/lit/ - Literature

>>22357585
After nukes and heavily referential with metacommentary

Reddit/Twatter: the bumper sticker

>>22357599
So what are the books that are heavily referential with metacommentary before nukes considered?

And what's an example of Pynchon being heavily referential with metacommentary? Please don't just say a book title.

>>22357604
You are asking for a book title.

>>22357611
I'm asking for an excerpt. Sentence, paragraph, whatever. My guess is no one knows what they're talking about lmao.

>>22357585
The style. As far as content goes, I’m still not 100% sure what postmodern means. It’s all vague

>>22357614
What about the style?

>>22357604
Precursors to postmodernism. Examples would be Tristram Shandy and Sartor Resartus. Some early ones near the modern period are debated because nuclear warheads had not been made yet, but even those will contain criticisms of modernist sciences, for example At Swim Two Birds.
>>22357604
>And what's an example of Pynchon being heavily referential with metacommentary? Please don't just say a book title.
Homework board is this way >>>/hm/

>>22357620
>lists shit everyone knows
I asked what they're called.
>can't back up a single thing
You're not too bright or well read I see. Also, the reading comprehension thing (see above). Stop posing. Stop fighting the night thoughts and just kys.

>>22357635
>asked what they're called.
Precursors to postmodernism, retard. Try reading the first three words next time.

>>22357585
"postmodernism" is fake

Pynchon is a modernist

simple as, anon

>>22357700
Not really

>>22357604
wth even is metacommentary

>>22357730
Dear Reader
Pls suck a dick, there's brain juice in there you need to continue.
t. Anon

>>22357585
His critique of society

What is it about bumper stickers that makes midwits seethe so hard?

60s+ generation American black-humorist maximalism, basically

>>22357828
>black

>>22357585
Modernist literature is relatively identifiable, and one of the things that makes it easier to identify is that modernist works tend to have more distinct relations to the very clear and explicit ideologies which were present at the time. The philosophical relationships between works of art and broader cultural events was clear. With World War II, this clarity starts to disappear. Without such clear indications of an artistic works 'stance' so to speak, it has been more difficult for clear trends to be identified and named. Moreover, critics themselves were very interested in classification during the modernist period, and have not been so interested in it since the definitive modern period. Postmodernism, then, is really just an easy way to refer to any contemporary work that does not seem to fit easily into the general understanding of modernist works. However, metamodernism is probably a better word; it is almost a transliteration, but suggests that the works we call postmodernism are still really within the scope of modernism and engaging with the same themes and ideas, but just in a decadent stage, the same way that mannerism is really just late renaissance.

>>22357687
You subhuman mutt that's a description not a name. Also a completely useless & unenlightening description. The problem is: muh precursors are the same, often even more postmoderny than the drivel that limped its way out of uni creative writing programs. You can close the browser now, retard. Not further input is required from your dumb ass.

>>22357730
he probably meant autocommentary

>>22357873
Postmodernism generally criticizes modernism. The reason you see similarities is because postmodernism often satirises modernist thought or style. It's post- because it can only happen once there is a modernism to criticize, which is why works which do similar things before modernism are not considered postmodern. Metamodernism would exclude any developments beyond those in modernism, which is really gives modernism far more credit than its due, as postmodernists are wont to incorporate movements previous to modernism in much the same way.

>>22357794
lmao what's on your subaru

>>22357931
>Also a completely useless & unenlightening description
It's useful so long as your academic structure comes from the enlightenment, but for purely fart sniffing reasons among friends you might find it lacking, yes.

>>22357937
huh

>>22357936
Postmodernism isn't limited to autocommentary, though it often uses it as a metacommentary.

>>22357585
Being unreadable.

>>22357944
Modernism only their best frenemy, not their only frenemies.

>>22357946
provide some examples please or I can write you off as not knowing what you're talking about at all

>>22357585
>>22357931
NTA but i think you may be retarded in the clinical sense. pynchon is a postmodernist because his novels are a reaction to modernism. how is this a question?

>>22358014
You can write me off as not spoonfeeding you :^) if you're familiar with the corpus then you should be able to see how another would support it.