/lit/ - Literature

>posted on a site made possible by capitalism

And how many people have to die this time?

>>22097243
1 billion

>>22096960
>if we write more books about how it SHOULD work, then surely it won't fail again?

What is utopian about a large society of millions of people with no real connection to each other and everyone having to pretend that he likes everyone and considers him equal to himself, by enforcement of the law? Why would anyone sane in his mind want to live in such a society?

>>22096960
It offers an alternative monetary system that’s more conducive for equality. It compromises capitalism. But state socialists don’t know how else to implement it that to have global wide military coups.

>>22097224
The ARPA net, government funded research, made the internet possible. By all accounts the internet was better before its corporate capture. The kerfuffle over shareware music and movie files, the “dark web”, the recent fights with the FCC trying to gift it corporations etc. The internet exists despite capitalism

>>22097243
No one need die. Why then would the wealthy hire dumb guys with guns to shoot at people who don’t want to live in slums? And why would you support the dumb guys with guns? Why do you lick wealthy shit head’s boots so much?

>>22097257
As long the USA still around, it will be impossible to have a good functional socialist country, in the first world country, of course, third world are to low IQ to have a functional society.

>>22096960
I am going to have to start hiding threads on this board too, I guess. All fields.

>>22097247
You don’t know what books are for. Why are you here?

>>22097256
Current America is pretty bad isn’t it? Why not try something new, like the book suggests?

Communism didn't fail because it's goal of making a society where everyone is equal was aiming too high. The failure of Communism was the attempt of making a sustainable coexistence of completely different people and thinking that it will never come to any disagreements between them. There was two communist empires in the 20th Century: they both collapsed because of ethnic conflicts arising between the unified nations after barely one generation if not less.

>>22097266
Back to Infinite Jest, anon. Someday you’ll get through it

>>22097271
Why are you pretending that I never read about socialism, that I never read political treatises, that I never read das Kapital?

>>22096960
“Boot licker” is one word.

>>22097264
Because those "people who don't want to live in slums" want to rob and murder me. Why would I support people who want to kill me and steal my wealth instead of the people who protect me?

Name one positive thing socialism has to offer me.

>>22097278
Who are you even? Which post did you leave and why do you not understand what I posted?

>>22097298
No, they don’t. You imagine the riots the state will likely kick off (like last time) true there is a desperation in poverty that triggers this. So why do you want to keep this world like this? Why not eliminate poverty? No one would riot or steal in such a world. Wake up.
State socialism doesn’t offer this, btw. It’s been a fraud. Fully Democratic communes, self governance.

>>22097314
Current America has a problem but it's not capitalism, as seducing as this assumption might seem. Look at the map. America is huge. It has a population of hundreds of millions. Do you think all those people have the same needs, the same instincts, the same culture? The number of ethnicities that has entered and is entering the country is immeasurable even if we considered their European settlers alone. Are the Amish, the Natives part of the American society at all or are they only arranged to it amicably while leading a completely different lifestyle on their own? And those are only the most extreme cases. Implementing communism in America would mean more than a mere decline of it's economy and the potential loss of it's relations with the other nations of the world; it would, most probably, result in the complete collapse of this society that has already catched a little covid within a generation or less.

>>22097334
State-capitalism is how we should think of it. The beast and it’s blood are inseparable. To try to slay one without the other is impossible.

Those people have the same general needs, yes.
Immigration is only a problem because of capitalism.
The “economy” currently measured at the stock market is not the American economy.
The implementation of actual communism, with labor vouchers or full on free economy, would be a RADICAL departure from what we saw in the Soviet Union and other state socialist nationstates. Quality of life indexes would improve exponentially with the capitalist boot off our collective necks.
Becoming communist would encourage other nationstates to follow and would end the threat of war, which looms everywhere and always under capitalism. Since the start of the Ukraine war we have been under a threat of nuclear war. All this for MICs greedy intentions we don’t pursue peace talks.
What you call the collapse of society is The Revolution made good this time. This thing we’ve been trying to have since 1776.

