/lit/ - Literature

>>22455652
Damn dude you just demolished all of philisophy. Truly you are dynamite.

>>22455652
Read hobbes

>>22455658
I'll add that marxism is dialectic reductionism but that should be common knowledge by now

>>22455663
Hobbes is somehow both totalitarian and individualist. He wants the state to protect us from man to be abandoned to his beast-like ways, but the state is forced to apply violence when deemed necessary

>>22455682
If you violate natural laws you put yourself back into a state of war of all against all. The state is forced to use violence against you.

>2023 and still wanting a State

atheists just can't stop thinking about politics, it's really their new god

>>22455690
Legal positivism rises when there's no shared natural laws. also what if i want make justice for myself and for my tribe, with no intermediary?

>no divine pneuma
Top hylic

>>22455718
then some other guy with a much bigger tribe due to conglomerating other tribes underneath himself conquers yours and then we loop back to what we have now, brainlet

>>22455734
ok so i just need to be stronger ,that's it

>>22455718
Read Hobbes

>>22455753
Locke is better

>>22455652
>Democracy is tyranny
I reached this conclusion too without being a frogposter like yourself.
If you really think about the fact that, in order for democracy to actually work, you first need to submit completely to the idea of democracy, and also the fact that apart from a select few examples where the citizens are given the right to vote, when people aren't having their voices heard through voting, then it's actually a type of authoritarian regime that most people think is the very foundation to what they like referring to as ''freedom'', when in fact, it's a power structure like any other. The biggest mistake people who live in a democracy make, is the amount of influence they think they have apart from voting, and this, is a detriment to society as a whole, since we end up with a bunch of morons who are entitled to shit and think that they should be heard constantly, instead of only just when they are being asked something by the state.

>>22455718
Reading about this atm

Weird synchronicity

>>22455907
Maybe it was Hannah Arendt that sai something similar?

>>22455652
>>22455770
You aren't smart, Democracy is literally the ANTITHESIS of tyranny, and you cannot have tyranny in a state of pure democracy, wherein the people have absolute authority over their elected officials.
>Lmao I can choose to vote but there are just going to be millions of other people voting against me, and they are all dumb and I know what our country needs, so i'm not going to vote.
No matter what, Pseuds like you will continue to infight because you all have slight political differences, and you will blow up if you don't see ALL of the changes you want to. Thus you continue to bicker and roll in the mud.
>MUh Muh, president doesn't agreeeeee with me! I should be able to do whatever I want without consequence, this is Tyranny!

>>22455652
>There's no divine pneuma
proof it
>Rule of law is fake and arbitrary
Rooted in the tradition of survival. Ur mom is arbitrary.
> just like all institutions.
serving a function excludes all arbitrary claims, you just don't know what the function is so it appears random to you, nerd
>Positivism is wrong.
based schizophrenic
> Superstition and individual experience debunk rationality
What?
> Democracy is tyranny.
Wrong.
>Also the "human race" comprehensive of all its different ethnicities is a humanist simulacra.
Well, we do our best.

>>22457106
>wherein the people have absolute authority over their elected officials.
But it ends at that, everything that comes with the allure of democracy, is in fact a detriment to everyone that exists within a democracy. It went from affecting political decisions, into identity politics, of which the state should have absolutely no influence over. The idea of power to the people has went overboard and we are currently feeling the downsides of a system made to operate in a way where public opinion is actually relevant, especially when it comes to individuals that contribute almost none towards this democracy, are being given high priorities and by consequence, ruining the entire democratic ideology that once flourished among people deeply involved within the matters of politics, since it affected them on a large scale.

>>22455652
Based primitive anthropologist spear chucker

>>22455727
The only argument for a divine pneuma is
>i like this person
Which is good enough for me but demonstrates that arguments are linguistic constructs incapable of transmiting relationship content in the abstract as an argument devoid of a concrete commitment rooted in real world knowable continuity as opposed to magic book worship

Man is capable of transcendant experience but incapable of sharing and transfering it.
Man is however capable of lying and authority.

The four immeasurables are:
Karuna Compassion
Upekka Steadfastness
Mudita Gratitude
Metta Love

>>22457048
Not reading Arendt. Just Rommen and Strauss.

>>22455652
Not discussing literature and just a blogpost.

>>22457106
Hello it's OP
it's called DOXA, and it's worse than dictatorship
have a nice day

>>22457106
A lynch mob is democracy. Once you get 51% in a democracy, you can do whatever you want to the 49%. America is a constitutional republic, not a democracy.

>>22455663
Hobbes is a complete imbecile.

>>22457147
>tradition of survival
Nope. that was true for barabarians, civilized people needed some Aristotelian model-concept to replace the simple act of making justice for yourself

>>22457106
>you cannot have tyranny in a state of pure democracy, wherein the people have absolute authority over their elected officials.
Even if we assume the people (which people?) actually have real authority in any democracy, very questionable, you could still have tyranny even in this ideal:
>55% votes to exterminate the other 45%
>A majority of a country is X religion and votes to outlaw all the other
Liberalism tries to solve these problems by relegating these cultural or religious differences and conflicts to the private sphere, and otherwise ensuring the rights of all kinds of "minorities" against majorities.
But then what yiu effectively do is elevate a non-democratic principle within democracy--that there are at times other principles more sacred than the will of the people.

>>22461369
Moreover in every democracy we see an ever expanding bureaucracy full of unelected technocrats insulated from democratic pressures.
When we examine these realities anyone rational must conclude thst the ideal of a pure democracy is as utopian as Marx's utopia.
Pure democracy is best accomplished at a very small level, e.g Athens, in which case such pure democracy is accomplished on the basis of a rejection of liberal egalitarian and universalist ideals--a sharply circumscribed small group wields power within a society, to the exclusion of others, but within that small unit they do so relatively equitabely and democratically.

>>22457106
Imagine writing this unironically