/lit/ - Literature

>>22360780
You only need one book - The World as a Will and Representation.

>>22360780
check the Conspiracy against the Human Race for a good overview

>>22360780
Cynicism is better.

>>22360812
Why?

>>22360794
Is there a specific translation or publication to look for?
>>22360811
Thanks.

>>22360780
Schopenhauer's pessimism is the antidote to Leibniz's artificial optimism. Who deceived you?

dick solves every "problem" a woman might have. even nietzsche said the same thing except for women getting pregnant

>>22360828
>Who deceived you?
Everyone, though I cannot blame them for it. They have to do it to propagate life.

>>22360824
If you had (music plays) one shot at living in a ceramic urn, would you do it or just let it ride? Whoa snap back to Athens time to troll Plato by throwing a plucked chicken in his auditorium, whoa there's your rational human! Snap back to Athens strolling down the street tryna finda man with a lantern and it just gets harder each day I got dogs ta feed and the concept of government funded welfare hadn't been invented yet, mom I don't want to grow old and die in my pot I gotta scheme up a plan just forget all desire for wealth and eschew the society at large cuz they all a bunch of cunts!

>>22360780
Read >>22360811
And The Last Messiah both of it will cover the philosophical side

Then read The Cynic's Breviary by Chamfort to cover the societal side.
Then read Schopenhauer's essay for further psychological insight.

Then consult Cioran and Pessoa. They wrote fragments. They will stay with you for the rest of your life.

>>22360780
>>22360867
>Ask Mom why I was born
>"A-Anon it's because ch-children are a gift from God...We had a dream...You are really precious...blah blah blah blah..."
>Stare at her without uttering a word.
>Dad tries to save the situation by making a joke about how lovable I was as a child, and how I have changed for worse.
>Still stare at them
>They panickingly talk about something on the TV to divert my attention.
They know, they really know.

>>22361444
>>Dad tries to save the situation by making a joke about how lovable I was as a child, and how I have changed for worse.
Lol damn

>>22360780
>My eyes have finally opened to the deception of life.
Ah to be 15 again, bros

>>22361463
I am 27 actually.

>>22361463
Not an argument.

>>22360916
Weall would likely be slaves, so it wouldn't be as fun as you think it would be.

>>22361592
Well not with that attitude you eternal pessimist.

maybe life would be so heccin cruel and torturous if you crawled out of your coom cave for once and talked to some BITCHES, chud.

>>22361620
>SEX SEX SEX

>>22360780
Philosophical pessimism is, as I understand it, an empirical claim that life, on the whole, suffers more than what pleasure it experiences can justify.

This seems quite plausible when considering nature red in tooth and claw, not to mention factory farms or the quiet suffering of poverty and illness. Our modern lives with nursing homes, psychiatric wards, and prisons have hidden away much of the vestiges of first world suffering and death.

But global poverty, senescence, and pain of all kinds are steadily waning.

Ginsberg’s poem famously begins “I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness”.

I am luckier than Ginsberg. I got to see the best minds of my generation identify a problem and get to work.

>>22360780
>There is no school of pessimism
anon you missed it by a 150 years

When a "Doomer" reaches the bottom of his misery, and still refuses to accept salvation, he begins to eruditely dissimulate said misery as personal indignation, thus, filling his newfound identity with his mental illness, and subtly perpetuating his, and others', suffering.

Blasphemous publication/s: ungodly disservice; better to act silently, and to get your life in order, than to verbally defecate.

>>22361718
im gonna read this because i like the guy in the cover and how he looks, he would be awesome to chill with.

>>22361750
Proof of God?

