/lit/ - Literature

>>22085558
damn. julian got filtered. he didn't even make it to talmud-tier, let alone zohar-tier. this is like seetheposting at a political level.

>>22085582
are you trying to make christians look bad? you literally confirmed the case to be true by giving four ad hominems in a one line response.

>>22085558
>baptism does not take away his leprosy from the leper, or scabs, or pimples, or warts, or gout, or dysentery, or dropsy, or a whitlow, in fact no disorder of the body, great or small,
>t. didn't know
>t. didn't witness miracles
kek

>>22085607
nope. you also got filtered it would seem.

>>22085607
Welcome to /shit/, enjoy your complimentary ad hominems

>>22085582
Get a meaningful word of defense in or shut up.

>>22085610
>"(essentially) baptism cures and prevents cancer"
wow, this has ... made me very angry. I'm linced to hold the palms of your hands onto molten metal to teach you a lesson. Don't worry, we'll have a priest and baptismal font on standby for you to undo the injury.

>>22085613
Okay then, if you won't respond to reason and stop with lies and psychological abuse we'll do it the legal way.

>>22085618
You're arguing with a self-professed irrational imbecile, of the two of you, who is the dumber?

>>22085629
I'm giving christians an opportunity to prove their character because it's funny, and deconverts/immunizes the reader.

>>22085624
>won't respond to reason
>t. doesn't know pure reason leads to God
kek imagine being a brainlet
kek

>>22085607
you don't know what talmud or zohar is do you?

>Get a meaningful word of defense in or shut up
>christcucks still won’t
>”read Kant!”
You don’t know what you’re talking about

>>22085663
>>t. doesn't know pure reason leads to God
Oh sure. But how you arrive at God=Blind Faith in Jewish Theology is in dispute, the Hindus or Aztecs claims there are perhaps as valid - on the literalism thing of "well they said god did it, so that's settled."

I'm really having a joke at the neo-nazi catholic types who claim to hate jews ad blame their life on jews, then turn around and suck off the corpus of jewish theological concepts unwittingly.

leotard boy says "filtered," you say "brainlet," but there's no trace of yiddish semen in my mouth, and much psuedo-kikery going on with you lot.

>>22085667
Tell me you're not really suggesting a human is ignorant of these things after 15 years of hearing about them constantly on the internet.

You are aware that every white person and his dog believes that ZOG controls the galaxy, right?Why do you think the european and american politicians visit israel so often? It's literally your culture to fear and worship this thing.

but that's just my opinion

>>22086371
>human is ignorant of these things after 15 years of hearing about them constantly on the internet.
hearing about them does not mean you know what they are. They are different levels of oral traditions eventually written down that give meaning to the originally written tradition, the Torah. You (and Julian) are basically shitting on the least common denominator of a religion by focusing on literal-level schoolboy readings of a religions scripture (strawmanning basically), and then taking your basic bitch refutation as if it were some great accomplishment. The response would be to enlighten you or laugh at you. I will do both, now take this slight enlightenment and go read a book midwit.

>>22086477
Actually nobody has refuted old Julian at all, Cyrils refutation consisted of pretending the Greeks had copied the Jews and when this didn't convince anybody the Christians reintroduced the ban on anti christian books and everything was burned.

It's very ironic that you use the word Enlightenment, in this context. And your simple ad hominem, which is all that your post contain to the topic, to say "school boy readings" is an evasion of the topic... and falls into the trap laid out in the opening lines.

i.e. in a court of law you would lose the case with this being your first and last act, failing to refute the prosecution in any of the charges against you.

You also surely know how dishonest this is and so you're fully aware that your claimed advocacy of this religion has fostered a condition of vice and enmity within you, enmity targeting, I might add, actual scientific Logos within others and within yourself.

>>22086477
Also, as to your character.. one who lies and has such a disposition as this.. this is strongest refutation of any of your claims, in my opinion, an it is explained why you are this way - i.e. why your historical character has been this way - by Paul.

How else does an ordinary human discover a religion of peace and love and be exposed to it and become a viceful cunt?

>>22086503
>Actually nobody has refuted old Julian at all
kek

you have no what you are talking about.
The Christian religion and the old Roman religion are not as different as you think.

Jupiter is God the Father.

>>22086552
>Jupiter is God the Father.
No he's not. You're talking about Dies Pater I think, i.e. Haides, Dis, Serapis, who actually is the Father.

Honestly frog-boy, you're out of your depth with me on this stuff in particular: Romans considered Christians to be the first Atheists because of his nihilistic and do-nothing they were/are,

>> a sordid and slovenly way of living .., ; and they desire that this should be called the noblest worship of the gods.

Whilst the Roman Mos Maiorum, if you kew anythign about it, you'd realize would resemble Islam moreso than lazy Christianity; with the fasting in each calendar month and the five daily prayers (in the roman that is, islam is much softer in its application of inherited roman culture on these two points).

Anyway, definitely not. Christianity is the cult of Bacchus, at best.

This has to be one of the most aimlessly maundering threads I've ever read here. What is anyone here trying to prove?

>>22086573
>No he's not. You're talking about Dies Pater I think,
kek imagine not knowing Jupiter IS "Dies Pater"

>>22086596
kek imagine reading wikipedia for the first time and thinking you know shit.

You're saying Jupiter is Yahweh. They're not. Yahweh is, if anything, Zephyr if we place that drug addict into the Pantheon; he's a wind god of an ethnic polity. The claim, on the other hand, that Yahweh 'created the universe' would make Yahweh Uranus and not Jupiter, which is funny for the same wordplay.

Whilst the baby christcuck idea that Big God has other Big God who is bad is absent in Polytheism, etc. etc. there are so many vast differences when you try to parse Jewish culture to Roman. Not least of all that the Judeo-Christians considered the venerated ancestors (who were far more important than any God) to be Actual Literal Demons.

>>22086371
>God=Blind Faith
imagine believing this. read picrel and gtfo

>>22086625
>You're saying Jupiter is Yahweh.
yes

>>22086585
I consider the OP case proven, christians have been off-topic tards since day 1 and it is because they are viceful cretins who use religion as an excuse to avoid correction.

But we're still discussing the book so at ease, officer powel.

>>22086625
>so many vast differences
you're focused on the differences, instead of their transcendent unity. you do not see.

>>22086636
then you're demonstrably wrong in your assertion there.

>>22086629
Do you or do you not believe that the Jewish Cultural take on (((everything))) is "your history"? i.e. the Eden story and onwards, etc. how you think Jesus wasn't a prophet 'within' Judaism 'for' Jews, etc.

If you just pray to Prime Cause 'as' a deity with no mythology added to it then fine, I guess, but we all know nobody holds that position. Nobody posting the tradcath readers digest anyway.

>>22086642
>transcendent unity.
What, that the crowd who mutilates the human body and declares evil to be good will somehow arrive at concordance with reality? Most of the impetus of the christian-type begins from a position of heinous criminality which the religion serves to shield them against; the christian will never come to virtue as their faith relies upon them having the 'sin' to be saved from in the first place, they will never remedy the sin in themselves or in others in order to actually stop what they do, which they do not want to for doomsday reasoning.

In many ways its along drawn out suicide founded upon a aversion to enlightenment as, for example, buddha demonstrated when he gained 'enlightenment' by turning his back on severe asceticism and learning how to enjoy food again.

>>22086658
>Do you or do you not believe that the Jewish Cultural take on (((everything))) is "your history"? i.e. the Eden story and onwards, etc. how you think Jesus wasn't a prophet 'within' Judaism 'for' Jews, etc.
this goes back to Torah -> Talmud -> Zohar. It's a legend (mythology if you prefer that word) which has different interpretations as you progress through higher stages of consciousness. Taking it as literal is staying at the consciousness of a child. Are there Christians like this? Yes, but you'd be an idiot at best if you took the brainlet take of your average lay person for the doctrine contained in the Keys of St. Peter, as passed on from bishop to bishop going back to Jesus Christ.

Also on the topic of 'Prime Cause' as a deity, do you even know the meaning of the four letters of the Tetragrammaton?

>>22086692
>Most of the impetus of the christian-type begins from a position of heinous criminality which the religion serves to shield them against; the christian will never come to virtue as their faith relies upon them having the 'sin' to be saved from in the first place, they will never remedy the sin in themselves or in others in order to actually stop what they do, which they do not want to for doomsday reasoning.
holy strawman. read the catechism now.

>>22086708
hahaha how is it a strawman? The first christians were literally homosexuals, drunks and extortioners who were running away from facing their problems and wished to die in the doomsday. That this remains the USP of Christianity is entirely significant as to the 'character'.

