/lit/ - Literature

I am skeptical of the coffeecucks (not a systematic philosopher but Voltaire is another)

Nietzsche managed to get /drugfree/ and understand it's better

No coffee in ancient Rome

>>22479795
Tea >>>>>>>>>>>>> coffee

>>22479861
You will never have shits as clean as me.

>>22479861
You are correct.
>>22479877
I don't shit. I just piss, all I have is tea

>>22479795
All of them

>>22479795
Hegel is the only one really guilty of this. Kant was also full of shit but not because of word games necessarily.

>>22479795
>Which philosopher(s) do you think were the most full of shit, with their entire philosophy being word games that ultimately offer nothing except for those interested in chasing a "philosophy word game" like some autist who loves to do crossword puzzles
Plato

It's really funny to me that you say Hegel though. He isn't playing useless word-games but he writes in a way that is hard to comprehend for the average reader.

>>22479795
Wittgenstein, just deliberately writing down nonsense to "make you think braaaah"

>>22479795
everyone who ate

>>22479795
This sounds like plebiscite speak for getting filtered. You included a wojackant and said Hegel as your answer. Sounds like you were double filtered.

>>22479795
how can someone get addicted to coffee? lmao i drink coffee twice a day and I can always stop if I don't feel like it

>>22480017
Reminder

>>22479861
For the most part, yes

>>22480191
>drinks twice everyday
>"I'm not addicted bro"

>>22480245
yea but I can stop when I want to. Like I didn't drink coffee for a week after I ran out.

>>22480259
sure, whatever you say

>>22479795
most theologians, other than Spinoza

Wait kant was wealthy? Where tf are the philosophers from humble backgrounds

Can't bring myself to have any interest in anything that isn't a more or less explicit platonism, t b h. That of course includes aristotelism and "neo" platonism) and isn't restrictive in the least.
So pretty much anything between the 14th and 20th century (talking about a minority of mostly christian authors here).
>in b4 "contrarian"
this is an opinion thread, bite me.

Lmao all these ''great thinkers'' sound like such hueg fagets.

>>22480309
yet everyone know's think of Arthur not Johanna when they hear Schopenhauer

>>22480322
I don't think they care considering they're both fucking dead.

>>22480309
How does this show he was full of shit? If anything, she admits that he was right, just that he was annoying for being right.

>>22479795
Hegel
Kant
Rousseau
Voltaire
In this order

>>22479795
lmao Kant sounds based

>>22480330
cope, especially coming from someone on /lit/

>>22479795
No person except perhaps paul comes close to the damage Plato and Hegel have done and keep doing to humanity. Those two bastards raped western philosophy.

>>22479795
pretty much anyone who centers and builds his philosophy around God lol.

>>22479795
>life is generally shit because it lacks purpose and is meaningless and shit
>but you should just... live anyway because thats good, live to "spite" *the fucking universe* with you grand act of continuing to breathe
>no you cant kill yourself, thats bad... because its bad, fuck you

who takes this shit seriously? "im continuing to live to spite the meaningless world" is he a fucking child?

>>22480300
Epictetus

>>22480191
>i drink coffee twice a day
Twice a day is probably fine. It's when you pass four cups a day you risk developing anxiety disorders.

>>22480504
>lol

any existentialist / positivist

>>22480309
>Johanna was an abusive wife to his father and an abusive mother to him. She even threw Schopenhauer down a flight of stairs once when he talked back to her. Also, Schopenhauer’s father (whom he was very close with) was believed to have committed suicide when Schopenhauer was seventeen and it has always been a rumor that Johanna Schopenhauer was a contributing factor to his suicide.

>After her husband died, Johana left for Weimar to join the free love movement and follow her dreams of becoming a writer, leaving Schopenhauer behind. And when Schopenhauer later wanted to move to Weimar to pursue philosophy, she desperately tried to convince him not to move to Weimar, saying she couldn’t stand to be around him.

>>22480996
>Where the tension between them comes in, is that Johanna at the time was a semi successful author of cheap romances and thought very highly of herself. Arthur, as we know, also thought very highly of himself from an early age. What made Johanna seethe was Arthur's unwarranted confidence (bordering on arrogance) without having anything tangible to show for it. This is best seen in this interaction:
>>Unfortunately, the published dissertation earned, at best, lukewarm reviews. Indeed, the most stinging might have come from the young man’s mother, who asked sarcastically whether his book [The Fourfold Roots of the Principle of Sufficient Reason] was for pharmacists. Schopenhauer retorted that his work would still find readers when not even a single copy of her writings could be found in a junk yard. Undaunted, Johanna Schopenhauer spat back, ‘Of yours the entire printing will still be available’.

