/lit/ - Literature

GR is shit.

>>22400224
I specifically took up reading because it's an old medium and I'm keenly aware of the negrification of society that's continued unabated since we freed the slaves and slow marched towards inevitable yet terrible integration. As such, I do not read anything written post 1865, for there's no purpose or value in doing so. I'll continue to read the musings of enlightened men (only men) and dream of being a part of their societies, sharing in their wonderful lives.

>>22400236
least triggered DFW fan

>>22400224
>>22400236
What is GR

>>22400364
Lurk 2 weeks before posting newfaggot

>>22400224
If it seems that way, it's because it is. DFW definitely has his moments, but he's the lesser writer of the three. I did appreciate his stylistic adventures, but Joyce (as always, with everything) did it better.

>>22400364
Gay retards

>>22400364
Gravity's Rainbow
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>>22400372
assholes

>>22400253
this

>>22400224
/lit/ in general seems to have a love-hate relationship with IJ. I remember there was much more praise for it back in 2015-17, compared to now when people are more inclined to criticism.

I just finish IJ as well feeling empty as it kind of became part of my life over the last couple months.

>>22400224
I'll never read any of these books. If I want post-modern I'll read Calvino.

Be honest OP, how many blacks are in it. If the number is one or more I'm not touching it.

>>22400253
>1865
Pozzed. 1789 is the point of no return, Protestant Reform is the nail in the coffin for northern Europe, the Great Schism is the biggest blow to Western Europe and although they never recovered they still put out some acceptable things every now and then.

>>22400825
It's hilarious because DFW has probably never interacted with an inner city hood nigga and instead comes up with his own style of ebonics. It's pretty funny to read stuff like "Wardine be cry"

>>22400837
Haha that's soooo funny omg go back

>>22400839
it is, you should give it a go

>>22400837
So there are blacks? I'm being genuine I'm new to reading as a hobby and when I see threads on this book I get the impression it's pretentious garbage. If it's pretentious and full of nigs then I'm definitely not ever giving it a shot. My favorite book is W&P and the only negro is potentially imagined

Now that you've finished that meme trilogy, you should read the sequel meme trilogy of Blood Meridian, Stoner, and The Recognitions.

>>22400856
IJ is not "woke" if that's what you're trying to hint at

>>22400868
No I'm quite literally talking about if it even contains a single black it's an affront to my intellect. I'm the poster earlier who refuses, as a general rule, to read anything post 1865

>>22400871
Your rule seems a bit too severe, The Bible contains one black person (Zipporah the wife of Moses) so by your standards you should avoid it.

>>22400884
I only read The New Testament as any good Christian would.

>>22400886
Go off king, read all about the Jewish Desert Adventures.

>>22400886
There's the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts.

>>22400894
Thanks bro, God Bless
>>22400911
He's a white Ethiopian

>>22400224
>but I have to say the prose in IJ seems pretty mid compared to Ulysses and GR.
Howso?

>>22400982
Does anyone really give a shit what someone who says either "prose" or "mid" believes?

>>22400253
keep larping like you care about the works of the "enlightened" while also reading/posting on 4chan you mid wit.

>>22401046
Neat argument, I agree with you and therefore believe everything you read and everything you think to be dumb and base. Not based btw

>>22400884
>The Bible contains one black person

>>22401035
Has nothing to do with caring about what they believe, why would anyone care about the beliefs of others especially anonymous others? I just want to talk about literature and that is the one thing OP brought about about the books so I threw him a bone to see if had anything to say on the topic which could result in actual discussion.

>>22400224
"Unless this was just Gately himself thinking this up to keep a stiff upper attitude, Gately thinks. The wraith pushes his glasses up sadly. You never think of a wraith looking sad or unsad, but this dream-wraith displays the whole affective range. Gately can hear the horns and raised voices and U-turn squeals way down below on Wash, that indicate it’s around OOOOh., the switching hour. He wonders what something as brief as a car-horn-honk sounds like to a figurant that has to sit still for three weeks to be seen. Wraith, not figurant, Gately meant, he corrects himself. He’s lying here correcting his thoughts like he was talking. He wonders if his brain-voice talks fast enough for the wraith not to have to like tap its foot and look at its watch between words. Are they words if they’re only in your head, though? The wraith blows its nose in a hankie that’s visibly seen better epochs and says he, the wraith, when alive in the world of animate men, had seen his own personal youngest offspring, a son, the one most like him, the one most marvelous and frightening to him, becoming a figurant, toward the end. His end, not the son’s end, the wraith clarifies. Gately wonders if it offends the wraith when he sometimes refers to it mentally as it. The wraith opens and examines the used hankie just like an alive person can never help but do and says No horror on earth or elsewhere could equal watching your own offspring open his mouth and have nothing come out. The wraith says it mars the memory of the end of his animate life, this son’s retreat to the periphery of life’s frame."
What Wallace unearths here is a pervasive tendency of modern social communication that you can already see in pieces like the Catcher in the Rye. What is called phony in one is euphemism in the concept of the wraith. There is a depth of distance between generations that cannot be bridged due to sheer lack of empathy, the amortization of both morals and emotional connection.
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>>22400724
No there wasn't

>>22400253
Kackling

>>22401068
It's all jewish nonsense, who cares anyway

Why don’t people talk more about the pale king here. I’m a third of the way through and it’s really good and I’m starting to see why it might’ve made dfw kill himself
This shit makes me feel dread in the worst way.