Your many-centuries-later books have no bearing on these things and it's your own silly fault in the first place to have tethered yourself to such stupid thing, as Plotinus said to the Gnostics about having a deity disconnected from reality.

>>22086702
>the Keys of St. Peter, as passed on from bishop to bishop going back to Jesus Christ.
> the four letters of the Tetragrammaton
and why would you take this seriously when this was a reviled gnostic heresy?

>the consciousness of a child.
that's entirely the point, but it's made in a real-world material sense, that is: if you stop wishing for death and spiritual destruction (call it what you like) you'll begin to become an adult human, having gotten over being held back by petty concerns over petty things (not eating shellfish on one day, and cutting your genitals apart to please your deity) - as the Romans said to Irenaus.

>>22086702
>the Keys of St. Peter
also and fundamentally: "the early church knew nothing (of these claims)"

>>22086708
ed. excuse me haste to dunk on you, christcuck but this was not true what i said:
> The first christians were literally homosexuals, drunks and extortioners who were running away from facing their problems and wished to die in the doomsday. That this remains the USP of Christianity is entirely significant as to the 'character'.
rather: the first non-jewish converts under Paul. Jewish Christians already had sins to be saved from, abramic theological errors;things you consider the "word of god."

>>22086757
>how is it a strawman?
>the christian will never come to virtue
sigh. the virtues are part of a christian life. again you strawman because you don't even know what Christians actually believe because you haven't read the catechism. you present an image of Christians who have failed to achieve the imitation of Christ, as if that were Christianity itself, as opposed to the teachings and standards of the religion. Who hurt you anon?

>1697 Catechesis has to reveal in all clarity the joy and the demands of the way of Christ.Catechesis for the "newness of life"in him should be:
[...]
-a catechesis of the human virtues which causes one to grasp the beauty and attraction of right dispositions towards goodness;
[...]


>1803 "Whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is gracious, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things."
A virtue is an habitual and firm disposition to do the good. It allows the person not only to perform good acts, but to give the best of himself. the virtuous person tends toward the good with all his sensory and spiritual powers; he pursues the good and chooses it in concrete actions.

The goal of a virtuous life is to become like God.

>>22085558
Somehow Julian reminds me of a certain stoner boyfriend. He had a rather sweet heart, but not much talent for natural history and astronomy and such. I enjoy theological discourse, but take none of it seriously.

>>22086811
sigh. The Virtues 'already' 'existed' in hard-code in the Roman Culture, far better. The Christians, as many have informed me personally in the hundreds, 'disregard Virtue / e.g. Good Deeds' for theological reasons "they do not care about their lives, their focus is on immortality 'after' they die," citing Paul primarily. Whereas in the first place the Hebrews had an evil god who they desired to call Good and ended up declaring evil was good; mutilation of the body for instance.

>you present an image of Christians who have failed to achieve the imitation of Christ,
If it proved true for 1,600 yrs then we have a good idea of why. You place 'basic virtue' on a pedestal and the higher virtues, which follow from the basics, are completely alien to your characters; you inculcate a messiah complex which is discouraging to good works.

You religion contains no practical grasp of how to attain virtue or how to remedy vice, in the simplest of possible ways I could phrase this for you. And how 'could' you hold a position of virtue in the world if you must pay homage to a cult which falsely equates 'virtue' with cutting apart your sons genitals or not eating fish on one day of the week, or has a god who is made to encourage petty genocide and child mutilation. This is Baal, the God of the Carthaginians, whose priests were coincidentally sacrificed en masse by Tiberius in the same year as Jesus.

Here, you say
>A virtue is an habitual and firm disposition to do the good.

having just attempted to inflict psychological abuse,
>Who hurt you anon?

An incongruity. Next perhaps, you will pretend I am "crying".

I would argue that this position is the position you are forced to adopt in order to evade your own rational senses and carry on with your religion, and that it is a demonstrably viceful position; alien to basic virtue in conduct. And that this has been true since the first converts to Paul and remained so into the 4th Century, where the precise same character is revealed and its origin, i would argue, in the dissonance of holding an intellectual position rife with absurdism that turns your brain away from logical assessment first of yourself and of everything else.

>>22086835
Julian had not longed burned the Christian "Paul 'the Chain'" for high treason and abuse of office before sitting down to write this. You're right in one sense, in another sense it's deeply serious.

>>22086811
>The goal of a virtuous life is to become like God.
spoken like an egomaniac. I must say.

Moreover if people have their vices remedied then their original sin no longer requires Jesus's intervention, making the Christians useless. However we learn that "sin" has nothing to do with not being virtuous, but rather because "adam and eve desired to know right from wrong,"

>>"to refuse the knowledge of good and bad, which knowledge alone seems to give coherence to the mind of man,"

>>22086552
Jupiter was never part of the "old" Roman religion. the Romans worshipped Saturn. Jupiter was a usurper God.

>>22085558

Everyone, here is an argument from the scriptures that the fedora tipping OP cannot answer. Atheists BTFO eternally

>>22087224
profound scriptures

can we get some hostile christcucks in this thread to bump it with verbal abuse for a while? bit surprised that didn't happen already.

>>22087196
This is more true than the "jupiter is creator god" claim, which is so dumb for that person to have said with such conviction.

Romans-Etruscans didn't worship Saturn in that sense either, although Mars as Mar Silvestris (mars of the forest) and Saturn (as his grandfather) were older. The focus was just completely different from how zealot types nowadays in the west and middle east consider 'gods', the "gods" were civic functions, like corporations holding industrial or civic aspects in trust, whereas the greater focus of 'religion' was on the ancestors of the household itself - having far more in common with chinese or japanese shinto than the "worship the god to gain favor" notion.

It's difficult to put into words in our society but Roman Polytheism, as far as the gods were concerned, was a secular culture as the temples had real-world material functions to them, whereas the ancestors were the focus of the spiritualistic elements that we think of when thinking of religion. The mythologies of the gods themselves were universalist, in that similar stories (o characters like hercules, e.g.) could be found organically all across the known world at the time and were neither roman nor greek nor this nor that insofar as they could be 'claimed or owned'. In many ways, also, the pointing out of the shared heritage from one place to the next was really what could be called the Roman part of the Polytheism, ironically predating and out-performing the Universalism that would be claimed erroneously by the later 'Universal' Church since in the case of polytheists and ancestor veneration there already did exist universalism from one place to the next.

So there,
you can thank me now, >>22086552
>The Christian religion and the old Roman religion are not as different as you think.
for correcting your errors.


>>22087224
I take it back, I repent.

>>22085558
Because miracles aren’t widespread and available to anyone doesn’t mean they don’t exist. The miracle at Fatima, Portugal was witnessed by hundreds of people, believers and skeptics alike, who all said they saw some supernatural phenomenon when there. That is one instance in the modern day when a miracle happened and can’t be denied.

Also, in the Catholic Church there are many medical miracles independently verified by doctors.

>>22088980
What about all of the accounts of the Miracle of the Sun that don't line up with the Vatican's official stance on the event?

>>22089054
Miracles are beyond rationality or evidence so those accounts have to be discarded for the good of the faith.

>>22085558
>it was necessary as far back as in the 4th Century to request that Christians stick to the topic
This is just something I've found with theists in general. Whenever you ask them a question they can't answer, they respond with more questions. It's really tiring dealing with them, but I always try to makes sure I get the last word when I do.
>Also, in the Catholic Church there are many medical miracles independently verified by doctors
Are there any actual peer reviewed studies backing up their verification. This is just as bad as when Muslims quote scientists claiming that the Quran contains scientific truths.

>>22089054
What accounts? There were literally hundreds of eyewitnesses, both believers and skeptics, some of whom came from skeptic newspapers, who all came there because the children had prophesied that the event would happen. They all gathered there and all saw the sun showing supernatural behaviour. These “conflicting accounts” are people who say the sun moved fast from side to side, whilst others said it changed shape. Since it’s a miracle it’s no challenge to say that each person experienced it slightly differently. But the inexplicable thing is that hundreds of eyewitnesses all say they saw a miracle with the sun AT THE EXACT PROPHESIED DATE. How do you explain this?

>>22089131
Mass hysteria.

>>22088980
>Because miracles aren’t widespread and available to anyone doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
>>22089072
>Miracles are beyond rationality or evidence so those accounts have to be discarded for the good of the faith.

Why are people talking about miracles?

The point being made is that "being baptized" does not remedy a viceful mentality in a person, as neither does it remedy a medical complaint. History is actually full of such disgusting examples of thinking "holy water" will cure an ailment, having lepers and plague carriers share bathwater with thousands of pilgrims, spreading diseases. This is obvious to us nowadays, but the point being made here is this:

Paul claims that being dunked in a baptism has cured his group of followers of the following things:
idolization, adultery, unmanliness, sodomy (as bottoms), stealing, desiring to steal, jealously, alcoholism, verbal abuse, extortion.
and that baptism will cure anybody of those things.