>One time Goethe was impressed by young Arthur's intellect, saying that by proper grooming he could become a literary genius, and she said something like "only one person in each family could be a genius" (referring to herself). She even went as far as badmouthing Arthur to Goethe, and was one of the reasons the relationship between Schopenhauer and Goethe worsened.

>>22479861
pre-workout and amphetamines >>>>>>>>>> mud water

>>22479795
>Marx arrived in London as a political exile in 1849, expecting to stay in the city for a few months at most; instead, he ended up living there until his death in 1883. His first few years in London were marked by dire poverty and personal tragedy—his family was forced to live in squalid conditions, and by 1855 three of his six children had died. Isaiah Berlin describes Marx’s habits during this time:

>His mode of living consisted of daily visits to the British [Museum] reading-room, where he normally remained from nine in the morning until it closed at seven; this was followed by long hours of work at night, accompanied by ceaseless smoking, which from a luxury had become an indispensable anodyne; this affected his health permanently and he became liable to frequent attacks of a disease of the liver sometimes accompanied by boils and an inflammation of the eyes, which interfered with his work, exhausted and irritated him, and interrupted his never certain means of livelihood. “I am plagued like Job, though not so God-fearing,” he wrote in 1858.

>Marx was, by 1858, already several years into Das Kapital, the massive work of political economy that would occupy the rest of his life. He never had a regular job. “I must pursue my goal through thick and thin and I must not allow bourgeois society to turn me into a money-making machine,” he wrote in 1859. (In fact, he later applied for a post as a railway clerk, but was rejected because of his illegible handwriting.) Instead, Marx relied on his friend and collaborator Friedrich Engels to send him regular handouts, which Engels pilfered from the petty-cash box of his father’s textile firm—and which Marx promptly misspent, having no money-management skills whatsoever. “I don’t suppose anyone has ever written about ‘money’ when so short of the stuff,” he noted. Meanwhile, his boils would get so bad that he “could neither sit nor walk nor remain upright,” as one biographer put it. In the end, it took Marx two decades of daily suffering to complete the first volume of Das Kapital—and he died before he could finish the remaining two volumes. Yet he had only one regret. “You know that I have sacrificed my whole fortune to the revolutionary struggle,” he wrote to a fellow political activist in 1866. “I do not regret it. On the contrary. Had I my career to start again, I should do the same. But I would not marry. As far as lies in my power I intend to save my daughter from the reefs on which her mother’s life has been wrecked.”

>>22479861
>>22479918
Based, me too. Coffee may as well be a laxative rather than a stimulant for me at this point. Oatmeal works better as a laxative anyway

>>22479795
Literally all of the existentialists

>>22479802
Absinthe was actually the key to Kants awakening

>>22480199
Based powerautist

>>22479795
>Which philosopher(s) do you think were the most full of shit, with their entire philosophy being word games that ultimately offer nothing except for those interested in chasing a "philosophy word game" like some autist who loves to do crossword puzzles but on a higher level (philosophy solving autism).
All of the ones that call themselves philosophers or have that moniker attached to them by later generations.
Renzo Novatore and U.G Krishnamurti BTFO the entire tradition of "philosophy".

>>22479795
imagine this lil nigga on adderall

>>22481002
She was a stupid cunt, but it's a major L for Goethe to have been influenced by somebody who was clearly a stupid cunt instead of shutting her out and trying to cultivate a younger genius.

>I only know that I know nothing
>throw an axe at the utter fool
>"Pray tell Socrates, how did you know to dodge?!"

>>22479861
based, though I do a bag of Tea India which might be double the strength of a regular tea bag. Still not nearly as addictive and intense like coffee because if I skip a day I don't get a headache.

>>22479795
Plato

>>22481013
Coffee for me unlocks God mode (higher level delusional thinking)

Plato and Aristotle. These Greek fuckers pontificated endlessly on shit they knew absolutely nothing about and because they got the time right twice they are required reading.

>>22480011
This, Heraclitus and Parmenides had it all right

>>22479795
Nietzsche had dead daddy issues. There's a reason he attracts so many bastards on this site.