>>22361508
Of course not, I am just being a dick

>>22361000
>>And The Last Messiah both of it will cover the philosophical side
>
>Then read The Cynic's Breviary by Chamfort to cover the societal side.
>Then read Schopenhauer's essay for further psychological insight.
>
>Then consult Cioran and Pessoa. They wrote fragments. They will stay with you for the rest of your life.
all that stuff is from atheists, ie people born after the rise of secular enlightenment, ie jsut nihilism. Those ''people'' have no clue about nihilism let alone escaping it. The only thing those ''people'' do is coping by creating some pathetic framework where someone atheism is not debased nihilistic individualistic hedonism.

>>22363315
>someone
somehow

>>22360780
What's the name of the original painting?

>>22363315
You say that they don't know nihilism but then accuse them of being nihilists(they are not). What are you trying to say?
>someone atheism is not debased nihilistic individualistic hedonism.
Atheism is simply not believing in a religious god. Meaning and morality do need a god.

>>22363319
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Clausen,_George_(Sir)_(RA)_-_Youth_Mourning.jpg

If you dare, take the Carlo Michelstaedter and Philipp Mainländer "invent a philosophy so unbearable that you kill yourself" challenge.
Mainländer set the record first at 35 but Michelstaedter invented new strats and got down to 23. You might count Weininger who also got 23 a few years earlier but I don't think he was explicitly doing pessimism.

>>22363319
Also the upper part is, Hieronymus the Descent of Christ into Hell.

>>22361444
Look at it this way, if you weren't born you would have missed out on getting those trips.

>>22363315
god isnt real

>>22363461
lmao.

>>22360780
t. weak faggot who cannot rise above the tumult and see the eternal beauty of existence

>>22361457
Are we damning at the self-own? Dad be like "im an incompetent retard that shouldn't have reproduced"

>>22363484
>He fell for the "Le strongman" meme.
Ngmi. Denying pessimism is denying life itself.

>>22363484
Cioran BTFO Camus' amateur philosophy.

>>22363484
this is what women believe kek

>>22361444
>Ask mom why I was born
>"Because I wanted to have kids"
>There is literally no other reason for my existence
Based mom, very based.

>>22363315
Did you read The Last Messiah at all? There are no pretentions of atheism being anything but debased nihilistic individualistic hedonism... But it is still the truth 42vrh

>>22363315
Then read Julius Bahnsen. Guy was so pessimistic he believed in eternal damnation for everyone.

>>22361463
Its unironically one of those iq memes but with maturity.

>>22360780
Pessimists tend to be people unconsciously fixated upon satisfying their need to feel valuable (famous/important/significant/admired/superior/high status) but who have failed, and after pinning their hopes of curing their low self-esteem on something, become disillusioned and struggle to find anything enjoyable at all.
A very key component seems to be the cope of having an 'I'm intelligent' self image, and associating happiness with stupidity. Pessimists look at people being happy and try to save face by declaring them deluded or stupid. It feels good to them because in some way this allows them to satisfy their initial urge to feel superior/ valuable, but it has the side-effect of making almost everything else that might have made been enjoyable to them an assault on their self-esteem. If they have already come to conscious pessimistic conclusions, then enjoying something would also be felt as 'being proved wrong', and would likewise be experienced as an unpleasant stab. Reasons are crafted to justify and sustain these tendencies, and they become a victim of a jaded confirmation bias.

Oh well, at least they aren't a 'grinning idiot'...they've seen the 'truth'...kek

>>22364550
You're so retarded it hurts, you completely misunderstand Pessimism because you think anything negative is "whiny emo baby shit". Life sucks and I don't wanna deny it anymore, you're not meant to be happy 24/7 you faggot.

>>22365583
If you didn't realize yet, pro lifers hate and despite pessimism, pessimists can't understand pro lifers and there is absolutely no chance for productive discourse between the two.
Basically it comes down to brain chemistry. Pro lifers are npc presence enjoyers, pessimists are not supported by a padding brain transmitter reality which denies them from all deeper truths.

>>22364434
you're the only other anon besides me whose mentioned Bahnsen as far as I know. I havn't actually read him bc my german is still at toddler level but have my own scanned copy of Die Widerspruch. Have you read it anon?