Do we really need so many communist propagandists posting on /lit/? Wouldn't they find better luck in >>>/lgbt/?

>>22097442
> The beast and it’s blood are inseparable. To try to slay one without the other is impossible
Shizo babble.
> Those people have the same general needs, yes.
Ahh yes. A Mexican eats the same as someone from New England. A rapper wears the same clothes as a Californian. Actually, everyone consumes the exact same products.
> The implementation of actual communism, with labor vouchers or full on free economy, would be a RADICAL departure from what we saw in the Soviet Union and other state socialist nationstates
So what about the people who don't want to live like that? Should they be forced to participate in communist society? How will naysayers be delt with?
> Becoming communist would encourage other nationstates to follow and would end the threat of war
The implementation of communism will encourage other nations to turn their back to America and potentially give one or the other nation the courage of invading the state. Why do you think the threat of war is ever going to end reasonably within the next few centuries? Are you retarded?
> What you call the collapse of society is The Revolution made good this time. This thing we’ve been trying to have since 1776
A society founded on the blood of millions. Haiti tier, no wonder Europe nowadays is so degenerate.

>>22097271
Lmao THAT was your retort? Christ you're stupid

>>22099168
Well when you're as out of your element as you are, not much can be gleaned

>>22097257
On another hand the internet wouldn't be what it is without capitalism. No PHP, no JavaScript and so on and so forth.

>>22097265
U mad?

>>22097314
>You imagine the riots the state will likely kick off (like last time) true there is a desperation in poverty that triggers this.
tldr - yes, we want to kill you and take your stuff
>So why do you want to keep this world like this? Why not eliminate poverty? No one would riot or steal in such a world
tldr - ends always support the means. sorry, not sorry

>>22097469
>Shizo
Metaphor, dipshit. A schizophrenic would believe in a literal beast.
>ah yes, Mexicans eat like new Englanders. Rapers wear clothes like Californians
Uh-hu.
>consumes the exact same products
Are you worried about funko pops?
>what about the people who still want to live in a world of war and poverty etc.?
There are two types. 1. They’re fools and ignorant of the potential power in their hands, and 2. They’re the absurdly wealthy pedophiles who are the enemies of all that is sane. One concerns me, the other does not. One would and should help, one will have to step aside and hope to avoid revenge.
>naysayers
Direct democracy. Self governance
>invasion
China isn’t the US. Mexico isn’t the US. Canada isn’t the US. Do you think North Korea or Cuba would invade the US? Stop to think about it these questions you come up, trying to make excuses for your wealthy pedophile warm-mongers. The US draws inward, more self sufficient than we’ve been since the 1800s, still need trading internationally, but closing most and maybe later all of its foreign bases. The US, still in possession of a huge nuclear arsenal, and you’re afraid the Iranian navy is going to come over here?
Real talk. The world would breathe a sigh of relief knowing the people are in control of their country again. The people’s of the other nations would want to join us.
>why believe the threat of war can be ended
Only the willful dissolving of the state can end it. It will indeed end it. It exists only to support nationstates.
Your last statement makes no sense. I assume you fainted there.

>>22099379
>no Zuckerburg! No YouTube commercial revenues!
Aww, now you’re going to faint.

>>22099429
People without anything now are desperate. Get everyone what they need and the crime vanishes like magic.
But you don’t want crime to stop. You enjoy looking down on people, hating dark people. That’s you, isn’t it.

Without all the stuff Google, Facebook and especially Microsoft have made to the web it would still probably be the document database it was designed to be.

>This kills the communist

>>22099247
>doubling down

>>22096960
Women don't sleep with me and the market is falling every 10 years , this is clearly the fault of gommunism

>>22099631
>Bill Gates made the internet what it is today!!
>No one else would have done the same. He’s such an inventive pioneer programmer. So smart! Look at those glasses!
You idiot

>>22100812
Not him, but whoever made typescript deserves a raise. It's really quite funny that people associate MS with gates when balmer is the one who made MS into what it is today. Aside from that MS is also the only reason that x86 isn't dead and will probably never be, and thanks to that I can use Linux.

