/lit/ - Literature

>>22388181
Early life section.

>>22388225
Don’t look there goyim! Please don’t reproduce and produce more Aryan children, it’s for there own good!

>>22388181
>hunts
>you only know about the book b/c nic pizzolatto name dropped it as a red herring for his show lifted entirely from lovecraft
cringe
>>22388225
this

>>22388267
>don’t reproduce and produce more Aryan children
haha yeah, I have to hold back really hard to make sure I don't do this

>>22388653
yes submit faggot!

>>22388181
>check author on wiki
>still alive

>>22388181
>the book that no one on lit thinks about until you make one of these bait threads again

As a Muslim, it makes me so happy to see kuffar constantly spread ideology among themselves not to reproduce. It will إن شاء الله tank their civilizations when their birthrates are low enough to be catastrophic

>>22388181
Reminder the guy who wrote that is a mentally unstable retard. No wonder he mostly avoids interviews:
>they go for a walk in the park
>interviewer forwards the idea that life can be improved
>Benatar raises his voice and starts sperging that life never improves (objectively false by the way)
>Benatar literally starts crying and basically says "life is unacceptable"
>interviewer is taken aback by his outburst and at a loss for words (Benatar is inconsolable)
Benatar is pretty unstable. On top of that he admits that his ideas are damaging while using the excuse that his work is academic and only meant for those that seek it out (note that these people are likely to have personality disorders and mental illness). Benatar objectively creates suffering and given that he's under the delusion that his work is toward the opposite: he's delusional and irrational.

>>22389121
Also a reminder that those who profess anti-natalist beliefs are more likely to suffer from personality disorders and mental illness.

>>22389128
This doesn't mean that anti-natalist arguments can be dismissed solely due to this fact; it does however add context to why autists make these threads and are completely unable to understand why they are wrong. It also has direct implications regarding Benatar's quality of life argument (i.e. anti-natalists are stuck in a rigid ideological system as a cope for to sustain their defective worldview)

>>22389128
Anti-natalists are at a complete poverty when it comes to weighing quality of life. Their defective nature simply precludes them from accepting any rationalization outside of their own self-indoctrination. They don't necessarily mean to be disingenuous because such is simply written into their nature.

>>22388181
>NOT BAD THO!
Arguing with antinatalists is pointless unless you just want to make fun of them. Their entire argument is based on insisting you accept their axioms and allow them to maintain a monopoly on how they are to be interpreted. You can lay out reasons as to why their axioms should be rejected (i.e. by way of making qualitative arguments and/or flaws in their logic), point out that their worldview can be used to justify bad-to-horrendous moral outcomes (i.e. undermining the idea antinatalism is about eliminating suffering), and punch holes in Benatar's interpretation itself--all of this will flow in one ear and out the other with them. They're ideologically possessed cognitively rigid retards who really just want to project their own sense of misery out into the world.

>>22389133
>autists
It’s the psychopaths and regular midwits pushing this. Autists are natural platonists

physiognomy refuted him

>>22389357
Unfortunately that's just some guy who did a podcast with him. Benatar won't show his face in public because he's a neurotic pussy (e.g. prone to breaking down during interviews in a park >>22389121). He also won't confirm he doesn't have kids (his argument is "my book is true either way").

I honestly can't believe incels buy into his bullshit. Well, I guess I can given the propensity toward mental illness and personality disorders among his followers.

>>22389357
I'd wish I were dead too if I looked like that, what a rotten little Jew.

>>22388181
Abuse of counterfactuals. How can this guy be taken seriously?

>>22389632
Kek jews really are mentally ill freaks. Bunch of losers im glad theyre about to get kicked out of the West

So the refutation of anti-natalism basically comes down to ad-hominem attacks?
Very insightful thread.