>>22365631
>>22365583
Basic strawman to dismiss him as "retarded" and the other clinging to some notion of "deeper truths" you're both doing exactly like the anon here >>22364550 said, protecting your wounded egos by crafting some narrative where pessimism is proof of intelligence and happiness=stupidity. It's like fucking pottery.

Emotions are subjective valuations, each person has positive or negative feels depending on how successfully adapted their instincts are to their environment. Neither optimism nor pessimism can be The Deeper Truth, and if you find yourself drawn to thinking your personal history of repeated success or failures is some universal, then you're clearly deluding yourself for whatever reason. Keep coping though.

>>22365763
Good post desu

>>22361444
"Mom, why did you reproduce?"
"I am an animal that, like all other lifeforms, exists to further the existence of my genetic kerthunka-thunk. That is what I, and you, and they, are made for. There is no why."

>>22365763
What is the deeper truth then? Oh nothing? Just reproduce, wagecuck and die? My feelings don't matter? That doesn't change anything that people still suffer and will always feel like shit. Pessimism is just a way to cope with problems in our lives instead of hiding behind faggot shit that you're talking out of your ass.

I suspect that the mods of this board might be hypocrites.
they're extremely biased against pessimistic literature.
they shove those types of threads to the archive despite there being active discussion and quickly run out of patience for this type of content.
they accuse you of posting philosophy under the guise of this being a literature board but they're more than happy to let other types of philosophy threads as long as it doesn't annoy them.

>>22365763
it is not about subjectivity you moron.
yes life has "good" in it as well as "bad". either in a personal subjective sense or in a "objective" anthropomorphic sense.
but that doesn't justify the misery.

>>22365657
No, I've only read about the guy. Sorry, I didn't even know his works weren't translated. Did anyone translate Mainlander yet?

>>22366024
Whether it's justified or not is the subjective valuation though. To some a single sublime moment might be worth countless joyless lives filled with pain and suffering. More so if it's other people that live them. Others would destroy the entire universe if it undid some humiliation they suffered.

Another way to describe the processes here...
Some people become fixated on the avoidance of pain, especially after an intensely bad experience when young. They play it safe to avoid more more suffering, always looking out for potential threats, and slowly they find they can't relax, never mind enjoy things. You can never completely be safe, the future holds certain death. Reducing a risk might bring brief release, but soon enough some other anxieties begin to replace them. Complaining and self pity feel satisfying as they give explanations for the suffering, as well as justify further risk avoidance. The world is concluded to be a dangerous place, and evidence to support this becomes very attractive.
Others were lucky enough to not suffer too much too early, and they are more preoccupied on chasing their desires. They successfully satisfied their urges and know clearly how to do it again. Risk isn't so important, and even when they must suffer from the effort of action and work, they don't mind so much because it is the pleasure at the end they keep in mind. The discomforts they endure are dismissed and minimised, or even reframed as an 'acquired taste'. They don't whine and aren't addicted to self pity, because these would make them feel pathetic. The world is a place filled with opportunity, pleasure, victory. Negative people just seem like whiners and are avoided/dismissed if possible.

In both cases the brain filters out perceptual 'noise' that it deems irrelevant to goals, and keeps bringing into attention pain in the first case, and pleasures in the second.

>>22360780
read Ecclesiastes and be freed.

>>22366619
If you can't believe in god, it just makes you feel a lot worse and confirms that all christians are coping and dilating.

>>22360780
You're in good luck, brother, because I had the same realization recently, and I'm about to start a new movement for people like us.

>>22366629
>can't believe
just proves you're ignorant.

>>22366636
No, I literally cannot believe in god. I don't think I'm too smart for it or any of that fedora shit, I just can't believe in it anymore I can believe in fairies or santa claus or whatever faggot gods the niggers in africa worship.
I don't think I ever will, no matter how much I read about it, I will never be able to believe the fantastical stories of the bible.