>>22100834
They associate him and them because he’s making the most money off of it all.
The technological advances didn’t happen because of rich people, but despite them. The motivation to make money isn’t the best of drivers. The cure for cancer research for instance is held back because there’s more money in treating the sick till they die.

>>22100895
Without resources stuff can't be made, capitalists provide said resources while also making sure that:
>The product can be made at a reasonable price and scale
>The product doesn't get stuck in eternal prototyping

Btw the "cure for cancer" doesn't exists because there are about as many types of cancers as there are cell types in your body. There's stuff like sipuleucel-T (Used to treat prostate cancer, developed by a corporation), but it's called a vaccine. Also if it was more profitable to treat people until they die they wouldn't try to cut the cunt out as first course of action. The actual truth is that the first guy to figure out panacea for cancer is going to win every penny there is in oncology while the competition would be left out to dry.

>>22100926
Capitalists don’t make anything. A reasonable price is the time and resources a worker, designer, engineer, puts into it. That’s its real price and the benefits need not tax another soul. That’s reality without a capitalist lens filtering it.

I know the complexity of cancer and I know firsthand what the medical industrial complex treats it with, and it’s barbaric nonsense.

>>22100956
Where does the capital to sustain the time and resources a worker, designer, engineer puts into it come from you dumb fuck.

>>22097257
>It offers an alternative monetary system that’s more conducive for equality
We aren't equal. You will subsidize the lazy and manipulative with the stolen labor of the efficient and hardworking. Over time, it will be more advantageous to be the former, thus the population will drift towards them becoming more prolific until the system collapses in a bloody mess.

>>22096960
You must be 18+ to post here

>>22100970
Where does the capital? The money in a moneyless world, come from?
In a free economy it is just the resources and time put into it. The motivation in such a world is kindness, love for one another and the world we inhabit. It is a return to natural living. We used to live like this before slavers established their empires

>>22100956
There's also the material cost and opportunity cost. Materials are scarce and there's the question of what is more important and what will serve more people. Money signals that. For instance if someone makes a cure for testicular cancer (quite rare and can be treated at home if you're determined enough) but it requires rare chemicals used by fertilisers, takes two years to make with a high failure rate and has an expiration date measured in hours then a decent capitalist will tell the inventor to fuck off. Meanwhile a central planner will immediately start a famine just so the greatest country on earth can say that they "cured cancer" and show the evil west.

>>22100984
>Oh mo! That guy didn’t work as hard as me! Don’t give him the good steak!
You fret too much. A simple meal, a simple shelter for even the laziest, isn’t going to hurt. The commune that produces nothing but louts, will crumble apart. So we won’t raise quite so many of those people. We have more than enough of them under capitalism. We’d have far less, and work far less without capitalism.

>>22100997
Topic too lofty for you, I see.

>>22101002
They’re costs to you. You see artificial digits where there aren’t any. A shovel “costs” the metal and the molding time to create it. Nothing more. That’s natural.
>AAAAAHHH SCARCITY
Deal it that as it comes. Naturally. Capitalism doesn’t ease a famine away any better than a free economy would.

>>22101019
>Deal WITH it that as it comes.

>>22100999
Nigga who gathers those resourcea and how are they fed since they arent out using their means of production to farm or procure their own sustenance. Is there some higher authority detached from the proletariat that is directing those resources. What if the proles dont want to work in the mines who gets to tell the that is their lot in life. Some effeminate academic that never worked an honeat day in his life? What a mirthful jape.

