/lit/ - Literature

>Am I retarded for not reading anything by Russian authors because I hate Russia and every single Russian and wish they were all dead? Am I missing out from literary perspective?

Nah

Tolstoi and Dostoyevsky are the only two russian authors worth knowing. Ironically, both would be branded foreign agents if they lived in Russia today, having lived years abroad and possessed strong political views.

yes obviously

>>22410353
and ofc by worth knowing you akshually meant Solzhenitsyn

>>22410308
You should only read authors from your own country

>>22410577
kys immediately.
DO NOT DELAY.

>>22410353
lmao

>>22410308
Yeah it's pretty dumb to reject anything someone says just because they happen to have been born in a particular place. Like, let's flip what you said on its head, and imagine a russian that ignores basically anything written by non-russia eastern europeans, he rejects them because they are "inferior slavs" or some other bullshit like that, seems pretty dumb right?

>>22410308
Nah, they we're mostly histrionic, superstitious tards mainly writing for housewives. The only actually good Russian author is an honorary American.

>>22410595
Yes because ziggers are subhuman

>>22410633
Post your BMI and physique, (((NAFO))) abomination

>>22410353
> Ironically
Dostoevsky has participated in the Decembrist revolt (an attempt to overthrow the new emperor and establish constitutional monarchy) and has been sentenced to exile to Siberia. He returned strongly conservative and has maintained those newfound passions all his life.
You don't know a shit about Russia, do you?

>>22410644
why aren't you at the front pidor?

>>22410816
My country is providing the holol piggies money and munitions just so a jew can butcher a counter-offensive against Russian conscripts without ammunition

>>22410308
Yes, you are without any doubt an absolute retard for holding this opinion. The fact that you even ask if you're missing anything from a literary perspective demonstrates that you are incapable of rich engagement with existence

>>22410830
As we in year 2 of 3 day SMO

>>22410863
Reminder that it is in America's greatest interest to extend the war as long as possible in order to keep selling weapons to Ukraine and the NATO states surrounding Russia

>>22411112
The jew rat you responded to knows this since it benefits his tribesmen who own and run the corporate-military apparatus

>>22410308
хoхляткy пopвaлo

>>22410863
Reminds me of when we were in year 2 of 2 weeks to slow the spread.

>I hate Russia and every single Russian and wish they were all dead?
why?

>>22411112
It's in the world's greatest interest to see putler fail.

>>22411139
Yeah just think of those poor Russian oligarchs lmao

>>22411173
Yeah because retards like you can't follow simple instructions

>>22410816
Why aren't you at the front piggy?

>>22410308
You are not missing out on anything. I understand russian and their literature is unironically shit, but when translated it kind of gets this different/foreign even exotic feel that many westerners fall for, once you comprehend russian culture and russian mentality you then truly understand that their writing is just so basic and is a reflection of their simplistic alcoholic slave like character.

>>22411253
Why would I go lmao I just keep paying taxes :)

>>22410661
He did live abroad for a period though
I think Turgenev lended him some money when Fedor gambled away his (second) wife's jewels or something - IIRC she talks about this in her book
>>22410353
>both would be branded foreign agents if they lived in Russia today, having lived years abroad and possessed strong political views.
Tolstoj definitely. Dosto...I'm not sure. He didn't really like little russians, did he?

>>22411281
>russian culture
>simplistic
???

Is there anything more embarrassing than getting whipped into hating a people (be it Chinese, Iraqi or Russian) because of a war?
Stale meme but it's top NPC behaviour. Extremely low IQ and easily influenced person.

>>22411490
>Iraqi or Russian
Honestly this level of anti-Russian hate is unparalleled in my life experience
I was born after cold war and I'm also not american
With Afghanistan and Iraq war, you heard on the news that Osama and Saddam were evil, but you never heard stuff like "All Iraqi products are now banned" or "all afghan media is now blocked in EU". Sure, you can argue that there weren't many afghan media in the first place. But the propaganda hate was never aimed at the population (even if they were bombed regularly)
But now, they're making up the randomest stories about "pro-russian" dudes doing retarded shit
Just the other day I read "PRO RUSSIAN MAN BEATS HIS WIFE"
like wtf bro

>>22411490
>Hating people is.... Le bad
>Posted unironically on 4chan

>>22410308
Ukraine lost

>>22410830
Day what into 3 day SMO?

At this point we just need to wait as the Russian economy continues to crumble

>>22411585
>>Hating people is.... Le bad
Not him, but that's what you get from the post?
You clearly lack reading comprehension
Let me spell it out for you: you should hate people for your own reasons, not because someone told you to.

>>22411490
Nobody hates the people we just laugh at their terrible government. You've been slurping too much propaganda, we'd rather just ignore you guys

>>22411683
>we just laugh at their terrible government
kek

>>22411701
Hey funny how they found something worse than globohomo instead of fighting against it lmao.

