/lit/ - Literature

>>22413173
Why do you think Spengler's model is out of date?

>>22413178
if i'm not mistaken, according to him western culture will have finally died out by ~2200
at this moment in time, i do not see western culture surviving past 2100

Lasch and Ellis' American Psycho
Nonironically

>>22413185
You're wrong. According to Spengler's model we're equivalent to around 80BC in the classical civilization (generation before Caesarism).

S P I R I T U A L _ E P O C H S:

SPRING (850 to 1250)

Birth of grand myth and new God-feeling

Mystical-metaphysical shaping of new world outlook

SUMMER (1250 to 1700)

Reformation: Internal popular opposition

Opposition of idealistic and realistic systems

New mathematical conception of number

Puritanism. Rationalistic-mystic impoverishment of religion

AUTUMN (1700 - 1850)

Enlightenment. Belief in reason. Cult of nature

Zenith of mathematical thought

The great conclusive systems

WINTER (1850 - 2075)

Materialistic outlook. Cult of science, utility, and prosperity (1850s to 1890s, Rhodes, Wells)

Ethical-social ideals of life. Scepticism (1890s to 1940s)

Inner completion of mathematical form-world (1940s to 1980s)

*Estimate:

Degradation of abstract thinking. Compendium literature (1980s to 2030s, internet)

Spread of a final world sentiment (2030s to 2070s)

>>22413203
I am genuinely intrigued to see what Caesarism looks like this time around. It's worth nothing that Rome achieved its greatest imperial heights AFTER the fall of the republic. The empire's furthest extent and greatest material wealth occurred during the reign of Trajan, almost 100 years after Augustus' death.

>>22413185
POLITICAL EPOCHS:

1st to 9th Centuries AD: Merovingian

850 to 1300: Feudalism

1300 to 1500: Aristocracy

1500 to 1800: Absolutism

1800 to 2100: Plutocracy/Democracy

2100 to 2400: Caesarism/Universal State

25th to 27th Centuries AD: Fellahin, end of history, private politics replace public.

For a great many years have Westoids been infatuated with themselves and their destiny, for better or worse. There is always a feeling of short-sightedness that comes to the reader's mind when an author is trying to project into the future, that is the reader's present, since you mention pic related. But showing inaccuracy on details doesn't necessarily disprove the overall mechanics. There aren't any superior books on that subject, so to say. Plus, nowadays West happens to be just a part of a bigger world its civilization and mentality has somewhat changed and supposedly conquered.
So 'orher' authors may be:
Guénon, on the spiritual side. Leroy-Gourhan on the bergsonian/technological side, Henri Laborit on the neurosciences/behaviorist side and Jancovici on the energetical/environmental side.

>>22413212
scratch what I wrote about 80BC. I've just lined up the timelines and found we're actually equivalent to around 100BC. Classical culture (like the Indian) had a shorter in built life cycle.

>>22413185
Spengler's categories of Spring, Summer, Autumn, and Winter were applied to the aspect of culture, which is defined as the development of a culture's artistic and philosophical forms.

In our case the winter phase was predicted to run from around 1850 to 2075 or so, by the end of which our forms of art and philosophy are expected to have stagnated/settled into a set stock of conventions.

>>22413173
here's one I prepared earlier.

>>22413252
low-key Winkelmann

>>22413270
If you've ever been overseas to Turkey or Thailand, you would have come across the marketplaces characteristic to these places in which art itself has become a craft of making and selling standardized small-goods such as waving cats, evil eyes, elephant figurines, ornate rugs, and so on. This is what awaits western culture.

>>22413285
There's no denying that but to me, it's like describing his illness to a patient without examining its origins and imagining a treatment.

>>22413294
The Spenglerian problem isn't illness, but age. And our whole civilization has a weakened body due to its own spent energies and a kind of culture virus.

>>22413317
this. The solution is to simply restart.

>>22413337
>just rebirth yourself bro
oh wow it's that easy huh

>>22413212
another anon in a recent thread said that our contemporary equivalent of caesarism is about to take full force this decade so you'll see lots of titans of industry openly entering politics to further their own agendas - that's what he said our caesarism will look like

>>22413353
I didn't say it would be easy or possible, which it is not. Spengler implied that a culture attempting to return itself to an earlier stage in its development is like a balding man combing his hair to appear more youthful. In either case the attempt is futile, and nature will take its course.

>>22413366
>is like a balding man combing his hair to appear more youthful
what about a hair transplant?

>>22413360
Not this decade.
I used to read this guy's blog and he was trying to further Spengler's ideas. Apparently the Western Caesar will be born in a few years, and Caesarism will be in full hold by 2080, not 2100. We have populism until then which prepares the way, so to speak
https://darkanchorite.substack.com/p/charting-the-aeon-i

>>22413360
my advice is to stack silver, prep, and fly under the radar.

>>22413369
>what about a hair transplant?

what about wrinkles? just trying to delay the inevitable.

>>22413376
>what about wrinkles?
just get botox bro, they'll never know

>>22413385
absolutely Weimar.

>>22413173
Sloterdijk

>>22413360
>so you'll see lots of titans of industry openly entering politics to further their own agendas

So are you saying we can expect to see a lot more Vivek Ramaswamy type figures in the near future?

>>22413416
him, elon musk, etc.

>>22413413
kill yourself.

Nothing in the long term. Rapid climate change and ecological disaster lead towards hunter gatherer or scavenger 2.0 and then complete extinction.
Maxxed out in 2100s.

In the meantime, populism, genocide, rabid attempts at correcting past trends, fascism and extremely radical anti human measures.

>>22413423
I can only get so hard.

>>22413429
Extinction or fascism? It might end up being a weird branch of fascism, maybe ecological, maybe silicon valley flavored. Perhaps climate crisis will breed extremely diverse cultures that stick together because they have to.
Expect to see very dangerous terrorists btw.

>>22413173
Evola - Men Among the Ruins.

Two more weeks declinesisters

>>22413337
Literally not possible.
Unless you consider suffering the fate of Roman senators under the Germanics (Assimilation and eventually dissipation as a separate people, as well as subjugation and being second fiddle in your own home) but with Slavs, spics, SEAcels, or whoever the fuck else devours Faustian civilization's carcass after they are gone to be a form of rebirth, in which case, yeah, that'll probably happen.

>>22413447
kek

Y'all people are retarded doomers, and Spengler was retarded too. The West is richer and more advanced than ever, people are living longer, healthier and happier lives, new inventions are being made every day. The fact that y'all are depressed incels doesn't mean that the West has fallen and billions must die, it means that you need to change your own lives for the better. Eat better, have a healthy daily routine, communicate with other people, find a girl or boy you want to spend your life with - it's that simple.

>>22413511
yes king, we're all retarded and don't know anything.

>>22413511
>simple as bluepilled mannerisms

>>22413520
>>22413565
Why won't you get a job?

>>22413570
Post your email and I'll give you one.

>>22413434
These "climate crisis" issues you keep referencing are literally a passing fad. Step outside the psyops for one day, you'll feel much better

>>22413511
>It says Decline in the title, that means doom!
Thanks for showing you didn't even read the Preface