/lit/ - Literature

>>22252432
There was never any competition between them.

>>22252432
He's boring, irrelevant, and doesn't have any interesting ideas. He also seems like a pussy.

>>22252439
McCarthy does have that effect on readers

>>22252441
Son of a...

>>22252432
Most of Faulker’s work is kind of irrelevant because the South he was writing in no longer exists he’s culturally irrelevant and only still read because of his reputation. Cormac will unironically have more staying power.

>>22252490
Are bounty hunters still hunting down natives for their scalps where you come from?

>>22252490
Cormac’s 1800s Texas/Mexico also doesn’t exist anymore. Or 1980s Texas. Or 1970s Appalachia. Or 1950s Tennessee. It’s retarded to think that means anything.

>>22252614
another filtered plotfag. Its about violence and materialist categorization of nature, not just scalping Mexicans. You think war is going to become irrelevant?

>>22252620
see >>22252623

>>22252623
>materialist categorization of nature

>>22252623
Shut up pussy. Shut the hell up.

>>22252490
totally correct but people will seethe. most literature is forgotten because these writers were overrated from the start

>>22252623
This is what you said:
> Faulker’s work is kind of irrelevant because the South he was writing in no longer exists
But for some reason you don’t apply the same retarded logic to Cormac. You think Faulkner is just his settings? His work deals with issues of life and death. There’s nothing more eternal.

>>22252636
Ah, yes. Cormac McCarthy the underrated indie gem that no one know.

>>22252641
that wasnt me

>>22252641
and also that's a fair point and I considered it before posting, but posted it anyway because I haven't ever actually read Faulkner and dont mind making people seethe.

>>22252653
You (You)’d me here >>22252625 like I had said something about plot. I was talking about setting. Learn how to use 4chan, kid.

>>22252659
There’s lots of Redditors here who love Cormac vs a few patricians who love Faulkner. Most faggots here would be on your side.

28 pages in Sound and the Fury and I'm already getting filtered. Is it over for me?

>>22252662
because you are focusing on setting and plot and not the themes. So I referred you to my comment.

>>22252667
The first chapter takes place in the mind of a mentally retarded man who daydreams of memories from 2 different stages in his life. That should make it easier to understand that’s going on.

>>22252672
and what I was getting at are Cormac themes are eternal, regardless of setting. I haven't read Faulkner and don't plan on it because he doesn't have any eternal themes. saying 'le life and death' is the theme is a cheap cop out.

>>22252667
The first section and most of the second section will filter everyone on a first read. The second section is where a reader can start to make connections and form a coherent narrative. The third and fourth sections are much clearer and allow the reader to fill in the rest. It is a book that is best reread as the first couple sections won’t make much sense until you know the rest

>>22252666
I do targeted precision shitposting. I know how to bait a hook mate.

>>22252681
> and what I was getting at are Cormac themes are eternal, regardless of setting
So are Faulkner’s themes.
> setting. I haven't read Faulkner and don't plan on it because he doesn't have any eternal themes
He does. And I know that because I have actually read him. Unlike you who judges books you havent read.
> saying 'le life and death' is the theme is a cheap cop out.
So? Saying Cormac is about “violence” is just a generic observation.

>>22252699
mmm, no.

>>22252710
Yes

>>22252626
>that which exists without my knowledge exists without my consent

>>22252626
what are you laughing at bitch? I'm right. He got the idea from the cetology chapters in Moby Dick. Cormac is a materialist to the core, which is why he spent his last years at the Sante Fe institute. HE was making comparisons throughout the entire books between science and violence

>>22252715
doch

I always considered Faulkner an inferior Joyce not an inferior McCarthy.

Cormac sounds more retarded than I expected.

>>22252432
Yah? So is a 4/10 deflated croissant, whats your point?

>>22252689
>I know how to bait a hook mate
My God, you're embarrassing. Last decade you would've been bragging about your trolling skills in youtube comments sections.
>inb4 t-that was bait too
Wasn't there a rule you retards always had? Something like, 'never admit your own trolling'.

>>22252724
Faulkner and Joyce are in no ways similar, unless you consider it enough to say that they're similar because they both write stream of consciousness stories, which is about as ridiculous as saying Shakespeare is similar to Calderón because they both write plays.