The claim is shown untrue, however, in says which are entirely obvious. It's telling that you disbelieve so much in the promise of Christianity on this point that you regard Pauls promise of being cured by baptism (cured of being an alcoholic, for example) as being so rare that it would be classified as a Miracle.


I mean, "Reviling" is Verbal Abuse or Ad Hominem in the first place. Evidently no Christian has every been cured of this defect by being dunked under the water, nor do y consider verbal abuse to be a defect, and if they do then they consider the habit of avoiding ad hominem to be so rare amongst them that it must be a Miracle.


>>22089108
I wouldn't worry about the last word if I were you. If a person seek attention and has a culture which vales persecution, then their 'trolling' to annoy you by avoiding the subject 'is' their only purpose; that is: to present themselves in such a way as to inspire violence against themselves to legitimize their sense of being right for seeming to be persecuted.

It is sophistry or performance-play, read "the passing of peregrinus" to find the character type ;p

>>22088913
All you have to do is that attacks from LARPagans often come from self-styled Nordic pagans who don’t even realize that Odin himself was a Turk and this attested to in Snorri’s Edda.

>>22089191
And we should also believe that the Saxons actually thought Grendel was a descendant of Cain, right?

>>22086639
>OP case
t. OP
you are not fooling anyone faggot

>>22088880
you know by this comment you exposed yourself and got btfo in your thread right?

>>22085558
Julian here used retarded analogy and compared moral defects with physical ailments. His arguement is retarded which is not surprising because pagancuck larpers are retarrded themelves like an OP. You should get ad hominems because you don't argue in good faith.

>>can we get some hostile christcucks in this thread to bump it with verbal abuse for a while?

>>22089401
>>22089377
>>22089369
>>22089191

thank you for arriving, what took you so long?

>>22089369
wait, what? "fooling" ... you're having trouble understanding the perspective of 'the case' presented in the original post I think. i.e. the case itself is proven

please stop being such a fucking stupid little baby - it's anonymous forum for fuck sake. if i wanted 100 people to just agree with me i could easily fake that. I'm here to 'discuss' the subject 'with' people who disagree with it. It's not a popularity contest you fucking schizo.

>>22089377
uh sure, dissonance there, schizo.

>>22089401
>Julian here used retarded analogy and compared moral defects with physical ailments. His arguement is retarded
wow, nice analysis professor

The case is actually demonstrating the verbatim claim of St Paul that Baptism cures these things and how they do not cure those things.

>>You should get ad hominems because you don't argue in good faith.
You should get intensive mental health treatment for having
a cognitive impairment which projects your own demonstrated actions onto everybody around you.


anyway ladies thanks for bumps and thanks for the proofs to confirm the case

>>22089191
what the fuck is this in response to?

>>22086552
>"you have no idea what you're talking about"
>proceeds to drop one of the dumbest takes in the history of mankind
Every. Single. Time.

>>22089755
>schizo babbling after getting exposed.
>The case is actually demonstrating the verbatim claim of St Paul
Yes which I responded to retarded atheistcuck. You have very low IQ which is why you get exposed every time you make a thread.
I love how you deflected my actual response.
Also nice plebbit spacing troon.
>>22089769
>>22090176
bumping your own thread cuck?

>>22090516
>>schizo babbling after getting exposed.
(calls articulate on-point refutation of error 'schizo babbling')
(claims to have exposed conspiracy, which was refuted in sentence dismissed as 'schizo babbling')
THEN
(accuses of deflection)

Ha, I can tell self-awareness isn't something in your vocab, you do know that you're proving the case to be utterly accurate... ad hominem and off topic..?

let's count how many insults you crammed into those few small lines of off-topic verbal abuse,
>schizo
>retarded
>atheistcuck*
>very low IQ
>plebbit
>troon
>cuck
boy, you're just full-blown bouncing off the walls today huh - are you sure you want to be here? you don't seem mentally well.

>>The case is actually demonstrating the verbatim claim of St Paul
>Yes which I responded to retarded atheistcuck. You have very low IQ
Uh you didn't understand the argument, declared it to be retarded, and haven't understood it a second time, you're not actually processing the text or the argument and you don't even realize you've proved the case to be 100% true already - which is hilarious to me.

e.g.
Paul claims that baptism cures you of doing ad hominem, for instance.

You see why that's funny about you guys, right?


*very imaginative twist on the classic christcuck

From this last reply I am quite sure that the Christians are dumber than dogshit.

>>22086552
The father of who?

>>22087196
Nop, you got it all wrong.

>>22090755
Jupiter was literally the usurper god in the mythology as it was taught at the time they worshiped Jupiter. Neither was is it claimed that Jupiter created the universe or humans, nor that any god created the universe or humans.

I pointed this out in the another thread that when you're talking about a "creator deity" you're talking about the philosophical concept of Prime Cause, in context it is the concept of prime cause which is conflated with "a god" by the abramic cults.. but that the conflation is probably only as old as the concept and is kind of a lazy non-answer or anyway non-actionable answer) to the question of "where did everything come from" anyway.

>>22090687
still schizonrambling of low iq troon atheistcuck. you are hysterical because you never achieved anything in life and now you are getting exposed on imageboards too. You still failed to address my argument because you are a retard

>>22090693
bumping your thread proves that atheistcucks are retards asking for attention

>>22085558
trying to get someone to see this, and in fact, it does relate!
>>>/x/34895448
but I don't mean to spam it too much Imma just gonna let it sit now...

>>22090974
>Jupiter was literally the usurper god in the mythology as it was taught at the time they worshiped Jupiter.
No he isn't.

>Neither was is it claimed that Jupiter created the universe or humans, nor that any god created the universe or humans.
Yes it was.

>>22086552
>Jupiter is God the Father.
unironically Iovis is also God the Son
>inb4 Jupiter and Iovis are the same retard
exactly, just as God the Father and God the Son are the same.
checkmate atheists.

>>22091241
>checkmate atheists.
where are the atheists, schizo?

>>22091156
sad. delusional. no proof. echolalia.

>>22091137
I'm sure in your mind this is what must be happening when other people agree that christians are lying cunts. "it's fake" yet you are a lying cunt at the same time, so it's a paradox for you.

>>22091135
>(a dozen more counts of verbal abuse after being called out on it, and the context demonstrated to you how you're proving the case to be true; misuse of psychiatric terminology also, which is particularly egregious)
goes loik water off a ducks back

>>22091147
no.

>>22091137
It's fun and it's a good way to bump the thread. In this instance in particular, when you bump the thread with verbal abuse you demonstrate the case to be true.

I wondered whether you usual christian trolls would have the intelligence to realize that you ought show some restraint, try to engage politely and not respond in your usual evil way here. Turns out you lacked the intelligence to notice.. or the self-control to 'not' demonstrate the evil character of christians.

thanks for the proofs as always

>>22090974
>Jupiter was literally the usurper god in the mythology
Mythology is not real, they are allegories with esoteric knowledge.

>Neither was is it claimed that Jupiter created the universe or humans
Yes it was.

>nor that any god created the universe or humans
Yes it was.

>when you're talking about a "creator deity" you're talking about the philosophical concept of Prime Cause
No, different things.

>>22091455
okay well you've replied without any argument or proof, so you're going to be executed.

>>22089191
Rudbeck, is that you?

>>22091318
The type of 4channeler who only replies in frantic yet stale insults can only be considered part of the digital flora, and shouldn't be bothered with. Not that i favor christians, but his type exists all over the spectrum and if he wasn't a philosemite he would be posting about haplogroups or dark souls.

>>22091318
still babbling like a low IQ atheistcuck kek. Everyone is laughing at you tranny.

>>22092253
why are you talking to yourself tranny

>>22086585
good on you for learnin a new word and applyin it in your vocabulary. im proud of you nigger

>>22085558

I don't see any problem in discussing this in civilized manner; in the majority of time this ends with calling someone a kike or golem; kek.