>>22411467
Degenerates, alcoholics, drug addicts, those who aren't alcoholic are normally dumb as rocks, people who have no initiative, no drive to do anything, literal slave nation, even blacks are better than them because even if it took them hundreds of years somehow they are free today. Russians are just fine with being slaves forever.

>>22411701
> Bank bailouts to protect the super rich
> Quantative easing so that billionaires never have to lose money
> Citizens United so that billionaire's can buy elections
> Gain of function research on bat borne coronaviruses leads to (oops!) a pandemic
> globohomo programming proceeds apace

but good thing anon is laffin at them ruskies and their terrible govt. haha lol what cut-ups

>>22410308
Russian lit is great. Only trannies and fags dislike it.

>>22411731
Damn I wish I lived in a failed commie bloc like Russia.............

>>22411731
Attempting to deflect with „Yeah but america sucks too" is bottom of the barrel retard behavior but I would expect that from a russoid.

>>22410308


You are missing taste from a tongue's perspective: anyone with good taste has, if not yet a rationalized, then an intuitive, fondness for, and/or affinity with, Russia, as one might have, for example, for Mexico.

>>22411675
>Hating people is.... Le bad
>But only if I disagree with your reasoning

>>22411281
by the way you said " I understand russian" it sounds like you are either not russian so polish or czech or something or you have moved away from russia at a very young age like 6 or 7 and have lost proficiency either, you can't really asses shit since you don't even fully grasp the language all its grammatical complexities, Russian is not an easy language opposed to what so anglos believe just because russians dont use articles in english. By that same logic I can say as a romnian that italian literature is dogshit just because I can somewhat understand what they wrote.

E.g. crime and punishment seems good regardless of culture or language because it emulates the mind of a criminal really well, the way he thinks and the way he self inflicts moral repercussion. You consider eastern europeans might be simple because of the way they mistify everything and verbally bash you when you are not in awe like they are. I noticed this too, it's a culture of being in awe of elders' wisdom, or let's say doctors who might be old or middle aged again, being ridiculed with\" what would you know ur just some clueless youth" when you display some criticism towards the opinions of these elders, without these ridiculers actually expressing arguments as to why they agree other than "this old doctor said so and he knows better than me and you" However the older you get the more you realise they might not be wrong, the older you get the more you realise you are really insignificant and can't even control the state of your own health, and sometimes not questioning certain things that have been there for a long time might be beneficial instead of fucking around on a generational scale to find out why the norms were there in the first place. Americans tend to individually believe they are hot shit and instead of maybe being humble like the russians, then they end up with fat whales who believe that they should be treated like queens, with ingrates that believe life should be served to them on a silver plater. Don't get me wrong russia is not perfect and this system has its bad sides but believe,me having lived in both, I would chose the russian way of running society, altho that is slowly being eroded by the west with its rampant greed, atheism and many other toxins.

>>22410661
>sentenced to exile to Siberia. He returned strongly conservative and has maintained those newfound passions all his life.
Literally buck broken by the establishment lmao

>>22412229
What is blud waffling about

>>22411281
This.

>>22410308
If you want to cut through this edgy modern russiacratic bullshit and read a good russian novel that normies won't judge you for (because it's literally one layer past surface level and they don't know it) read Oblomov

>>22412242
The guy I was replying to said that after knowing Russian culture , he finds all their books surface level and not that crazy. I then tried to explain how russian culture might seem simple, obedient and conformist, but if you actually look past his subjective perception it's more complex than that. Citing examples like traditions and eastern social norms, along with morality in crime and punishment, I guess I could've taken more time to insert more context for those people that have not been immersed in eastern culture.

If OP lived through ww2
>Am I retarded for not reading anything by German authors because I hate Germany and every single Germany and wish they were all dead?
Totally organic opinion not shaped because this country is the current enemy of my country

>>22411460
>He didn't really like little russians, did he?
He would dislike modern Russian neobolshevik godless government much more.

>>22410661
>>22412240
They guy was sentenced to be shot and literally at the last minute, when he was already staring into the rifle barrel, the sentence was changed to camping in Siberia. Where he was constantly cold, starving, and sick with fever for four years. That would mindbreak anyone. Which is a shame, because that cute lesbian loli novel he started to write before captivity was then left forever unfinished. I'll never forgive the ruskies for that.

>>22410312
fpbp

>>22410312
you know ex communist eastern european states exist, right? men there don't look like that and they don't like russia.

read what ur into, if u r not into russia or russian literature do not read it. ur aren’t retarded. there are mfs out there who think just bc they read tolstoy and dostoevsky they r the smartest mfs out there when in reality literally everyone has read those fucking books + u aren’t special for doing so. read stuff ur into, get into a niche and learn everything u can about it. don’t be basic

>>22410308
>pic
the definition of fuck around and find out

>>22410308
Yes, you are retarded. You are also moronic too. Maybe a bit spazzy. I dunno. Sullen may be an apt descriptor.