>>22252432
I hear Cormac aborted christian women to eat their foetuses, so yeah, Faulkner was a better human being. On the other hand Cormac's writing is far superior to Faulkner's. Both are very important though to the minor English language tradition. They're no PG Wodehouse though.

>>22252641
Yeah Faulkner transcends the setting, its what cormac didn't go as good a job at but no disrespect to cormac, he's just more rooted in reality kek

>>22252667
Just trudge through benji, once you're on the other side you'll be a converted Faulkner dickrider

>>22252839
I play by my own rules, you are programmed like an NPC (non-playable character). You are a puppet, I'm Neo.

>>22252667
It gets easier.

>>22252681
>I haven't read Faulkner and don't plan on it because he doesn't have any eternal themes.
have you listened to his nobel speech? I think cormac would wholly disagree

>>22253266
link it bitte

>>22252490
The Faulk was very prolific

>>22252681
>haven't read

>>22252641
If you read Faulkner’s work all the themes are in some way related to the south of the post war. In Cormac’s books it just happens to be set there, except for the orchard keeper. All those other guys aren’t me btw.

>>22253381
oh god stop I'll read it ok!

>>22252432
McCarthy is thrice the writer than Cuckner ever was.

>>22252432
faulkner is thrice the writer than McCuckery ever was

>>22252490
Maybe to people outside the South. Anyone that has any kind of Southern heritage still feels the weight of Faulkner's writing. It's why people like Nabokov never understood him.

>>22254122
I’m literally a zoomer from the south. I understand it but I don’t care about it.

>>22254132
You simply have faggot yankee genes

>>22254115
Insecure cuckner fuck. Your slimy kind made this thread.

>>22253080
>PG Wodehouse
Who the fuck is that?

>>22252844
Stream-of-consciousness is a much more specific, niche trope of writing than the broad genre of playwriting is, so the comparison you make isn’t that good.

Faulkner’s most well-known and lauded books, AiLD and TSaTF, would not at all have been what they were like without Ulysses having been written about 7-8 years before and Faulkner having been incredibly impressed and influenced by it.

It’s not just stream-of-consciousness, but SoC being used with multiple narrators to create a polyphonic effect, wildly different styles, characterizations, registers, and levels of intelligence in the different narrators thereof further contributing to this kaleidoscopic effect, the heavy psychologism (especially influenced by Freud), the frequent allusions to and parallels created with Ancient Greek mythology and Shakespeare, as well as the desire to encyclopedically encapsulate a very specific region of the world they were both tied to, from the politics to the psychology of its inhabitants (Dublin/Ireland at large for Joyce, Faulkner’s fictional Yoknapatawpha County, Mississippi as a microcosm of the Deep South).

>James Joyce was one of the—the great men of my time. He was electrocuted by the divine fire. He, Thomas Mann were the—the great writers of my time. He was probably—might have been the greatest, but he was electrocuted. He had more talent than he could control.

I think even Faulkner wouldn’t have objected to this characterization. Even famously pompous Nabokov admitted his own writing was “patball” compared to Joyce’s “champion game of tennis.” They’re all still great writers.

>>22252666
>faggots have better taste than you

>>22252432
>John said:
>george said:
>John said:
>Mary said:
>John said:
>George said:
repeat 10 times

>>22252720
Oh. You don't know what materialism is. I get it. Just know that materialism as a philosophical system is dogmatic and retarded

>>22252432
Oh wow. You’re telling me this for the first time.

>>22252716
What does that have to do with matetialism?

>>22252720
>>22252626
Blood Meridian certainly is (in part) ABOUT the materialist categorization of nature through the Judge’s scientific exploits, but the character is not the author. McCarthy himself seems reticently religious, not overtly talking about it much, but spiritual and mystical imagery repeatedly shows up in his works, even if in an inverted, dark, or apocalyptic fashion, as well as nods to Christian mysticism like the epigraph by Boehme.

McCarthy being interested in science in no way precludes him being religious … I think in an interview he reticently admitted to “sometimes believing in God depending on the day you ask me.”

>>22252490
The South he was writing about didn’t exist even in Faulkner’s time. That’s the point.