>>22085558
All religions are made up. Sometimes they are build around a philosophically sound core, sometimes not (like with rainbow faith). In any case whenever someone is trying to sell you culture or religion he is trying to manipulate you, usually against your best interests.
Always ask: "What's in it for me?", truth is literally irrelevant when it comes to making practical life decisions.
When you put Hindu, Buddhist, or Catholic philosophers in the same room, they will come to the same philosophical conclusions. In the end they will just argue about culture because that's how they politically manipulate their victims.

hey i learned two new words from reading this thread (echolalia and whitlow) from reading this thread and it was quite funny too thanks guys. op is pretty clever goading the christians into ad hominems and then using that as a refutation to the idea that christians are meek and temperate and that baptism doesnt cure the tendency to abusive speech.

but i think theres a fallacy in this argument. on 4chan, everyone is abusive; the culture of rudeness is part of the fun of the site, and someone being rude and using ad hominem on 4chan says nothing about their values and comportment in the real world. Kinda like how killing someone in an online video game doesnt make you a murderer, or how attaching "kind regards," "warm regards," to an email doesnt necessarily mean you're a kind person or have any feeling of warmth towards the recipient.

In short OP is a faggot as always

>>22092366
Ah, homo tetrachannelensis insipidus (L.), what a prime specimen!

>>22092364
delusional pejoratives

>>22092253
>4channeler
>the digital flora
It's comfortable to pretend it's just a today thing and online thing rather than a persistent character type with a persistent origin which results in this ... er .. character.

It seems very clear to me: if a person holds a false position or belief they cannot defend or argue for then they will be inclined to change topic and divert into ad hominem, etc. because they literally 'cannot' proceed in a straight-forward discussion of a thing for knowing that that they'll be shown to be wrong or foolish or worse after the first few exchanges. Same mentality as news propaganda I think; he tactic to push or maintain a lie or delusion is just to prevent a discussion from occurring. That's ultimately all someone like this is doing, with the intent to deceive the third party observer who doesn't know better, making the 'troll' an act of sophistry or appeal to mob-audience,
e.g.
>>22092366
>>22092364

But...... that shit being said,
I don't think it necessarily is 'this religion' but that a certain type gravitates towards the version of the religion or the character of Paul solely to use the religion as a cloak for their own insanity and antisocial inclinations. It's an incongruity for a person to be in a religion and be a sociopathic abuser at the same time, so obviously religion or some pieces of it serve some purpose for that type, as they certainly aren't following the religion to learn about how not to be an evil sociopath. - it's an act which revels in hypocrisy, like a satanic thing.

I can easily understand why Romans killed Christians though. Maximinus Daia even speaks of "the great sickness which creates enmity" of the Christians. To a truthful or real-world disposition (i.e. interested in resolution of a matter, or not interested in babyish egoism) this 'type of person' is the greatest impediment in a public forum. I mean that back then they would do this and today they are doing this, to the same effect that the public forum is inoperable.


>>22092413
> in the majority of time this ends with calling someone a kike or golem
Most insults to perfect strangers are fantasies about the thing that the abuser fears or hates most in themselves.

The end result of 'enmity' is a slow evolution, which we can see today, where the very language itself is abused and broken apart, to the loss of the broader discourse and society,
e.g. "autism, schizo" means something very specific but when wrong-people fear the accusation and spew out the accusation preemptively against others then the words and their meanings are muddied and eventually inoperable. It's a assault against public logic in order to maintain a personal delusion, on that level.

>>22092444
>hey i learned two new words from reading this thread (echolalia and whitlow) from reading this thread and it was quite funny too thanks guys. op is pretty clever goading the christians into ad hominems and then using that as a refutation to the idea that christians are meek and temperate and that baptism doesnt cure the tendency to abusive speech.
:D it is funny

But let me take this seriously, because this is valid criticism:
> on 4chan, everyone is abusive; the culture of rudeness is part of the fun
Firstly, everyone in reality is not abusive: most people are not abusive.

I think the main problem of (this perception) is that we're being desensitized by this behavior into insanity and irrational thinking, e.g. pretending an opposing opinion from yours is wrong because you associate the speaker with some group or made-up pejorative is doing two main things to you:
1) it's not refuting the argument so you're liable to sitting on errors for a long time which will only get worse and harm you.
2) it's fostering a mentality of trigger-based self-delusion - which is evidenced in the broader political culture already and which we already recognize.

>the culture rudeness is part of the fun
In some sense sure, but when you realize that things like 4chn or fucking twitter 'are' all we have as an open Public Forum to discuss and remedy the problems in society... then things which create impediments to straight-forward discussion cannot be tolerated.

A hostile political actor would respond exactly as you have done - but they would lying and would be emulating your disposition. They wish themselves to be taken as a normal person who is just having fun; that the abuse and attack of some political position they don't like is "nothing serious" when they do it, but obviously it's 100% of their modus operandi against the public, with all propaganda really taking this form of negative association and no discussion of the subject itself being permitted to occur.

I would just point out - in addition to the questioning of the intent of the modus operandi - that if, e.g. I was in the right about something I would happy to make the case immediately, whilst a diversion from the subject itself can 'only' be considered therefore to be a mark of conscious guilt on the part of the attacker: consciously lying, consciously holding ideas they do not know why they hold them, or consciously engaging in malicious deceit to pretend a criminal scheme against 'you/others/public' is not a criminal a scheme, etc etc.

ed.
> obviously it's 100% of their modus operandi against the public
I mean: it' 'obvious' in that respect because they cannot refute the claim/position/argument that they're wanting to attack.

Also, maybe for a 3)
if this is 'all' the culture is capable of doing, i.e. ifboth sides are wrong and refuse to enter dicussion for fear of being shown to be wrong, then we can understand the decades of stagnancy non-resolution and domestic chaos that occur as consequence of this.

in short,
it's inferior, unable to tell the difference between criminal abuse and ultimately just not optimal.

>>22092467
>>22092471
kek you mind has been absolutely broken retarded low IQ tranny. I am screenshotting your hysterics so I can laugh in the future and also to show other atheistcucks how embarrassing your kind is.

>>22092498
nice wall of text tranny but no one is reading all that. you failed to respond me then I won. Now only thing to do is break you mind even more. Is that why you mother started sucking nigger dick? Having mentally ill son was probably what broke her kek.

>>22091603
Start with the greeks.

>>22092858
>>22092870
Thanks for spreading the word, trooper. You're completely correct in your assertions and I urge you to spread what I say as far as you can and every single day.

>Now only thing to do is break you mind even more

I disagree, I think you should consider me already broken and screenshot my walls of texts to other platforms as proof of (whatever you think has been going on).


Thanks! btw, what's your tinder profile? we should totally hook up - have you ever had your piss slit fucked with a thick length of metal?

>>22085558
It is good to see that Julian(pbuh) is getting popular

>>22085558
If I assume he's right, assuming it's made up to appeal to the childish part of us that loves fable it can still spread a divine organizing principle. That Christian societies were more successful suggests it did.
To establish a standard to judge a new idea the same standard must be applied to the older ideas you're defending so "counter-charges" have to be mentioned. Giving poetic license and benefit of doubt only to the position you're defending while attacking another position for the same thing destroys your argument before you begin.

>>22085558
CONCLUSION OF EXPERIMENT AFTER 24 HOURS:
HYPOTHESIS: CHRISTIANS HAVE ENGAGED IN OFF-TOPIC VERBAL ABUSE SINCE THE BEGINNING OF CHRISTIANITY
In which Christian Trolls on 4chan are presented with a request made in the 4th Century that they "must stick to the topic and not drag in irrelevant matter or accusations," the speaker highlights St Pauls assertions that his followers were "guilty of and cured of reviling others (and far worse),"

It was expected that Christians would reply with verbal abuse of these points, falling into the trap of proving the matter to be 'still' true of them today and through all time (possessing a common character defect ch leads them to this particular religion; that of extremely viceful temperament which they desire to maintain and not overcome), but it was considered that some may exercise restraint after noticing the trap - none did, demonstrating the predicted inability to control themselves from fulfilling their habituated programming. Behavior demonstrated here as more unconscious self-harming habit than conscious intent to be devious.

Some of the most egregious examples of verbal, emotional and psychological abuse,
>>22092870
>>22092858
>>22092366
>>22092364
>>22091135
>>22089369
>>22085663
>>22085582

22 participants, 3 friendly, 18 extremely hostile

No discussion occurred other than my own efforts, all of which was either ignored or responded to with extreme psychological abuse.

My more interesting on-topic contributions, for later notes,
>>22086692
>Most of the impetus of the christian-type begins from a position of heinous criminality which the religion serves to shield them against; the christian will never come to virtue as their faith relies upon them having the 'sin' to be saved from in the first place, they will never remedy the sin in themselves or in others in order to actually stop what they do

>>22086780
re: the keys of san pedro

>>22086984
>>22086990
>>22087006
the Virtues being put on a pedestal out of reach of Man by the Christian religion and taught as being unimportant by contrast to immortality after death; in which a Christian declares that "the goal of (practicing) Virtue is to become like God"

>>22089161
in which the actual argument made by FJ about St Pauls promise of baptism curing vice is explained for the benefit of the Christian, who considers virtue (in christians or anybody) so unlikely that it would be akin to a miracle.

