/lit/ - Literature

>>22501132
currently reading the theory and practice of oligarchical collectivism rn by goldstein and I absolutely LOVE it. this dude really knew how to spell out the conundrums of modern society and how to systematize the world in a coherent fashion. i just love going to my commie-block apartment at the end of a long day's work, eating my chocolate ration, and sitting down with a COZY book where i can CHALLENGE my faculties. good thing i'll never have to go to the psych ward--- er, i mean MINISTRY OF LOVE in order to get RE-INDOCTRINATED to the DOMINANT ORDER.

>>22501132
You meant stalinism. It was eye opening for the time anon.

>>22501132
He was literally right about everything though. His prose is dry and dull but his political ideas were absolutely spot-on

>>22501132
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_Research_Department
he's a glowie propagandist
(all media are glowie brainwashing tools)

>>22501170
How come his writing is so to the point on how our current regime works.

His early stuff was breddy gud too
Down and Out in Paris and London
The Road to Wigan Pier
Homage to Catalonia
He was an interesting guy.
Even if he fought on the wrong side of the Spanish Civil War

The most frustrating aspect of 1984 is that it’s a rewriting of Zamyatin’s We except written by someone outside of the shadow of communism.

If Orwell were alive today he would be more sympathetic to National-Socialism.

>>22501132
1984 is about Stalinism, actually. Trotskyists like Orwell hate Stalinists about as much as it's possible for anyone to hate anything, and there's a rich tradition of them becoming conservatives to fight totalitarian communism more effectively. Orwell never quite made that jump officially but he did become an informer for the British government.

>>22501132
Because at the time he was the first person to do that.

>>22501246
control is always control
read on chinese legalism school
very a little changed

>>22501132
Orwell was a glowie trot that seethed about Stalin in both 1984 and Animal Farm.
In both books, the premise is that 'real socialism' got coopted by tyrannical rulers.
Orwell isn't praised because he was smart, he's praised because he was first to the punch. There's nothing revelatory in 1984 or animal farm, it's just an accessible novel that feeds into American insecurities about big governments.

>>22501871
>STALIN GOOD!
retard tankie

>>22501132
Imagine not understanding a masterpiece which has such wide appeal and low barrier to entry. Try reading it again.

>>22501132
>All he did was take the ideas of fascism, crank it to 200
The irony of this post is that Orwell wrote an essay criticizing the flippant and careless use of "fascism", just like you're doing now. I guess you got filtered. Orwell isn't a towering genius but he had a rare clarity of thought that is unmatched by most essayists of the time.

>>22501884
Nothing in that post is indicative of praise for Stalin. 1984 and Animal Farm are objectively books about Orwell seething about Stalin.

>>22501419
>If Orwell were alive today he'd be retarded
How did you figure that?

>>22501905
I know you like Stalin, retarded tankie
>seething about
nonidicative biased language implying Orwell was wrong in criticisms of Stalin

>>22501917
Not even him but it's obvious you are a stinky ESL.

>>22501925
u mad, retarded tankie? no argument, u lose

>>22501917
Nope. Seething as in just very upset. Someone could cry about pronouns being in a game and they would be seething over it, despite pronouns in games being shit. It's a jab for overly emotional people.

>>22501929
What's there to argue with someone who can't read.

>>22501935
learn 2 rhetoric
orwell was a dry writer, the exact opposite of "over-emotional", tankie

>>22501132
>All he did was take the ideas of fascism, crank it to 200,
Not really.

He didn't display much of a grasp of the basic psychology of fascism; the pig character was not a sexual pervert in deep denial, for example, the pig was just "the boss" who is "evil for no reason", which is hardly anything intelligent.

And, as he and huxley both shared, as wells pointed out, their actual notion of utopia still perpetuated the status quo that they began from: that of the boss/slave dynamic, making both novellas a kind of armchair entertainment with no reality going on.

>>22501166
wow, that's petty insightful. did you come to that conclusion on your own or did you sponge it, like, from the local entertainment media?

>>22501132
It was about Stalinism retard. Left wing publishers refused to publish it.

>>22501906
The amount of censorship advanced by all Left Wing Political groups is the most offensive thing to Orwell, not even in their darkest moments did the Nazi's infringe on speech as they have now. Granted that is not what they are known for, or was their greatest crime, but in Orwell's view the censorship of words was.

Further he had a sentimental view of Britain, it's people and it's future. If he was to view what it has become it would no doubt cause him a great deal of anguish. As it would demonstrate that what he fought against, and what he fought for, was backwards. He fought to defend those who are undergoing the exact same treatment his own native Britons are.

84 is just taught in schools to destroy group cohesion by making the proles suspicious of their own kind and their natural leaders, more or less.

it also describes fuck all of how the democracies operate in chaos and perpetual losing-war; we're taught to equate war with dictatorships when the opposite is true.

watership down for university students who read marx

basically

cartoon animals

>>22501983
>>22501959
midwit take from a namefag like clockwork
>making the proles suspicious of their own kind and their natural leaders, more or less
dude just accept totalitarian leaders lmao

>>22501981
>>22501898
>>22501890
>>22501269
>>22501143
>>22501166
good posts, Orwell is actually underrated

>>22501988
>(calls midwit)
but
>(can't read what was said)

thanks for proving my point dipshit, this is why you're being ruled by other people already.