>>22364550
>>22365763
>>22366609
Being born is worse by design.
>Everything that is born, has to die.
Fear of death is the most frightening thing, that is why 95% of the population uses one cope or the other to deal with it. Let's say you are one of the few brave men, who has conquered this fear without resorting to using any cope then...
>Death of your loved ones, especially the next generation
You may not fear your own death, but watching your loved ones pass away is a dreadful experience. You might try to reason that everyone dies and this may help you with your parents and older members of your family. But what your children. Nothing hurts a parent more than having to bury your own child. But let's say you are man of great wisdom and courage, this brings us to...
>Genetics and Enivornment
A parent has to take utmost care to give his best for his children. That is, provide not just food and shelter, but a proper education and upbringing. And not just that, but a healthy neighbourhood, some place where bad actors can't hurt your child. This costs a lot of money. Many parents work really hard for their children but they often fail to consider that their children may go through the same. If you are someone working 14 hours/day and hate your job, would you want the same for your child? Assuming you have a better work environment, you have to consider the human body itself, your own genetics. You hear about increase in obesity rates and genetic disorders, finding micro plastics in womb, etc. Environmental pollution has caused an increase in cancer rates too. Added the problem of climate change. And we haven't even understood these properly, let alone find a proper solution to it. Would you be willing to take your chances knowing this, while you stake your child's life? Can you say that you are acting in good faith, and are not giving into your selfish biological urges?
>Nature of Evil
You have to protect your child from the unkown evil, while your own child doesn't participate in it.

>>22366656
Grab apologetics and theology, then.
you're thinking them fantastical because you don't understand.

>>22366656

>>22366676
I'll give it a shot, give me one(1) book you think will do the trick.
Something that can drive the point home as effectively and concisely as The Last Messiah. I don't enjoy being an atheistic pessimistic physicalist, but it is what I believe with an unwavering conviction.

>>22366630
Is it a cult? Because that's my idea thobeit

>>22366690
If this were to work at all, I'd believe it's an AI before believing it's an actual dead person desu

>>22366659
Why would we fear death if we didn't value being alive? I've lost loved ones, parents, friends, even one partner. Cancer, heart attack, cancer, overdose, cancer, car accident. The loss of someone we are attached can be fucking excruciating, and any way of dealing with it is necessarily cope. I meditated on the memories I still have of them, how they are still part of my psyche. I still hear echoes of the words they said, and occasionally talk to them as though they are still here. Even though their deaths hurt, I would never wish I never knew them at all just so I wouldn't have to experience the loss and grief of losing them. I haven't experienced my own child die, but every one of those deaths left one or two parents burying their child, and while it might have crushed some of them, for a while at least, they all found a way to pull through. To some it's the worst thing in the world, but also there something very mundane about it when it actually happens. It happens to us all. People mostly just find a way to keep going, and very few seem to think it invalidates everything else, at least in my experience.

>>22366693
unsure if a single book can go through it all.
it comes from knowledge of the entire Bible.

the starters in this chart will give you a nice overview

>>22360780

That makes you—and this is the technical term—a pussy. Bitch, sissyphus, simp, cuckold, worm, paramecium, lowlife, detritus, etc. also apply.

If you're not grabbing the bull of being by the goring horns, then you are all these aforementioned things.

>>22360780 (OP)

That makes you—and this is the technical term—a pussy. Bitch, sissyphus, simp, cuckold, worm, paramecium, lowlife, detritus, etc. also apply.

If you're not grabbing the bull of being by its goring horns, then you are all these aforementioned things.

>>22366676
T. Guy who does not believe snakes can talk or donkeys can but sheepishly agrees because daddy feels so good to agree with

>>22366693
>>22366799
i think for your idea and necessity of grounding things down, "The Case for Christ" will be nice in grounding the ressurection in history.
Lewis will help with the more abstract theology.

and this other chart is also great. It all comes from understanding the Bible, first of all.
And oh, is that an inexhaustible source. I learn something new every day.