>>22092471
>>22092498
>>22092511
my thoughts on the intricacies of why verbal abuse is a bad thing.

>>22093057
>>22093090
aw

lemme correct this: >>22093157
>22 participants, 3 friendly, 18 extremely hostile
24 participants, 5 friendly,18 extremely hostile

>To establish a standard to judge a new idea the same standard must be applied to the older ideas you're defending so "counter-charges" have to be mentioned.
That's a fair point, but it's clear what's being said, not that but "irrelevant matters" and that the participants must proceed "as in a court of law," i.e. to stick the subject, you don't defend yourself against the prosecution by verbally abusing the prosecution or the judge, you respond to refute the evidence and build a case for yourself; if you can't (due to be in the wrong and unwilling to accept guilt and do away with the bother of a trial) then perjury and contempt would likely be added to the prosecutions case.

>Giving poetic license and benefit of doubt only to the position you're defending while attacking another position for the same thing destroys your argument before you begin.
I agree, 1) the new idea is the christian one at this point in time, and 2) both sides would be guilty of this automatically: one dismisses the other as demonic and full of lies, so does other, but the other is capable of constructing a case with 'proofs' to support the claims and assertions.

>>22093202
>you don't defend yourself against the prosecution by verbally abusing the prosecution or the judge
If they aren't applying the same standards and refuse to acknowledge that while demanding a new standard never demanded before then there's nothing left but spitting in their faces.
Christians argued their case from the start and were generally martyred for it like Justin martyr.
Julian on the other hand, outraged that academia was becoming Christian banned the teaching of classics and Christian theology in the same schools, causing most of the ancient schools to become purely Christian institutions and creating a rift between the study of the classics and Christian thought in academia which was not previously there.
Plato basically spent like 500 years in exile after that and Christian traditions lost some of the connection to their roots.

>>22093090
>If I assume he's right, assuming it's made up to appeal to the childish part of us that loves fable it can still spread a divine organizing principle. That Christian societies were more successful suggests it did.
I would disagree with this on so many levels, the immediate context of how Julian even eneded up being elected emperor was following the paul catena incident where christians, not even 100 yrs after being allowed into office, had run amok wit show trials; abuse of their office, and really made a mess of things inciting revolts against their bad rulership; bolshevik style, across the then still in fact roman empire.

Obvious points, heavily condensed, include: that the roman empire fell apart when the christians came back and the foederati barbarians were put in charge of military affairs (losing all of egypt, north africa permanently and spain for many centuries), whilst the church was put in control of economic affairs; dispensing with hospitals, public sanitation, literacy, engineering and electoral government vanished, etc.

all strong proofs against a
> a divine organizing principle
and
>success

and we might bear in mind that it was pagan emperor diocletian who came up with the administrative model that the catholics and orthodox churches would follow; the diocese being half of the roman administrative model where the legion would have filled the other half (building roads, most if not all public work maintenance and construction, military affairs, citizenship ladder for voting and naturalization, etc.).

i know,i know, fedora points made for centuries, but absolutely factually correct at the same time.

>>22093222
>Julian on the other hand, outraged that academia was becoming Christian banned the teaching of classics and Christian theology in the same schools, causing most of the ancient schools to become purely Christian institutions
Yes I won't deny that this was a mistake. It didn't exactly last for very long however, since virtually everything he put into law was undone after his 3 yr reign; I can see the aim of the idea, to force the Christians to realize how empty their works were of all the useful things. It also ought be said that the ban on all pagan books occurred about a century after this, leading to the destruction of all of those books.

I don't see evidence of a great disconnect between the pagan and the christian at this point in time or for very long after, not in any real way, as the characater of Symmachos proves that pagans were influential and in court and, despite being attacked by christians over ideological reasonings, were doing good work nevertheless with imperial backing.

>a new standard never demanded before
That doesn't resemble the situation at all.

>Plato basically spent like 500 years in exile after that and Christian traditions lost some of the connection to their roots.
Perhaps the point was to demonstrate that the culture of the reformed Hebrew Religion had nothing to do with the intellectualization on part the educated tolerant Romans of Platos 'god' of Prime Cause, and that it was just after all a barbaran deity of genocide and bodily mutilation which had been conflated via sophistry.

i.e. all of those 'roots' in philosophy are Pagan Greeks, those aren't roots of anything that came out of Aelia Capitolina.

that is: if Christianity without Plato is nothing, then Plato is the bulk of the ideas that the Christians should be following and they shouldn't be calling themselves Christians at all but Platonists.

>>22093222
>>22093222
>Christians argued their case from the start and were generally martyred for it
The Romans, a pious people, had the christers killed for being atheists. And Julian wanted to ban them from giving or receiving classical education, not because "academia was becoming Christian" but because he felt they should rely on their own literature and not that of pagans. For the same reason he wanted to have the Jewish Temple rebuilt a third time—because he understood the arguments of the religion and how to undermine them. If Christians cannot borrow Plato, they can no longer speak a fanciful and philosophical language, cannot repupose the allegorical tradition of the pagan writers to match with their own texts, and thus limited to their shrieking and glossolalia will have greater difficulty converting elite educated persons. And if the Temple is standing their argument for abandoning Judaism (a number of Roman critics of Christianity understood it was a sort of revolt against that ancestral religion) is moot. But in going after the intellectual foundations of the religion he missed what the Japanese understood intuitively when confronted—that there was no way to argue with this adversary which thrives on its own death and on clandestine support and it needed to be actively guarded against. The old (pre-Meiji) requirement that all Japanese register themselves with a Buddhist temple dates to the suppression of christer missionary activity. The late Romans lacked this infrastructure and mindset, for paganism had no central authority linking all its disparate cults and shrines.

>>22093264
The dominant trend in Rome since Marius was about uplifting plebs to expand power. All the problems you blame on Christianity were already happening.
The kernel of truth in your post is Christianity is a huge part of this trend of uplifting the plebs, it's an evolution of the previously established trend, a more developed version of what Rome was already automatically doing.
At the height of the republic basically the state was the highest good. After taking even just Italy the idea of the state as the highest good was already breaking down and selfishness rising again, more expansion caused more sickness and nobody worships a sick dragon.
Despite its problems and despite perhaps hating Rome the entire world still saw they were doing something right. Focusing on the abstract organizing principles like the church fathers did is the obvious next step and one obvious product is nation states like Frankia.
>I don't like le Hebrew association
Academia is international and always was, Hebrews had an older memory than Greeks at the time. The same ancient myths informed all the schools and the web of influence never stops.
The church fathers appeal to Plato and the Bible. To understand their perspectives, even if to argue against them you have to have some understanding of the context they're operating in.
Around half of the guys considered "church fathers" were Greek philosophers more influenced by that tradition than anything Hebrew. The idea as stated by some of them was that Christianity was a condensed fruit of the philosophical tradition suitable for consumption by the masses, advanced ideas thought inaccessible except through deep study could be represented as what Julian calls "childish fables". An organizing principle that aligns with the greatest thinkers would be accessible by even the lowest plebs.

>>22093335
>how to undermine them
Everything you say is poison. You don't know how to build only destroy and project that instinct on anyone else.
>If Christians cannot borrow Plato,
If Einstein cannot "borrow" Maxwell, he can't do anything. This is a schoolbook example of intellectual dishonesty. The Jew is wrong because he's a Jew stealing sacred Scottish math?

>>22092858
It's actually pretty funny etymologically that you both accuse me of trannyism and hysteria

>>22093090
Is walmart also following a divine organizing principle to achieve their outstanding success?

>>22093307
>That doesn't resemble the situation at all.
Did Zeus really physically turn into a rapist swan? This is an important question to determine the legitimacy of Greek and Roman culture according to the standards anti-Christians apply to Christianity. This kind of thinking turns everything into nonsense and creates reactionary traditions with complex dogma about the precise physics behind how the swan was transubstantiated.

>>22093432
At least fix your meme retard. Chesty was Souf as fuck.

>>22093441
My meme? It's your meme now, you take responsibility.

>>22093394
>You don't know how to build only destroy and project that instinct on anyone else
you must have me confused with a Galilaean

>>22093436
As far as they're productive members of Christian society they're following the same divine principle. Much of their success is due to aligning with Christian society and norms to some degree, at least as far as generally avoiding stealing and murdering. The main principle they exploit above others is economics of scale, a product of valuing efficiency over local communities. It is the goal is efficiency then scale is the superior principle, aligned with divine and eternal truth. Walmart is a case of getting exactly what we asked the genie for.