>>22502001
smarmy say-nothing posts, "ORWELL WUX LITERLALY RIGHTBAOUT EVERYTHING"
"wow, good post" *sips champagne*

you people need death ASAP

>>22502010
you're a midwit who has no argument, only low iq adhominem
u lost, thanks for playing

>>22502013
Orwell wrote deeply on a handful of things, he was correct on almost all of them. I, a literal Fascist, appreciate him as one of the best authors of his age. And despite disagreements with his worldview find comfort in his more whimsical and light-heated essays.

>>22502023
based carlyle and orwell enjoyer

>>22501958
Writing two bland novels with the same premise is over emotional, retard.
Orwell became a glowie out of spite for Stalin.
Just because the novels are boring as shit, doesn't mean he wasn't seething.
Bertrand Russell is also boring as shit, but I can tell he was seething about Christianity in "Why I am not a Christian."
Brave New World is the superior dystopian novel. And it wasn't written by government informant.

>>22502020
>adhominem
you couldn't read what i said and used the word midwit twice

i said,
>>"84 is just taught in schools to destroy group cohesion by making the proles suspicious of their own kind and their natural leaders, more or less."

you interpreted this as "accept totalitarian leaders" when i said it DESTROYS COHESION BY MAKING YOU SUSPICIOUS OF THE NATURAL LEADER FROM AMONG THEIR OWN KIND

as you and every sicko cuck obstructionist demonstrates all the time lol

>>22502023
>Orwell wrote deeply on a handful of things, he was correct on almost all of them.
>. I, a literal Fascist,
that's funny, you've been brainwashed by liberalism into just acting the opposite, simple reverse psychology, whilst agreeing with their propaganda against you by praising their own fucking authors

holy shit you guys are dead fuck corpse tier dumb

>>22502052
>bland
>over emotional
>spite
>seething
cool adjectives and opinions
both 1984 are brave new world are good and extremely apropo for the world we live in today
>soma
>wrongthink
i'm sorry u got filtered, tankie

>>22502060
>cool adjectives and opinions
>both 1984 are brave new world are good and extremely apropo for the world we live in today
>>soma
>>wrongthink
>i'm sorry u got filtered, tankie
this is entry level revelation we all have when we're 14 years old

low iq society bad education system, regressive stagnancy by smarmy pseudo-elites

>>22502060
So you agree with Orwell that the antidote is socialism, right?
You do know that 1984 is a pro-socialism book, right?

>>22502055
i literally quoted your retarded post and dismantled it in a sentence
>DESTROYS COHESION BY MAKING YOU SUSPICIOUS OF THE NATURAL LEADER FROM AMONG THEIR OWN KIND
thanks for reposting your retarded thought like it merited another response
again
>dude,being suspicious of totalitarian leaders is like bad for cohesion
try keeping countries racially cohesive instead

>>22502055
It is difficult to work out what it is you're trying to say here.

>>22502068
midwit take from a guy who wants to seem so much above secondary school readings

>>22502072
>(still can't read)
>(then racialism)
why do you keep reading this as "totalitarian leaders"? how can you be an ethno-fascist and then reject leadership from among your own kind?

>(racially cohesive removes the need for leadership)
no such thing, religion demonstrates this.

>>22502087
>still can't think
did u even go to university? 1984 is a post-war indictment of stalin and to a lesser extent, hitler
i'm sorry you're this dumb

>>22502074
>(accuses of being pleb whilst denying he is pseudo-elistist)

>>22502073
that's what happens when your brain can't follow a conclusion that proves you wrong, you "literal fascist" spastic.

>>22502095
been a while since i've seen a namefag this obstinate and smugly midwit

>>22501981
Except for the little know issue of book burning and complete censorship of the arts, persecution of political dissidents and being the prime supporter of the side he fought against in Spain. But yeah pronouns are worse actually

>>22502094
it's suspicious that you can't understand what's being said to you and keep changing the subject.

> 1984 is a post-war indictment of stalin and to a lesser extent, hitler
wow that's really interesting

how many more canned responses have you got?

>>22502112
because you asked "why do you keep reading this as "totalitarian leaders?", you driveling baboon
it was written about stalin and hitler
yeah bro, hating stalin and hitler means we shoud have no leaders according to your retarded take

>>22501981
>Orwell didn't like censorship and liked his own country.
>therefore he'd be a nazi (just like me!)
lol

>>22502109
They are indeed worse, thankyou for acknowledging this.

>>22502105
i'm responding to people who are not even reading what's being said to them

i think it's not real, desu, bunch of racist /pol/actors trying to influence the imaginary audience at the expense of discussing the subject
>> not even a long string of responses can be considered 'truly' to be coming from more than a single person who is "fishing" to convince another single person by an employ of an illusion of popularity or enmity to (whatsoever they wish), understanding that the low IQ slob they wish to recruit will struggle to initially comprehend the effort of the deception being employed to hook him or her.

