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Where do I start with the Western Canon?
What are some essential works?
Should I start with the Greeks?

>> No.22484559

how bout quit asking this shit

>> No.22484562
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>>22484548
19th Century Technologies

>> No.22484565

>>22484548
Start with the Talmud, the basis of modern western spirituality

>> No.22484575

>>22484565
This.

>> No.22484583

>>22484548
http://sonic.net/~rteeter/grtbloom.html
Start with the King James Bible, chuddy

>> No.22484589

Go to uni and study Classics (Greek + Latin) for your bachelors. Then get a masters in Philosophy and Linguistics. While doing this, you have to autistically LARP as an aristocrat from the past. Meanwhile also study German and French. For reading: go through the /lit/charts, skip any book you don't know the language of yet. Return to it immediately once you have learned it.

>> No.22484598

>>22484548
ASOIAF

" psychological damage suffered by his generation, but nonetheless viewed his turmoil as unique: ‘I can truly say that I am not in this world, and this is not simply intellectual posturing.’53 In his last letter to Artaud, Rivière finally struck empathetic chords, admitting to suffering the pangs of self-doubt Artaud had continuously expressed, but conceding that Artaud experienced a more profound torment, the annihilation of the soul. If it was any consolation, Rivière offered a ray of hope for Artaud’s creative output: ‘Who does not know depression, who has never felt the soul impaired by the body, invaded by its weakness, is incapable of perceiving any truth of the nature of man." - Nimble Dick

>> No.22484599

>>22484589
Aren't Classics departments mostly staffed by people who hate the Classics want to destroy the Classics and to turn it into a branch of contemporary activist studies?

>> No.22484607

>>22484599
touch grass. The world isn't as retarded as your imagination

>> No.22484617

>>22484607
Those who can't apply proper punctuation should be mouth-raped and disregarded.

>> No.22484618

>>22484599
Depends, on the university I suppose. At my uni the professors are all mega Roma/Hellaboos. There are def leftist electives like "Minorities in the Roman Empire", but even those are alright.

>> No.22484624

>>22484617
u-r a, *fag;

>> No.22484636

>>22484607
https://unherd.com/2021/02/dont-cancel-the-classics/

>> No.22484638

>>22484624
Wowza that is not super heckin wholesome of you Xir. Yikes, I advise thee to touch some grasseth theyself.
WOULD your female loved ones btb teehee.

>> No.22484641

>>22484589
this will kill you, slowly and painfully, never try it. especially in microwave time

>> No.22484666

>>22484636
Unherd used to be so good:
unherd.com/2021/08/twilight-of-the-american-left/

>> No.22484804

>>22484565
But it's Jewish, and Jews bad?!

>> No.22484870

Sonichu probably.

>> No.22484964

>>22484548
Greeks. Already a thread up with this topic. It doesn't matter if you post pepe or chudjak, the answer is going to be the greeks.

>> No.22485054

>>22484599
No. Stop letting propaganda rot your mind. Most people don't dedicate their lives to studying shit they hate.

>> No.22485066

Start with Ur, Egypt, the Hebrews, and the Chaldeans.

Emerald Tablet
Ecclesiastes
Job
Song of Solomon

>> No.22485072
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>>22484565
Balls. European nations and their offshoots have always been pagan in character. Even Christianity had to acknowledge this.

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>>22484598

>> No.22485079

>>22485072
>pagan in character
european ethos has been exclusively jewish for the past 1500+ years
You are spiritually jewish

>> No.22485085

https://mathchan.org/lit/thread/1#p1

>> No.22485110

>>22485079
Do you commemorate Christmas, Easter, or even Hallowe'en? Congrats, you're spiritually pagan.

>> No.22485202

>>22485110
Christmas - celebration of Christ's death
Easter - celebration of Christ's resurrection
All Hallow's Eve - celebration of all Christians who have passed on particularly the martyrs.

>> No.22485204

>>22484548
Homer and the Greek playwrights > Plato>> Aristotle

That should take a while but when you finish that then come back here. That is the way you start the Canon. Each of the canon writers are responding to those who came before them.

>> No.22485219

>>22485202
No you don't get it! Those holidays occur in the winter, spring, and fall and pagans had holidays in those seasons too!!! And look, there is a handful of harmless folk traditions some cultures associate with the holidays (although not even all Christians). Thus, the holiday is not really Christian but actually a celebration of traditions that have been extinct for centuries!

You'd have a better argument saying Christmas is a capitalist holiday and that Black Friday to Christmas is a month long festival celebrating consumption and profit.

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>>22485202
>Christmas - celebration of Christ's death
Hoo boy.

>> No.22485264

>>22485202
Christmas - literally the winter solstice, the pagan festival of the sun's rebirth. Appropriated by Christians because Christ was originally a sun-god, conflated with the Persian Mithras.
Easter - always a pagan festival of spring. The Easter egg is not a Christian symbol, nor is the spring hare, which became the Easter Bunny.
Hallowe'en - the Celtic harvest festival of Samhain. Also marked the beginning of winter, the season of death, hence the association with ghosts and spirits.
You do know that paganism predated Christianity, don't you anon ... ?

>> No.22485267

>>22485219
Bad faith argumentation isn't healthy for the mind.

>> No.22485298

>>22484599
Sort of in my elite college most of the people don’t hate the classics it’s more nuanced. The people who staff that department and all history departments are very clear they won’t tolerate a right wing or traditionalist reading of the text. They go out of their way to post about inclusive classics and almost personally name BAP as a villain. They will read the classics and teach them but they pick and choose what to focus on. It’s sort of a lie by omission and framing rather than trying to destroy the classics. For example they will be happy to have you write a PhD dissertation on the lives of enslaves people in classical maritime combat or the use of classical motifs in 19th century Latin American independence movements. Yet if you were to try to write about something like the biological aspect of aristocratic thought or anti democratic, in a positive way, philosophy of Ancient Greece you would probably wouldn’t make any friends. It’s a heavily policed Overton window rather than a conspiracy to destroy the classics.

>> No.22485376

>>22485267
You're right, I apologize.

>> No.22486778

>>22485264
none of what you said is right. why is lying such a characteristic of a pagancuck?

>> No.22486841

>>22485110
Celebrating christmas, pesah and halloween defines a nation's character?
Does saying the national anthem make a nation's character ultranationalist? Retard

>> No.22487589

Christianity's biggest influence on the west is that it gave us liberalism and socialism, where individuals are considered, unlike bugmen in india and china for example

>> No.22489346

>>22484598
I don't think Nimble Dick ever said that...

>> No.22489365

>>22484548
Start with your own country's classics.

>> No.22489692

>>22484599
All my Classics professors absolutely love Classics. They have spent decades studying and researching in a dying field, pretty obvious they like it.

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>>22484548
start by reading 1984 and Brave New World
if you find it hard, keep reading books on that level; read the whole /lit/ starter kit
if you want something harder, read myths from ancient Greece, also plays and poems
then read pré-socratics and then Socrates and whoever was alive at the same time and then after.