>>22093394
>If Einstein cannot "borrow" Maxwell
No, you are dishonest. Christians claim that their gay little book is the only truth so they cannot just borrow from pagan philosophy to back up their thoughts. Julian wanted to show that without the backing of superior pagan philosophy Christianity doesn't worth much.

>>22093377
>Around half of the guys considered "church fathers" were Greek philosophers more influenced by that tradition than anything Hebrew.
Or more. That's the point being made here in this instance, that a very terrible cult with a ton of heinous claims is being smuggled in under the belly of Plato the lamb; like Odysseus into the Cyclops cave, it speaks about prime cause and love and so on, appealing to the tolerant reined upper classes but the common people take it absolutely literally and end up as highly paradoxical jew-hating quasi-hebrews. But this is more a point of the christanity of paul vs. the actual audience of who Jesus was talking to (a hebrew would have much to learn of their errors from jesus; the error of bodily mutilation and racial supremacism of the self-proclaimed chosen race, but a non-hebrew would only learn that the hebrew god in its barbaric culture is to be taken as 'one true god').

>The same ancient myths informed all the schools and the web of influence never stops.
There are some vast differences. This is probably irrelevant here as the Romans hadn't been practicing the Roman religion for a long time; having destroyed their own temples by inviting in foreign genital mutilation cults once before during the punic wars.

>"childish fables"
Well, here, the notion that a myth be taken as absolutely literal with no room for analogy is 'demanded' by Pauls christianity. When that notion goes into effect the brain is shut-down and a state of total enmity toward everything around it occurs; this is not the plurality of universal polytheism which recognizes commonality between Ares and Mars and has an allegorical understanding of the religious stories.

For a Roman to have a literalist perspective would be to say that the abduction of Proserpine wasn't an allegory for winter but a literal event. I don't think even educated children could have or would have held such a view of things. I know you probably agree with this, but then you as an intelligent person are at odds with the bulk of religious teaching which insists that the stories are literal and "if not" then the religion is worthless, as Paul says.

>Christianity is a huge part of this trend of uplifting the plebs,
With fantasy alone; making it sophistry for the destitute with no actionable plan for the world but only a promise after death, they gained nothing and lost everything in reality. I mean, the Roman Empire is gone and the standard of living or especially the ladder of merit where slaves could become emperors has never returned since.

The most educated elites in the west didn't even learn how to wash their hands again to stop disease until the late 1800's and this was bitterly fought against.

>>22093485
other way around pagantroon. Paganism is nothing and only exists because christians deemed some of it worthy of their consideration. Pagans achievement is obelsiks while christian space station and spliting of an atom.
>>22093394
kek christians built everything that is worth in this world. Maxwell was devout christian as well. Best pagans can do is build somemarle garbage that was also surprassed by christians. Imagine respecting pagancucks absolute most cucked religion there is.
>>22093222
when you stop samefaggin know this that your kind does not deserve a response because your kind is subhuman who deflects any good faith argument like a cuck OP did just now.
>>22093202
>>22093157
>>22092858
As for samefagging tranny here I have absolutely buck brocken him and even he admits that lmao.

Julian was such a cringy manchild. Gore Vidal simped for him because GV is a homosexual reprobate and a crypto-jew satanic-atheist, and even he couldn't make Julian's argument against Christ convincing.
>lmao guys this jesus story is so random and wtf is the trinity, it's so ridiculous
>so anyway i'm going to worship this pantheon of bloodthirsty sociopath gods with no substantiation except, "Fuck you, Dad!"

And yet this trite little midwit was wealthy and connected, and everyone worships at his grave. Such is the fruit of being born a nepo-baby with a circumcised jewish cock.

>>22093394
>>If Christians cannot borrow Plato,
>If Einstein cannot "borrow" Maxwell, he can't do anything.
as i said here: >>22093486
There is a vast difference between borrowing and gvin credit, and stealing and claiming the thing as your own.

Jesus does not credit Plato, nor do his disciples nor Paul, for any of their ideas. Much less do the Hebrew scriptures mention favorably the people around them that they borrowed some of their ideas and customs from; rather the demonize them, claim them to be monsters, claim credit for the notion and declare it to be the work of their tribal deity. Quite the opposite as Cyril, when attempting to refute Julian, declares that the Greeks learned everything they knew from Moses and stopped writing there.


More to the greater point however, as I'm sure you're not not Jewish, you as a Christian find yourself in the position of 'defending' what they have done because you believe their stories are true reports of the actions of the creator god of Prime Cause.

>>22093437
>Did Zeus really physically turn into a rapist swan
of course not, see: literalism vs allegory, or 'dogma vs. poems'.

In many respects the Greeks and Romans did not slavishly worship 'the gods' but viewed many of them as figures of fun, to be avoided rather than emulated. Even this remained a difficult point for Christians who held up terrible stories in 'old testament' and used them to justify heinous actions:

To compare,
You saw, for example, that when Tarquin abducted Lucretia that nobody rushed to his defense to claim his act was emulating of Hades and Proserpine and was therefore 'divine', quite the opposite, they kicked him out and established a Republic, demonstrating that they in those times anyway were not engaging in slavish worship of the mythologies in the manner that a person today thinks is 'proper'.

>>22093057
he was always a seething pagantranny, larping killed him at the end.

>>22093522
Q: What is the difference between Julian and Caracalla?
A: About 150 years

>>22093521
>Jesus does not credit Plato
why should he. He credits old testament as he should. Gayreeks are only good for sodomy.

>>22093516
>Pagans achievement is obelsiks while christian space station and spliting of an atom.
your english is terrible, you tranny obsessed poltroon.

lay off the monster energy drinks and the prozac and go away, adults are speaking and your 3rd class citizens contributions are unwanted by any side of the discussion.

>>22093526
irrelevant response

>>22093529
>your english is terrible
irrelevant pleddit tranny.
Nice non arguments btw cuck

>>22093516
>christian space station and spliting of an atom
these are achievements of liberal bourgeois anglo-bug society, not Christianity, and have done nothing but damage the belief in God among those who invented them

>>22093485
>Christians claim that their gay little book is the only truth
That's not an honest representation of what the church fathers said. You're replying to educated men appealing to ideas from a wide array of sources including Greek ones and saying they're not allowed to communicate their ideas using the context the ideas came to be in.
>explain to me x
>using no terms except x
This is unbelievably deranged. Reminder that all of this deranged dishonesty is in service of defending the censorship of the classic tradition you claim to value.
>a non-hebrew would only learn that the hebrew god in its barbaric culture is to be taken as 'one true god'
This predicts a history that didn't happen.
>There are some vast differences.
Not relevant to the point that ideas are built on ideas, internationally. You apply a different standard than in the Einstein/Maxwell example for no reason. You're not reasonable.
>genital mutilation cults
Christianity is still today reducing genital mutilation in the world. The notable exception is America which is also the exception you base your entire worldview and view of all history on.
>the notion that a myth be taken as absolutely literal with no room for analogy is 'demanded' by Pauls christianity
Not according to Justin or I think any of the other church fathers.
>then you as an intelligent person are at odds with the bulk of religious teaching which insists that the stories are literal and "if not" then the religion is worthless, as Paul says
The bulk of religious teaching say no such thing, the notable exception is again America. Paul says Jesus must really have transcended death, he does not ever come close to promoting burger style literalism.
>There is a vast difference between borrowing and gvin credit, and stealing and claiming the thing as your own.
There's also a difference between using terms you're familiar with to describe something you're unfamiliar with and stealing. Einstein could have developed the idea of reference frames like elevators feeling like gravity intuitively and then used Maxwell to formalize it and incorporate it into the existing tradition.
>you as a Christian find yourself in the position of 'defending'
I value the truth and despise you dishonest retards undermining general understanding of human history for petty political reasons.

>>22093532
>i dont know shit and jack about history so...uhhhhh,..... you arent allowed to post! i win!!!
pagantranny seething

meanwhile the Holy Spirit helps me write my manuscripts and laughs when I convince another troon to 41%.

>>22093377
on the topic of "the plebs" I'd like to draw your attention to this rabid deranged animal who has followed you into the forum,
>>22093528
>>22093522
>>22093516
please speak to it before I have it tortured to death for its many many many many unprovoked insults and disruption to our discussion. If you refuse to acknowledge this sneering example of 'your side' and account for it, then you are just as guilty as it is ultimately.

How can this animal be? sincere question.