>>22502125
meds now schizo

>>22502116
holy fucking shit, 60 posts and 1000 insults later you actually return to the topic - slow as fuck

I said that the 84 is 'used' to destroy group cohesion by XYZ,
>, hating stalin and hitler means we shoud have no leaders according to your retarded take
you do have no leaders, serf, 84 and BNW demonize the concept of group cohesion.

which you think is only possible if you're in an etho-state, which is prison-tier.

>>22502128
ha
> (accuses of schizo)
o that means i'm right, that's a special word in the gas-lighting toolbox

>>22502142
sorry you're too dumb to follow your own line of argument
fuck you're dumb and should take some meds like the anon above suggested

>>22502149
you're right, it's the Orwell racist pol illuminati trying to get people on a chinese basketball forum to buy his books
meds now schizo

>>22502151
telling me i'm dumb and keeping on responding with ad hom and literal non-seq is no refutation, cunt.

a self-described ethno-fascist praising orwell who is a propagandist against fascism is an example of abject idiocy, for instance.

gas-lighting me for highlighting this is suspicious. what human wouldn't laugh at that guy?

>>22502165
It is a refutation since you don't understand why 1984 is a critique of totalitarian politics, drooling midwit

>>22502155
>(the basket weaving forum variation remark)
Oh it's you again, hi stalker-troll, am I supposed to notice this so you can accuse me of being crazy?

>>22502173
You actually have schizophrenia. Not trying to joke or insult you.

>>22502169
> since you don't understand why 1984 is a critique of totalitarian politics,
and you as an etho-fascist who craves 'racial' cohesion ....... like this book? doesn't add up, white nigger dude, you're a /pol/ actor doing /pol/.

>>22502178
i'm not the fascist lil bud

>>22502175
that's what you said the last time you gas-lit with this chain of responses, samefag :p

high IQ isn't schizophrenia btw, schizoprenia is when your brain is so rotted out that you can't notice simple contradictions in things, for one instance of it,
e.g.
>>a self-described ethno-fascist praising orwell who is a propagandist against fascism

>>22501132
>explain the downsides of totalitarianism and communism to people in a format that even kids can understand it
totalitarianism isn't always the same as fascism, you live under a totalitarian rule right now and because the ingsoc won you don't even question it
"we do not want to merely make people obey what we tell them, we want to make them believe what we tell them"
he warned us of a form of control so well perfected that the sufferers of oppression would unironically and truly believe what was told to them as the truth as the truth, the ending is a whimper of both the "protagonists" succumbing to ingsocs method of control
if you equate all oppressive and over controlling governments as fascism you my friend have already lost and you calling the guy who managed to express the dangers years before it became a reality to the people in such a way that anyone with above room temperature IQ could understand it you might just be either way too stupid or indoctrinated from birth
remember how the kids would turn on their parents in the movie / book? well your parents turned on you without even knowing it and puked the shit indoctrination they had onto you and you never questioned it

>>22502182
>Oh it's you again, hi stalker-troll, am I supposed to notice this so you can accuse me of being crazy?
hey schizo, that's a common phrase on this website
nonironically, go to a doctor...

>>22502186
>common phrase
that's what you said the last time you gas-lit with this chain of responses, samefag :p

and i said i've never seen it said except as part of this script, did u forget?

>>22502191
dude... please go to a doctor

>>22501981
libs aren't left

>>22502199
you have contributed nothing and have only been arguing with a person spamming catchphrases about schizophrenia allegations, i think you should go sit back on the bench and towel up the operatives that actually know how to maintain their cover

>>22502199
oh man, change the script, you were /pol/trolling for le ethno-state in a thread and you got called out. i'm bored now.

returning to on topic
>>22501132
>>22502184
disagree with none this except that the theme of the totalitarianism is portrayed as coming from "a leader" which is the hallmark of western propaganda; 84 is far from an accurate portrayal of the chaos and genocide perpetuated by leaderless anarchic democracies - and the psych going on in their peer conformity.

this was the only point i was trying to raise in this thread. BNW comes a bit closer in that the genocide and chaos goes on in the background rather than so overtly under martial dictatorship, but fails to portray the reality by comparison to an earlier work, see img.

>>22502224
>t. schizophrenic namefag who thinks "basket weaving forum" is one person

>>22502218
I don't care what raw shit take you have to say on the matter after opening with that.

>>22502224
they revealed that the "leader" was long dead if he ever existed, the whole show was being run in unison by the oligarchs of all 3 powers using the wars as an excuse to subjugate the people into miserable conditions, the real life parallels are both hilarious and sad at the same time

>>22501132
Did a bunch of underage newfags just get this book assigned or something? The Orwell seethe has been up significantly this week.

>>22502237
yeah. 1984 was prescient in a lot of ways

>>22502230
it's not even that, you were trolling with non-seq and verbal abuse to disrupt the thread and when called out you reverted to gas-lighting about the people calling you out being "schizo",

as the other guy said, you're offering nothing of substance and are only here to disrupt, mr. basket weaving forum dude.

come up with something better if you want to steer the 12yr old crowd away from these topics you target.