>>22101019
>You fret too much
I don't. You simply aren't looking at this on a scale larger than your local dormitory.
> A simple meal, a simple shelter for even the laziest, isn’t going to hurt.
Sure. But providing those comes with a cost. The meal must be gathered, prepared, and served. The shelter must be built and maintained. The laziest aren't covering those costs, but are still receiving the benefits. The industrious are covering those costs, in addition to the costs they generate themselves, and receiving the same benefits. When you include costs, the lazy end up with more, while the hardworking end up with less. This incentivizes being lazy over being hardworking and will thus cause the ratio between the two to trend towards the lazy the longer this system goes on.
>The commune that produces nothing but louts, will crumble apart.
I'm sorry, anon, but the whole country is the commune. If we go down, we go down together. The lazy are also often manipulative and will constantly prey upon the empathy of others in order to continue free-loading. I'm sure you've run into many such excuses yourself in your own life.
>So we won’t raise quite so many of those people
Anon, your system aims to be equitable. You are subsidizing such people. Any restriction of such subsidies will be denounced as oppression.
>We have more than enough of them under capitalism
True. We use capitalism's excess output to fund welfare states, which enables such behavior, albeit not to the degree that full socialism does.
>We’d have far less, and work far less without capitalism
How do you figure this?

>>22101057
The gathering of resources is a job we can do. Duh. Need a breakfast beforehand, well eat up. The preparation of that is also a job. Good honest work will obviously remain, and we’ll be glad to share such easy work and reward the hard workers.
The capitalist jobs, the shit jobs and the bullshit jobs will all disappear, so they’ll be more than enough people waiting around for something to do with their time, and plenty of leisure to dabble in more fulfilling pursuits. No one would be overworked unless they wanted to overdo it.

>>22096960
Cockshott's a joke, he's not versed in real issues

>>22101002
>material cost
That opens a lot of theoretical worms... accounting as directly practiced contradicts marginalism in so many ways. Most historic capital goods owned by firms are valued on their books at basically made up numbers

>opportunity cost
Obviously you can't do two things at once ever but trade offs don't exist in a non-monetary economy where they might otherwise. The issue of capitalism is generally underutilization/overutilization of resources because of oligopoly (which is the norm in the end since competition isn't profitable)

>Materials are scarce and there's the question of what is more important and what will serve more people. Money signals that
"Money" not spent doesn't... you mean effective demand... and budget constraints as a corollary.

Anyways the real issues with command economies weren't overinvestment in R&D creating scarcity but incentivizes to outright fudge numbers... Mao probably never even knew a famine was going on since farms always reported surpassing their targets on outputs

>>22101083
Who is organizing the proles you little lying cunt. It certainly wont be you since youre weak never worked a day in your life and have no charisma.

>>22101074
I consider scale. I also consider the generational shift. Those born into such an improved world would be our superiors in many ways, and navigate this world perfectly.
>costs
I already explained what it costs to make a tiny home. A hermit who doesn’t like being around people can brow a little garden himself. That’s his work. Let him be if he wants to wander into town and grab a mutton once in a while. Most people wouldn’t be raised to behave like this. It would be less common than the homelessness we have now. Far cleaner too.
>the whole country is the commune
Indeed this can work across the whole continent and the whole globe, but by “commune” I mean each sectional community with their various meeting halls. We are naturally separated by geography. Can’t escape that. So, again, you promise to be a parasite in such a world? Mothers wouldn’t raise more of your kind, I’m pretty sure. That’s not a “restriction” placed on a potential vagabond, that’s a child raised to be helpful, loving and free.
> True. We use capitalism's excess output to fund welfare states, which enables such behavior
And I’m telling you the truth, this is a cause of capitalism. It perpetuates itself warts and all. War and poverty are its symptoms and will disappear when we get rid of it.

>>22101112
They themselves. We’re perfectly capable and trainable. I’m not a liar. I am a lower working class prole. Never graduated even HS and had only a handful of college course. All of which had nothing to do with my studies I offer here.

A difficult road to get this new world. Not assured, but certainly possible

>>22097264
>no one need die
that's what you said the last 20 times

>>22101138
You don’t read much.

>>22101135
>They themselves
Telling terminology. You commie fuckups are adorable. Capitalism might be shit but communism is the stuff of mentally ill sonambulists.