You just know it's invariably either some butthurt belter or a Jew.

>>22411112
Why do you suddenly bring America into this?
The SMO was/is supposed to be 3 day long, 3 days to Kyiv, 3 days to western border, so why is it taking the second best army (in Ukraine kek) like 18 months now? And don't bring this nato/usa bs, yes they provided some scraps but surely russia with it huge military stock of weapons, vehicles, planes, and unlimited expendable infantry should be able to at least surround Kyiv?

>>22412229
I grew up around russians, I understand russian and can speak fluently, it's hard only if you have to learn it later in life.

>You consider eastern europeans might be simple because of the way they mistify everything and verbally bash you when you are not in awe like they are. I noticed this too, it's a culture of being in awe of elders' wisdom,
I consider them simple because the "complex" eastern europeans were gulaged by Stalin and NKVD.
Russian culture, society and people are shit because from the lowest levels to the highest levels of society there is only one rule, might is right, there is no logic, no reason in russia, russians having an argument pretty much means whoever is stronger, bigger, more influential or has a weapon wins the argument, the legal system, the law, constitution, peoples rights etc it's all irrelevant and at best used as tool by those in power when they need to make a public show. That is the system in russia, it is completely opposite to the western system, to the way people and instotutions conduct themselves in the west. This has been going on for hundreds of years, the russian authors, the intelligentsia should have been focusing on this, writing about, educating people, making people think and question their society but they haven't, it's the elephant in the room, completely ignored, that is why russian literature is complete shit and russian system and a way of life is also complete shit.

>>22415040
Might makes right is the norm everywhere in the world , in other places they just sugarcoat it so midwits like you dont notice it. Also just being part of the opposition doesn't necesairly make you complex, cuz that is who got wiped out by stalin. What makes you think might makes right is not the case in the west, or other places like east asia. The pretties people, win, the smartest people win( intelectual might) intelligent people can come up with convaluted explanations to explain why things are wrong and dumb people who are right but don't know how to rebut their arguments, lose. Might also wins,if you get in a fight anywhere on the globe the stronger person wins, now you might say that the west has police but the police there is as inefficient as anywhere else,if you get in a brawl and describe the suspects that beat you up they will most likely never find them, I think you just hate on russia just because, russians love to hate on russia it shows how aristocratic you are, they have always been that, its part of the humbleness I previously mentioned or inferiority complex as others might call it. Every zoomer russian teenager that had parents that made them learn english by getting them private tutors and making them learn in general, loves the west and behaves like the west is so superiror to russia or eastern europe in general.Lastly these people who bow down to whoever has status , have revolted against the tsar in 1917, then again in 1991 dostoyevski who you mock, was exiled because he was caught consipiring against the tsar, and so on.

>>22415040
This is the most idiotic thing I've read all day you must suffer retardation for you to only catch on that, yes might makes right in Russia it will be quite a sight to see you realise that it is so for the rest of the world. The image of your brain coating the walls and the shit leaking from your pants is quite amusing.

>>22410308
You are more mirror than person.

>>22413619
I don't care if you experienced your own holobunga and now kwetch for sympathy as if you personally lived through those experiences instead of being born after the fact + all slavs look the same, mystery meat, bloated and pink

Why has there been so much anti-Russian hatred on 4channel lately? Is it just a joke? It's gotten really old.

>>22415735
Literal shills that don't even border those slavmonkeys. They will leave /pol/ and infest random boards just to make worthless threads like these.

>>22415672
>>22415685
russian retards, logic and reason is lost on you so stay retarded forever.

>>22415747
You're crying bitch tears rn because you cant handle people not agreeing with you 100% so you cope by imagining other slavniggers such as yourself making those posts.

>>22415754
clearly you didn't read or understand my post. Russians and slavniggers in general never agree with anyone in a argument or a civilized debate. Only by shooting, stabbing or inflicting other injury first can you "convince" a russian to validity of your point.

>>22415735
>lately
I have been shitposting about the inferiority of the Russian species since my /b/tard years in the mid 00s.

>>22415826
No you haven't desu.

The Ukraine lost.

>>22415854
Yes

>>22410308
>wish they were all dead
Why? Because they didn't protest? It's pointless when the government has nuclear weapon and money from other countries. I guess you don't know inside processes in this country and you think that 100% of their population support their government. No, that's wrong. You don't know about Pelevin, Sorokin, Elisarov, Limonov, ect. And they are modern writers, there is a lot of other writers from the past. You are missing a lot, I can say. But this thread is 100% a troll thread, so - who cares.

