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22368883 No.22368883 [Reply] [Original]

Materialist philosophy is an absolute cinematic masterpiece. The likes of Lenin and Engels unleash an unrelenting barrage of mockery upon their "intellectual" adversaries. They hold an unwavering disdain for Duhring and the machists, a sentiment vividly evident in their scathing critiques. Even Feuerbach exudes a certain sassiness in his discourse on materialism. I've observed a similar trend: the more one becomes enmeshed in bourgeois-driven institutions of education, the more inclined they are to disavow materialism at its core (albeit disguising this rejection as materialistic alignment, though it crumbles under scrutiny). The underlying foundation of all idealistic thought lies in the notion of a divine intellect orchestrating existence through immutable laws—ironically, these very laws extend their dominion over our societal realm. Hence, return to the factory, proletarian, for we, the self-proclaimed conduits of divine communion, hold the ultimate prescription for your path forward.

You gotta have thick steel barrier to your brain if you ever wish to become a communist. You must be able to see right through bourgeois ideology and mystification. Ask yourself the very simple question: does their analysis start of from the world as something existing outside us, or does their analysis suppose some idea outside the material world influencing it? To combat bourgeois ideology you need to be a proper materialist. Read the philosophical works of Feurebach, Dietzgen, Engels, Lenin. Become a dialectical materialist - never fall into metaphysics or eclecticism, тoвapиши

Fundamentally the debate between idealists and materialists boils down to the very simple question of whether you believe that reality is understandable or that it is not. The idealist position is a position of a coward who admits to not understanding reality fully and fills the gaps, this time not with some god, but with ideas, abstractions 'outside' reality (how silly!). They have the tendency of requiring materialists to prove what is not provable while never giving such a harsh decision themselves. Such a decision is left to god, or the Idea, or the absolute, spirit, whatever. The materialist, as any human, realizes the primacy of matter over ideas in his early youth already. It is only through bourgeois education and mystification of reality that the intellectual stratum of capitalist society puts fat in the eyes of proletarians. Give yourself up to the great idea, oh you swines. We have figured out reality, and it is beyond us. It's esoteric. It's the coward's way out having to deal with reality. And yet, they never kill themselves despite being sure that the idea is eternal and matter is a dirty word. How strange.

>> No.22368898

Stopped reading at ‘cinematic masterpiece’

>> No.22369070

Btfo’d by Weber

>> No.22369142

>>22368883
germans can't even be materialists properly. they mixed it up with a bunch of pseudoscientific bs. don't associate Democritus with this slop.

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>>22368883
this unironically sounds like a cult. why are pinkos like this?

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>>22370051
That's because it is. The problem with communism is the farther left you go with it, it turns into abject nihilism which negates the object-subject distinction into a hyper determinism vacuum that empties all biological contents into the metaphysical trash can

>> No.22370073

Communism was btfo by Lucretius a long time ago. Just LOL that there are *still* people striving to make utopias.

>> No.22370075

>>22368883
Everything you said about idealism applies only to the absurd nonsense that came from clowns like Hegel. Read Kant, read Schopenhauer. You'll realize your materialism is not as solid as you think it is.

>> No.22370084

>>22368883
Distill your rambling nonsense into one intelligible sentence or gtfo

>> No.22370112

>>22370075
Schopenhauer is just a materialist with an asterisk next to it. Once you admit that your thought comes entirely from the brain there is no practical difference between materialism and idealism. In the same way modern materialists are basically idealists with an asterisk because they’re forced to admit matter experiences things in some way.

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>>22368883
how's 8th grade?

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>>22368883
Reality is hard, and it hurts.

>> No.22370232

>>22370084
Knowable reality exists outside our senses, anything beyond this statement is eclecticism at best, solipsism at worst.

>> No.22370351

Marxism is just crypto-Lutheranism

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>>22368883

The creator/creation dialectic is a metaphysical projection of master/slave, command/obey.

Materialism is an orphaned creation without creativity, decapitated theism.

Process-relationalism is the true socialist metaphysics. It is the metaphysics of change and relationships.

Great intro to process philosophy: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/341822513_Toward_the_Unification_of_Process_Philos

Here is process-relationalism translated into a spirituality:

https://old.reddit.com/r/NarrativeDynamics/comments/13bzqha/aho_mitakuye_oyasin_all_my_relations/

>> No.22370445

>>22368883
>whig history
>it's NOT metaphysics WE SWEAR!
Why are communists like this, bro?

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"Whitehead's Radically Temporalist Metaphysics" by George Allen removes timeless eternal objects from Whitehead's philosophy, and replaces his misconception of god with The Ultimate Community. It would also serve as an excellent introduction to Whitehead's philosophy, though remember that process-relationalism is a lot more than just Whitehead.

>> No.22370505

>>22370232
Isn't this just noumena except you say that you can somehow know it?