I think you should really look for something on Genesis by some of the church fathers. They'll expound on it in extreme depth.
try newadvent.org to find some, although you'll probably need to look elsewhere.

that said, i do not know of any single book that can cover everything. Basic apologetics like Lewis are a great first step, though.

>>22366811
T. Guy who knows whale throats have cue square law limitations and that blue whales cannot swallow men like the "virgin" mary can (ostensibly after the birth of Jesus when she gave birth to Jesus's siblings like James who wrote the Bible's book of James)
And also Pantera had a good time

>>22366811
the snake was being used by the devil. it was acting through the animal; in that case, he talked through it.

donkeys can if God makes them. God basically gave it the ability to speak for that time.

>>22366824
Cube*

>>22366799
I've read the Bible. I like it, it has some valuable nuggets of wisdom, interesting developments, haunting passages and so on. I just can't believe it is the word of god. I have no reason to believe it is, reading through the bible itself didn't convince me of it. I honest to god can't believe in the resurrection of christ, or the creation story, the story of job, that one dude who killed people with a donkey jawbone, that other dude who got power through his hair, guy getting swallowed by a whale, and so on. I literally understand them as fairy tales, not accounts of actual events because to me it is downright absurd, unbelievable.
Let's put it this way: I'm like the pharaoh, my heart is completely, unshakably hardened.
I'm gonna choose one of each from the beginner section and see what happens, but is there one book in particular that addresses simply not being convinced by the infallibility of the bible? Treating christianity the same way I treat islam, the jehova witnesses, the african mystery religions, and so on?

>>22366693
although i think i might've written a bad answer.
My proper suggestion would be going through the Bible, and instead of finding something weird and leaving it at that, looking for the explanation to it.
Preferably from more than one source (to not fall for some random bias), and if possible, by some theologian who'll explain it in depth.

You get a sense of correctness after you learn enough.

>>22366830
>that one dude who killed people with a donkey jawbone, that other dude who got power through his hair

>>22366826
Jesus was not the sole person to come back from the dead.
When Christendom encounters other cultures that have encounters from beyond the grave it inevitably destroys that knowledge and tradition in favor of its favorite resurrection as the sole instance despite being internally inconsistent with Lazarus and the long hair affeminacy sin. The idea is not the pure word of God but a political powerplay that theologians themselves choreographed sloppy together from Tertullian and Constantine out of your innate aggreable nature to nod and point and urge we accept your Daddy's authority over our own private attainments of mind, posession, and experience.

>>22366830
What about Noah's Ark? The absurd logistics of the Ark was one of the biggest deal-breakers for me.

>>22366830
>I'm like the pharaoh, my heart is completely, unshakably hardened.
he did that by choice, you can choose otherwise.

you kind of caught me here. i've come to my conclusions through sheer study.
what i've found that seems great is Warfield's "Inspiration and Authority of the Bible"
here's a pdf
>https://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/sdg/warfield/The_Inspiration_and_Authority_o_-_B_B_Warfield.pdf

as for the examples
>ressurection
Books on it in the chart, and it is literally the most well recorded fact of Antiquity. There are outside sources talking about Him too.

the rest are basically questioning miracles and other supernatural works. why do you see them as absurd and unbelievable?

>>22366841
There's just too many things to choose from when it comes to absurd unbelievable shit in the bible.
Hell, when I was a kid and people were telling me two of each fucking animal walked into the ark I don't think I ever thought of it as an actual event in human history.

>>22366833
I'll give you an example. I really wanted to know why jews had to be circumcised. I was really looking forward to the explanation and I was so fucking let down when the answer to that and a lot of other questions became "you can't understand God's mysterious ways"

>>22366854
COVID is the most well (((recorded))) "fact" of modernity

>>22366854
>And the LORD said unto Moses, Go in unto Pharaoh: for I have hardened his heart, and the heart of his servants, that I might shew these my signs before him: [20] But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, so that he would not let the children of Israel go.
Looking forward to the mental gymnastics.