>>22501166
Well yeah, socialism is good and correct and every other political ideology is half baked.

>>22502237
sure but that's david icke tier, it presupposes 'order' without is impossible to act against, when the reality is 'chaos' which shatters the illusion of resistance being futile.

>>22502248
>verbal abuth, the namefag lisped
get treated

>, it presupposes 'order' without is impossible to act against,
oops,
i mean: it presupposes total order which is impossible to act against

>>22502244
what they tried to do was easy to see back in the day, most people just didn't have internet to spread the news so you had to write books to get the message out there, television shows from the very early times and advertisement were god damn nightmare fuel on how bad they were at it back then
https://youtu.be/6iWJ5LObN2o?si=4yIM7uK7lH9JxwFZ

>>22502258
sadly there's no treatment for being able to spot obvious psychopaths in their lo IQ game efforts, humans developed this ability to hunt and kill the predators over tens of thousands of years.

>>22502224
Just a tip, if you see a person replying in bad faith then stop replying to them. You're not going to get them to not call you schizo after the 5th attempt.
I dislike that the book presents the individual as a completely reasonable individual who is attacked by external ideological power that is too stupid and illogical to be believed. When in reality ideology masks itself as reason and infects the minds of the masses, this is why they pit it in schools. It only works to make people confident in that what they know (what they were thaught in school) is true and anything that goes against it is 1984.

>>22502268
you're retarded and schizophrenic.you think I'm the same person because "basket weaving" I would feel bad for you, but you're a pompous namefag so I laugh

>>22501143
I too enjoy James Burnham.

>>22502276
>When in reality ideology masks itself as reason and infects the minds of the masses
that's a point of 1984 ... ever heard of "useful idiot" and "true believers"

>>22502276
keep going, you're almost there..

>>22502276
>Just a tip, if you see a person replying in bad faith then stop replying to them.
i know this and i enjoy doing it lol, it's an exercise in logic and rhetoric for me - and it helps to fuck up their /pol/ efforts.

>I dislike that the book presents the individual as a completely reasonable individual who is attacked by external ideological power that is too stupid and illogical to be believed. When in reality ideology masks itself as reason and infects the minds of the masses,
Ah, but by the time orwell was writing we'd already had mass psychology of fascism and eichmann in jerusalem come out and widely read; orwells line is a step back from this understanding of the fucked up psychology of totalitarianism in and of itself.

The "bad boss" is called Napoleon, for instance, anchoring him to the proto-hitler propaganda image of a "foreign dictator" who is "evil for no reason," reinforcing that British Propaganda trope - which hasn't ever really changed in centuries.

Voltaires "absurdism (in belief) leading to atrocity (in actions)," even centuries earlier, was closer to the mark in what you describe.

>>22502282
Yeah, but it doesn't matter because the text is interpreted, or misinterpreted, to strenghten people's faith in whatever they believe. For example, the nazi here saying orwell would support natsocs, the CIA making movies about orwell's book, pretty much all popular use of 1984 is evidence of it.
Nobody considers themselves part of the masses so they protect their own (seemingly rational) ideas and get defensive of opposition

>>22502310
>Ah, but by the time orwell was writing we'd already had mass psychology of fascism and eichmann in jerusalem come out and widely read
>fiction is different than nonfiction!
great post midwit

>>22502279
>you're retarded and schizophrenic
>.you think I'm the same person
i wouldnt feel bad for me, i'd be suspicious i was laying the groundwork for a morally justified bloodbath against my ideological opponents. this is what's really going on, probably.

>>22502318
>suspicious i was laying the groundwork for a morally justified bloodbath against my ideological opponents
like Stalin and Hitler did. Who are the opponents of 1984. RETARD!

>>22502316
>(dunning-kruger in full effect)
i can tell you're really sincerely interested in discussing the subject and not totally just here to disrupt

>>22502322
ik, you're right to be attacking me, is my point. obviously i'm lumping all valid critique into a simple easily identified and already marginalized group.

>>22502322
actually to put it even another way, when you disrupt threads and do psych abuse to thousands of people, you're actually justified in doing this because everyones a potential hitler,

nice job leftypol xd

>>22502394
>psych abuse
i'm the guy who noted you were slighlty schizophrenic for thinking people who say "basket-weaving forum" or a variation thereof were the same person
not meant to be abuse, or make u feel bad it literally is schizophrenic though. (or you're new)

>>22501132
because we truly live in 1984

>>22502322
Just ignore it. It's too easy to get it to meltdown and it will just sperg the same shit about "trolls" and "gaslighting."

>>22501132
>Intellectual writes book attacking Marxism-Leninsm
>Fascist gets offended because the system criticized reminds him of his own shitty regime

>>22501981
>not even in their darkest moments did the Nazi's infringe on speech as they have now
Are you on crack? The slightest suggestion of disloyalty to the Fuhrer would get you shot.