>>22101019
>Deal with it as it comes
I regret to inform you that "Fuck it we ball" is not a valid economic strategy

>>22101168
Oh, well you better look into it then. Because it already works

>>22101180
Going into any kind of large scale project without a closely followed plan is an easy way to have it be stuck in development hell forever.

>>22101135
>I already explained what it costs to make a tiny home.
You're assuming the home has no plumbing, lighting, air conditioning, etc.
Such things have upkeep costs, especially when said hermit doesn't clean up after themselves and mold festers in forgotten corners.
>Indeed this can work across the whole continent and the whole globe
Any attempt to scale it past a small village ends in massive human rights abuses.
>but by “commune” I mean each sectional community with their various meeting halls
That will be required to constantly uplift their "disadvantaged" neighbors.
>Mothers wouldn’t raise more of your kind, I’m pretty sure
Humans have a natural tendency to breed at higher rates when they are poor.
>that’s a child raised to be helpful, loving and free
Properly raising a child requires resources. The creation of children will usually outstrip your available resources.
>this is a cause of capitalism
Not really. It's a fork of capitalism that siphons the economic output to function in some part as socialism to provide a safety net. Raw capitalism would just allow such people to die if their communities refuse to pick up their slack.
>War and poverty are its symptoms and will disappear when we get rid of it
This statement leads me to believe you are just taking the piss and don't actually believe what you are saying.

>>22101189
1. We’ve been working on it a long time already
2. Development hell in each and every commune meeting will see it through just fine.

>>22101204
Who gets to join the commune. What if we the proletariat dont want lazy niggers unfertile women and boomers in our commune? Who will stop us from making the fuck off?

>>22101195
>You're assuming the home has no plumbing
No. You are assuming there are no plumbers etc.
Said hermit had better be a good hermit or his homes upkeep will start to fall apart. But then that too becomes his job. Isn’t that fine too.
>noooo you can’t just make this work for everyone too!
Yeah, we can. We do it now and we’re underpaid for it. We’d do twice as well once free.
>disadvantaged neighbors
We have disadvantaged neighbors now. The Revolution would uplift them. The upkeep would indeed be easy ever after.
Not sure what the prosperity of the commune would do to birthrates, but I’m guessing a free world for women would mean two or three average. Donno.
>resources to raise children
Plentiful. Do you still assume the world has poor because there isn’t enough to go around? It’s a falsehood
>more falsehoods
Reconsider. You have been misled

>>22101221
Everybody who lives in that place has a vote. You’re also free to bugger off if you’re afraid of dark skin on people

>>22101236
>You are assuming there are no plumbers etc
Are you going to find enough plumbers willing to provide for all the freeloaders you wish to enable, for no benefit of their own?
>Yeah, we can. We do it now and we’re underpaid for it.
Then why is the rest of the world coming to my country to get paid more?
>We have disadvantaged neighbors now. The Revolution would uplift them. The upkeep would indeed be easy ever after.
What makes you think their habits are going to suddenly change? They're still going to be tossing litter everywhere, because that's what they've always done.
>Plentiful
Bullshit.
>Do you still assume the world has poor because there isn’t enough to go around?
It's not about that. The bigger problem is actually getting things around. Distribution requires a fuckton of overhead.
>more falsehoods
Lmao, they just blow a hole in your poorly thought out utopia, so you choose to simply ignore them.

>>22101204
>>22101204
Your commune will be taken over by sophists and eat itself, figuratively and literally.

>>22097243
Tons of people die of poverty due to extreme capitalism in the New World nowadays.

>>22101487
>die of poverty due to extreme capitalism
Wtf, I hate capitalism now

>Hate capitalism
>hate commies
where do i go /lit/ ?

>>22101487
They die from natural causes. Nature is trying to kill us on a constant basis, regardless of the veneer of modern society we have set up to keep its image at bay. In fact, we've solved the problem of food so much that even our poorest people are morbidly obese. You can go to the emergency room without a penny to your name and they have to get your dying ass stable regardless of your ability to pay. You have absolutely no fucking clue how good you have it thanks to capitalism.

