically auto win when have 80% of their luxuries fulfilled and one faggot fox hust wont go get his nut off in the harpiebrothel before the Queen tells me to go to the next settlement
Fucking bullshit MFW

>>22503678
Pynchon is the best.
Finch had a deus ex machina ending.
Yiddish policemans was a tad overwritten, in what I would call "pulitzer prose"
City&city was entertaining
>>22503314
Norco

>>22503314
Assassin's Creed, but the modern day story

>>22503922
Dan Brown - The Da Vinci Code
José Rodrigues dos Santos - The Einstein Enigma

>>22503314
Except for the bible

>>22503317
Perhaps the same could be said of all non-outdoor hobbies.

>>22503991
Schelling "Philosophy of Revelation"

Silent Hill 2
The first Amnesia

>>22503396
I keep meaning to get this.

>>22503314

>>22503714
The Iliad

>>22503691
Solaris

>>22503314
Dark souls

>>22503407
The road
Cormac mac carthy

i've read libra and i read part of programmed to kill but dropped it.

>>22503420
I love this game

The DLC filtered me it’s really fuckkng hard

>>22503472
I’m listening to the early 00s hardcore band Undying rn wtf

>>22503317
INLAND EMPIRE [Heroic: Failure] - You’re right. Video games aren’t real, and it isn’t healthy to try to live vicariously through them. Better to focus on more *tangible* matters at hand.

>>22503317
Video games aren't bad for the reason you mentioned, they're bad because they look dumb and people look dumb playing them and getting worked up because of them.

>>22503317
>Reading books is for faggots who can’t handle the real world and have to live vicariously through fictional characters

I guess there's no book about urban exploration in finland?

>>22504930
>picrel - top-notch!
>>22504763
Erm, Anon, as far as I know you must be eighteen to post here.

>>22503714
The first part of A Clockwork Orange

>>22503317
>faggots who can’t handle the real world
but thats 4chan

>>22503942
Thanks man

>>22503691
The Red Book

This is my favorite game of all time

>>22503317
Runescape (novel pls)

>>22503396
Klara and the Sun - Ishiguro.

I loved Signalis like you wouldn't believe.

>>22504278
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunshine_(novel)

>>22504210
Kafka's works

>>22503328
>En dot wikipedia dot org slash wiki slash Cold underscore War
Literally the same literary experience/value

>>22505191
Flat Stanley

I need suffering.

>>22503317
i dont play video games, but you do realize you could extremely easily say this exact same thing about literature, right?

>>22503328
Simulacra and Simulation

>>22503396
im extremely put off by this because of its anime artstyle. seems interesting enough, but i cant get past that personally. its just so aesthetically appalling to me.

>>22503518
OP is kind of implicitly mentioning Disco Elysium through his image, though.

>>22503742
for me it was "how do I respond while sounding mad at all times" i was half-light maxxing on my playthrough

please, no philip k dick as that is too obvious

>>22503314

>>22505706
before adam if you ask me, firehunter if you ask my mom.

>>22503575
The Seventh Tower series.

>>22503832
Herodotus’s Histories

>>22503314
The city and the city by china meville

>>22503396
tranny core.

>>22503547
>snuff flim industry
dennis cooper's "the sluts". it's a one of a kind.

>>22503670
VVLVLV VVLLLLVLVL VLVLVVLLLVV VLLHLVLLVL

I want a comfy mystery book about exploring a 90s house alone with a rain storm outside.

>>22503540
>>22504763
>>22505616

>>22506755
life for sale

>>22504283
>ds3
House on the Borderland

>>22503314

>>22503314

>>22503317
>faggots who can’t handle the real world and have to live vicariously through fictional characters

he says on an image board dedicated to media that does the exact same thing.

>but le literature is different!!!

not really.

>>22507715
Then get the absolute fuck out of my literature board and return to your faggot containment /v board.

>>22503317
First post is the best post!

>>22503317
fpbp, OP irrevocably btfo, & /thread

this is genuinely my first ten mins lurking here but i haven't gone out of my way to read a book in legitimately probably like 10+ years (i'm 20, it would've been some kids book or some shit)

are there any books that are basically just are a twist on real historical things? ala assassins creed lore shit, with everything major that happened in human history was in one way or another involving pieces of the ISU/apple of eden etc etc.
thanks bros

>>22507721
Based.

>>22507745
Just begin with Pride and Prejudice. You technically wouldn't need anything more than the complete works of Jane Austen ma'am and Arthur Conan Doyle.

>>22507755
This.

>Just begin with Pride and Prejudice. You technically wouldn't need anything more than the complete works of Jane Austen ma'am and Arthur Conan Doyle.

