/lit/ - Literature

>>2240676

Idk why I typed a "?"

>>2240676
Can somebody do an Xray on Rushdie?

They should issue a second fatwa over Rushdie's twitter account.

http://www2.b3ta.com/namethatbeard/

>that fucking face

it's funny how padma's been in such a good mood this season and tom's been so surly

like, homegirl who made that gratin got TOLD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVPxTTeXf0A

christopher hitchens related

>>2240676
>implying Iran represents all of Islam
>you fucking idiot

Alpha motherfucker.

>>2240697

White liberal islamic apologist ITT

>>2240694

I'll miss him, truly.

Is Salman Rushdie a smug asshole, or is that just his face?

Check em.

>>2240721

Look at him. Then look at the female he is with.

You'd look smug too.

>>2240721
Nah he is fucking grilled. Look at those Japanese eyes.

>>2240721

depends when the photos were taken- but he did have corrective surgery for ptosis, which causes the drooping of his eyelids and giving the illusory effect of smugness.

Yeah, I ready my own books. Deal with it.

>>2240740

>>2240743

lol'd

>>2240697

>implying Islam isn't cancer-tier garbage anyways

does the book have one damn thing to do with the satanic verses, or did he just choose the title to stir up controversy?

>>2240757

I was in Paris this summer. OH GOD GYPSY KIDS. GYPSY KIDS EVERYWHERE. PRETENDING TO BE DEAF AND DUMB. AARRRRGGFFFHH

>>2240759

"The part of the story that deals with the 'satanic verses' was based on accounts from historians al-Waqidi and al-Tabari."

>>2240762

Are you kidding? In the Australian show Jon Safran vs God, Jon Safran gets a high-ranking member of the Muslim faith to issue a fatwa on a rival tv presenter by showing him photoshopped pictures and telling him a bunch of bullshit. They're very sensitive about their beliefs.

>>2240756
>implying all doctrine of dogmatic faith aren't cancer-tier garbage anyways.
>implying atheists are above this in anyway shape or form.
>Implying we aren't all ruled by our beliefs, religious or otherwise.

>>2240801

No. Atheism is simply the refutation of Theism and therefore not a system in which values are prescribed.

>>2240792
>taking Jon saffran seriously
>implying extremism doesn't exist in every faith

Godhatestheworld.com

>>2240806
I didn't say value, I said belief. It takes as much conviction to say "I don't believe in god." as to say "I do believe in god." Values, and their prescription, comes after one claims a belief.
>in b4 He thinks atheists are evil.

>>2240808

You must admit that Islam has secured it's place in the modern world as the largest and more dangerous to human flourishing

>>2240809

>Atheism - no dogmatism
>Theism - dogmatism

how am I not better than theists now? haha

>>2240813
not really. Considering Egypt actually produces a lot of intellectuals that go on and become major players in international communities, and yet still remains the centre for Sunnism in the Islamic world doesn't justify that sweeping generalization.
I can see why you would say something like that, but technically speaking, you could say that about any institution, America included.

>>2240813
Nope. Your reliance on the media for opinions is painfully obvious.

I think the problem arising come more from poverty more than religion. From oppressed, starving people who have seen their countries ripped apart by 'Christians'. The same Christians who support despots and dictators.

A reason that Islam is more predominant in these countries is that it would be impossible to believe in a god who favors external people.

>>2240825

Islamic scripture. too lazy to type a long winded explanation as to why this is non-conducive to human health, wellbeing, and evolution.

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>>2240813

post about book? thanks in advance friends

>>2240823
>I believe 100 percent there is no god.
Yeah, that's dogma. In order to "know something" you must first doubt it's validity.
>how am I not better than theists.
You're not, you're equal in your belief. You think theism = religion, that's like me saying atheism = communism/socialism/anarchism. Values, or if you will, morality, is derived from beliefs, not institutions.

>>2240832
and yet, the fact that common place, hateful, static personalities can also be atheist makes it automatically more progressive? Get real, there are assholes in all beliefs, radicals in all ideas. Blaming one for the problems of the world is just, as you described youself, "lazy."

>>2240838
Sorry OP. I actually really wanted to read Rushdie's work? is it any good?

>>2240848

Nothing to do with individual or "collective" personality traits. It has to do with scriptural mandates.

>>2240850

OP here. It's a flame war up in here!

I'm very close to finishing my first Rushdie novel now- I enjoyed it thoroughly. If you enjoy reading "magic realism" (maybe some of Kafka's work as rough comparison) then you might just like it.

>>2240852
I get that. In fact I agree with you. But I also feel that same abuse of written works can be used by any sort of individual if they want to.
Case in point: I could raise up God Delusional and say that theistic belief is anti progressive. We should eradicate the theistic threat! or claim Dawkins' views on eugenics true and therefore re institute slavery via genetic caste systems.
What I'm getting at is that all forms of institutionalized ideas can be used to justify any action if you really want to put the effort into it.
Islam has many faces to it. So do structures that operate under an atheistic standpoint.

>>2240809
No it doesnt.

You're stupid, go to bed.

>>2240825
>specific case means generalization is wrong

no.

>>2240863
>Deist.
stopped reading there.

lol oh you guise.

Oh boy, here we go!.jpg!

>>2240862

>Atrocities can sprout from most philosophical thought

No- and it doesnt negate the explicit atrocities commanded by an omnipotent being in the form of scripture. On punishment of hellfire or, with the right propitiations, the reward of virgins. (in a womans case- regaining her husband)

>>2240845
>I believe 100 percent there is no god.
How many atheists actually say this, though? It's a pretty extreme position and I don't think many would adopt it, at least if they considered the issue at all. Seems to me saying 'atheism is the same as theism' is taking an extreme and maybe non-existent form of atheism and comparing it to the absolute default form of theism (how many Christians would be comfortable expressing less than 100% conviction in God's existence?)

>>2240892
> It's a pretty extreme position

Not really. If there's no evidence to reject the null hypothesis then not believing in the presented hypothesis is a pretty reasonable stance.

>>2240892
If someone introduces themselves as an atheist, by definition they state "they believe there is no god." >>2240900
pretty much this.

What you are describing, isn't atheism per se, but rather an extension of agnostic thought. In your case, agnostic atheism (i.e I'm an not 100 percent sure but I approach life under the idea that there may NOT be a god.)
>>2240877
Never said it negates it. Just saying your tying an idea to an institution, and then tying that institution to a social structure. It would be like arguing Nihlism vs. Antidepression support groups. An abstract idea vs. social social structures.

>>2240918
They might, or they might say 'I don't believe in God', but they won't say 'I 100% believe there is no God'. I'm saying I don't know of any that claim 100% certainty. Dawkins, for example, doesn't. Whereas I assume a Christian's belief in God is almost always 100%- that assumption could always be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's what the idea of faith implies. An atheist doesn't need to have faith in there not being a God.