/lit/ - Literature

>>22127730
Schizo rambling? In the Bible?

>>22127798
yeah, but (most) of the books of the bible at least have a coherent narrative or message, and were at least written by fluent (if not native) speakers of the language they were written in.

>>22128030
Are you referring to the bible (jewish) or the old testament (xstian)? It's easy to see why for both accounts.

Name one (1) book that isn‘t just schizo rambling?
(Non-fiction on actual topics like how to fix a bike do not count)

>>22128043
The cat in the hat

>>22128073
Peak schizo.

>>22127730
>>22128030
The Book of Apocalypse is the greatest book in the Bible. It’s beyond kino. It predicts so much of what is happening in our time and where our world is heading.

> 1 And I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten diadems, and upon his heads names of blasphemy. 2 And the beast, which I saw, was like to a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave him his own strength, and great power. 3 And I saw one of his heads as it were slain to death: and his death's wound was healed. And all the earth was in admiration after the beast. 4 And they adored the dragon, which gave power to the beast: and they adored the beast, saying: Who is like to the beast? and who shall be able to fight with him? 5 And there was given to him a mouth speaking great things, and blasphemies: and power was given to him to do two and forty months.

>6 And he opened his mouth unto blasphemies against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them. And power was given him over every tribe, and people, and tongue, and nation. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth adored him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb, which was slain from the beginning of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that shall lead into captivity, shall go into captivity: he that shall kill by the sword, must be killed by the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

>16 And he shall make all, both little and great, rich and poor, freemen and bondmen, to have a character in their right hand, or on their foreheads. 17 And that no man might buy or sell, but he that hath the character, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. He that hath understanding, let him count the number of the beast. For it is the number of a man: and the number of him is six hundred sixty-six.


How do you not get goosebumps reading that?

>>22128089
>predicts so much of what is happening in our time and where our world is heading
Anon pls

>>22128092
Listen to this metal rendition of it:
https://thealexjonesprisonplanet.bandcamp.com/track/image-of-the-beast-erased-forever

>>22128106
UuUuUUUuu scawy

>>22128116
Femoid detected my gf texts exactly like you

>>22128127
That was my imitation of a tranny. Maybe stop dating a ladyboy anon.

>>22128089
This sounds like a toddler wrote it in the original greek.

>>22128175
Do you read Koine Greek?

>>22128078
What's schizo about that?

>>22128089
damn i remember when this happened

>>22127730
They needed 66 books for numerological and qabalistic purposes. The number 6 is a "perfect" number which equals the sum of all its divisors (1, 2 and 3).
Yes, the church fathers really did think about this stuff.

>>22128175
That makes it better. Let me guess though, you think good grammar is indicative of quality content?

>>22128840
Yes. Also, "quality" is a noun.

>>22127730
>Actually St John, my understanding of 1st century Greek is far superior

>>22129647
The author of John clearly didn't write revelation. The gospel is written in a pretty high register, whereas revelation is written very poorly, with straight up grammatical mistakes and weird syntax that are found nowhere in the gospel.

>>22127730
>he didn't get the metaphors and prophecies and probably didn't get any of the OT prophets too
come on, op.

>>22128821
Didn't the ancient canon include more than 66 books though? The catholic and orthodox churches still do.

>>22130441
>with straight up grammatical mistakes
examples? use your own words, not a 20k word article

>>22127730
It sounds cool in a chuuni way.

>>22131208
In English please?

>>22130441
Maye you'd have been pretty shaken up too, after enduring a despairing vision of absolutely everything coming to its end. Go ask a rape victim to write a narrative retelling their rape to see how that works out. John went through some relentless mindfucking, I don't think anyone else would've been able to write about it afterwards.

Read it as an allegory for the liturgy. Dr Scott Hahn’s book “The lamb’s supper” covers this pretty well, but this reading can be seen in a lot of the early Christian writers

>>22127730
>Schizo ramblings
>Untrue
Triple F for OP false filtered faggotry

>>22127730
Not literature

>>22127730
>how the hell did it become canon
I remember reading that they just misunderstood who the author was when originally including it and never bothered admitting their mistake.

>>22128030
It is pretty funny that some of the arguments against Christianity were people basically mocking the Greek used in the New Testament. It was considered low quality Greek writing except Gospel of John if I am not mistaken.

It’s very much in the style of books of visions in the Old Testament. You would immediately note it is meant to be of this genre if you had read the whole OT

>>22130791
Well for starters he misuses articles all the time, which is to be expected of a Semitic speaker as Greek and the Semitic creole spoken in the Levant. Secondly, he's constantly screwing up gender because, again, his native tongue did the Afro-Asiatic thing where adjectives and nouns are differentiated by gender, unlike in IE languages where they agree. Thirdly, he frequently screws up Greek cases, such as Rev 1:4 where every noun is in the nominative case. Other times he doesn't put adjectives in the right case. He'll also often list things in the wrong cases (when listing direct objects there will be one that's in the nominative or genitive, for example). Fourthly, he screws up gender and number a lot, unsurprisingly because Greek's usage of gender and number is different from the Semitic creole's. Fifthly, he greatly overuses σὺν, frequently using it as a calque of אֶת, which in Hebrew is a nota accusativi, and even then he gets the case wrong (The only way to render this in English would be writing something like "He hit him" as "He hit through of his".

I'm not sure why you didn't just Google this, it's a well understood phenomena going back to and discussed by the Church Fathers. There was even a movement of correcting and editing Revelation for both style and content because it's just unreadably bad. The KJV was based on these corrections btw.

Stylistically, a lot of these flaws indicate that John of Patmos, and the whole "Johannine Community", was an offshoot of an early Jewish apocalyptic movement that wrote in (bad) Greek. They even put their works into hexameters and used (bad) Homeric allusions (like comparing David, who will come back and overthrow the satanic nazi ptolemy pharaoh in a manner much similar to that of a mountain lion any day now, to a mountain lion). The errors come up because they were calquing Hebrew, a very low status language, into Greek, a very high status language, without ever actually checking with a native speaker if they were doing it right. The movement started around the time of the Ptolemaic conquest of Israel, and it just segued into Christianity when it came along.

>>22132720
>a book
>not literature

>And the four living creatures, each of them with six wings, are full of eyes all around and inside. Day and night without ceasing they sing,
>Holy, holy, holy, the Lord God the Almighty, who was and is and is to come.

>>22132007
It sounds cool for your inner edgy 12-year old who was into angels and demons and stuff.

>>22133327
based effortpost. I kneel

>>22128089
>How do you not get goosebumps reading that?
Because I don't care about a jew seething that the Roman Emperor didn't give a shit about their canaanite ramblings

>>22128840
>you think good grammar is indicative of quality content?
You don't?

>>22128840
This is Jewish literature, anon. It's not meant to astound you with beauty like Homer or the Eddas or something, it's meant to convey literal information. John of Patmos was barely literate, and given how bad his grammar and syntax were we have no idea if his vocabulary was just as bad or not, meaning that we cannot actually tell what he was even trying to convey. The fact that you as a gentile are even viewing this text as authoritative, despite John of Patmos and the entire community that he was part of believing that you as a gentile were a soulless automata forsaken by Jesus, speaks to a critical failing in the text's author's language.

>oh yeah? well if john of patmos was so shit at greek we can't tell that he didnt like gentiles!
Then the text is so bad that we can't even discern basic facets of the author's worldview.