Listen friend, I really am going to read through a 451 page long book on the infallibility of the bible and if it doesn't do the trick I'm just never bothering with engaging in arguments with another religious person ever again.

>the rest are basically questioning miracles and other supernatural works. why do you see them as absurd and unbelievable?
What reason do I have to believe the Bible is different to The Book of Mormon? I guess I'll find out soon enough. I don't believe in the supernatural at all, never experienced it, all stories I've heard turned out to be bullshit and shams, there's always a much more believable explanation, etcetera

>>22366857
>you can't understand God's mysterious ways
änd that's what i mean with several sources and preferably important theologians.
that sort of answer is some terrible attempt at dodging the question.
Keep looking.

As for the basics of it, it was an outward sign of the covenant made with Abraham.

>>22366888
What's the most satisfying answer you've found so far for the problem of evil?

>>22366873
Exodus 9:34
>When Pharaoh saw that the rain and hail and thunder had ceased, he sinned again and hardened his heart—he and his officials.

That last time was a penal "hardening". A punishment for his already hardening before.


I'd rather you looked further. Ask clergy (and several, to not fall for any messes), and especially what i say in >>22366888
look for good answers instead of just revolting at terrible ones.

>>22366902
Free will.
Choice logically requires the possibility of evil, but not its actuality.
To quote Genesis, there's the forbidden tree, but its fruit does not need to be eaten.

We've been misusing that free will, first before the Fall, disobeying God and acting in pride (see that the devil tempts Eve by saying she "will be like God", and that the devil's sin was pride also, wanting to be greater than God), and eating the forbidden fruit, and then in basically all of history.

Israel's history is a great example of our own lives. Going back and forth between devotion to God and giving into temptations. Ever since the fall our nature has also been marred by sin, and that in turn makes us unable to be perfect. That's why God, incarnate in Christ, keeps the covenants made with His people and sets a new one under Himself.
Our sin requires judgement, and Christ takes that upon Himself, that we may be purified.


As for the rest of the world, the same sin that marrs our nature took its toll on everything.
the word for sin is khata (in hebrew) and hamartia (in greek), both meaning "to miss the mark". In missing the goal, which was perfect good, according to God's will (who is omnibenevolent, therefore His will is perfect good), the consequences of that are the falling apart of our bodies and of the world around us.

take a look at
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNOZ7ocLD74
and the rest of the "bad word" studies. Careful with the rest, the fellows at Bible Project err in a lot of theology.

>>22366888
>important theologians
>trust the experts goyim
Ah yes 5th rank gold star top brass kosher cocksucker one blow job coming right up at your service
Thank Israel for God
I mean uh that backwards
Sorry Agustine you shoulda done the Plato homework with Aquinas and slapped every IQlet dummy beneath that standard into rote empire

>>22366929
>gibberish with namedropping attacks
very precise.

To use the opportunity to explain, i say that because the first theologians (church fathers) often have entire treatises on such topics, and explain them to exhaustion; meanwhile, modern "scholars" will dodge questions mentioning God's 'mysterious ways' and relativize Scripture.

Test

>>22366766
Yet, you can't see the pure selfishness of it? Bringing a child into this chaotic descending world?

>>22360780
I can’t get laid therefore no one should have children

>>22366926
How can I know I am sinning out of my own accord and not because god is making me do it?
How can free will be compatible with an omnipotent and omniscient God?
All the people who are burning in hell right now were always meant to burn in hell from the moment they were born, from the moment adam and eve stepped out of the garden of eden, from the moment god said "let there be light" he already knew what would happen. It's like watching a movie, the characters "make choices" but no matter how many times you watch the movie those are the only choices that are made and are only a surprise to you as the viewer and not as a creator.

