/lit/ - Literature

>>22486818
How do you make bad people into compelling characters as protagonists?
I'm not talking about "morally grey heroes", but straight up despicable villains

rate, hate, and don't call me a psycho I've had a rough week

Anyone else need a cheap editor? I am waiting for Joel to send me his next book

>>22487055
start off with something more concrete.
>Two men were led into a room and placed side by side. From the group of soldiers, one pointed at the rightmost man.
what soldiers? are they in the room? it wasn’t easy at first to picture what this scene looked like.

So I joined a creative writing group at university. We meet for two hours every second Monday. Two hours feels really short when you're having fun. I strongly recommend you all seek out real life writing groups.

>>22487151
"Every herd is a refuge for giftlessness."

>>22487165
Then this applies for /wg/ as well. The difference is that in that rl group we all had a good time, whereas here we're all miserable.

>>22487151
Nah, I'm too self-conscious about my writing and I'd hate sharing it with people. Plus, I just generally dislike people in general anyway.

What do you think of the idea of writing a story that doesn't get bogged down in whole scenes?

More like a fairy tale where events string together like you're listening to a bedtime story. I dunno, I guess I'm just tired of the pacing of modern stories where everything is SCENE then SCENE where large portions of a story feel like they're just filler wasting my time.

>nearing the finale of my first draft
>have noted down so many parts I want to change I know the second draft will be almost entirely different besides a couple plot beats I liked
I-it's progress right

>>22487174
>Then
Please, go have a "good time" with them.

>>22487222
Is there a problem? You are implying there is, but you appear unable to articulate the exact nature of your complaint.

>>22487055
That's pretty rough. I agree with >>22487137 give the reader a bit more and really try to build the scene and let us know why we're supposed to be scared. Also work on your pacing and tone, I like the short worded monotone/deadpan thing you do when the soldiers are butchering the prisoners. It really emphasizes the coldness of the act but when your write like that for the entire page it makes it boring.

>>22487231
Consider what was quoted.

>>22487424
If ["Every herd is a refuge for giftlessness."], then [this applies for /wg/ as well]
If p, then q. That's logic.

>>22486818
I'm very new to writing but wanted to dive head first into something like a novella or slightly longer for subtle character study. Not too deep but gets some points across. My question(s) would be, is it a good idea to source oneself and past interactions for inspiration? How do you keep from bogging yourself down with the abundance of tiny details?
For context, the subject matter is dealing with trauma and it's effects on later interpersonal relationships. About how it never goes away but one learns to overcome when problems arise and soldiers on regardless.

what's a good way to share my writing if i live on the road and mainly write short stories / poems / essays that could be considered "travel writing" ?
travel blogs, apart from being somewhat outdated already, don't really seem like a solution.. do you think there is a future for this kind of writing ?

>>22487431
>then
You did it again!

>>22487450
Yes
Have a message and intent from the outset
You seem to have the idea

>>22487452
Substack
I dont know but people like travel blogs

>>22487463
You're still not articulating your problem.

"And then in 2011 I said a bunch of shit because I was literally psychotic"

"And these seethers, they are still in the room. You can't pay me enough for a solution."

>>22487469
Awesome. Wanted to settle on theme early so I didn't get sidetracked. Good to know I'm at least cooking with grease.

>>22487209
Stoner does this very well. It’s like 70k words but covers his entire adult life. It never feels like it skips over anything important. You are with him the whole time.

>>22487486
Go discuss it with your writing group, maybe they'll help you.

Started working on my critique. I take aim at the "fairer" sex, the woman, the female as the always self-serving, ever self-objectifying, and wretched being that she is. I am looking for criticism (be objective if possible; don't care about your seething posts defending your perverted cuckold fetishes). I am also interested in any literature suggestions. I want to expand the philosophical base supporting this work. I'm well-acquainted with Nietzsche and Schopenhauer videos, and I have probably watched more videos on this subject than you. Thus, suggestions for videos on these philosophers are likely to be moot. Interested in hearing your thoughts.

This is how the book will start:
>The woman of our modern times does not care about dignity, justice, honesty, trust, integrity, or decency, not to mention actual love. This new woman, the 'she-man,' if you like, has little sense of loyalty and is nothing but a shallow narcissist who is preoccupied with material success and the attainment of social status. This vaginaed creature attains 'her' wealth by having intercourse with any man who agrees to pay, directly or indirectly, e.g. through the institution of marriage and the subsequent divvying up of his assets, for her services. Her manicured claws sink deeply into his flesh, and as a parasite, she depends on his devotion. But she owes him nothing: cunt is a market commodity, a liquid product that is bought and sold and traded and re-sold again. And he is a fool, and there are no refunds.

>>22487631
Watch this
https://youtu.be/ejYqJ_1m9Ho?si=YIchI8F7OTa2vJzI
https://youtu.be/1J7o8udx71c?si=5ZWMr8JC9G1yeXfO

>>22487151
>talking to people for 2 hours straight
Too difficult. No thanks.

>>22487151
What do you do in the group? I did a writer group thing over Zoom once but I found it very difficult to write with a Zoom room full of people watching me. Wouldn't do that again but might try a group that's just about sharing work and getting feedback.

>>22487055
It's cute but pretty much empty shock if that's the whole thing

Continuing the high fantasy serial on Royal Road. Just search "Cursed Archivist." Chapters 1-3 (posted here prior) are all up.
Here's a sneak peek at chapter 4 which goes up tomorrow. Thoughts welcome as always

>>22487716
break up your paragraphs jesus christ

>>22487726
They're broken up on RR. That file is like a behind-the-scenes look

>>22487736
what the fuck are you doing, don't format it like that even behind the scenes

I'm getting close to finishing the first draft of my first novel, all I have left is the last chapter and I'm sitting just a little shy of 60k words. Gunna spend the next month or two tightening everything up. Does anyone have any experience with an editor out of curiosity? Good places to look, what to look for etc.

>>22487744
Are you just looking for something to complain about?

>>22487757
I want to read your sneak peek, but your bloated paragraphs are giving me an aneurysm. Why isn't the formatting 1:1 with what you have on RR?

>>22487744
>he's a presentation pleb
Cursed Archivist is only written for Content Chads

>>22487800
>muh real fiction
Not interested.

>>22487773
The first paragraph of chapter one was written to filter you specifically

>>22487803
>fantasy setting
>magic
>immortality curses
>"real fiction"
I get that you're baiting but at least try

>>22487716
>footnotes
In all seriousness, it reads well and though I'm not familiar with your writing it makes we want to find out more about Mars and what his uncle went through.

