/lit/ - Literature

>>22500911
Critique of Practical Reason is just not that good.

>>22500911
God is dead, sweaty, science killed it

>>22500955
>can't see God
ngmi

>>22500950
This says more about you since CPrR is kino af.

>>22500911
There is nothing compelling from Kant. Kant's output is only his personal opinion. And his little intellectual circus clearly doesn't work on other people, both smarter and dumber than him kek.

>>22500911
The point is not to get Plato. Plato gets in you. That is why you read him first.

>>22501012
>Kant's output is only his personal opinion

>as objectively considered there can only be one human Reason, so there cannot be many Philosophies; in other words, there is ONLY ONE TRUE SYSTEM OF PHILOSOPHY founded upon principles, however variously and however contradictorily men may have philosophized over one and the same proposition.

try harder anon or you're ngmi

>>22501049
Kant is such a noob, and a hopeless modern to boot, by using the human intellect as the most stable and secure foundation of analysis. There actually exists an already known to ancients better ground: Reality.
>as objectively considered there can only be one Realty, so there cannot be many Philosophies; in other words, there is ONLY ONE TRUE SYSTEM OF PHILOSOPHY founded upon principles, however variously and however contradictorily men may have philosophized over one and the same proposition.
Now that's an actual argument.

>>22501078
>Reality
>presupposes that which is to be proved

>>22501089
You do realize EVERY position presupposes, and the primary question isn't why does anyone perceive anything at all, but why does anything exist at all. Being and not the human intellect is the essential matter.

>>22501097
>You do realize EVERY position presupposes
yes but not that which is to be proved, which is the case with Reality, or what is in itself and would be whether the human mind existed or not.

>>22501104
It's really the blind leading the blind. Have fun! It's only your one life after all. There are a countless other lives, better lived, of course.

>>22501111
>It's only your one life after all.
my soul is immortal and my one eternal life subsumes my present earthly existence within it.

>>22500911

Based and true. Kant helped me overcome the mental illness known as materialism and find God.

>>22501247
good on you anon

bump

>>22500911
Materialists are so fucking dumb. Imagine thinking you're an intellectual when your entire philosophy is based on peekaboo and things cant exist if you can't see/observe them

>>22503187

Yeah. And wow the universe JUST SO HAPPENS to confotm perfectly to our human sense perceptions. WOW what a coincidence!

>>22503202
A PRIORI FORMS OF INTUITION AND CONCEPTS

>>22503202
but our sense perceptions evolved in reaction to the universe

>>22500911
I grew up tipping a metaphorical fedora at religious people. I want to ascend to a state in which I can tip my fedora at naive empiricists. Which Kant text is best for me if I only want to read one? Is the Prolegomena good enough?

>>22503211
That the Prolegomena is meant to be read before the critique of pure reason is a midwit meme literally refuted in the intro to the prolegomena:

>although a mere sketch PRECEDING the Critique of Pure Reason would be UNINTELLIGIBLE, UNRELIABLE, and USELESS, it is all the more useful as a SEQUEL. For so we are able to grasp the whole, to examine in detail the chief points of importance in the science, and to improve in many respects our exposition, as compared with the first execution of the work.


and also:
>I offer here such a plan which is sketched out after an analytical method, while the work itself [the Critique of Pure Reason] had to be executed in the synthetical style, in order that the science may present all its articulations, as the structure of a peculiar cognitive faculty, in their natural combination.

>Our representations must be given previously to any analysis of them; and no conceptions can arise, quoad their content, analytically. But the synthesis of a diversity (be it given a priori or empirically) is the first requisite for the production of a cognition, which in its beginning, indeed, may be crude and confused, and therefore in need of analysis,—still, synthesis is that by which alone the elements of our cognitions are collected and united into a certain content, consequently it is the first thing on which we must fix our attention, if we wish to investigate the origin of our knowledge.

Analysis always presupposes an antecedent synthesis, and the Prolegomena (the analysis) presupposes it's antecedent synthesis (the Critique).

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>>22500961
really can't thank you guys enough for soothing this generation of slaves. i personally really need them motivated, willing to work long hours in exchange for an "afterlife" (The part where you close the suicide loophole through sin is a really nice touch by the way!). big props on making god responsible for everything too! can't have them figuring too much out!

>>22500911
Oh yes, I started with him…

>>22503290
what is your deal, you autist?

>>22503309
leftism induced cognitive impairment

>>22503318
My good man, do not get confused, you and the leftists are fighting the same fight! The slaves need placation!

>>22503210

WOW ITS ALMOST LIKE THE REPRESENTATION OF OUR SENSES MATCHES THE REPRESENTATION OF OUR UNIVERSE

ALMOST LIKE GOD MADE THE UNIVERSE AND MADE US IN HIS IMAGE

AHHHHH I'M GOING CRAZY WHAT A COINCIDENCE SINCE GOD DOESN'T EXIST AND MATERIALISM IS TRUE

>>22503290

>le opiate of the masses meme

kek we've got a middle schooler here. But you know the cool thing is, it doesn't matter what you think. The truth is the truth. God is real and 2+2=4. Cope and seethe, and keep trying to fill that existential void until the day you die.

chink of konigsberg, lmao

CUNT
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAAHAH

>>22503360
>>22504060
meds. now.

