/lit/ - Literature

>>22368113
That book is not really on the tarot. It uses the tarot to trick you to become an heretical trad-catholic that believes in reincarnation.

>>22368122
>It uses the tarot to trick you to become an heretical trad-catholic that believes in reincarnation
And it succeeded

>>22368122
I don’t need to be tricked into becoming a heretical trad-catholic that believes in reincarnation; I already am one. But I mostly just used that pic in the OP because I knew if I didn’t, everyone would just recommend that one and few if any other books would get recommended.

>>22368113
You posted it. But for something more conventionally “tarotologic” it’s probably picrel

>>22368133
I see pic related often recommended alongside the one you posted. Have you read it? Is it also good?

Does /lit/ prefer the Tarot de Marseille, the Rider-Waite Tarot, or the Thoth Tarot?

>>22368240
Tarot de Marseille is the classic, the traditional, and the best.

>>22368131
>>22368128
what got you into reincarnation bros

>>22368240
the B.O.T.A. Tarot

>>22368252
My mother raised me to believe in it. She always wanted a child, but could not conceive and was told by doctors that it would be virtually impossible for her to do so. She was her older brother’s primary caretaker for most of their lives; he was a schizophrenic who suffered from a variety of health conditions (diabetes, kidney disease, etc.) Shortly after he died, she found out she was pregnant with me (despite being infertile). Everyone in my family says I look exactly like him and my mother says we have the exact same personality. As for the Catholic part, my father’s side of the family are traditional Irish Catholics, hence I’m a “heretical trad-catholic that believes in reincarnation.”

>>22368253
Isn’t the BOTA Tarot the same as the Rider-Waite Tarot, just with some alterations?

>>22368113
all my tarot readings are bad and my life is terrible so i guess you can say it works

>>22368267
so you're your own retarded uncle?
do you actually believe this?

>>22368280
I believe in reincarnation, but I’m skeptical as to whether I’m actually a reincarnation of my uncle. I mostly believe in reincarnation because it seems intuitive to me, though being raised with that story has probably contributed to the concept of reincarnation being intuitive to me.

>>22368288
You sound like a retarded incest baby

>>22368294
Literally how

>>22368248
Which Tarot de Marseille deck you prefer?

>>22368288
Must have been weird being made to believe that story as a child.

>>22368294
You're posting in a thread about tarot cards

>>22368252
Meditating on the phenomenology of heaven, hell, and purgatory, and how these can be so manifestly present in our current current life while also being post-mortem states.

>>22368113
is this even a question?! wtf bro read Waite himself for tarot.

>>22368122
that was obvious from a cursory google search but thanks for the confirmation. just here to check for actual good books. I always liked Alan Moore's exploration of the Tarot in Promethea

>>22369104
I have a copy of his novel Jerusalem to dig into, not sure what strain of hermetic mysticism awaits in that. I'm not Watchmen dickrider but confess I like a wide variety of his work

>>22368954
Waite’s Key to the Tarot is useless. It gives very brief and very vague descriptions of the cards and that’s it.

What's the book about?
I'm Katlick and if I do fuckery with tarot cards or some shit I need to go to confession for it.

>>22369542
It's about the christian symbolic meaning of cards as mystery allegory, nothing wrt fortune telling

>>22368240
Hermetic Tarot is the best.

Was he tarotpilled?

>>22368240
Imo one of the most interesting tarot decks out there is the Sinister Tarot by Richard Moult. Its the deck the Order of Nine Angles use. I don't even like them, and honestly the artwork isn't even that good (Moult's more recent stuff is a lot better), but it has an interesting vibe and it totally reinvents the traditional tarot deck in line with their whole mythology. Its rare as fuck but I'd love to get my hands on a deck.

>>22370905
Is Meditations on the Tarot actually in that pile, or is it just speculated?

>>22370874
It’s so ugly though

>>22371221
It is the German edition in two volumes. Those first two volumes on the tables are it.

>>22368122
When does it espouse reincarnation? It's admittedly kind of a bait and switch from being an ostensible occult book when it's really a book on Catholic philosophy.

It's very foreboding and almost exit-tier literature despite how commonly it gets namedropped on this board.

>>22369542
The title is larpy but it's not about actual fortune-telling or divination. It has individual chapters you can read in any order that are about each individual tarot card, then using the visual symbolism of the cards for allegories on the nature of Christian theology/meditative practice. It uses a lot of actual in-depth theology but also occasionally discusses things in light of very modern thinkers like Jung and Nietzsche (often criticizing those modern thinkers).

It's kinda hard to accurately describe because there's really nothing else like it.

>>22368113
I remember liking the book but I forgot almost everything. Unfortunately I think it would still apply after a reread. The associations are wild enough they don't spontaneously fall into a workable scheme.

>>22371226
Objectively false.

>>22371499
It’s not even in color

>>22368113
Which tarot? I personally know Cego pretty well, and a bit about Königrufen.

SURELY you're not talking about schizo bullshit that has nothing to do with card games, right?