You can definitely stand to tighten up the narrative. At the beginning of the 3rd and 4rd paragraphs he keeps lingering while he's exploring. It's a little confusing and makes it difficult to establish what Mars is actually doing in the moment.
I get that you're emphasizing the connection to his uncle but by the time you stop Thorax is (presumably) already there.
I'd probably say focus on creating this romanticized image of Thorax and then have Mars go through this treacherous environment to eventually be saved by Thorax which helps confirm that he really was this badass. Either way just clean it up.

>>22487773
those are normal length paragraphs, anon

>>22487751
agent smith over here >>22462629 has been shilling himself hard for anons like you

>>22487837
They're bloated to hell, anon. Read WNs for what paragraphs should read like. Break that shit up.

>>22487835
Thanks for the feedback
>this treacherous environment
Was really trying to drive home the point that the environment is not particularly treacherous, just a quiet tropical paradise

>>22487847
If you honestly believe those paragraphs are bloated please don't read my work, I'm happy to have you filtered

>>22487839
Ahh tysm anon. I was kinda trying to avoid someone from here, but honestly it might be the best idea given the subject matter. Also it'll probably be the only editor I can afford lolol

>>22487857
>believe
I know it, because I've read WNs that break things up properly. Cramped paragraphs like that are a relic of trying to fit as many words into a single tiny page as possible.

>>22487863
I believe we're bound together despite our anonymity. It makes sense that we'd resist that given the context of this place, but don't forget, you're here forever.
Just do what I do and follow rules 1 & 2.

>>22487864
bleak

>>22487864
I have no idea what WNs are. I read books.

>>22487875
Bright.
I only wish old novels got this kind of editing treatment instead of being subjected to political correctness.

>>22487877
>I read
Don't lie.

>>22487880
Name 10 books

Bit of feedback would be appreciated. Aware this is one unbroken para but not honestly sure where to break it

>>22487885
Off the top of my head, Roald Dahl's works, since that's who came to mind on the topic of politically correct censorship.

>>22487895
>event.
>on.
>content.
>desire.
>leave.

Break each time.

>>22487864
lmao?

>>22487895
Come on man. You're expecting people to read and critique it for free already. Least you can do is make it presentable.

>>22487864
They hated him because he told them the truth.

>>22487716
Use linebreaks
Indented paragraphs just isnt pleasant digitally

>>22487869
>you're here forever
It's been fifteen years and I still find myself coming back to this dump, don't know what it is. It sucks mostly, but there's an honesty underneath it. And there's occasional good advice.

>>22487702
Mostly we talked about writing and gushed about how nice it was to meet other people who are also into it. The person running the group would give prompts, we'd do 10-minute writing sessions based on those prompts and then read out our stuff.
We've only had the one meeting so far.

>>22487895
Run-on kino, I like

>>22487899
Done

>>22487948
Cheers

>>22487917
Again, it'll look the way you want on Royal Road, that doc is just how I like to have it. However if you think the paragraphs are too long that's not my problem

>>22487961
>that's not my problem
You want to be successful, you better pay attention.

>>22487964
>nobody will like your shit unless you do things the way I like them

>>22487896
If your ten random books list doesn't include Ulysses you're a pleb

>>22488014
this arguement would work flawlessly in every single case, besides this one because formatting is a fairly objective and universal thing. Anon you managed to miss with 99% accuracy.

>>22488054
It's really not, and even if it was, he should probably go with the formatting used by the overwhelming body of existing published fiction. Also, paragraphs separate thoughts and time. Messing with paragraphs messes with the flow of the piece—they're not really a matter of formatting as much as they are authorial.

If you could make a guaranteed but very frugal/minimal living with your writing, would you quit your day job to focus on it?

This question goes out to the non-NEETs/basement dwellers

>>22487486
Other anon seems salty that he hasn't got friends kek
I tried making a /lit/ group at university. But since I'm from monkeyland, nobody wanted to participate. I graduated in Philosophy, for god's sake, but not a single soul read

>>22488105
No
Have you lived minimal living with no security?
Shit sucks and the goal of life is to avoid it

>>22488105
fuck yes my man, I write like a printer, It's just that I don't have a lot of time to write. I could with 100% sureness do it everyday and still have time for side gigs like digital art, animation, sculpting and collecting armies.

>>22488105
No. Making an art your job is the fastest way to make yourself hate it.

>>22488105
If I could make enough to live off, set my own working hours, and also have the free time to do a hobby or two then absolutely. The chances of that happening though are extremely unlikely.

>>22488121
It doesn't seem like most career authors hate their job. Honestly it seems like most of them love it Beats the alternative I would figure

>>22487726
>>22487835
>>22487917
thanks for the feedback :3

>>22488221
your welcome :3
*nuzzles ur head against my crotch*
m-maybe i could feed something back? owo;

how do you feel about resizing, italicizing, bolding text and mixing fonts to convey things like whispering, yelling, naturally loud voices, dominant voices, weak voices, old voices, young voices, etc.

>>22488302
I think it's an abomination.

>>22488302
It's a cute gimmick.
Cute gimmicks have their place, especially in the modern digitized world.
However, take care to use them sparingly. If you want to use them a lot, stick to short stories, text RP, etc.

>>22486818
Do they give those to minors?

>>22488302
It's hardly good prose or clever wordplay. It has it's place, sure, but personally I find it cringe.

/wg/ I got stuck on a novel for five years and dont have any passion for writing anymore. I want to write something else but my heart's not in it. I don't really feel excited for anything. is there anything I can do to rekindle the spark so writing will feel like a dream again rather than a burden

>>22488813
yeah, start over from scratch
obviously you're never going to finish the novel, but that doesn't really matter

>>22488302
it's a gimmick that's already trodden over by 2012 web novels so it doesn't really have the spark of novelty that it would need to be more effective than just good writing

>>22488816
Im asking how to get excited about a new novel after everything I went through. I have ideas ready to go, but the idea of writing at all makes me anxious, and it's not something taking a break will fix - I know this because Ive tried it

>>22488850
At some point you have to suck it up and push through
There's no progress made in waiting

>writing late into the night
>thought I remembered to save before stopping, like I did multiple times while writing
>wake up in the morning
>fucking WINDOWS UPDATE restarted my computer while I slept
>last autosave was 4 whole pages of work lost
very fucking cooooooooolllllllll I love writing

What even is the point of critique? It’s art. There is no wrong.