True or false: space is time, but time is not space.

>>22504158

Space and time are both creations of the mind.

>>22503366
Using "God" to fill an "existential void!" Way to sell your problem before your solution! I have to ask though, do all the slaves you lord over buy into this "existential void" stuff? Or do some of them have other descriptions of their slavishness?

>>22500911
Pretty much this. Normalfags arent going to be able to read kant though, so you have to use things like Jordan Petersons maps of meaning series (pre fame). Cringe but it worked for me 8 years ago or whatever

>>22500911
why did it take Hegel to separate The Judgement from categories of judgement? where does Kant even try to do this?

>>22504273

Nothing I say right now will change your mentally-ill mind. But remember that we all worship something. We do it through our actions. Maybe take some time to think about what you worship and about what you order your life towards. It is probably your own ego. There's no shame in that - that's modern society. But with courage you can push through it.

I said a prayer for you.

>>22500911
>Humans cannot know the essence of things
>Experience is appearance
>but it's not subjectivism
The problem with Kant is his heavy reliance on dualism, but one cannot blame him since he was practically trapped in the Renaissance.

>>22504474

Schopenhauer provided part of the answer with Will and Representation. But he messed up because he concluded that all Will was undifferentiated without any reason to do so. In fact, the existence of separate beings shows that Will IS differentiated as reflected in the Representation.

>>22504420
Excellent performance! Bravo! I suppose all questions are best answered through demonstration, aren't they? But of course! Naturally a slave thinks everyone else is just like them, always begging on their knees. Are the warnings because they usually get quite mad and fall over if they try to stand upright? Well, I suppose existential voids require a bit more thinking by comparison, don't they! Anyway, I know the method to stooping down to their level is a bit dirty, but don't forget to take a bath every once in a while!

What's the end goal of phenomenology?

>>22503307
good job anon

>>22504646
cringe af

>>22500911
am i wrong for starting with neitzsche "the twilight of idols"?
>yes i'm a newfag in philosophy

>>22504646

le epic! exquisite use of language fine sir. truly your enlightened mind far surpasses silly concepts of a flying spaghetti sky daddy. bravo, have some gold!

>>22504646

Slave status: owned! +1 for refusing to live on your knees

>>22504713
fuck,nietzsche

>>22504713
>starting with neitzsche
neitzsche references shit every 5 seconds. Start with the greeks.

>>22504223
I can't make heads or tails of your post. Do you think my proposition is true or not?

>>22505684

We'll have you read and understood Kant? The material world is just as "unreal" as time. Both are constructions of the mind from the underlying unknowable reality.

>>22506264

Well*

>>22506287
Pic rel is an attempt to illustrate my point. Hopefully you'll be able and willing to pass judgement on it.

>>22500911
Kant is indeed a popular initiator but imo solidly in the C tier. I think he works much better as a jungler. Problem is then he's competing with Kierkegaard for that role and at that point why even bother?

Kant would have beat you with a mallet until unconscious for this post. How many times does he specifically have to state that we cannot know Noumena at all, even a little bit? You can’t seriously use Kant as an antidote for materialism and then in the same turn use Plato as an antidote for Kant. It makes zero theoretical and practical sense. The obvious turn for a more developed idealism post-Kant would be Hegel who actually attempts a refutation of Kant’s phenomenal schism instead of Plato who would still operates in the naive consciousness. Kant dunked on Plato every single time he got the chance.

>>22506299

I don't understand what you're saying. How is space "in" time?

>>22507232

And Schopenhauer dunked on Kant and showed how we can know it, through knowing our own existence. Schopenhauer is correct in that regard, and it shows that Aristotelian hylomorphism is true. There is the immaterial form/soul/will and the "material" representation. Different sides of the same coin.

>>22507743
Have you read up to the transcendental aesthetic? Time is the formal a priori condition of all phenomena whatsoever.

>>22503290
Cringe ass midwittery. Go back to plebbit

>>22500911
Structure of your thread:
Baseles assertions, commands, personal opinion

What and intelectualy stimulating thread wow. Bravo OP you are such an third eyer.

>>22500911
Substance dualism is only held up by religotards and magic believers, you retarded cunt.

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>>22507890
kys faggots

It's all happening inside your brain tier objectively irrefutable philosophy.

>>22508150
I am what?
Gentleman, this is third eye manifest!
Have a good look at the intellect here.

>>22507748
>knowing our own existence.
TIL schopenhauer got filtered by Kant

>>22507748
Schopenhauer failed to grasp the phenomenality of the self which is necessary in Kant’s system and only best resolved, as the other anon suggested, by Hegel.

>>22508568
NTA

In your opinion anon, do you finde Kants transcedental aesthethics and implication drawn from it reasonable? (Puting Hegels counterarguments aside).