>>22480293
Seething gaytheist

>>22481008
I've never met a marxist who wasn't unbelievably onions

>>22479802
calm down bap

>>22481002
>>One time Goethe was impressed by young Arthur's intellect, saying that by proper grooming he could become a literary genius, and she said something like "only one person in each family could be a genius" (referring to herself). She even went as far as badmouthing Arthur to Goethe, and was one of the reasons the relationship between Schopenhauer and Goethe worsened.

what an evil cunt

The ultimate test to determine if any of these so-called "philosophers" is worth studying is to begin by asking how physically fit he was. Think about it. A weak body is undeniable proof of a weak mind. Nobody is worth listening to concerning anything abstract if he isn't first a master of himself physically.

>>22481886
calm down bap

>>22481886
>>22481946
I don't care anything about BAP, but that anon is right on this. These guys are dorks. And the worst kind usually, with daddy or mommy issues.

>>22481886
Yeah Stephen Hawking was an idiot.

>>22481886
I too get my philosophy from Jocko Willick, hell yeah brother

>>22481886
I only take gay thinkers/artists seriously; straightfags are too prone to appealing to holes and compromising their rational capacities or artistic vision.

>>22479795
Hegel and most of the XX century french faggots

Why Hegel? Ive spent some time reading him and a lot of the stuff he says makes a lot of sense. Im not smart enough to argue against the logic of it all or anything but none of his claims seem unfounded

>>22480300
Not really, Kant came from a somewhat humble family and struggled for money up to his 60s. Past that he started having lots of students, which helped him live a middle class lifestyle (still not wealthy).
To put in perspective, he had many chances to marry (from his youth up to his 40s), but he wasn't financially stable enough to do it, so he ended up never marrying.

>>22479795
I think Hegel wasn't a bullshitter at all, he just used a terminology that is now mostly forgotten (since very few people study Fichte, Schelling and Jacobi nowadays). It's like trying to read Duns Scotus in a world where everyone has stopped studying Aristotle and the Scholastics: it will be brutal and you will have to reconstruct by yourself 99% of the terminology he uses. Add to that the fact that people often try to approach Hegel by reading his messiest book, the Phenomenology of Spirit (which was an unedited book written during war times as Hegel wad going through some serious issues in his life). Unfortunately he died right as he started revising it (he didn't do it earlier because he didn't think it was an essential part of his system, which is why he never used it in his lectures). On the other hand his Science of Logic and his Lectures are surprisingly clear and neatly ordered. His Encyclopedia is quite hard to follow, mostly because it was a textbook meant to be explained in his lectures (he would read two or three paragraphs, then explain them in detail for 2 hours). So, yeah, you kinda have to be aware of this stuff when you start studying him. Unfortunately most are not, which leads them to terrible approaches to his philosophy.
Honestly I think that in the classical canon there are virtually no bullshitters. Some are harder than others, but pretty much all of them were honest in their intentions, and were using terminologies that were well established in their times.

Any of the Lebensphilosophie group members except for Nietzsche and Heidegger.
Any Marxist who ever lived except for Althusser

>>22481886
My metric on a good philosopher is unironically if they fathered children.
Literally all schizos with retarded ideas died virgins, and most of the philosophers that had sensible well-conceived philosophical systems had regular amounts of sex and fathered numerous kids. There is almost no exception to this.

>>22479795
Manlet among manlets

Descartes seems halfway like a troll
Locke was pointless
Rousseau pointless
Hegel word salad with no point
Schopenhauer added nothing
Wittgenstein could have summed it up in two pages
Sartre, Camus, all the other existential idiots (other than Kierkegaard) are idiots
Marx doesn't even count as a philosopher, he's just dumb

Basically the more recent you go in time the dumber they get

>>22481670
I use about 100mg benadryl for that

>>22479861
The best part about tea is it’s actually good for you and hydrates too. Even better than water cause you get to boil and taste it.

>>22481002
>>22480996
>>22480309

Worst mother I ever read about, Jesus my mom is a saint compared to her. Two different people and Schopenhauer seems very alike to me with his personality and views towards life. If only we could switch mothers so he didn't have to suffer the hands of her and I don't have to suffer with losing a good mom.

Rest in peace Arthur, may your mom burn in hell.

>>22479861
>>22479795
Galantamine >>>>>>>> caffeine

>>22480011
Seeing philosophy as word games is the ultimate brainlet test. It shows someone is incapable of knowing philosophical semantics are about the meanings of concepts and ideas that words relate, not the basic definition of words. It's analogous to thinking math literally exists in symbols, rather than those being mere notation for mathematical ideas. A basic low IQ mistake, like when you see simpletons fall for those trick math equations and think the 'right way' to do math is instantly obvious from written symbols, and you're a dummy if you think otherwise.