>>22488895
The contents of art are generally meant to be communicated
Communication can be ineffective
If your art is incomorehensible, it's lesser to the version of it which is coherent

>>22488895
a modern art book would need no critique because it can be whatever it wants to be

the AI tower of babel could be seen as an infinite library of modern art books

a book attempting to convey an actual message or spread a specific aesthetic beauty is also a book that will be subject to critique when it fails to send that message or portray that specific beauty.

if you call a poem a haiku and it doesn't fit the rules of a haiku, people are going to critique it for such, if a book is attempting to talk about social divides but ends up justifying killing the homeless, its going to be critiqued for giving the wrong message.

My gf likes to read young fiction and stuff and I started to write a short story that got a little extensive. Does the synopsis seem attractive to you guys?
>Story of Ulrich, an soldier returning from the frontlines after his first tour of duty with his fellow comrades in the megalopolis of Entrevastsus, a diesel-punk city with art-deco aesthetics, secretly tasked by his superior to track down his younger brother, Markov, sho he hasn't seen since Markov fled his home in his childhood, who's now involved in an underground lethal sport called "The Circle", where opponents fight to the death
This is just the beginning of the story, though. I used terms like "dieselpunk" and "art-deco" so you guys could grasp the story's aesthetics.

>>22488950
>a soldier
Fix'd. Glad at least I ain't writing it in english

>>22488302
Don't overuse 'em. You're trying to be a writer not a graphic designer

>>22489071
>You're trying to be a writer not a graphic designer
no, I'm trying to do all aspects aside from publishing for a graphic novel all by myself.

>>22489107
>graphic novel
In that case go nuts. You are trying to be a graphic designer.

>>22488950
>synopsis
>just the beginning of the story
pick one
Otherwise reads like generic buzzword-ridden goyslop. Your gf will love it

>>22488895
Maybe there's no wrong but there are patterns and critiques help you to see those

>>22489132
Thanks

>>22488875
>his word processor doesn't autosave
Meanwhile I haven't lost more than a couple sentences in a crash for years

>>22489165
>last autosave was 4 whole pages of work lost
anon.

>>22488813
>implying you only worked on that one thing for five years
Could never do this, I'd go insane. I need multiple projects going at once or I feel stifled.

>>22488895
>There is no wrong.
There is.

>>22489169
Ideal autosave does it for every single thing you write but your software probably has a setting to make autosaves more frequent. Unless you wrote 4 whole pages in like 5 minutes in which case why are you crying? Just spit it out again

>>22489175
No, that's wro- wait...

>>22488875
Google docs is your friend boss. Plus it can save through multiple devices. I know they're evil but autosaving every word is handy.

>>22489161
Not bad

>>22489175
No

To what extent should symbolism be obvious? To what extent should it be consciously designed? Let's say I want water to symbolize fear of failure. Well, first of all, should I even decide that a priori? And should I try to consciously insert that symbolism into the text? Or just write blind and let the story/subconscious decide on the symbolism and double down in revision?

>>22488875
Shit just happened to me. My computer doesn't even stay linked to the internet

Ive been somewhat stumped on how to expand the concept of my character’s powers awakening. In my universe cyborgs can access a deep hidden potential to create a power thats a mix of humanity and robotics. My main character is a cyborg robocop with a bit judge dredd type deal based on a goofy toy mascot character. One idea is that he was gonna have forms based on the past incarnations of himself the company made over the past few decades. In his base form he has a bunch of weapons/gadgets all with a 90s/80s toy aesthetic. Im kinda stumped on this.

>>22488875
>using Winbloze
you deserve whatever you get

>>22489288
The funny thing is I was using LIBREoffice, the default writing software that comes with most Linux distros.
>mention I use kali linux to leach off of other peoples wifi because I can't afford wifi
>proceed to cry that I'm doing illegal stuff and I should pay for my own wifi
you can never satisfy a linux poo-in-loonjabi

I spent ages on this poem, trying to make it do all sorts of things, but even though from my point of view it successfully does them, it got rejected by everywhere I submitted it to, so I guess not. /lit/ can have it. PS there is supposed to be an indent before 'O clockwork'

passing through my fingers
these bone white digits
a black wristband.

pulsing ‘round the face
this blood red minute
let down her hand—

winding it up in mine
O clockwork spirit

abandoned

>>22488302
I'd say the only place where they are done right are in fantasy stories, where voices can be beyond human. I know he gets memed on a lot here, but the way Death speaks in Terry Pratchett's novels (No marks, JUST BOLD TEXT) is I think a rather clever way to convey a voice which isn't really one. But for realist texts, absolutely no.

let's have another go

boobies

>tfw writing in Russian and 2ch "lit" is a much worse place than here

>>22489379
Ya know its good, i just keep laughing about boobies tho.
boobies.

>>22489317
Seems bad

think your idea is a disaster? at least it's not this

https://pastebin.com/hcenYXbd

>begin writing
>think it's really good
>reread
>want to scrape out my eyeballs
>begin restructuring and rewriting
>think its really good
>reread
>want to stab my neck
>begin restructuring and rewriting
>think its really good
rinse and repeat

Do you ever construct excerpts specifically to troll these threads?

>>22489174
It's not so much he worked on it so much as that he stalled on it while making little progress in it

t. projecting based off of my own 5 year slump

>>22489420
thanks.

>>22489515
>hey 4chan, I plan on publishing a book, here's a page of direct quotes for you to review bomb my book!
yes.

>>22489288
>pajeet using linux
the joke writes itself

>>22489515
No, but sometimes I post excerpts from Joyce so I can watch the thread tear them apart. Good fun

>>22489515
No, because I think trolling is the lowest form of existence.

>>22489515
I don't write ironically, it's bad for the soul

>>22489515
I occasionally write a paragraph just to post here, but it's not really trolling.

Book dropping soon, just finished the cover for it.

What do we think bros?

>>22489710
Unless they don't like it?

>>22489718
They always like it.

>>22489714
Meh. It's trying too hard

>>22489714
She looks like the kind of woman I'd catch an STD from if she breathed on me.

>>22489714
Pulp Fiction
Im into it. Bit tacky but in a way thats inoffensive

>>22489714
Reminds me of way too many things.
Just kind of Meh.

Anyone have a better writing aide than Grammarly? Almost all of the grammar related corrections it recommends are absolute trash or flat out incorrect.

>"I was walking down the street the other day and found a bottle. Today I will make it into a ship in a bottle."
>uhhh did you mean "I will made it into a ship"?
>did you mean "find a bottle"?
absolute cancer.

>>22487927
what was the prompt? lets do one now

Just watched that bomb episode of OOOs and I like how Eiji saved people not even transformed. I really like when a rider almost murders a person in cold blood for their own malevolent actions. Its that pure heroism I love to see in rider.