>>22101248
>Then why is the rest of the world coming to my country to get paid more?
Because we have capitalism now.
>what make you think habits
…would change because this would be post revolution
>bullshit
No, really. I’ve looked into it
> a fuckton of overhead.
Which would disappear for for what reason? Trade continues, but self sufficiency would lighten the need for it. Further saving fuel!
>lmao
War exists because of state-capitalism. There’s literally no reason to go to war in world that’s ditched it. You haven’t the imagination I guess.

>>22101476
Sophists? As in sophisticates? Rule by experts? This is the world as it is now. In direct democracy, you cannot let any single subsection overrule the voice of the rest of your community. An infiltrator cannot set up some permanent subcommittee that will control, say the nuclear facilities. The experts will clearly have to preside over it, but advice the community on topics. He won’t be able to control them. If he does, he is asked to leave the position
All hypotheticals

>>22097264
Why are you so assblasted at the fundamental nature of life itself, competition, and the baby infant child infinity privileged version of it humans experience vs other species? That's what capitalism actually is, it's just *what naturally occurs*. Otherwise you'd have the patience for it to actually collapse as all things will, but that wouldn't allow you your revenge on *the way things are*.

We all know once your utopia is created (if it even gets there), you will find another thing to bitch about to start this revolutionary cycle for the downtrodden anew. Somebody taller or better looking, somebody with more success with who you find attractive, somebody with a more content temperament, someone more charismatic for the political capitalism you'd like to create (as thats what socialism is), somebody handed a better hand for seemingly no reason, when these are the terms and conditions predicated by being alive.

We all know capitalism as most know it is on its way out the door, for things to back to how they were the past several thousand years, so the real question is why are you so upset?

>>22097224
> a site made possible by labor
> on a network made possible by labor
> on devices made by labor
> with materials collected and refined by labor
> by humans created by labor

inb4 "capitalism is a modern invention!"

>>22097224
???

4chan's code was derived from 2chan. Which published it for free. It was then translated and ported by moot's friends, for free. It was then hosted at his expense, for free, for it's users. And then got popular based on the appeal of that community and its actions.

4chan's story is closer to an anarcho-communist commune, for better or worse.

>>22096960
>nouveau socialism(capitalism but reskinned) globohomo(Tikkun Olamism) advocating ideology retardation so everyone can return to a state of bicamerality so that the new post-modern religion of liberal paternalism can guide the people into worshiping the satanic cabal that runs the world

>>22097314
>No one would riot or steal in such a world. Wake up.
I wish I could have this level of delusion.

>>22096960
Is the book free?

>>22102979
Yes. You can download it for free from Paul's website.

>>22103021
I want a printed version and don't think it's fair that people with eReaders get a free copy.

>>22103031
Write him an e-mail. He'll probably send you a free copy.

>>22101983
>War exists because of state-capitalism.
War existed since the dawn of the humankind. State-capitalism has nothing to do with it.

>>22101983
>Sophists as In experts
The world sophist means an expert in bullshiting, not an expert. Someone like that will manipulate the truth to get their way. For example a coal miner will spread rumors as if the nuclear power plant gives everyone cancer, and people will vote to have it demolished, all so he can preserve his job. Without someone to overrule the uneducated masses any democracy is sure to fail. But then you'll get a Stalin and that's also game over.

>>22102669
You must be the biggest reatrd that a bitch ever shat out. Chinkmoots servers are literally worked by indonesan slaves and the forums moderated by transexual men that do it for free.

>>22102659
Why are you so assblasted at the fundamental nature of life itself?
> We all know capitalism as most know it is on its way out the door, for things to back to how they were the past several thousand years, so the real question is why are you so upset?
Projecting, anon. But shouldn’t I be upset for having to be a slave my whole life? No, you are projecting a false notion of me here. I am mostly sad for all those who suffer needlessly. I’m doing okay myself. Living simply and still able to feed myself.