>>22502396
you started with ad hominem in the beginning when i said something you disagreed with; you weren't able to stay on-topic and went to ad hominem, and have made 5 posts since insisting that you're a unique person.

go back to /pol/ whee you can bully small children who will be afraid of you and impressed by simple gang posting tactics.

>>22502418
then stop disrupting discussion subjects with gas-lighting and emotional abuse, dumb dumb.

make a username and let's recognize all your posts and see what you contribute other than disruption and abuse, 'anon'.

>>22502468
Alright fuck you. Sniveling little namefaggot who cries about "verbal abuse" when they get BTFO by arguments KEK
retarded schizo faggot

>>22502507
>cries about "verbal abuse" when they get BTFO
Fucking malding cunt, I'm standing up to you minority /pol/ cunts who do this to everyone on this site on a daily basis,

>>enters thread, scans for person saying something that doesn't align with their /pol/
>>kill yourself!
>>heheee based!
>>you showed him!
sameguy

You target a subject to disrupt normal people from talking about the subject, 'anon', that's why you're asked to "stick to the topic," if you had "arguments" you would have made them ages ago, you actor.

>>22502530
Not him, but as a namefag, you really should kill yourself.

>>22502599
I'd rather wait a while longer until the law is passed in my country that would put you in prison for saying that to total strangers, and have non-compliant domain providers blocked from the territory.

>>22502699
WAAHH WAAHHHHHHHH
kill yourself

>>22502712
and then at least you'll only be stuck psychologically doing-down the people in your own nationality, rather than being able to brainwash and deform real thinking humans into conforming to your cum-mouthed level.

>>22502718
SCHIZOPHRENIA ALERT
BEEP BEEP BEEP

>>22502599
>>22502712
You know, for the sake of the others, don't you find strange that 'you' doing 'this' is creating more and more advocacy to actually end "free speech" over the intewebzz - to handle the abuse and disruption posed by you?

I would never be thinking this was necessary if not for having experienced people like you doing this. Fucking strange that you probably think telling strangers to kill themselves at ransom is you being all freedom and sheetz, defending muh freedumbs frum da tyrannie.

>>22502699
>statist who wants to turn a whole country into his safe space
This is literally why you should kill yourself.

>>22502712
I honestly can't tell if it's schizo or just trolling. It will call someone a /pol/tard and then try at some random (weak) /pol/ style insult like attacking your nationality. It could even be a bot, it always says the exact same shit.

>>22502727
whatever mutt, drink another beer, take another prozac and get ready to go to the dole office tomorrow, i'm sure as an ethno-fascist who can't speak IRL anywhere you're hella success.

>>22502757
burgers don't know what the dole is

>>22502744
>you can have free speech as long as you don't offend me
Free speech is the freedom to say stuff you don't like, dumbass.
Those who argue against that were never in favour of it to begin with.

>>22502750
you don't think you're doing anything really bad by entering into threads to tell people to kill themselves and doing psych abuse just cos you disagree with them? likkkke for real are you just numbed out or on anti-depressants?

if you're just looking to abuse children and bother news junkies you should really go back to /pol/, I don't like you guys being here disrupting threads. it's that simple. if you won't leave then i'm quite happy to screencap your criminal offences and forward them along as instances of 4chan domain providers being in violation.

sad it has to take this much effort to resolve this problem tho

>>22502785
>i'm quite happy to screencap your criminal offences and forward them along as instances of 4chan domain providers being in violation.
OY GUVNAH! THOUGHTCRIME! THROW HIM IN PRISON!
kill yourself

>>22502779
>Those who argue against that were never in favour of it
if that was true we wouldn't be arguing or this, here's how it goes 100%of the time when I get into it with you mutts:

1) someone or myself says something
2) you appear, no argument, no case: immediate verbal abuse or death threats
3) it goes on until the person talking about the subject leaves in disgust and only you guys and me remain

i dislike this immensely.

you're copying the press in doing ad hom to shout people down, is really all it is, using 'free speech' as an excuse to target whoever. abusing free speech, in other words, until your actions result in you having significantly less of it.

>>22502798
you're a retarded britbong cuckolded by the monarchy simping for speech codes
and even worse, a namefag.
have you considered you're a terrible poster and a schizo who no one wants to talk to besides people insulting you

>>22502795
ah dumb fuck, real humans agree with me on this, that's why the laws are being enacted: 3/4 of young people in my country are in favor of this for having been subjected to abuse - from masked strangers - over the internet, in the exact same way you're doing here.

it's your fault, simply. the irony of championing free speech while abusing the fuck out of it.

>>22502785
Your presence is psychological abuse.

>>22502808
OY GUVNAH! GOD SAVE THE KING!
kill yourself faggot nonironically
pic up britannia's sharpest knife and put to your throat and pull

>>22502805
that's not true, i'm 158 IQ, very well read, i write books and have d them published, and people love me IRL and I've had great feedback here half the time. If a minority of tarded american 'ethno-fascists' are telling me to "kill myself" for asking them to "stay on topic" why should I not go after them? they're harming 'my' ability to have fun conversations with smarter people by creating a toxic environment.

imagine unmasking you and seeing a fat face half-shaved raggedy andy with weird facial features, like every 4channer who gets outed. 6 yrs in jail or some shit, raped by your feared 'niggers' in a yankee prison, secret gay fetish fulfilled


yeah i know exactly what you are, pal, and you need to get a job and turn your life around before you fuck up more.