>>22400364
gazoo racing

>>22400724
>I remember there was much more praise for it back in 2015-17
I think it was even further back, like 2011-2012. That's at least when I read it based on /lit/ recommendations

>>22403003
>t. Chris Fogle
As far as I can tell I am the only one who wants to talk about it and everyone else just wants to give stock lines about it being unfinished but can not identify in what ways it is unfinished because they have the comprehension of a shoe.

>>22400236
its retarted derangement

>>22403003
In what way does it make you feel dread?

DFW sucks.

>>22405547
fuck you

>>22405547
What the fuck is DFW

>>22405878
Dallas Fort Worth

>>22404595
Makes me feel like a prisoner in my own body.
Brings me face to face with the never ending series of deaths that is life.
It’s kind of weird but it feels like the most accurate to life book I’ve ever read. It also makes me feel like most people of my class’ main source of suffering is their own refusal to grow up.
But maybe I’m just trying to make the book more than it is in an attempt to fill certain metaphysical holes in me, so I can stop feeling so willing to be apathetic. I never really saw DFW as pretentious and don’t understand why people do, maybe this has to do with it?

>>22404545
It’s weird too because the pale king seems much more approachable at first than IJ. But this could just be my acquired experience with DFW’s writing.
Maybe TPK was too late for the kind of huge marketing campaign IJ got.

>>22406461
IJ did not get a huge marketing campaign and it took a few years to get really big. IJ only sold 44k copies world wide its first year, safe bet TPK trounced that but I am not finding sales figures for it.

>>22400236
It’s legitimately one of the worst books i’ve ever read. I’ve never went near another pynchon work since.

>>22400920
>white
>ethiopian
I assume you've never been to Ethiopia have you?

>>22406455
lol

>>22400920
>white Ethiopian
Really nigga?

>>22404545
Also man that chris fogle section really hit hard.
I was thinking that its absolutely true that advice without experience is useless, and that this fact makes it so fiction is far more useful than any 12-step self-help book. Fiction basically consists of experience.

>>22400253
Musings of a bygone era that had worse technology, less information, 99.9% of the population was ugly and smelled like shit, exploitation galore, more deadly diseases, thousands of writing focused on who can be the most pretentious with nothing else going for it, minimial access to healthy foods and meat, a culture that consisted of everyone sucking off a few select people, and a time where white people were essentially slaves chained to a miserable society. Your day dreams of the past are just that; fictional dreams coming from the heads of people who glorify a past that never existed. But if you want to believe in fairy tales, be my guess, but just know that the truth is your dreams are false. The past was really sadistic dreams for the ones who held the key

>>22400253
cringe

>>22408394

Which book did you like the most OP?

>>22408383
What an extremely unconvincing post. Of the things that you listed that supposedly render "the past" a "sadistic dream", I either don't find them particularly characteristic of the past (people are ugly, exploitation) or don't think they are harmful at all (less technology, less information). Perhaps the only benefit of modern life you were able to list was better preventative measures against disease, which I'll grant you. Your post is so far off the mark as a reply to the stock criticisms of modernity that I have to wonder why you even wrote it.

>>22409243
>have to wonder why you even wrote it.
He's used to cultivating up votes for such a virtuous and right-side-of-history-bearing post

>>22400253
it is so god damn funny ppl took this seriously holy shit this website
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>>22409290
I meant it. I'm unironically racist against blacks and women

>>22409296
you do not only read shit that was written before the 13th amendment was ratified, if you do it's even fucking funnier that is your line in the sand.

this is bait and im falling for it

>>22400856
There's a black transvestite purse-snatcher that runs away with some chick's artificial heart. Was a pretty hilarious scene.
A good chunk of this book is boring me to tears, though. I don't give a fuck about tennis. I appreciate the tedium is intentional to get you in the mindset of it all, but it's mind-numbing.

>>22409243
No fucking shit the things I listed still happen today in varying degreees, I'm saying shit in the past had these problems but worse off. Just read about how fucking putrid most humans were (sometimes still are) when they lack information on hygiene and preventing disease. As for everything else you disagreed with, I can tell you tunnel vision towards the idealized falsehoods of the past so much that it makes your everyday view of the present even more delusional by the day. Especially you not caring for accesible information, that tells me so much of how much of a worm of a human being you're. A statement so bad it would make everyday academics, and great thinkers of humanties past collectively agree to kick your ass and piss on your grave for having such a take

>>22409388
>poor tony
>black
You might not have been so bored if you had some comprehension.

>>22409438
I struggle to comprehend sometimes. This book had me looking up esoteric 3-letter words. You're right that I don't remember Poor Tony's race ever being mentioned.

>>22400856
Would you read a book where the eternal negro is the adversary?

>>22409243
I’m drunk

I can understand smart posts but can’t make any smart posts of my own, I feel like salieri from Amadeus

Is there any way to fix this?

>>22409388
>>22409438
I thought Poor Tony was black too. It has to be mentioned somewhere, right?

>>22409575
He is of upper middle class Jewish stock, we get told this sideways by way of the back story about his father, narrator slips in some Yiddish/Hebrew stuff. A few other clues here and there but we never get told outright. Think we get a hint from Gately after Bobby C shows up and a few comments about his complexion scattered throughout.

>>22409524
Only if the enemy as an idea, not if put in to characterization lest I suffer ebonics assault on my pristine mind.