>>22102970
It takes an imagination with a lot of research I guess. In this world you can see why riots happen. Now look at a world where all those factors are just gone. Why would people riot? They would go to their town hall meetings and address their issues and before they got out of hand. They’d have only themselves to blame if they mismanage. That’s going to create a world of debates, not riots. Nothing delusional about it.

>>22103077
You really this dumb? Even the bible story doesn’t claim this. Fights are not the same as wars. War is all against all. Homer’s depiction was even an exaggeration of a series of pirate raids on sleepy seaside towns. Grow up.

>>22103160
You hear the latest about the WHO? Liberal fascism is clicking into place on schedule
There’s little difference between the two when you institutionalize them.
With a direct democracy, you will hear a variety of opinions and be able to change your community’s collective mind when you discover you’ve made a mistake. That one guy who steered the community wrong will be one guy deposed, and never in that much power as a Stalin to begin with.
I don’t describe a utopia in all this. I merely describe a far better world.

>>22104499
>Fights are not the same as wars. War is all against all. Homer’s depiction was even an exaggeration of a series of pirate raids on sleepy seaside towns. Grow up.
In a typical communist fashion you're trying to change the definitions of terms to fit your agenda and rewrite history. You're deranged person.

>>22104515
No, it’s pretty well understood that war is between whole nations and are not caused by little drunken tiffs over name-calling or women stealing. I’m not redefining anything.
War between prehistoric tribes numbering about a hundred each would most likely stop once one of them was killed. Because a death comes with a heavy burden of guilt. You can disagree, but people didn’t fight like racist madmen hopped on drugs and delusions of superiority/otherness. War of nations is a crime of commerce and a million times more violent. Grow up.

>>22097468
>troons consume big pharma shit till they die of liver failure
>troons create friction between members of the working class for they are mentally ill people
>troons are hated by the working class, they are only supported by the petty bourgies posterity
>troons are present only in capitalist societies, in communist societies they never even existed
>troons are popularized by big budget movies, tv series, editorial compounds and the MSM
>populists claim the will lower the taxing of rich people in exchange of the prohibition of the indoctrination of children to become mindless chemically castrated consumers(in other words, they threaten parents to vote for them), after election they don't do anything of what they promise, except they still lower the taxes for the rich

>>22096960
There are no capitalists, only capitalism.

>>22099665
I think commies have ak47 for that over priced short range gun

>>22104540
Not even gonna bother to refute this absurd, pretty sure you're either trolling or just outright insane. Next thing you will tell me capitalists invented wars to fill their coffers, and anything before ww1 or Napoleonic wars or whatever arbitrary point in history you chose does not fit your special definition of war and were basically drunken brawls.

>>22104555
The tranny is obviously trolling. He doesnt work so he starts trolling around 10 pacific standard time religiously.

>>22104555
>hollow troll non argument
>won’t grow up, can’t.

Wars grew as states did. They raided tribes and other smaller townships for slaves. The Epic of Gilgamesh famously is about trying to take the free fringe peoples into the city. Enkidu is a representation of those nomadic people. The city wanted them to work for the growing state/kingdom. Like a tumor “civilization” kills the natural human mode.
Clearly war profits the victor. That’s why they fight them.

>>22104575
>EVERYTHING I DONT LIKE HAS TO BE A TRANNY AN AN AN AND A TROOOOLLLLLL
>OH OH OH. AND YOU DONT HAVE A JOB!,!! LIKE US NORMAL PEOPLE! WE THE GOOD HEARTED WORKING MAN
>(AND YOU LIVE IN MY TIMEZONE)

0/10

>>22104596
Wow why did you suddenly sperg out for no reason?

>>22104609
No, I’m quoting the trannies in your head, anon. You sperged out. You made baseless stupid remarks instead of engaging with the conversation.
You are the one who can’t cope with this.
Grow up

>>22096960
>People keep falling for this bait thread everytime.
You are a fucking loser Paul cockshort, The fact that you advertise ur garbage book here alone proves that. Buy a an ad or neckurself.