As I said, >>22093486
>the notion that a myth be taken as absolutely literal with no room for analogy is 'demanded' by Pauls christianity. When that notion goes into effect the brain is shut-down and a state of total enmity toward everything around it occurs;
> a very terrible cult with a ton of heinous claims is being smuggled in under the belly of Plato the lamb; like Odysseus into the Cyclops cave
>appealing to the tolerant reined upper classes but the common people take it absolutely literally and end up as highly paradoxical jew-hating quasi-hebrews.
> a non-hebrew would only learn that the hebrew god in its barbaric culture is to be taken as 'one true god'

examples of people like this ..'people' ... are unfortunately the strongest proof for me as to why eradicating the religion is an imperative to able discussion in the public forum to occur, and to prevent the less mentally fortified from being psychologically assaulted by these.. heathen cretins and their dribbling excrement.

>>22093554
>the Holy Spirit helps me write my manuscripts and laughs when I convince another troon to 41%.

the praetorians are very slow this time of the day. just wait there for a few minutes in silence.

>>22093554
I am not a pagantranny. I think you responded someone else

>>22093577
ni****fa****

>>22093538
that civilization was christians still. And people who accomplished those things were also christians your cope is worhtless deflection.

>>22093559
wtf are you talking about retarded troon. Are you talking about your axe wound? I already showed your hysterics to one and we had a great laugh.

>>22093582
you can just admit being a pagantroon

>>22093521
>In many respects the Greeks and Romans did not slavishly worship 'the gods' but viewed many of them as figures of fun, to be avoided rather than emulated. Even this remained a difficult point for Christians who held up terrible stories in 'old testament' and used them to justify heinous actions:
>To compare,
>You saw, for example, that when Tarquin abducted Lucretia that nobody rushed to his defense to claim his act was emulating of Hades and Proserpine and was therefore 'divine', quite the opposite, they kicked him out and established a Republic, demonstrating that they in those times anyway were not engaging in slavish worship of the mythologies in the manner that a person today thinks is 'proper'.
You really don't see the blatant double standard? Even Julian was all about emulating myths that clearly weren't meant to be emulated, larping. His larping dealt the biggest blow to the tradition he claimed to value in history.
>>22093559
>on the topic of "the plebs" I'd like to draw your attention to this rabid deranged animal who has followed you into the forum,
He's your cousin in blood and thought, not mine. This creature is yours since Julian. After pious Europeans tried to restore some semblance of Christianity he fled to the new world and created a federation of illiterate cults. This federation was later co-opted by the same lizard people or whatever that control your mind.

>>22093596
that faggot would deflect and start posting incoherent gibberish wall of text. That's his way of coping after getting btfo.

>>22093516
>kek christians built everything that is worth in this world.
Yes, they are responsible for all of the terrible things. Your use of the word 'tranny' in this thread in nearly every response is telling of your own mentality; your posts are fragmentary, unanchored to anything said and extremely deranged so I presume you to be a cum-brain o prozac who is probably going to masturbate to tgirl porn and repent afterwards.


Historically, however, you have so much in common with your cult shack squatters:

You were kissing the slit of a eunuch and arguing how bad it was to have sex with women from the very beginning.


also, please stop speaking in broken english, it's very offensive to speak like this to the society who is sheltering you from another rabid theocracy which your family has correctly fled with you to escape from, for lacking the ability to military put down such disorganized animals.

>>22093553
> what the church fathers said.
Because they are coping since day one, looks like the way, the truth, and the life wasn't enough without Platonic and Aristotelian backing. That is what Julian tried to show. Christians should admit finally that their philosophy is empty, and Jerusalem has nothing to do with Athens.

>>22093615
>Yes, they are responsible for all of the terrible things.
no that's atheistcucks
>Your use of the word 'tranny' in this thread in nearly every response
it works because it makes you butblasted.
> your posts are fragmentary, unanchored to anything said and extremely deranged
so I have immitated you well good.
>You were kissing the slit of a eunuch
I am not a pagancuck whose god are literal troons though keep projecting.
> it's very offensive
you can go back
>who is sheltering you from another rabid theocracy which your family has correctly fled with you
what is this weird projection? I live where my ancestors lived for thousadn years I am not a rootles faggot like you.
>Because they are coping since day one
nice headcannon tranny

>>22093628
to this faggot post as well>>22093622

>>22093584
I am fine with having "deflected" your "deflection" as I wasn't interested in having a video-game-mentality driven discussion about which religion gives you the best production and science stats. If your best argument for Christianity against Julian is nazi rocketry and Jewish relativity you are probably an actual retard and I should by your own system of ethics pity you

>>22093635
> I wasn't interested in having a video-game-mentality
because you realized that was a loosing argument and now you jumped ship like a coward.
>nazi rocketry
who was christian as was 95% Germany.
> Jewish relativity
it was not relativity that split an atom retard and that relativity was based on christian works that also build on it deriving nuclear energy.

>>22093622
>Because they are coping since day one
A claim is presented and your response is that a different claim is being presented. This stops you from even taking the first step on the road to thinking, which is considering alternate premises.
>I know Einstein is coping because he has to use Maxwell to explain his idea to me, if he can't explain his idea without building up a context using ideas I'm familiar with he's wrong and coping
This is the same logical structure you're presenting. You rely completely on not applying any standard honestly, you don't really deserve any reply but a spit in the face.

>>22093642
There's no ship to jump here. If Christianity is such an enormous stat boost then when are all the African and Latin American countries going to develop orbital nukes and crush the vile atheists of the north? And why did all these achievements by the "Christian" societies happen well after Westphalia, after Christianity was told it could do no more than obey secular authority?

>>22093596
>You really don't see the blatant double standard?
I don't. One cult is insisting it insisting it's evil stories the literal truth of the creator god of the universe, and the other is not. I'm suspect of anybody would who compare allegory to the inquisition and declare them to be at all similar.

The Romans, for another example, had been crucifying and stamping those very bad cults for a long time. Baal of the Carthaginians and baby sacrifice, etc. was resolved by crucifying 100 of their priests in roughly the same year as Jesus was crucified.

It's kind of..fucking weird.. that we were made to venerate a crucified man, with that taken into account. It should be the symbol of liberty and the end of evil theocracy and primitive superstition.

>>22093596
>>on the topic of "the plebs" I'd like to draw your attention to this rabid deranged animal who has followed you into the forum,
>He's your cousin
an unconvincing out.

What if he's the norm for Christians? I mean, I've probably enountered 10,000 people like him on here in a decade or so. I certainly think he's the norm for Christians, in that he represents the vast bulk of the ignorant animals in such a society who revel in vicious abuse, claim to be holy and pious and then claim persecution when you start culling them.

My point was in the green text here: >>22093559
that 'you' have a refined view of the religion, but the bulk lunatic in the street who represent you in the majority is a lone psychopath whose death would only benefit the society around him.

Plato as the lamb. it's a good metaphor.

>>22093661
>There's no ship to jump here
there is you are on one.
>If Christianity is such an enormous stat boost then when are all the African and Latin American countries
because latins were christian less then 500 years and african barely 100 and even now it's barely one with all that vodoo shit.
>happen well after Westphalia
much of the achievements happened before it.
>Christianity was told it could do no more than obey secular authority?
that's not what happened and even then most educational institutions and universities were still under christian governance.
I love schooling low IQ gremlins like you.

>>22093676
>low IQ
ah so there are other ingredients in "science" after all, and the emptying out of higher IQ populations from your churches should prove my theory and not yours

>>22093674
>The Romans, for another example, had been crucifying and stamping those very bad cults
because they were bad cults themselves. Who dishonestly overlooked their own human
sacrifices. That's why they were stamped out because their religion was trash.
your point has been shattered and love how you didn't even address his points. Dishonest cuck like you needs to be executed in the streets. you also did what I said you would kek.

>>22093686
IQ can be changed. It's the culture that creates high IQ population otherwise chinese would not be stagnant worthless civilization, japanes would not be primitives on the rock until christians civilized them and norse would have written anything down before year 1000 other then their names.

>>22093694
>It's the culture that creates high IQ population
how bootstrapping of you, but I suppose you believe things are uncaused anyway

>>22093658
>A claim is presented and your response is that a different claim is being presented.
Your previous argument only works if you stop considering the biblical teaching which is that their teaching is the sole truth. Maybe you should use your head a little bit, instead of hiding your weak arguments behind high and mighty arrogant language. You try to make this weird connection with scientific development which doesn't work. Scientific or even pagan ideas were continuously built upon each other, it was very rare for someone in these fields to claim that their truth is the only one worth considering.

>>22093698
>how bootstrapping of you
try again but with less gibberish. I know you have very low IQ and making coherent sentences is hard but I am a patient man so now a counter argument please?

>>22093699
you didn't even get what he was saying retarded mongrel

>>22093688
seethe tranny cuck

>>22093711
kek romans worshipped tranny gods you subhuman pagancuck. They also had tranny emperors and worshipped them and their faggot lovers. Skinning fagans on the streets of Rome was the best thing that happend.