>>22411952
>ntuitive, fondness for, and/or affinity with, Russia, as one might have, for example, for Mexico.
>russia
>mexico

>>22415947
If not 100% then 90%? No? definitely not less than 85%

There is this Orthodox priest of Ukrainian ancestry but he leans more towards Russia's side of things and says that the Ukrainian church are schismatic heretics with a liberal globalist agenda. That's not to say he believes Russia is perfect. He had some disagreements with the Moscow Patriarchate too but he says that the Ukrainian situation is largely the fault of liberals and globalists subverting the church in Ukraine.

>>22415992
>priest, muh god
>fault of liberals and satan
>subverting the chuch, if church wasn't subverted then russia wouldn't have invaded, oh wait..
So he is basically a /pol/tard.

>>22415959
What is your country if you believe what media says?

>>22416045
Latvia

>>22416047
So - imagine your population has no support from EU, no money to move in an other country, but your government has money from other countries and keeps your population in poverty.

Russian modern literature be like... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAwSoT81qd8

>>22416169
What's wrong with that? It looks cool.

>>22410308
ნამდვილი ქართველი უნტერმენშ სლავის ნამუშევარს არასოდეს წაიკითხავს, მითუმეტეს როცა მაგათი მწერლების ნახევარი ნაწილი ნიგერი იყო

> mfw Georgians, Armenians, Poles, Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians, Finns, Czechs, Ukrainians, Hungarians, Romanians, Syrians, Communists and wignats are STILL seething
Solidarity with my American and Jewish brothers.

>>22410312
this is unironically just a N*A*F*O thread

>>22416047

>>22416047
When are you going to pay reparations for what Latvian riflemen did, sprat?

>>22416666
They did nothing wrong, there will be no reparations.

>>22413619
>Eastern European men don’t look like that

>>22410308
No, but rather, you are retarded because you are Georgian.

>>22411460
>Little Russians
They are called Ukrainians now, chud

>>22416362
დიდება საქართველოს! დიდება არმაზს! სიკვდილი რუსეთს! სიკვდილი ებრაულ ქრისტიანობას!

>>22417687
ran these through google translate:

“Glory to Georgia! Glory to Armaz! Death to Russia! Death to Jewish Christianity!”
>>22416362
“A real Georgian will never read the works of Untermensh Slavi, especially when half of those writers were N words”

So Georgians are basically Nazis just like Ukrainians, so Russia would be 100% justified to invade and occupy them. kys nazi scum

No, you should read books from your own culture... oh, wait, you are a literal butthurt belter from an invented country.

>>22412266
>Oblomov
I've been meaning to read it for quite some time now. Where would you put it in relation to other great Russian works?

>>22410308
Desu not every Russian author bought into the imperial propaganda. Solzhenitsyn and Chekhov come to mind.

>>22416047
Lmfao, there are roughly the same amount of people in Novosibirsk alone as there are in your whole country.

TZD

It's important to separate personal feelings from literary exploration. Russian literature has made significant contributions to world literature, and many works are cherished for their depth and insight. Exploring literature can offer valuable perspectives even if you have disagreements with a particular culture. If you're open to it, you might find literary value in works by Russian authors despite your feelings about Russia as a whole.

>>22410308
Oh, congratulations, you win the "Irrational Hatred Award"
Like, totally legit reason to ignore an entire literary tradition
Because obviously, every single Russian is exactly the same and deserves your deep-seated resentment
Who cares about nuanced perspectives, right?
And yeah, your personal vendetta is definitely a solid foundation for literary choices
Because reading is all about projecting your hate onto innocent pages
But hey, don't worry, you're not missing out on much
Just some of the most influential, thought-provoking works in the history of literature
Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, Chekhov, what have they ever contributed to human understanding, right?
So yeah, go ahead, revel in your ignorance
Meanwhile, the rest of us will be over here enjoying the rich tapestry of global literature
But sure, keep clinging to your toxic biases, seems like a productive life choice

>>22415735
You don't watch a lot of news, do you?

>>22410353
strugatsky brothers
anyways you're pretty far off the mark regardless
>>22410308
bait thread but yes, you're missing out if you unironically think like this

>>22418490
why is there obvious ai bot spam in my /lit?

>>22413619
They're worse. Those guys are completely buck broken by Russia. The mere mention of Russia sends them into fits of autistic screeching.

how the hell do we unironically have a /pol/ thread lasting for days? Holy fuck /lit/ is absolutely dead.

>>22419387
So just don't mention it.

>>22418327
In a quiet corner of the library. It's not screaming to get read, not obtuse or highly political. It reads intimately - it doesn't bite like dostoyevsky or have quite the whimsy of chekhov - it's the only book I read by the author but I am very fond of it.

I cant imagine being from one of these fake countries where the only national identity is a seething rage against their Russian overlords

>>22415819
and now russians validying their points with shooting and stabbing because of people like you

>>22418161
kek