>>22388181
>you cant lose if you dont play
This is what antinatalism boils down to. Hard to dispute frankly

>>22388181
>The books that hunts /lit/ and can't refute
>the books
>that hunts
>and can't refute
Grotesque grammatical errors should be a bannable offense

>>22389357
That's not him, that's this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/@TheDissenterRL

>>22389382
Fucking what? There's a chance that Benatar himself has kids while promoting antinatalism? Not to sound antisemantic, but what a Jew thing to do

>>22389121
>Benatar raises his voice and starts sperging that life never improves (objectively false by the way)
you sound like the kind of faggot loser who would file 50 job applications and act like hot shit when his 51st got accepted
Most things in general end in failure and that's a fact

>>22388181
https://www.abolitionist.com/anti-natalism.html

>Benatar's policy prescription is untenable. Radical anti-natalism as a recipe for human extinction will fail because any predisposition to share that bias will be weeded out of the population. Radical anti-natalist ethics is self-defeating: there will always be selection pressure against its practitioners. Complications aside, any predisposition not to have children or to adopt is genetically maladaptive. On a personal level, the decision not to bring more suffering into the world and forgo having children is morally admirable. But voluntary childlessness or adoption is not a global solution to the problem of suffering.

>Yet how should rational moral agents behave if - hypothetically - some variant of Benatar's diagnosis as distinct from policy prescription was correct?

>In an era of biotechnology and unnatural selection, an alternative to anti-natalism is the world-wide adoption of genetically preprogrammed well-being. For there needn't be selection pressure against gradients of lifelong adaptive bliss - i.e. a radical recalibration of the hedonic treadmill. The only way to eradicate the biological substrates of unpleasantness - and thereby prevent the harm of Darwinian existence - is not vainly to champion life's eradication, but instead to ensure that sentient life is inherently blissful. More specifically, the impending reproductive revolution of designer babies is likely to witness intense selection pressure against the harmfulness-promoting adaptations that increased the inclusive fitness of our genes in the ancestral environment of adaptation. If we use biotechnology wisely, then gradients of genetically preprogrammed well-being can make all sentient life subjectively rewarding - indeed wonderful beyond the human imagination. So in common with "positive" utilitarians, the "negative" utilitarian would do better to argue for genetically preprogrammed superhappiness.

>>22389072
You'll have to compete with fundamentalist Christians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t7jdW14Rkk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjuBRaLYWnA
https://www.unz.com/akarlin/breeders-revenge/

>>22388946
Pic related was an antinatalist and actually killed himself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqeN2RRR3xQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30OlsIZb31Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnnOhZuny_M
https://vitrifyher.wordpress.com/2019/12/19/antinatalism-in-purgatory/

>I’m an antinatalist. I think it’s unforgivable to bring new people into this world given that there is suffering. The thing is that lately I’ve been thinking and feeling that people aren’t real. This would partially solve the problem of evil. There is just my suffering and everyone else is a simulation designed to spite me. This should cause me to not feel so antinatalist since the breeders are disgusting alien mockeries of a true human being, namely myself. Yet somehow I still feel very antinatalist. When I see children with their parents I am disgusted at the entire concept. They are probably just facets of the simulation and not souls brimming with the inner light of awareness like myself. And yet they still move me enough to cause disgust. I suppose that was the intention of the designer(s), to create something that appeared so real that it was actually disturbing. Dr. Miller says I have some sort of syndrome after finding out about my solipsism. I think he’s an imbecile who deserves to be burned on a stake. But out of my bodhisattva-like compassion I would instead grant him a consciousness and send him to heaven forever.

>Like I’ve said before, it’s plausible to me that this is a punishment. My failure at making friends, then my failure at soccer, then my failure in the stock market, then my failure at university, then my crippling depression. The reason I think it’s a punishment may just be projecting a sense of justice to something that is intrinsically devoid of any anthropomorphic qualities. But it may also be that there really is intelligent design (which I now strongly feel is the case) and the reason this isn’t heaven is because the force behind existence isn’t like me. It’s not the sort of thing that would give heaven to its enemies.

>>22388181
I'm an antinatalist and even I find the assymetry argument retarded and Benetar to be a shitty philosopher. The only "good" point he makes is that we don't grieve about the nonexistence of martians.