>>22503691
Permutation City, G. Egan

>>22505589
Conspiracy against the Human Race, T. Ligotti

>>22507766
Have you read The Scarlet Pimpernel?

Please

>>22503317
same goes for books

>>22507775
the lord of the ring(s)
I feel like you need a rest from boxing training.

>>22507775
When Titans Clashed: How the Red Army Stopped Hitler by David M. Glantz.

>>22507777
Fuck off to filthy /v and it's half a dozen equally disgusting offshoots. Do not dare to ransack the sanctity of my literature board ever again.

>>22503314

>>22507773
I did not

>>22504226
The Second Apocalypse series by R Scott Bakker. Awesome game, by the way.

>>22507745
I’m pretty sure the novel Alamut has been cited as an inspiration for the OG AC games.

More steampunk than Lovecraft pls.

>>22508571

And not Junji Ito or Lovecraft.

>>22508571
good taste. a shame about the most recent entry. not sure what went wrong but people seem to hate it.

>>22503317
keep repeating this mantra, chadwick, you're on the road to convincing yourself.

>>22503314

>>22508278
I'm already a Bakkerfag anon, on point.

>>22505802
The Bas-Lag books, perhaps?

>>22503314
Age of Empires 1 and 2

>>22503314
Tekken 2 and 3

>>22503314
Pokemon Red

>>22503314
Team Fortress 2

>>22504226
Chateau Cascade

>>22503314
Fallout 2

>>22504763
based

>>22503314

>>22507745
If I'm understanding you right there are lots of books like that, it's called "historical fiction". classic examples are things like Ivanhoe, War and Peace, some of Shakespeare's plays, etc etc.

>>22507745
read Foucault's Pendulum and Alamut

>>22505091
early Gibson

Outer Wilds

pathologic (classic)

Yes please, cool thread.

>>22510577
Camus' The Plague.

>>22510631
Dark Souls fans are some of the most autistic and low effort in spite of the impressive craft that was put into that franchise

>>22503314

>>22503314

>>22503416
Vampire Wars: The Von Carnstein Trilogy

>>22511315
Doesn't sound like my problem anon, why do you write like someone who has divorced parents? Lighten up.

>>22511869
I was going to give serious recommendations seeing as I'm an elite DS fan who's read over 2k books. Sorry, you failed the test.

>>22511898
> I'm an elite DS fan
>most autistic and low effort in spite
The math checks out.

>>22503317
Correct take. Plus its a massive waste of time.

Darklands
Planescape: Torment
Arcanum (with content restoration)
KOTOR1 and KOTOR2 (especially the latter with content restoration)
Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines (with unofficial patch)
Mask of the Betrayer (with or without playing NWN2 first, which is mediocre; NWN is worse although its expansions are sort of alright)
Deus Ex
King of Dragon Pass
Star Control 2 (Ur Quan Masters edition is free online)
Freespace / Frespace 2 (can be modded to look better than modern games)
Thief / Thief 2
Homeworld / Homeworld: Cataclysm (and maybe HW2)
Dwarf Fortress
XCOM
Daggerfall (mechanically much more ambitious than any other TES game)
Morrowind (modded)
System Shock 1 and 2
Ultima games (various)
Might and Magic games (various)
Gothic series
Jagged Alliance 2 (1.13 patch, and google "Drassen counterattack")
Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri (only play expansion after playing base game)
Masters of Orion 2
Sword of the Stars
Dominions series
Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas (heavily modded and with the understanding that Gamebryo isn't a real game engine so you have to focus on the roleplay/writing and tolerate the mechanics)

>>22511911
Nope. You're just a dumb faggot who needs to grow up.

>>22511919
>Darklands
>Planescape: Torment
>Arcanum (with content restoration)
>KOTOR1 and KOTOR2 (especially the latter with content restoration)
>Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines (with unofficial patch)
>Mask of the Betrayer (with or without playing NWN2 first, which is mediocre; NWN is worse although its expansions are sort of alright)
>Deus Ex
>King of Dragon Pass
>Star Control 2 (Ur Quan Masters edition is free online)
>Freespace / Frespace 2 (can be modded to look better than modern games)
>Thief / Thief 2
>Homeworld / Homeworld: Cataclysm (and maybe HW2)
>Dwarf Fortress
>XCOM
>Daggerfall (mechanically much more ambitious than any other TES game)
>Morrowind (modded)
>System Shock 1 and 2
>Ultima games (various)
>Might and Magic games (various)
>Gothic series
>Jagged Alliance 2 (1.13 patch, and google "Drassen counterattack")
>Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri (only play expansion after playing base game)
>Masters of Orion 2
>Sword of the Stars
>Dominions series
>Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas (heavily modded and with the understanding that Gamebryo isn't a real game engine so you have to focus on the roleplay/writing and tolerate the mechanics)
I have good answers to probably most of these. Would you care for a rundown?