>>22489374
that was cool

>>22489714
good cover, anon. very aesthetic. makes me feel like I know exactly what kind of novel I’m getting.

>>22489780
???
Grammarly works fine if you already know grammar and there's no replacement for knowing grammar

>>22489800
thanks anon, your comment actually turned my shit day into a good one

>>22489374
that was shit

>>22489829
it was an example of the problem, but I don't want to keep on seeing the red line only to find out its because its trying to change "wants" to "wanted" in a sentence that started out past tense but is now present tense, or change a word to a completely different, incorrect word.

again, anyone have any better recommendations for writing aides that isn't grammarly

>>22489843
now my mood is neutral

>>22489850
I have an opinion too, but I won't tell it. Now you've got Schrodinger's mood.

>>22489844
>"a sentence that started out past tense but is now present tense"
>writes with improper grammar
>hurr durr dumb Grammary

>>22489854
yeah well my cat got run over by a car a few months back

Is third person limited with frequent internal monologue sections in italics a trashy style?

>start actually reading late 19th/early 20th century books
>writers use colloquialisms still used even today
>prose becomes surprisingly modern
Any other surprises from your reading to become a better writer?

>>22489855
Are you implying that this is not allowed in creative writing

>>22489789
Probably isn't as interesting in this setting. Pick
>a location on campus
>a book
>a real course
>a fictional course
>a positive and a negative personality trait
>a visible physical trait
>a patch/sticker
>a time of day and a time of year
>a teacher/professor/lecturer
And then create a fairy tale creature/mascot/urban legend out of that bunch of junk.

>>22489855
>I wanted to punch anon in the face, as he is being a dumbass.
>past tense first half, wanted, present tense second half, is being.
point out the grammatical inaccuracy.

>>22489182
I'm paranoid of anything on gdocs somehow getting leaked

>>22488302
it's jarring and irritating more than anything else
italicizing is fine

>>22489877
That's an annoying amount of constraints
Presumably easier when you're a student
Fairy tales are fun as fuck to write, glad you had fun

>>22489891
>That's an annoying amount of constraints
That's the whole point. You have to actually be creative when you're being restricted by rules.

>>22489901
Constraints was poor phrasing
All of these except the form constraints are just content requirements, which is boring as hell. Being asked to add more random shit is hardly a creative constraint

>Boyboy is here. perched above the smog. Watchers circle, moonlight gleaming off their bronze hulls as their camera shutters click . Thousands of stories above the niggers, thriving in their muck. Something itches in the back of boyboy's mind, he goes for the scratch. Flickering visions of contorted limbs extending from a moaning mass, lips. They casually voice their concerns for boyboy. Don't let the watchers watch they say, don't sit so close to the edge they say. Pay attention they say. Boyboy visualizes a grenade and blows the brain nigger away into little gory bits. Restless he gets up and looks around, spins and senses my presence. No way am I letting the little prick get near me. I swarm back into a coherent self, pack up my gear and slide into the closest hellevator shaft. I vocalise the co-ordinates f-a-g-6-9 and cum fills the pressurized shaft and sends me through an artificial current down, left, right, up, down, down ,down way down and then up. I ejaculate at my destination soaked in the lords fluids

Here is a passage from my novel. what do you guys think?

God my story is gonna be kino, but I'm afraid I won't be able to finish it. And that fear makes me want to stop writing for some reason, as if it's easier to give up now instead of later. But I gotta keep going. I really want to see it through even if it ends up being clumsy. I always get this impulse to give up and that it's hopeless any time I think of doing something meaningful to me. But so far I've been able to stick with writing and that makes me happy.

>>22489920
incredibly based. keep writing, anon.

Next chapter of Cursed Archivist is up on Royal Road

>>22487463
Wait, do you think "then" should be "than"?

>>22489969
Go cry to your fucking writing group about it you ESL-shitter lmao

>>22489969
Only on 4chan can you find people so arrogantly adamant in their ability to be completely wrong

>chapter one- 1,371 words
>2- 1,020
>3- 418
>4- 3,385
>5- 1,947
>6- 1,329
>7- 301
lol

>>22489980
>rather than admit his mistake, anon then doubled down

>>22489714
Font choices are rough, but other than that its pretty good

>>22489984
Chapter 0- 400 words or so.

There's something uniquely absurd about Royal Road user ads. That's about the closest you can come to paying readers just to read your shit.

>>22487716
You misspelled enchantments in your footnote.

Thorax is a fucking awful name. Change it.

>>22490040
I already fixed that and Thorax is my favorite character name so far

>>22490070
I'm just being honest, it makes it sound like it was written by a 15 year old who thought it was cool because he heard it in health class and it has the letter x in it. Terrible fantasy name.

>>22490086
Don't say that to Thorax, he'll punch ya

>>22490036
>author's introduction- 9001 words

>>22489780
Google Docs is pretty good but it can get funny sometimes.

>>22490100
If I could talk to my computer it would be like that.

>>22489880
Some undermined time ago you wanted to punch anon in the face because he's currently being a dumbass? Ridiculous.

>>22487463
Retard.

>>22486818
How long do you spend fleshing out an idea before actually writing it?

LOUD sounds of engine revving
LUNGS inahling exhaling within ribcage
alien heart BEaTING faster bubump bubump bubump
BOOTS stomping across asphalt getting louder
POV of complex green HUD. electronic clicking music, ambient noise dampened. it is perceiving the boots man.
he has bulging round eyes. grinding teeth with carnivore incisors. the end of one arm houses a see through
orb of liquid where a hand should be, it is increasing in size.
HUD cycles through a range of weaponry. acid, fire, ejecting and retracting piston spear,
wire whip, circular saw projectile.

>>22490223
exactly no time at all

>>22490223
Literal years in some cases.

My good ideas are just amalgamations of my poorer ideas. I take the good bits from shit ideas.

I really, really wish I could tell you guys about my asshole murderous cat.

Haven't done non technical writing in 2 years. Wrote 1100 words of erotica today, feels good to be back at it

>>22490223
Almost none. I flesh it out in the writing of it. Then realize it's all fucked up and that I should have planned better.

I've written this sentence:
>Questions poured out of him like a leaky faucet, in that when it became clear they were no longer welcome, they merely began to drip out instead.
and realized that I use this phrasing "in that" or "in the way that" as a crutch
how should I rephrase it to sound less retarded

>>22490957
>Questions poured out of him, until it became clear they were no longer welcome. Then they began to drip out of him slowly, like a leaky faucet.
maybe something like that. or, just remove “in that” and have “when” be the start of a new sentence.

>>22490957
Reads alright as it is.