>>22366926
>>22366953
Also, free will does not explain natural disasters, sicknesses and chinese factory rekt threads on gif.
What do you say when your kid gets cancer just because?

>>22366953
>How can I know I am sinning out of my own accord and not because god is making me do it?
Because His plan for you is perfection. If it was completely set and predestined, we'd still be in the garden.
Or, contemporarily, you'd be a saint.

>how can it be compatible
Because in regards to omnipotence, He gives us agency as free beings.
In regards to omniscience, prescience does not equal predestination.
God knows what we'll do because He isn't limited by time; the movie example is incorrect.
God isn't watching a line of set events from a point in the present, He is in the entirety of time.
God knows everything because He is at every moment of that and witnesses you choose. And in all of those points you are making the choice of your own accord.

>>22366965
It does. read the last paragraph again.
sin did not only taint us, but the world.
it was through sin that death entered the world.
Through it that we were made mortal. through it that all evil of the world spewed forth.

>>22366988
also, on creation, check out >>22362842 thread

I'm going to be real with y'all for a sec here
No book has ever convinced me to become a pessimist, I became a pessimist because of my life experiences
I was bullied in high school, rejected by my crush, my parents divorced, graduated from uni in a field I couldn't care less about, can't find a job and live a bleak and monotonous life with no friends or gf
I've previously read some Schopenhauer, Nietzsche and Cioran, currently reading Celine's Journey to the End of the Night in order to validate my pre-existent beliefs
Now I can say that smart people agree with my views that life is shit in general and it's not just my personal experiences

>>22366988
Reading through these replies is both tiresome and annoying. It always comes down to these insipid exchanges that rely on faith or the lack thereof. I know we could keep going all night long and I will still not believe it and you will still believe it no matter what either of us say. Not even the people still reading the replies in this thread will be moved or changed because they are already backing their own horses in this dumbass race.
So I'm just gonna read some of those books you recommended, come to my own conclusions (which of course means I will still not believe it because that's just how it is), and never reply to another god damn christian in this fucking board ever again.

>>22367007
there is literally nothing besides pure logic on the reply you quoted. what there hinges on faith?
i'm just discussing God's attributes.

>never replying on this board
You should ask priests instead. as many as you can, and disregard the ones who cannot muster an answer.
Someone will have the theological baggage to answer.

>>22367018
or, alternatively, get that baggage yourself.
look for answers to questions and doubts instead of being irate at a bad one you found somewhere and leaving it at that.

Funny how Abrahamics argue God against pessimism, when one of their earlier religious writings, Book of Job(the original one and not the latter corrupted ones), is literally an argument for pessimism.

>>22367018
You know what talking to you (or any christian) feels like? Like sitting through a 4 hours long video where someone uses facts and logic to prove why SSJ4 Goku could beat Earth-30 Superman.

>>22367034
deal with that hate then.
you seem to want answers but to also hate going after them.
that'll lead nowhere.

>>22367034
oh, and not to forget that you've not engaged with any of my posts.
it's all the samey spiel about faith and whatnot, that was especially jarring in a post that didn't mention it at all.

you read like a bot going through an ad hominem routine.

I feel like Mozart was a pretty chill dude. How can one not feel jocular, levitating, after listening to his symphonies?

>>22361444
Dad is unironically right. It is enjoyable to have experiences with your loved ones. Kids are adorable and there can be good family dynamics.

>>22365938
Oh fuck off. These threads have been on repeat for years.

>>22367088
They should just get a dog instead then.

>>22367092
Nah, I have been here for more than a decade and that anon is right, there was time when anything anti-religious or against procreation would get immediately deleted, though it has changed recently. I suspect change of mods.

>>22367119
This is pretty much the opposite of what that anon said

>>22367137
How so?