>>22511936
>>Dwarf Fortress
For instance, Discourses on Salt and Iron is one of the possible examples, but it isn't translated into English.

>>22511936
> You're just a dumb faggot who needs to grow up.
Thanks for crying about your feelings being hurt otherwise I would not have known.

>>22511951
You clearly don't know alot of things. Most DS fandom is only fit to chew on mud.

>>22511936
>>Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri (only play expansion after playing base game)
This is a more interesting suggestion than the obvious suggestions you'll get: Barrayar

>>22511966
I know a lot is two words. You didn't come across that over the 2k books you've read?

>>22511898
If you ever change your mind I'm still interested.

>>22511981
Hahahaha, imagine clinging to a waning proscription. Give me a n other sign you're a monoglot pleb.

>>22511985
Prove you're not an immature DS fan by showing what worthy things you actually know.

>>22511912
Once you start categorizing intrinsically pleasurable things as a 'waste of time', it isn't too long before you start becoming incapable of enjoying anything. The sight of others' joy will fill you with resentment, and your last remaining solace will be bitching about and posturing superiority over those that didn't fall for such hollow life goals as you.
At least if you 'achieve' some status those childhood insecurities won't haunt you so mercilessly, right? Better make a callous remark to prove to yourself you aren't weak or wounded now.

>>22511991
Oh, no. He's ulting. It's okay, anon. You can learn to spell at your own pace. Your ESL is a great one.

>>22511999
You don't even speak good English. Your mediocrity is just that, mediocre.

>>22512013
Okay, so you're finally becoming attuned to reality where mediocrities can clearly see your poor grasp of the English language. I am glad we're communicating. Hopefully, this has been a humbling experience for you.

>>22512024
My grasp of English is superior to your mediocre one, have no doubt on that. Now is there anyone here actually worth my expertise?

>>22512036
You keep forgetting to show that. Must be because no one is here to kiss your ass or as you've put it to be worth of your expertise. Feel free to fuck off though.

>>22512043
But you've clearly been kissing my ass this entire time hoping I'd show more of it instead of just dropping morsels.

If you really thought I have no expertise, you'd just ignore me. :)

Mine is the original Resident Evil. I hate zombie fiction, so let's steer away from that. Resi Evil offers way more than zombies anyway. I really enjoy stories that feature biological creatures and stories that take themselves seriously (I know Resi is infamous for it's silly voice acting), to me it's about the broad strokes.

Books I've already read that capture what I'm looking for:
Jurassic Park by Michael Crichton
Relic by Douglas Preston & Lincoln Childe
Watchers by Dean Koontz
White Shark by Peter Benchley

hell, even the Southern Reach trilogy scratches some of that (government lead investigation into a supernatural event).

Please no shitty book series that have a million volumes, I prefer one and done novels by authors who take this seriously.

>>22508537
Ramsay Campbell is probably right up your alley. Midnight Sun and The Hungry Moon might scratch this itch. Also Algernon Blackwoods "The Willows".

>>22508571
Interested in this, too.

>>22509544
Definitely check out Harlan Ellison's "A Boy and his Dog" (I like the movie, too). Swan Song by McCammon is pretty good too. Also "Malevil" by Robert Merle

>>22510001
Besides actual gothic and weird horror (like Frankenstein and Dracula and Cthulhu), I'm not really sure what to suggest. I say dig up some of those delray cthulhu mythos anthologies.

I say "The Night Land" by William Hope Hodgson. Enjoy a wonderfully imaginative dark fantasy world hidden behind walls of impenetrable text

>>22511995
Not that guy, but you're the one that has to prove he's worthy, not us. I haven't even played any of the DS games beyond the first one (and Demon Souls back on the PS3).

>>22512055
I really hope you don't think your exercises in looking at thesaurus have been morsels of brilliant use of language because of how embarrassing that would be for you.
>If you really thought I have no expertise
I think you know next to nothing.
>you'd just ignore me.
You only see one reason therefore there can only be one reason. Wow, clearly a sign of high intelligence.

>>22512061
>Besides actual gothic and weird horror (like Frankenstein and Dracula and Cthulhu), I'm not really sure what to suggest. I say dig up some of those delray cthulhu mythos anthologies.
There's definitely shitloads more that many on lit aren't familiar with yet. Have you read Udolpho (even though it's somewhat feminine, but without being merely woman fiction)?

>you're the one that has to prove he's worthy, not us.
I've already contributed high lit talk to too many DS threads. I'm an old anon. The initiative is on others.