>>22490957
There's no flow to it b/c you come to a sudden stop 3 times for something completely unimportant.

>>22490957
The comparison between the frequency of questions and a leaky faucet simply doesn't work, and there's no flow - too wordy.

>>22490957
>Questions poured out of him like a faucet. When it became clear they were no longer welcome, his questions dripped out instead.

>>22490983
This reads much better imo and the analogy flows more clearly. In >>22490957 the way you use "in that" after "poured out" directly followed by the idea of his questions not being welcome grammatically implies that they are pouring out because they are not welcome, which I know is not what you intended. And the analogy gets muddled because you seem to be going for the idea that leaky faucets drip slowly yet in your very first line you associate them with pouring. If your goal was to capture the image of a broken faucet that sputters to life at first and then slows to a drip, or perhaps one that continues to leak after turning it off then I think you failed to capture that.

>>22490957
This doesn't work at all, for reasons anons above point out. If you include a larger excerpt with more context, we can find a better comparison, or figure out if we really need to use one to begin with.

>>22490070
thorax (n.)
"chest of the body," late 14c., from Latin thorax "the breast, chest; breastplate," from Greek thōrax (genitive thōrakos) "breastplate, chest," of unknown origin.

lots of feedback... thank you for taking the time to respond

>>22491158
>person is named after a thing
unheard of

When I was younger, I had this habit where every sentence had to stretch out for as many clauses and phrases as the language would allow. I've come to appreciate the tone and pacing a simple "She entered the elevator." in the right place can provide

>>22491212
I'm going to name a character "Elbow" and expect everyone to think it's totally cool.

>>22491296
Thorax could be his nickname because he has a massive chest

>>22487716
Thorax is a shit name. Might as well name a motherfucker Antenna or Foot.

>>22491314
Or he has no arms and legs

>>22490902
That's the only way I can escape outline hell. The draft becomes a blueprint for what to/not to do.

>>22490223
Unironically 10 years

>>22491296
Sure, why not?

>>22491594
No, I don't want that!
Anon writing another story...?
Even after I become irrelevant I want him to think about me for a while!
10 years, at least!

>>22491323
Man I can never predict what aspect my writing is going to trigger /wg/. It's why I love posting my stuff here

Might post in next thread but

How would you guys write an age gap relationship of 10 - 20 years?

Young person (20s - 30s) and Older person.(Late 30s to 50+)

And mean writing it in a normal way not some "Look at this creepy pedo!" people like to make Like an actual relationship

>>22491662
That would depend. Is the age gap a key element of the story or simply a background piece of information about the characters? If it's the latter then you would write it just like any other relationship.

>>22491662
It entirely depends on who is older, the man or the woman, as well as their backgrounds. Large age gaps among same sex couples is more commonly accepted because those types of relationships are already unusual. Just remember that everything comes down to setting and characters, where and when your couple is as well as who they are and who they're around.

Personally, I'd write them like the intergenerational couples I've encountered in life, then take some inspiration from my parent's relationship as well as friendships I've observed been those of different age groups.

Im a sucker for women from a sad background. like a truly abusive childhood. So almost all the (interesting) irls I write about are like that. Sad or insane women with horrible pasts.
Its just my thing.

you guys should it too. Lets make this a trend

>>22491486
>>22491314
I don't remember writing that

>>22491662
I don't get these "how would you write X" posts. What are you even asking? Do you want me to write your story for you?

>>22491662
You're an autist for acting like the numerical age difference is the only thing that matters and not the genders / age of the youngest

>>22491853
>>22491837
>>22491731
>>22491723


Figure i'd make it more clear of what i'm asking

My characters is a 21 year old male and a 37 year old male.

Other wise then that they are normal and have normal backgrounds

>>22487055
I like it. Sadly the rest of your respondents have no taste.

>>22487137
>start off with something more concrete.
No, it's good. It's direct. I immediately liked it more than most stuff that gets posted in this thread, for that reason.

When people start 'The weak shaft of dying daylight straggled into the dank dungeon chamber as the two prisoners shuffled into its fatal gloom, trembling and cursing their plight,' or some bullshit like that, then I immediately don't care. I feel like the writer doesn't know what they're going for. So they just go for detail, for description, because 'it's what you're supposed to do'.

Ready any Kafka story, and you won't get more description than what the original poster had. And anyway, two men being led into a room for their execution *is* evocative, it does summon up something vivid and phantasmic, but it does so through tale-telling, not by attempting to mimic a video-game cutscene.

>>22487372
Again, I disagree.

>let us know why we're supposed to be scared
We're supposed to be scared because of the man waiting for orders and instead receiving a machete, because of lines like 'His exposed spine jutted up'. You don't need to give them backstories, a memory of their sweet wife.

>when your write like that for the entire page it makes it boring
At what point do you think it needed to be spiced up? I can't identify the point where the energy of the piece lags. What would disrupt its momentum, though, if it suddenly stopped to insert an obligatory description of how horrified and remorseful the character was feeling, or how scared he was of death. It would be totally redundant, even bathetic.

If you're writing a one-page grim execution nightmare, make it a grim execution nightmare. Imagine if amid all the otherworldly austere figures in an Aztec carving, there was one character rendered in a contemporary realist style, just because the Aztec stone-carver thought his style was getting boring. He'd deserved to be executed himself.

>>22491296
>>22491314
>naming a thing after a bodypart because it sounds cool
Germans.

>>22491934
>My characters is a 21 year old male and a 37 year old male.
Just write the older one as having groomed the younger one with a straight face.
Seriously, fags will eat that shit up. Most of them were groomed or raped to begin with.

>>22487055
I like it. Sadly the rest of your respondents have no taste.

>>22487137
>start off with something more concrete.
No, it's good. It's direct. I immediately liked it more than most stuff that gets posted in this thread, for that reason.

When people start 'The weak shaft of dying daylight straggled into the dank dungeon chamber as the two prisoners shuffled into its fatal gloom, trembling and cursing their plight,' or some bullshit like that, then I immediately don't care. I feel like the writer doesn't know what they're going for. So they just go for detail, for description, because 'it's what you're supposed to do'.

Ready any Kafka story, and you won't get more description than what the original poster had. And anyway, two men being led into a room for their execution *is* evocative, it does summon up something vivid and phantasmic, but it does so through tale-telling, not by attempting to mimic a video-game cutscene.

>>22487372
Again, I disagree.

>let us know why we're supposed to be scared
We're supposed to be scared because of the man waiting for orders and instead receiving a machete, because of lines like 'His exposed spine jutted up'. You don't need to give them backstories, a memory of their sweet wife.