>>22371499
It can’t compare to the art of the Rider-Waite or Thoth tarots

This one

Guenonly reminder that he said not to touch tarot because no one knows wtf are its original origins

>>22371821
I have that one, but never read it. Is it worth it?

>>22371906
Why is it important to know the original origins of an spiritual practice?

>>22371906
it is archetypes. origins of those are within not without. you can't trace it back certainly to any period because they have been here with humanity from the start. whenever that was. obviously you can trace back to certain decks but not the symbols itself.

Oh shit stumbled on tumblr by accident...

seriously, christcuckery is gay enough, now you trannies get involved in feminine crap like tarots?

>>22368274
BOTA deez nuts

>>22371906
What do you mean nobody knows? They're french playing cards, French Tarot is a popular trick taking game like Bridge, divination faggotry happened much later and the deck was simply appropriated for it

>>22368252
Neither of these anons, but it seems intuitive to me. I suspect that God is real, and therefore, and that God is "rational" in the sense that our own senses of rationality and intuition are a reflection of God's. So I'm 1) assuming God has a purpose for us, and 2) noticing that we are here and existing and aware of the life we are leading - which means our living this life is "intentional".

If this is true, it means God wants us to live this life. My (admittedly possibly schizo-tier) intuition leads me to believe this has some kind of didactic purpose, and that we're intended to experience a full spectrum of life until such a point where we come to a full understanding of it, at which time we can joyfully come to reunion with God, ready and willing. So we live and relive as many lives as necessary to learn what we need to learn.

I also think time is non-linear, so it's also likely that people reincarnate "backwards", thus solving the oft-raised issue of how there can be so many human beings on Earth without making "new souls", but that's a whole other topic.

>>22371994
Gottem

>>22371499
It really is. All the depictions of humans or animals are embarrassingly bad.

>>22371908
Not that anon, but the author seems pretty learned, albeit a feminist cunt.

>>22371906
>doesn't know
>assumes no-one knows
Many such cases.

>>22370926
>it totally reinvents the traditional tarot deck in line with their whole mythology
This is done routinely t.b.h.

crowley and his spiritual offspring have been a disaster on the occult

>>22372870
Why, because blew its secrecy and put an end to the gatekeeping?
Or because he exposed all the cultism and fakery for what it really was?

>>22368113
Wirth and Mouni Sadhu are very good, although the latter is not very entry level

>>22368240
I have tried to read Marseilles for years. Here's a dirty secret: people who read Marseilles don't read pips, they read majors only. Even Jodorowsky, who claims to teach and read pips, gives examples that are mostly majors only.

If you want to read ALL the cards, practically speaking, your choices are the less traditional RWS or Thoth. I prefer Thoth since that's what I learned on.

Tarot for gigachads

>>22368113
I designed a tarot deck, and two companies have come really close to picking it up. We keep getting to the contract phase, only for them to back out for fear of censorship from Amazon. It's driving me a little crazy.

>>22373345
Why would it be censored? Give us some pics of the cards

>>22372870
This

>>22372985
He gave it to the plebs who misunderstood, misused and vulgarized the teachings which is extremely dangerous

>>22373491
this times infinity.

>>22373491
>extremely dangerous
LOL

>>22373336
Interesting concept, but those images are gay as fuck.

>>22373519
yes, very dangerous

>>22373519
Most people who screw around with occultism and can get "results" end up dead or in a mental hospital eventually, all they do is create chaos in other people's lives (and their own) and become extremely selfish. You're a fool if you think you've discovered hidden secrets of the universe that can make you a god and think there's no consequences, or think maybe it's like a videogame or a toy or something. It would be more safe to give a nigger child a loaded firearm or a bag of grenades. It was reserved for elites who had to take serious vows, not because they were just selfish and wanted to keep everything for themselves. That's how a fool thinks.

Go play with pokemon or tarot cards or something.

>>22373564
>Most people who screw around with occultism and can get "results" end up dead or in a mental hospital
This is like the argument that cannabis makes you crazy, when all it does is attract crazy people.
>You're a fool if you think you've discovered hidden secrets of the universe that can make you a god and think there's no consequences
Good news - I don't. That's the type of inflated egoism that schizos typically demonstrate.
>It was reserved for elites who had to take serious vows, not because they were just selfish and wanted to keep everything for themselves
Quite wrong. They literally considered themselves the secret rulers of humanity. Power was what they craved. Of course they were just the type of schizos I mentioned above.

>>22373564
>Most people who screw around with occultism and can get "results" end up dead or in a mental hospital eventually
90% of people who are into occultism and tarot are bored college girls and soccer moms, most of them end up perfectly fine, eventually they get bored of this shit and move on to other nonsense like horoscopes and healing crystals or veganism

>>22373627
Ya i mean people with actual knowledge/practise of occult reality, sorry if my post didn't make that clear.

>>22373734
>actual knowledge
You mean people who larp harder?

>>22370926
>Order of Nine Angles
Fuck off.

>>22371277
>When does it espouse reincarnation?
It doesn't

>>22373773
Yeah they're shit, but its an interesting tarot deck imo

>>22371294
Sounds like it's just in my ballpark. Thanks, but does he also go over the origin of the tarot card pictures?