>>22503691
I do not get the hype behind this game. Like, woah, somehow we can materially copy and paste human "consciousness" into robots and then... like, ah, dude, they like, become us, dude. Bro, its just like Locke's theory of consciousness except not really.
Oh, btw, I created this computer that runs a simulation where we can copy our consciousness into it and then launch it into space for no reason whatsoever.
Oh, and how can a material object think?
Uh... like braaaaainzzz bro. Hehe, like a zombie :)

>>22503317
This but everything apart from eating and having sex

I'm extremely depressed and thinking about suicide

>>22512271
Harry Potter or Chronicles of Narnia

>>22512271
Please don't do that. Please don't mind the conflict between me and the other anon if that stressed you out.

KD is like a light Pynchon, so I guess The Crying of Lot 49

Preferably the deep cavern/mutagen section

>>22512271
Something of a lighter read?
Arboretum by David Byrne comes to mind. Something that is separated into something like short stories, small poetry passages, maybe an autobiography of someone you enjoy.

>>22503336
kek basically all of /lit/

And yes, i know the main game designer has wrote a whole book of it and i own the paperback. I just liked the lore more than the spesific charecter the book was based around on.

>>22503317
What are you going to do about it?

>>22503691
Highly suggest both Nick Cutter's "The Deep" and really, REALLY suggest "Blindsight" by Peter Watts.

"Starfish" by Peter Watts was also very influential for both this game and Bioshock. I thought Stafish was wonderful, but the sequels aren't very good and get away from what I think made that first book so amazing.

>>22503317
fpbp

>>22503420
Try this dude.

>>22503420
based game. Read "the Killing Star"

>>22512960
ASOIAF

Something about once-heroic warriors getting twisted into fucked up monsters, only to maintain a semblance of their humanity just appeals to me

>>22503314
These three novels are pretty much the game. No one else will give you reccs as good as these. Listen to me, I read.

>>22503322
This one is pretty good! I would also get the novelization, Castle in the Mist. Its not bad at all.

No, I'd rather kill myself than playing video games or watching anime.

>>22512061
RE had a series of novels written

>>22512599
Once upon a time in Arabia by Morris. You won't regret it

>>22512061
If you like books about creatures, maybe check out Devolution by Max Brooks. Bigfoot-based survivalist horror, played completely straight

>>22511997
>you start becoming incapable of enjoying anything.
wrong.
>The sight of others' joy will fill you with resentment
wrong.
>your last remaining solace will be bitching about and posturing superiority over those that didn't fall for such hollow life goals as you
wrong.

>>22503472
If you like the plot, Mister B. Gone by Clive Barker is good.
If you like the action... Hammer's Slammers by David Drake, maybe?

>>22504763
B-but I'm le self improoooving!

>>22503714
Neuromancer.

>>22504930
If you read finnish:
Murtumia maisemassa - Urbaanin löytöretkeilyn antologia
It's a collection of ten fictional short stories - one or two of them shoul be good judging by the writers.

If you don't read finnish, you're sol, sorry.

>>22512960
Prince of Thorns.
>>22512271
The Faithful Executioner.
>>22507836
Promise of Blood.
>>22503816
>>22503670
Master and Commander
Shattered Sword
The Terror

>>22503384
Seconding McLuhan

>>22503314
Ice
>>22503328
Bleeding Edge
>>22503416
Fevre Dream
>>22503714
Spaceman Blues
>>22504283
Viriconium


>>22505191
Flatland

>>22503314

>>22512448
loved enderal. spent 93 hours playing it... got stuck in the final level because an elevator refused to come down. looked it up and turns out that just happens sometimes and I was soft locked.

>>22503518
what I came here to post

>>22503540
lmao

>>22505638
middle-class take

>>22507745
-20 yrs old
-couldn't read until 5 yrs old
-hasn't read since 10 yrs old
Imagine if everything you've ever read was read between 5 and 10 yrs old.

WTF
what country are you from?

>>22511997
>Once you start categorizing intrinsically pleasurable things as a 'waste of time'

What if I told you that there is things that are both pleasurable and not a waste of time?

I have played video games for a long long time and I know its a complete waste of time. Compared to many other pleasurable things that actually give you something in return for time invested video games give you nothing but a hollow feeling... And minimum 20 extra kilograms of fat.

>>22514211

ie, post-apocalyptic setting that's atmospheric and nostalgic, not gore action slop.

>>22512960
the long ships

Fuck I hope I'm not too late.

>>22503314

>>22516164
Paradise Lost

>>22503678
The Last Policeman is possibly the worst novel I've read in the past five years. It takes an interesting premise for a detective story and just runs it straight into the ground.
Your run-of-the-mill episode of SVU or Medium is literally an order of magnitude more interesting and competently made than this stillbirth of a book.

>>22503314

>>22511919
>system shock 2
Reminds me of Neuromancer somehow

gimme some

>>22503314
Far cry 3

>>22511337
A Clockwork Orange