>when your write like that for the entire page it makes it boring
At what point do you think it needed to be spiced up? I can't identify the point where the energy of the piece lags. What would disrupt its momentum, though, if it suddenly stopped to insert an obligatory description of how horrified and remorseful the character was feeling, or how scared he was of death. It would be totally redundant, even bathetic.

If you're writing a one-page grim execution nightmare, make it a grim execution nightmare. Imagine if amid all the otherworldly austere figures in an Aztec carving, there was one character rendered in a contemporary realist style, just because the Aztec stone-carver thought his style was getting boring. He'd deserve to be executed himself.

>>22491934
You'd have me stumped there anon. I don't know how to write gay couples, I'm not sure I've actually ever spoken to any. But as far as how other characters might react to them? I suppose for the most part that would depend on their own releationships, as well as their relationship to the couple. Though for the everyman it would be viewed as quite odd, especially with such an age gap. The average joe would talk about the age gap alone, never mind any bias toward same sex couples. The men in the couple would likely earn a nickname down at the local, said only behind their backs. Newcomers to the area may know of the couple through word of mouth before meeting them. People talk when people do things out of the ordinary and it's not always nice. I know women who's fathers or uncles have begun dating women their age or younger. They gossip a lot with their friends about it, mostly out of concern for their family member's well being. Thoughts of "She's playing him, the golddigger" to "How can he think this is alright?". Why are you writing such a controversial couple in the first place?

>>22491966
kek

>>22487055
Eh its okay
>>22491970
This dude's a dork but his spergout encouraged me to read your piece

it is almost time for me to do a weekendlong writing sprint
i will not leave my bed i will type on my laptop until keys begin to break i will write 30000 words they will all be perfect and it will be published as-is

I cannot write dialogue for the life of me. I can write monologue or description no problem but I end up with basically non-verbal characters. I'm not sure both in the purpose of what they should be saying and how to write dialogue that sounds like people actually having a conversation.

god tier book on writing

>>22492063
>character has a goal
>how do they reach the goal?
>what people are necessary to reach the goal?
>what are those people like?
>what setbacks do those people cause for the character?
>what conversations would have to take place for the character to reach those goals or setbacks?

wham bam
>tod needs to make a game
>his stockbrokers dont like his games anymore
>tod needs to argue for his stock brokers to fund him
>one stockbroker promises 10m in stocks for his new game
>what arguments with the non funders take place
>what conversation convinces the one to spend 10m?

>>22492063
>write dialogue that sounds like people actually having a conversation
one choice is to write dialogue that does not sound like people actually having a conversation as a stylistic choice. The movie "The Lobster" would be an extreme example of this

>>22492106
fucking love that film

>>22492063
>I'm not sure both in the purpose of what they should be saying and how to write dialogue that sounds like people actually having a conversation.
If you are not sure what the purpose of the dialogue is then why are the characters talking?

Don't get me wrong, there doesn't have to be a purpose. But lack of purpose should be the purpose. It shouldn't be random, the characters should reveal themselves.

>>22491662
Need way more context than that

>>22487055
flows a bit awkwardly, I didn't like reading it

>>22492063
They don't need to sound like real people having a conversation. Dialogue feeling natural is more about verisimilitude than realism. Real people conversations are fucking boring in 90% of cases, nobody wants to read that shit.

If you don't know what they should be saying then think about what you want to tell the reader rather than obsessing over how they talk to each other. What information about the world do you want to convey to the reader? What about their attitudes do you want to convey? Their relationship? The way they are feeling right now? Take those and filter it through the characters personality and manner of speech. If you don't have answers to those questions then you are severely lacking in your plan or understanding of your own story. If you've already explained all of those elsewhere outside of dialogue then you're most likely doing too much exposition dumping. Honestly I don't see how you could struggle to find the purpose of them speaking unless you're just forcing two people to talk for literally no reason in a situation where they don't have anything to talk about in which case why are you making them talk?

>>22492063
that's funny because i'm the complete opposite, i'll start a conversation between two characters and i'll have to trim out 75% of it to keep the wordcount reasonable
trying to think of it generally, in conversations i usually have at least one character that is enthusiastic/eager about something and they are driving the dialogue
i.e. in more autistic terms, a character has a goal and they're either describing it or are trying to achieve it, and other characters are responding to the way they're doing that
if at least one person isn't excited (to an interesting degree) about what they're talking about, it doesn't really need to be a conversation in narrative form

>>22492063
>I'm not sure both in the purpose of what they should be saying
Off the top of my head, there's a few reasons why you'd write a conversation
1. to give insight into one or both of the characters personalities, thoughts, beliefs, values, etc.
2. To act as a natural way to deliver exposition
3.To advance the plot
4. Because it would not make sense to have these characters at the same place and not have a conversation
For 1-3, you generally want to think of what the conversation is meant to accomplish first, then think of a reason why the characters would be talking about it, and then write the dialogue. For 4, you should try to either keep it brief or find a way to incorporate one of the others

>>22492222
>excited
Not the word I'd use. Especially considering my character doing most of the talking is just spilling his old remorse and guilt.

This might sound like a really weird question but are there any sources about the history and evolution of the wizard archetype?
Or, like what sources would Tolkien have pulled Gandalf from? I know he was based at least partially on Odin (Tolkien did love the Norse stories) and as a Brit probably some Merlin as well, but are there any analyzes of how the idea of ancient and wise old men came to be in stories?

>>22489880
>since he is being a dumbass
>because he is being a dumbass
Better.
"As" are the two most overused letters in the language. The word has enough unique uses of its own, let's not start feeding it meanings that are more clearly expressed by other words. Let us seek to eliminate ambiguity, not increase it.
I have always hated this trend since I first heard it out of British and Australian mouths, but I noticed it start getting really widespread in the last 5 years or so, and just recently it's been driving me crazy. Probably because smart phones have proliferated so far now, and it's such an easy word for ESLs and low-IQs to just throw in almost anywhere.

>Internally, anon was having a sperg metldown as he wrote post Number 22492284

>>22492284
>better
do you mean "your sentence has now been made to be more precise, and thus this post is now less vague to read"
I hate how the english language has evolved over the last few decades, the turn of the milenium has given to many falsities and vagueness casualties as not elaborating on every last part of every last sentence. All of fiction and non fiction needs to be written much like a science journal meets a textbook, as we always and should always write. there is no such thing as keeping unimportant aspects of writing shortened down, we need absolute precision and explanations of all parts of text. I am not a fan of colloquialisation, slangs, or any other quick method within writing. You are all low intelligent quotent, and english second language speakers, and I am the superior being who does not, cannot, refuses to shorten my words.