>>22480293
>Theologians are bad except (((Spinoza)))
Athiests are such pathetic goy cattle and they don't even realize it.

>>22481823
>my source is i made it the fuck up

>>22482291
>my source is the (((experts))) on the tv

>>22482290
you wouldn't happen to be an anti-semite who worships a dead rabbi as master of the universe, would you? i hope you are at the very least pretending to be a viking or a hindu or something so you don't short out any more neurons trying to hate the people who invented your religion

>>22482296
Christianity was invented by David's coreligionists

>>22482301
More kike tricks.

>>22482307

>>22482307
>he wasn't Jewish, he was Hebrew
sorry, my mistake, HEBREWS invented Christianity and you worship one of them as master of the universe despite your intense hatred for them, glad we could clarify this

also thanks for proving my point that "theologians" are dumb deceitful, sacks of shit, i mean just look at the levels of exasperated weaseling going on here >>22482309 to argue the guy in the New Testament walking and talking around Jerusalem to people following the Old Testament wasn't Jewish and neither were the audience because... uhhh... that word wasn't invented yet so they were technically something else, but had all the same stuff they were doing with the sitting around on saturdays and not eating pork and having one god and all that jazz

All of them. Colossians 2:8 (KJB).

>>22479795
Philosophers that only practice philosophy are extremely homosexual. What a waste of a life. What’s the point of pondering life all day if you never partake in it? At least Plato was a soldier and wrestler

All of them are retarded, OP. Philosophy is for retards who can't comprehend grey.

>>22482330
There isn't a point, it's just fun to ponder, I don't have to fucking do anything you fucking faggot. If you like plato so much so jerk off to him and fuck off.

>>22481624
UG is the GOAT and final boss. That nigga was actually enlightened. Iykyk

>>22482351
He'd probably like that too

>>22481005
How do you deal with the comedown?

>>22482613
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZNtYmdZ-4c&ab_channel=Morality

>>22479795
All of them other than Nagarjuna

This is somewhat unrelated, but the thread has a few humor memes. I'm looking for a meme that says black lives matter, believe all women, trans rights are human rights... her penis. I can't find the copy I saved.

>>22482285

Lol. True high IQ is realizing that all language is tautology and unable to speak truth about reality. So yes, word games.

>>22482099
So all the philosophers who gave birth to lively memetic gardens that act as wellsprings for further cultural and civilizational development fathered no flesh and blood children while the autistic systemfags who are creatively sterile and produced stillborn closed systems incapable of bearing fruit did have flesh and blood children?
Interesting. There may be something to this.

How do people drink coffee without having to take a massive shit an hour or two later?

>>22482858
no meme can cover that much ground while still being neutral... i'm looking for the trudeau handstand graph meme

>>22479795
Picrel is a blowhard and a pseud. His disciples are even bigger blowhards and pseuds.

>>22480199
Kek'd hard at this, is it real?

>>22480522
>t. The Void
Stay mad loser, lived another day you fuckin puss puss

>>22482198
honestly the more i learn about it him the more i respect him as a person and as a thinker

>>22481008
ngl that last quote is pretty sweet of him
to be fair he for the most part genuinely seemed like a caring person for other people even if he didnt take care of them so effectively

>>22483339
>there is no evidence i have ever seen that will convince me that any and all absurdists i have met are not either brain dead, have literally read no other philosphies and/or trolling

>>22479795
Picrel is the biggest hack in the history of philosophy

>>22484088
>t. triggered troon

>>22484088
>t.triggered fascist

>>22479802
nietzsche wasnt drugfree at all, just coffee free

>>22479795
>word games
this screams "im a filtered midwit!" so loud

>>22480293
aquinas is particularly bad

>>22479795
nietzsche hands down, plagiarized and bastardized voluntary egoism into overman and had nothing of value to add to philosophy, hid his idiotic mind behind bizarre writing style and called anyone who didn't get it retarded pretty much, once you read his thus spake zarathustra with knowledge of voluntary egoism you realize he is teaching the same shit but with bullshit format and tagging a "oh and then they will create new values" on top of it and called it his own, overman isn't a thing exactly because no one who got rid of their own spooks would want to impose those on others much less have a cult of their own values
even the cult leader types usually tend to drink their own koolaid and believe their own hype and bullshit instead of dismantling all values, they tend to just ignore any harm or immoral behavior despite thinking it is wrong

>>22484104
>t. triggered pseud

>>22483727
>caring person for other people
Lol
Also his daughter an heroed and nothing of value was lost

>>22484180
You took overman way over your head, the overman can be anyone but people lack power to do anything for themselves. He wanted you to be your best version of yourself instead of being some regular wagecuck joe on 4chan like me, but as again we have the government and many forces against us that limits us. That's probably why in the end he gave up and died with STDS, he didn't have much power or will to go beyond his limits.