>>22104624
lol gay cunt u still look like a man and marx was a worthless cunt

>>22100956
Keep coping u fucking dumb nigger, individual effort has always been more valuable than the effort by the collective. This has been proven time and time again. Most fortune 500 companies were started by poorfags working out of their own garage.

>>22101019
>You fret too much
you deserve to be hanged in a public square, you jewish negroid.

>>22104649
This. Fuck the collective, they can collectively suck on my balls.

>>22101236
>You’re also free to bugger off if you’re afraid of dark skin on people
We keep doing that and they keep inevitably following us, because it turns out that even brown people don't want to live around brown people.

>>22104636
See? You haven’t even read a thing I typed. I hate Marx. 0/10 begone troll.

>>22104649
>individual effort has always been more valuable than the effort by the collective
LOL. Lmao even. Let Elon run Tesla by himself than! Hahaha

>>22104702
Shut up Marxist

>>22104760
Black Wall Street, The Harlem Renaissance, etc. you racist hicks keep trailing them is the problem. You are more obsessed with trans, but there are still people hating on blacks and everyone else who looks different. Get over it. But try think a little harder on this. If you tear away the economic and political stumbling blocks, you can all hang out in your whites only swamp and nobody will want to trade with you. Imagine that! No rap music, no girls. Have fun.

>>22097243
not too many, few billion, I'm feeling magnanimous atm

>>22104954
>claims to not like Marx but loves BBC
You cant even pass online where cant seee your face your voice.

>>22105050
>he said unironically while capitalism, the Military Industrial Complex, dances the world closer to nuclear annihilation than we’ve been since the Cuban Missile crisis

Stupid stupid rat-creatures

>>22105070
So is that not enough? I still want enough people left where I can shitpost and get new books to read. 5 billion?

>>22105070
There is no nuclear option. Russia would have to be the first striker and Israel Iran China Pakistan Saudi Arabia India dontt want a risk of any of that fallout.

>>22105070
Nuclear war is like knife fighting a naked guy covered in feces, but you also have to get naked and covered in feces, and the feces you're covered in aren't your own. You also have to eat some too.

>>22105070
Ignore the cope, people will only internalize this if we do tip over the edge

>BlackRock
The bankers (capitalists) manage 9$ trillion US dollar in assets— they control every aspect of your life and dictate all your actions, thoughts and opinions.

>>22105250
Based

>>22104499
>Why would people riot?
This has to be bait. There is no way a human brain would ONLY and EXCLUSIVELY think about the riot part while completely ignoring the stealing part. It would require extra effort to focus your brain 100% on something not important while completely ignoring the delusional point, which is to say that people WOULDN'T steal in a economic system where all their money is controlled by the state and they have no economic freedom.

>>22105088
If one nuke hits Moscow, they have a system set up that will call systems in the targeted area. It tests the blast for radiation and if its confirmed it's going to launch. The US has told their Ukrainians not to fire on Moscow, but who knows how much control we have of them?

>>22105440
You think it's based that Larry Fink controls this much of your life?

>>22106535
Am I misunderstanding your post?
There is no state or money in this scenario.

State can't be trusted to manage wealth, therefore socialism will never work.

>>22106778
You can steal other things besides money. There are a lot of examples in the Bible before money was created of people going to towns and killiing everyone just to steal their cattle, houses, and lands afterwards.

>>22107691
The Bible is full of fictions, and full of episodes of people impoverished by imperialist state-capital powers. You just offer up the example of cattle. So I have to wonder why people would steal a cow in a world that’s providing everything to everyone. Why can’t the guy just ask for a milking calf for his property so he won’t have to trudge into town quit so often?
So again, I don’t see this as a perfect utopia. It will likely have thrill thefts as much as thrill killers and other assorted deranged people. We would have to provide our own security methods, but hopefully learn to not rely on an elite guard of thugs like we have now. With nearly everyone taking turns to be on guard duty I would imagine a whole lot of wakeful vigilant people per community. Metaphorically, we’d be a pack of wolves instead of now where we have a handful of wolves watching over a flock of sheep