I AM absolutely, terribly seething, as you sir, have made me mad from your presence of quick, short words left to vagueness. Good day, and goodbye.

>>22492284
"As" is a word and not letters thoughbeit

>>22492284
It is as it is

>>22492499
See you tomorrow!

>>22492617
well no shit, I'm just making fun of the other guy, see you tomorrow too

>>22491934

What are you trying to do with your story? If it has nothing to do with your story then you write it like anything else. An age gap of this type is nothig unusual in the gay population, so there's no reason to make a big deal out of it. If you need an example, read some Christopher Isherwood.

>>22492499
Your gay

>>22492667
my gay? my little pet gay? the gay whom I own and take care of as my own?

>>22492272
>This might sound like a really weird question but are there any sources about the history and evolution of the wizard archetype?
Not a weird at all.

>and as a Brit probably some Merlin
Ja.

>but are there any analyzes of how the idea of ancient and wise old men came to be in stories?
Druids.

>>22492667
This funnier because it's in a writing general.

>>22492499
>quotent
ngmi. also i agree with u

>>22492187
I agree. I wrote it hungover and it sucks. I wrote this later see if you like it better.
>>22489374

>>22492910
It's a lot better. Almost hard to believe it's written by the same person. I could nitpick a few things, but I'm too tired atm. Overall I liked it.

>>22486818
Why is Conrad so good a writer?
Why am I so bad a reader?

>>22492987
Currently trying to write something like his style, at least in the opening of Nostromo.
Could be worse.

Why is past tense so favored over present tense? I feel like present tense is much more immersive and really puts the reader there in the moment, whereas past tense feels like a summary of events.

>>22492994
Most people at least in some respects write like they're talking to someone. And you wouldn't tell a story to someone in the present tense.

>>22492994
conditioning

>>22492994
It makes rational sense. Even if the events are fictional, you're telling them as if they actually happened.
Take up screenwriting if you really like writing in present tense

I'm a copywriter for work. I write about 2,000 words per day, but it's mostly just product descriptions and glorified ads.
Will this kind of work help my writing abilities at all in the long run? Technically I spend more time actually writing than 90% of this board.

>>22493063
No.
Prose/artistic writing and most pedestrian writing tend to be opposed. Unless you are writing haikus about car insurance, that is.

>>22493063
No, but it could help your ability to get writing done and not just stare at the screen

>>22492994
Because most authors fucking suck at writing present tense. It's not easy.

>>22492994
Present tense reads weird to me.>>22493033
This too. It's just how we've always told stories

>>22493063
Yes and no.

Anyone else know this feel?

I got a publishing deal for my litrpg trash webnovel lol

Guys, I'm out of "The zone" how do I get back into "The Zone"

>>22493124

>>22493063
>Will this kind of work help my writing abilities at all in the long run?
to some extent

>>22493124
>litrpg

>>22493133
>>22493124
actually unironically that sounds kinda cool, is it anything like a CYOA novel?

>>22493128
Not ingramspark and sure as shit no faggot youtube channel
got an actual publishing deal with a smaller publishing house
some guy connected to them liked me and shilled me to them

I self-published on amazon years ago and didn't gloat about it then because, well, exactly that video you posted, at least that same sentiment

>>22493133
I revile playing accountant so the stat screens only show up at major milestones

>>22493136
usually it's a setting with rpg-esq mechanics baked in or a story where the protagonist or a small handful of characters have them
some are full on gamelike worlds (Log Horizon) while others are much softer and just use the litrpg shit as a concrete representation of character growth

>>22493139
Nice. How popular is your webnovel, and how did you get people interested initially?

>>22493144
around a thousand followers on rr, give or take 1-200 because i don't want to be too specific
I directed readers from my existing webnovel, exchanged shoutouts with other authors, and also ran a couple ads on the site (you can get something like 330k impressions for 50 bucks as an author on the site)

>>22490642
and today I hit 3000 words
I'm having fun.

>>22493139
>it's not anything like a CYOA novel
I changed my mind, that sounds kinda dull.

>>22493150
If I am consistently writing something, it seems like my life goes a lot easier.

Gotta give your readers plenty of time to digest each chapter, that's what I say

>>22492973
hangover me vs sober me, anyway thanks

>>22493127
brute force

>>22493063
Enjoy your job while you can. Copywriters are being replaced by AI.

>>22493124
Congratulations, anon!
>>22493128
>>22493133
jealous gatekeeping

>>22493124
You didn't fall for any vanitypress deal, did you? Or "we'll kickstart your amazon book"-bullshit?

>>22486818
Hey anons. I need some help. I can't seem to come up with a compelling beginning of story for my world. I've laid the foundation of my world pretty well and have the middle and end of the story fairly figured out. But for some reason, as I try to brainstorm for a beginning I can't come up with anything.

I was also trying to avoid the Fellowship of the Ring type of beginning for a fantasy story and wanted to do something unique. But my ideas seem to run out of steam

>>22494254
start in the middle instead.

>>22494254
Should've spent that worldbuilding time mapping out your narrative
>>22494304
based and in medias res pilled

>>22494304
There's an idea. Can't believe I never considered this. Only problem is that you'd be thrown off the deep end and have no context but I guess I can figure that out.

>>22494360
Fair enough, but in my defense I have been trying to make a beginning for a long time now

Could I get some feedback on this? It's a small section I just wrote from a larger manuscript so a little context may be missing, but these are newly introduced characters. I am already considering changing to past tense. But I am wondering how clearly the characters' personalities and some of the things I hinted at come through. And also if it keeps your attention and makes you want to know more or if it is just boring.

>>22494441
It's mid. Reminds me of The Lighthouse but I didn't find this passage particularly interesting. Doesn't really give that much insight into the characters' personalities beyond exposition. All we really get to know is that the old man has a short temper and the young one isn't comfortable around him.
I read a lot of screenplays so I didn't really take notice of the tense. Seems like an arbitrary choice.

>>22494441
I agree with the change to past tense if for nothing more than making it easier to read. I think the characters have distinct voices so that's a pro. I also liked the prose, but I think converting the tense will make it even stronger. What's here is good and should be developed.

>>22494512
>he can't read stuff in present tense
you are like little baby

I'm writing a stockholm syndrome erotic novel where the reader is supposed to self-insert as the victim. Would it be stupid if I suddenly revealed some light sci-fi or fantasy elements at the end so that it was possible for the rapist to know all along that this was what the victim truly wanted. This way the reader and victim can be comforted knowing the person they fell in love with was ultimately a good person

>>22494594
I can read it. I just think it lends itself aesthetically to prose.