>>22361444
I feel deeply sorry for your parents and indeed for your pitiable self pitying ass
>Inb4 fuck off normalfag
Humans deserve to be wiped out and burn in hell but mainly because rot like this is possible

>>22364550
Ignore the other coping faggots, you're 100% right and I've perceived this exact dynamic in my self-reflection.
However, we live in a time of social decay and climate disaster, which means I've simply been proven right yet again and am permanently liberated from social responsibility.
This has allowed me to enjoy things again

Y'know that reddit trope about how "humans are the universe perceiving itself"?
Well, pessimists are this satanic society perceiving itself. They are the superorganism's organs of awareness and conscience.

>>22367155
>W-WHAT, YOU THINK LIFE SUCKS AND IT SHOUDN'T PROPAGATE
>HUMANITY DESERVES TO BE WIPED OUT AND SUFFER ENDLESSLY IN HELL FOR THINKING THIS WAY
There is no way this post isn't bait. You can't even see the hypocrisy and irony of your post. Guess we want the same thing, only that I don't believe in exustence of hell.

>>22367168
>coping
You are the ones coping.
>This has allowed me to enjoy things again
Cope right here.

>>22367193
Yes you cretin, we believe the same thing except you're a worthless self pitying rat fuck. No, I won't correct your retard re-phrasing, it's still true even on that level.
You should resent your parents for not burning down local property and raping their neighbors to death - not because they had (you), a decision which is several levels of hapless ignorance deep on their part. It is not wrong for a normalfag to make a benign normalfag decision with the best of intentions though blind. It is simply wrong for them to exist as-such in general considering the throngs of happy families that have managed to cultivate suicides.
In particular though, you don't need to believe in hell, you are experiencing hell right this instant. And you will return there after you die. In that way, you who seeks to have never been born will never die.

>>22367197
I don't know what the first part is referring to.
>Cope right here.
An unconscious cope may still be a cope, but it dawned on me as though deliverance or revelation. Therefore, you can accuse me of cope; even accuse me correctly; and it will not matter.
I don't care. It's just a brute fact to me now.

>>22367087
What if you listen to symphony 40? Also what does that have to do with anything?

>>22365893
>if I don't make offspring I fail
No you don't because there is no fail state. You don't exist to do anything, you're just genetically predispositioned to want to reproduce. That's like saying a fatso is failing at life if he doesn't eat like he wants to. Reason can absolutely change your wants and needs. Tesla didn't have kids because he didn't want them. Lovecraft had to be coerced into having sex.

Even if you ignore all those facts and try to go by the angle of "reproduction is the only thing that matters at the end of the day, and everything else is a stepping stone to that," we know that isn't the case as well, and there are many gene spreading strategies which involve aiding your immediate family instead of having kids yourself. This is the reason why old people are kept around despite not being able to procreate anymore.

>>22360780
If you didn't learn about the Jews your eyes are still closed.

>>22361718
That is a breddy nice cover. I will read it.

>>22367230
So, you resent "might is right" but believe it to be true, therefore everyone particularly weak should suffer?

>>22367179
To put it simply, pessimists are conscious of being conscious, aware of being aware, and they can't transcend this meta-awareness. In contrast to pro lifers they have been 'out of it', they have experienced the other side of normal everyday experience, and they are unable to climb out of this crack. That has nothing to do with intelligence or higher truth, it's rather a mode of experience that has sucked you in. It's a dissociation from usual experience over extended periods of time, and at some point there's (almost) no coming back. I say almost because life conditions can change in such a way that real change can occur, but that is mostly due to a matter of luck.

>>22367033
>Abrahamics argue God against pessimism,
false

>>22367662
So, they are for/nuetral to pessimism? Doesn't seem like it when you talk to them? Considering they call life a precious gift from God.

>>22361670
>But global poverty, senescence, and pain of all kinds are steadily waning
Lmao.

>>22367335
>Muh Jews
Irrelevant on cosmic level.

>>22365893
Wait. Hamsuke got fucked by male?