>>22502816
>nonironically
gayest phrase in the world, nice drop chadwick

>>22502841
you should be less concerned about anonymous shitposters having liberties and more concerned about the fact that your entire government, top to bottom, is ran by pedophiles

>>22502841
you're a schizophrenic with a persecution complex who thinks everyone who says "basket weaving" is your stalker enemy
guess what it's true and you should kill yourself faggot

>>22502798
>i dislike this immensely.
Then I have an immediate solution: stop namefagging.
It's lame, narcissistic and is quite rightly abused by anonymous users.

>>22502811
i take this as a hella sweet compliment, if i could psychologically manage to talk you into not doing this shit i'd be very happy.

>>22502862
kill yourself snivelling britcuck homo

>>22502841
>that's not true, i'm 158 IQ, very well read, i write books and have d them published, and people love me IRL and I've had great feedback here half the time
*narcissism intensifies*

>>22502855
ah but we can't organize anything about anything if our attempts to discuss anything are raided by 'anons', did you consider that the left have been abusing 'anonymity' for a long time and more effectively than you by posing as racist rightwingers and attacking whoever?

HEY RABBI

you know what i mean

>>22502856
you're just a dummy with cheeto stains on your face who's using psych words all in error, it's 2023 and anyone can google these things to learn what these words actually mean.

this makes me think you're old people who've been at this for a decade or two, when people were a bit less informed.

>>22502878
I'm tracking your posts and you are a britbong schizophrenic who should throw himself off a bridge

>narcissitic faggot derails thread and makes it all about himself
New Orwell thread, anyone?

>>22502885
namefags being gay shitters
like clockwork

>>22502865
>(way to project)
i'm not sniveling, i'm lording it over you in the judges chair, you poor confused little guy. you can't speak IRL at all, if you articulated your beliefs you'd be in prison; why are you trying to brainwash and bully younger people into adopting your positions?

>>22502857
again, in your fantasy from early 2010, i'm angry personally for being insulted in an argument; this isn't the case at all, you guys do this 24/7 to all anons. you should stop it.

>>22502870
yeah, what buzzword is next? did you get bored with schizo/nigger/faggot cos they weren't working? o you're going to 'success shame' me now, good tactic.

>>22502879
10th instance of a violation of US Law

>>22502862
>i take this as a hella sweet compliment
You learned a lot of weird habits from being bullied as a kid (which you deserved).

>>22502894
>if you articulated your beliefs you'd be in prison
i have free speech since i'm not a cuckolded british faggot like you
KILL YOURSELF SCHIZO

>>22502910
100% legal for me to tell you to throw yourself off a bridge, troll
maybe not in britannia but too bad for you
while you're at it kys

>>22502912
more off-topic emotional abuse and projecttttttttion lol

Actually when I was a kid, if a cunt was talking nonsense shit and just refused to stop he would have his face smashed in. That's why you're here, the only place on the planet you can get away with talking to other people like this without being immediately busted up, pussy.

>>22502924
>emotional abuth, the gay britbonger lisped
>fathe smathed in
take knife and kill yourself

>>22502841
>I've had great feedback here half the time.
For every anon that humors you there are at least 10 who call you out for being a pretentious retard schiz. You cope by pretending everyone who calls you out on your bullshit is the same person.

>>22502917
>>22502914
>(can do this in AMERUIKA)
actually no, bullying and stalking people online or offline with repeated harassment "encouraging" suicide is still an offense under US Federal and plenty of county Law(s).

but way to go championing free speech while being the biggest threat to it, dingus, only in america with the corn syrup is the brain that rotted out.

>>22502924
>I'm a tough guy but I run to the mods when someone says something mean to me
Kek.

>>22502894
>to all anons
Namefags aren't anons. There is dignity in anonymity. There is only arrogance in namefaggotry.
And as for reddit spacing ...

>>22502932
>people are stalking me
>(is a namefag)
Kek.

>>22502932
>OH MY GAH THEY ARE STALKING ME
>IS A NAMEFAG
you are retarded and you should throw yourself off a bridge

>>22502935
It's butters btw.

>>22502929
again, you're using the words all wrong and projectin' your own actions, so this obviously means nothing to me.

i dont know what simple problem you have about being called out for making off-topic posts..? you're the ones doing this 24/7 and everyone knows this already.

taking away your ability to be 'anon' would solve the problem entirely, then it'd be veyr obvious that 90% of the mindless abuse on this place was coming from the same 5 or so people.

>>22502940
>you have about being called out for making off-topic posts
4chan is one person!
you have schizophrenia

>>22502940
>this obviously means nothing to me
>still posting
LMAO

>>22502935
>reddit spacing
o yeah i forgot that one: you go online, find people writing in complete sentences and you try to shame them for doing that.

what's that all about?