>>22493150
>no excerpt
Come on homie

>>22494713
sounds like a cop out. just let it be dark. it’s a fantasy.

>>22493173
Give it a chance. It’s not like it hasn’t been done here before. Pic related. Probably the best thing F Gardner has put out. I actually keep up with /wg/ releases in the pastebin.

>>22495214
I’m more interested in the project Gardner’s been teasing.

I just sort of jumped in and started writing a bunch of short stories? Is that a reasonable approach or should I be studying fundamentals first

>>22495419
I'd say short stories are a good starting point.

>spend fuckton of time outlining
>schizo write the draft at a pace of 10-20 pages per day
>spend fuckton of time in revision
anyone else like this?

>>22495487
That's the way to do it. If you spend too long trying to make your first draft as good as you can, you end up stalling. Your "revision" might be the issue. Start a second draft and rewrite everything, leave editing, what I'd call "revision", for your third and hopefully final draft.

>>22488895
If your art has a goal then there's almost always a better way of achieving it.

>>22489530
>he doesn't know

>>22489723
Oh yea? Link it. I will be sure to dislike it

Is there a less cringe way of getting the same effect as ERP ellipses stuttering spam
e.g. "P...p..please don't hurt me d...daddy

>>22495584
Use it minimally.

>>22495584
The em dash can work to interrupt a sentence.
>"You--" He cut himself off, choking on his words. "You wouldn't..."
If that's what you mean.

>>22495214
skip the 16 garbage-tier "books" and just read this for free: https://files.catbox.moe/aw9gz2.pdf

>>22495845
Oh my God, this guy really sucks

If the POV character is replaying dialogue in their head someone else had said before, should it be italicized and have quotation marks?

>>22495877
either or, really, but it's a pretty awkward device and probably should be avoided

>>22495867
It’s a counterfeit F Gardner book. Here’s what F Gardner books actually read like.

>>22495867
"Call Of United Airlines" is an astute parody of the groundskeeper's "books".

>>22495901
But it’s just boring. I mean compare it to this >>22495900
1 page of Gardner blows this out of the water. Isn’t a parody supposed to be an exaggeration of the real thing? It’s not even as crazy as one paragraph from that.

>>22495910
It has to be boring and schizo, otherwise it's not faithful to the source material. It's also understandably difficult for sane people to be as schizo as the groundskeeper.

>>22494254
I'll take a fellowship styled beginning over the obligatory action scene """hook""" modern fantasy authors so love to fall back now

>>22495998
Just consider that if "Lord Of The Rings" was released today, it would vanish without a trace...it would be considered too boring and slow. The rules of pulp fiction, e.g. starting with a bang, are ignored at your own peril.

>>22495998
Blame the readerbase for calling any opening that tries to set the scene boring then

>>22496011
I'd rather write one good book and then die than let modern """readers""" (at a sixth grade level) dictate my word choice and pacing and themes

>>22494441

Definitely change to past tense. It reads like a frigging screenplay.

>>22496019
Then prepare to join a very large group of completely failed authors whose work made no impact whatsoever. I know I'm not OK with that.

>>22494254
One way is to open with a character (not necessarily the main character, or even an important one) doing something that would be mundane in their world but is fantastical in ours.
example
>a man with an axe is looking over a fallen tree
>he begins chopping at it, presumably making firewood or something like that
>he says that he "found it" and starts cutting more precisely throwing the reader off
>He pulls a heart and some other organs out of the tree
>the protagonist, an alchemist, enters and asks then man if he has procured the ingredients for his elixir yet
>the man hands them over and says some comment about having a hard time catching the tree or something else to establish that there are tree creatures in your world
>protagonist pays him and leaves, this man is never seen again.

Hey speaking of shitty actiony hooky fantasy openings, rate the first couple hundred words of mine. Can't decide if it's worth starting the book this way before establishing stakes or not.
https://pastebin.com/iWtg1b01

>>22496078
The initial hook is good and you do a good job at weaving an appropriate amount of exposition in during the action
Some small technical errors here and there (e.g. you write "bone chilling" instead of "bone-chillingly") but the bigger problem is with awkwardly flowing sentences. For instance
> He was blind under that water, so cold that it would have been freezing if it hadn’t been flowing.
Thinking about it logically I interpret it as
>he couldn't see under the water because it was dark out, and that's why he had to count the time in the previous sentence to know where he was
but reading through it straight through it. First the comma before the adjective phrase is not erroneous, but it is not necessary and trips you up for a second making you think so is being used as a conjunction. Then the majority of the sentence is devoted to describing how cold the water is when the sentence's purpose was supposed to be establishing why he is counting. It confuses the meaning and makes you forget that the blindness and timing are connected and instead think that the blindness and coldness are somehow connected
Also the mention of birthday parties comes across as a bit anachronistic, but that may just be because I don't know all the details about your setting

>>22496147
Yeah sometimes I write sentences weird because my brain wants me to try to be Cormac McCarthy but I need to recalibrate it to be more normal. Maybe I'll read some GRRM chapters to get back on track. Also, I thought about it some after I posted it and I think I'm going to rewrite it to have more of a sense that they're being chased after they come up from the water. Trying to work on keeping my scenes tighter with that kind of thing.

Fellas... I'm tired...

one more because I need practice. feedback appreciated

>>22495419
>fundamentals
What, you gonna go back to learning the alphabet nigga? lmao you gonna do 50 reps of SENTENCE? on some Bart Simpson blackboard shit? lmao fuck outta here JUST WRITE THINGS MOTHERFUCKER

>>22495419
George Orwell said just write as much as fucking possible

>>22496259
He also said alcoholism was a beautiful way to die

>>22496369
based

>>22496376
Is Disco Elysium /lit/?

>>22496381
If one game got to be /lit/, then Disco Elysium is it.

>>22496369
he's right thoeverbiet

>>22496369
he’s right though
t. alcoholic

>>22496388
ahem

>>22493150
5800 words, but this acceleration will wind down tomorrow as I finish the first chapter and start revision

Reading jane austen, it makes me hope that one day I will be skilled enough to write about simple people doing simple things and have it be interesting

>>22496483
what's that in pages? novel? novella? no cheating with font size

>>22496502
Relevant interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTPxWkBgW6U

>>22496526
8 pages in the document editor, defualt font and spacing. I believe it translates to about 19 pages in a published book, but I have no intention of publishing this
>novel? novella?
I don't know. I just started writing and I'll stop writing when it's time to stop

>>22493124
How?
Like, did someone actually email you or something?

Someone start a new thread

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