>>22480662
I drink less than one a day, actually I drink a few cups on a monthly basis and it still makes me very anxious and almost high every time

>>22479795
Was Kant really this unhinged or is it just memes? also post more

>>22480662
I was anxious before i started drinking coffee,in fact i didnt start regularly drinking coffee till i was like 20,about the same time i started smoking cigarettes too.

>>22481002
My god,evil men might kill you or whatever but evil women will do anything but kill you and instead devote themselves to make your life miserable.
Now i understand why the worst thing that happened to me came from a woman.

>>22481670
I have all sorts of drugs to make me God mode.
>weed
Distortion of time and space
>benadryl
Dive deeper into hell and coming back
>DXM
Remembering the life of saints and feeling sorrow and grief because it was my fault
>alcohol
Job mode.

>>22481886
I mean i agree that we should strive for both mental and physical wellness but it make sense that more often than not people will prioritize one or the other,most buffed people are dumb as fuck and most smart people arent especially buffed.

>>22482338
>who can't comprehend grey
What does alien have to do with philosophy.

>>22482613
You just never come down

>>22480330
What a bitch cop out.

>>22482306
These are not the same people. Even Jesus said so.
Revelation 3:9

>>22482310
The Pharisees did not invent Christianity. They only inspired it.

>>22482051
good post anon

>>22479795
Hegel debunks that notion in literally the preface

>>22479795
>with their entire philosophy being word games
I'm more amused by philosophers whose lives refuted their works, and gave the lie to their pretensions.

>>22480309
Fucking same 2 reddit tier losers posting this and then saying, it doesn't matter who is remembered. Just cuz some women didn't see his value, or that women didnt line up to suck his cokc doesn't mean he didn't have arguably more value as a human being than some loser who kept fucking women and leaving them with niglets to raise. women's respect and admiration is like a fart in the wind. Women would complain at you one day for being an insufferable piece of shit that wastes time by doing whatever you are doing be it writing philosophy or inventing something in your garage calling you a nerd for doing something that they don't see the value in, but when suddenly that thing you have been working on goes global and makes you either famous ,rich or both the switch their opinion, suddenly lining up to suck you the very next day. Not that men never do this but women do it more.

>>22485427
pic unrelated?

>>22480522
wholy based

>>22484088
>I’m more of a Hegelian than marxist

Dropped him right there. Can’t be both

>>22485427
>be you
>create strawman of Nietzsche's philosophy
>accuse Nietzsche of being a hypocrite since his actual words and deeds don't align with the strawman you, yourself, created
why is this so common?

Answers of actual philosophers (not random 19th century humanists who get mistaken for philosophers by illiterate highschoolers)

>PF Strawson
>Kierkegaard
>Charles Travis
>Michael Dummett
>George Berkeley

>>22479795
Kripke's Naming and Necessity is the definition of empty word games and it makes my blood boil to listen to this no good rabbinical autist trivialize actual great western philosophers with semantics.

>>22482099
>unironically
Opinion discarded. Kill yourself

>>22482117
Your post is the only thing that added nothing, you're just regurgitating opinions.

>>22481823
OK, but what did theologians do is noteworthy to anyone that isn't already religious?

>>22482330
Define: "partaking in life" and why pondering isn't a form of this.

>>22479795
plato and every platonist (kant, hegel, etc.)

>>22480662
I'm pretty sure anxious people gravitate towards coffee rather than it being the cause.
But do provide contrary evidence of you happen to have it on hand.

>>22482117
Lmao liking Kierkegaard suits a shitpost like yours.

>>22482903
Fuck you Witty.

>>22484688
don't cut yourself on that edge

>>22482285
Right in theory but in practice 99.9% of philosophical discussion/disagreement gets resolved when you work out where the two parties are using differing definitions for terms, most commonly God

>>22479795
Deleuze and guattari
Holy shit bros, these guys ruined multiple generations of men and effectively created this brown scare we have today.

>>22484688
right wingers are such anti-life kikes kek.