>>22502946

>>22502940
You bring this on yourself. You can simply ignore posts you don't like and choose to engage with those you do. Exposing your persecution complex as soon as someone brushes your over inflated ego is just a bad look unless you're intentionally trying to troll (which would make you just as bad as those you're attempting to sling mud at).

>>22502943
trying to shame me into not replying? you must be getting tired or running out of canned responses, anon, what's up? you can just repeat the non-sequiturs you've been using, nobody will notice.

>>22501132
I don't suffer fools. so I won't articulate a response.

>>22502951
yeah this "clearly means nothing to you" lil bud
glad you're not mad
kill yourself

>>22502951
I think we've established by now that you have no shame whatsoever.

>>22502949
"bring this on myself" - i'm not upset by this, anon, i grew up doing this kind of thing as a kid, it's like trolling .2 to me lol

Look, I simply say "stay on topic" "argue the subject" "don't resort to ad hom, stay on topic", and all of this abuse comes my way from the same old actors. Doesn't matter if it's me or someone else, I guess most other people can't be bothered to challenge you guys on this.

>>22502946
Go back.

>>22502965
>doesn't realize it's ramblings are all over the place and contradictory
I didn't know bots could be schizos.

>>22502959
is this... >>22502841
>If a minority of tarded american 'ethno-fascists' are telling me to "kill myself" for asking them to "stay on topic" why should I not go after them? they're harming 'my' ability to have fun conversations with smarter people by creating a toxic environment.
...really so hard to believe is 100% of my motivation?

threads being derailed by rando /pol/ trolls interrupting to do do the same old verbal abuse is 'fucking' dull to me.

>>22501132
It’s because he was canonized by the CIA as useful propaganda material. He was a goddawful writer but a very useful political tool (British government used him as well!)

>>22502972
>contradictory
how so? are you using this as a buzzword? i've been very clear in what i've been saying throughout this, in spite of having to argue against multiple masked 'anons'

oh well, whatever no response trolls, i don't mind periodically riding down on my little horse and kicking in your filthy shacks. it's a fact of life to have to thin the herd now and again.

SIR knight, at your service

>>22502978
exactly.

back to last on-topic thing said
>>22502224
>>22502224
>disagree with none this except that the theme of the totalitarianism is portrayed as coming from "a leader" which is the hallmark of western propaganda; 84 is far from an accurate portrayal of the chaos and genocide perpetuated by leaderless anarchic democracies - and the psych going on in their peer conformity.
>this was the only point i was trying to raise in this thread. BNW comes a bit closer in that the genocide and chaos goes on in the background rather than so overtly under martial dictatorship, but fails to portray the reality by comparison to an earlier work, see img.

>>22502427
The extent of their policing of speech was, do not offend the honor of the Fatherland, its blood or its soil. Currently, in every liberal democracy we must insist that men are women and women are men, that children can be trans and worse.

The slightest suggestion of disloyalty did not get you shot, unless you betrayed the Realm. That was true now as it was then. Further, everybody from Gauleiter's and below were given wide discretion to accomplish their duties, there was no central planning like under Communism, only a goal which everybody was to move towards.

>>22502990
COPE
>>22502992
>reks the thread then tries to save it
Meanwhile, the internet carries on without you.

>>22503000
kek and checked
>>22502992
>>22502990
retarded schizophrenic gentlesir who fails the turing test

>>22501132
This is just a stupid question and a stupid thread. You're asking why one of the biggest propagandists in modern literature is beloved by people who believe in his propaganda? It's fairly obvious why he's taken as a literary genius, we are literally taught that he is a genius and bravely fought against "authoritarianism" which in Western liberal terms means anything that isn't liberal.

>>22502979
>cries about trolls
>attempts to troll
>spergs about psychological abuse
>tries to psychologally abuse others
>cries about gaslighting
>posts are hypocritical
>spergs about illegality/violence
>writes about smashing people's faces in
>threatens to report others
>does reportable shit
You're probably schizophrenic and if that's true I feel sorry for you. You're an asshole though so you kind of deserve bad things.

>>22503005
hell yeah comrade

>>22502997
>The slightest suggestion of disloyalty did not get you shot
>there was no central planning
LOL@Ameritards

>>22503000
>(is broken and worn out, can't respond directly to arguments or questions, utters last death cry of "COPE!")
lawl

>>22502997
"hitlers germany had more free speech than america!"
lawl

>>22503006
kek
Duncan is one of the most pathetic lolcow name fags i've ever seen

I'm a gay homosexual who forgot to take his medication today
sorry guys

>>22503006
>(list of non-sequiturs which would take an essay to pick apart)
honestly this is getting boring again, nice job showing your high IQ tho

LSS: refute this and I'll believe you: >>22502975 >>22502965

>>22503003
epic weeeen! kek

>>22503027
I have schizophrenia... sorry for shitting up this thread... I get mad when people call me retarded

>>22503016
>>22503025
did they call you over from/pol/? that would explain the gap in the stream of spam

>>22503031
I'm trans btw

>>22503031
>>22503025
ha wow, only took you 3 months to realize you could copy my username - real geniuses on the 1488 team


but for reals neils, nigga jigga shigga, refute this:>>22503027 cos i'm going to sleep ;D

>>22503037
I don't understand how this website works please be patient

i cast off the mask of sir duncan, the gremlin village had been burned and my armor stood being kicked by the gremlins, i cracked my back into a hunch and made slaver fall around my mouth, to look like one of them again, and i hobbled back among their numbers,

I was an anon once more.

I'm gay.

>>22503045
Explain to us how you relish the sensation of black cock violating your sphincter and invading your alimentary canal.

namefags are faggots and you have to be an even bigger faggot to reply to them

>>22503087
Namefags are lolcows and you have no appreciation of trolling.

>>22503088
namefags are rarely lolcows, they're just retards that ruin discussion and derail threads
you have a pedestrian taste in lolcows

>>22503011
>>22503015

>Man arrested and fined for bad joke
>Women arrested and jailed for facebook comments
>Autistic female child detained and taken from parents for innocent comment

>>22501132
>All he did was take the ideas of fascism
retard

>>22503096
>ruin discussion and derail threads

>>22501925
>>22501929
>>22501935
>>22501940
>>22501958

>>22503570
>5 posts
and how many posts are dedicated to back and forth from the namefag?
are you just someone that replied to the namefag and now you have to justify your contribution to derailment by deflecting?
thats pretty embarrassing desu

>>22503579
not that anon but the namefag was a YUGE lolcow itt

>>22503579
No, your story that the one guy with a name is doing that when 4chan is widely known as toxic cesspool of hurting people for fun is demented. Every thread is derailed by anons all the time.

------------------
Related
What is the problem with 4chan?
4chan is the cesspool of humanity.

You are responsible for the things you do under your name. Everyone on 4chan is anonymous. They are responsible for nothing. So they just hurt people for fun.

Sane, healthy people are averse to this kind of behavior even if they are given anonymity. So they do not frequent 4chan.

But for unhealthy people with twisted minds and distorted points of view, it is the only place in the world where they can voice their hatred.

Most people on 4chan are loners and social outcasts. 4chan is basically a place for them to vent their rage against society. Many mass shooters have frequented 4chan.

I’m not saying all loners or social outcasts are vile. That is far from the truth. Many of them are the victims of society.

But the ones on 4chan chose to be vile and toxic.

>People on 4chan lack empathy. They don’t or hardly understand human feelings. They are aware of it and they sometimes call themselves “robots”.

They hurt people for fun and say it is okay because it is “banter”.

They say Hitler’s atrocities are also “banter”.

They say mass shootings and hate crimes are also “banter”.

They laugh at dead bodies of children in a war. Enough said.

The most ridiculous thing is that these people think they are normal people just having some black humor. What group of normal people laughs at dead children?
----------------

This is a real problem.

>>22501132
The book was about communism you retard

>>22503593
It's me - Hi! I'm the problem - it's me.

>>22503593
reddit tier trash

>>22501132
>take the ideas of fascism
authoritarianism*

>>22503604
true though.

>>22503609
true OP is an idiot

>>22503593
>"4chan is contaminated with shitposting, therefore you HAVE to make shitposts yourself!"
no thanks, i'd rather discuss books and authors
shitposting nihilism is gay and retarded and gay
anyways, animal farm is a better novel than 1984
1984 is more apt at describing some tyrannical shithole but animal farm is the better fiction.

>>22503622
>no thanks, i'd rather discuss books and authors
His point was that you can't do that because you'll be called a retard and a faggot when you try.
> animal farm is the better fiction
Nice attempt at making like you're a reader though, retardfaggot.

>>22503629
animal farm is the better novel since orwell actually made an attempt at making it fun to read.
1984 is dry and dull. which is why any discussion of the book is just about its anti-authoritarian themes. its only good because it was relevant at the time.
its very pragmatic but a fucking bore to read, which is another reason that BNW is the superior dystopia novel.

>>22503637
>1984 is only good because it was relevant at the time
you're a fucking midwit.

>>22503637
midwit take

>>22503639
>>22503642
then explain what else you liked about the novel. using buzzwords and lacking any critical thinking is primo lowwit.

>>22503648
>then explain what else you liked about the novel.
loaded
begging the question
actually it sucked

His non fiction books are really good.

>>22503651
lol based

>>22503653
agreed Down and Out in Paris and London and catalonia were great

>>22503593
This is probably truer than many anons will like to admit and it explains why the quality of the site is extremely subpar, but I, for one, only come here to read and post about books. If you are like me, reject bait. Make /lit/ okay again

>>22501132
The big brain take is that O’Brien is Emmanuel Goldstein

>>22501132
One last thing to add, Orwell feels like such a refreshing relic from the past. The thought of a political writer who doesn’t just take potshots at the other side, seems far fetched nowadays

>>22503683
exactly

>>22501906
Kill yourself tranny faggot YWNBAW