>>22093724
kek attacks from subhuman faggot cucks who worship a jewish trannys are hilarious kek kek

>>22093737
>jewish tranny
kek unlike you there are no trannies worshipped in abrahamic religions.
Why do you love you tranny gods so much? Did your cuck emperor forced you to worship his fag lover?

>>22093661
Early Rome had bigger "stat boosts" in terms of raw power but it didn't have a universal principle, you couldn't give that power to anyone.
>What if he's the norm for Christians?
The things burgers say have nothing to do with the history of Christianity. They never heard of any of it so they can't be part of that story. I've seen the subversion of history happening globally my entire life and I'm not saying that because I presupposed some idea of Christianity or media control beforehand, I thought of myself as le skeptic as a child.
We have the national tradition and the associated stories which all make complete sense and then we have the nonsense on American media they demand is the authoritative definition of anything Christian. When I looked up the church fathers they also made complete sense. 20 years ago the Christians here made fun of the burgers ruthlessly, now both traditions are mixed into one useless pc mess full of women. The kids grow up with the media version and never even look into the actual history so the meaning of the word Christianity becomes completely subverted.

>>22093702
>a culture has to be developed (intelligent) in order to have measurable intelligence (IQ)
This is basically what you've implied, but in no way is it clear how Christianity plays any role here in boosting intelligence, nor has it been clear anywhere else how being Christian leads to space stations and nuclear weapons as specifically Christian technologies. You are just doing what the OG christtrannies did and saying they invented everything, even Platonism, because there's nobody on your team who knows how to even argue anymore, because no intelligent people are advocating for tardlarping. Now if it really is the case that a smart culture creates smart people, you need to already have a smart culture, whatever that might mean, to get those people. So Christianity, which today is most robust among those populations who score worst on intelligence, is not looking too good. Unless we're going to say Christianity can make you smarter, and that smart people actually create a smart culture and not the other way around... But we have the same problem, that you've merely asserted this, and we have evidence to the contrary ITT, that you are retarded, and so why should we take your ideological program seriously if you are its cultural output?

>>22093741
kek catholic church was making eunuch lovers for its priests up until the 1940s kek kek when they couldn' get ahold of little rightuous vrtous virginal working class innocent widdle widdle european boys to suck them off kek kek

>>22093699
>the biblical teaching which is that their teaching is the sole truth
This is a misrepresentation but I'll work from it as a premise since you're wrong on every level. Even if x is the sole truth I still have to build up a context using concepts you're familiar with to communicate it to you.

>>22093756
it's pretty clear because christians actually created those institution and universtities that created the ground work for future inventions. Christians also invented scientific theory. Pagans were only good in idle philosophizing and nothing more. Their thinking didn't affect secular powers and empires as a whole. You pagantrannies love to say that Roman empire was your achievement when it's not true. Keep dilating.

>>22093763
>making eunuch lovers for its priests
source?
>innocent widdle widdle european boys to suck them off kek kek
that's pagan mythology though why are you projecting subhuman paagntranny? Why don't you offer sacrifice to you gay god? lmao

>>22093741
>no trannies worshipped in abrahamic religions.
Apart from Jesus who is trans; being neither of this world nor that, and apart from the Eunuchs who are Eunuchs.

Also! Did you not read the part in the bible where the followers of St Paul are explained by St Paul to be homosexuals?
>>neither idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men,
>>And of this ye are not ignorant, brethren, that such were you

for the translation that means they were flamboyant fairies who were following this guy, trannies and faggots with working mens cum on their breath.

But it's okay! They had the baptism and were cured of all that, just like you were cured of being a reviling psychopath when you were dunked in the bird bath that one time.

>>22093768
Ah yes all those smart people who became celibate priests and monks, who removed their genes from the next generation... It's really a wonder "Christian" societies succeeded at all, the raw materials must have been so rich as to allow for even handicaps to be overcome. But according to you its all about Jesus. So let us see how this plays out today. I am sure we can expect the cure for cancer to be perfected in Lagos

>>22093779
>pagan mythology
The well-documented vast on-going history of sex crimes of the Catholic Church from 1900 to 2023 are "pagan mythology".

That's.. fucking.. so bad.. hahahaaha.. you are just here to make christian look bad aren't you... (thanks keep it up)

>>22093783
> Jesus who is trans
source
why are you dishonest tranny?
is your wound causing delusions?
where does it say that they were homosexuals?
>for the translation that means they were flamboyant fairies
no that's your homo delusions.
Nigger you gods are literal troons why are you deflecting?

>>22093788
>sex crimes of the Catholic Church
so something that is universally condemned?
What about sex crimes that zeus did literal god you dihinest tranny worshipper?

>>22093787
>who removed their genes from the next generation
why should that matter? I already explained that culture creates high IQ population. Are you too retarded to follow? but you are pagancuck so you must be.

>>22093804
If culture creates intelligence how are the low IQ residual Christian populations going to manage? If anything being "Chinese" or "Californian" must be the best religion if we want to boost our stats, but that would involve state anti-religion.

>>22093814
> If anything being "Chinese" or "Californian" must be the best religion
why would that be a case both are stagnant civilization that have not accomplished anything more then copying their betters. I can't even think a new invention of 21 century.

>>22093788
Have you looked into the data? I haven't so I wouldn't use it as a basis for thought but I heard despite all this publicity about catholics a given child is statistically ten times more likely to be abused in other, secular institutions.
If that's true is the catholic pedo meme you're regurgitating honest? You never notice when you reinforce propaganda like this? There's no intuitive recognition that this doesn't really originate from you?

>>22093794
>>22093799
>you dihinest
>you gods
>paagn
rofl sperglord mad brah KEK KEK


Like I told you earlier, Brother Thomas, you need to stop mixing the monster with the prozac, and go and masturbate to gay pornography and repent afterwards - just enjoy your masochistic kink for what it is with the text-abuse-foreplay on here with unwilling parties.

>>22093842
yes I type fast and make bunch of typos. Could not care less on an imageboard.
>go and masturbate to gay pornography
I don't pray in pagan. You managed to make 0 arguments after been buttblasted.

>>22093831
>gobbledegook gobblegook (emoitnal plea foreason and mercy after pages of verbalabuse)
Nigger wut pls

that fucking goonshow just claimed the sex abuse of the catholic church is pagan mythology. He's fair game for the boys in the general population now when he gets out of protective custody.

>Have you looked into the data?
Yes

>Have you looked into the data? I haven't
Shut your mouth then you retard.

>>22093861
>>gobbledegook gobblegook (emoitnal plea foreason and mercy after pages of verbalabuse)
for everyone looking this is state of arguments this pagancuck makes after getting exposed but still expects good faith arguments. Let this be a lesson to not argue with a pagan becasue they are spiritual troons. WHat you should do when you see then in open is slit their thorat like what happened in the past. They are very bad fighters and suck everything they do it would be a mercy really.

>>22093861
>Have you looked into the data?
And the data says that kids are more likely to be abused in Catholic as opposed to other similar environments for kids? Can you point me to the data you're referencing? I've seen some but clearly not whatever you're referencing if it exists.
>Shut your mouth then you retard.
Explain yourself retard. Are you being honest? Then fucking back up your outrageous claims.

>>22085558
Christians don't exist retard.

>>22093615
>You were kissing the slit of a eunuch and arguing how bad it was to have sex with women from the very beginning.
Christians had children, how many do you have?

>>22093875
pagantranny can't be honest. It's in their nature.

>>22093853
>arguments
I'm just having a bit fun with you, girlyboy. You're very punchable, and thanks or proving the OP case with your spiritual energy (read: mental illness) to call people a tranny in defense of jesus

LET'S UPDATE THE LISSSSSSST >>22093157
>Some of the most egregious examples of verbal, emotional and psychological abuse,
ADDENDUM!

>>22093853
>>22093799
>you dihinest tranny worshipper
>>22093794
>>22093779
>>22093741
>>22093737
>>22093688
>Dishonest cuck like you needs to be executed in the streets
>>22093628
>I have immitated you
>>22093614
>incoherent gibberish
>>22093593
>retarded troon.
>>22093554
>meanwhile the Holy Spirit helps me write my manuscripts and laughs when I convince another troon to 41%.
(i.e. reveling in cyberbullying people to get them to commit suicide)
>>22093536
>rrelevant pleddit tranny.
>>22093528
>Gayreeks are only good for sodomy.
>>22093522
>a seething pagantranny,
>>22093519
>GV is a homosexual reprobate and a crypto-jew satanic-atheist
>a nepo-baby with a circumcised jewish cock.
>>22093516
>samefagging tranny here I have absolutely buck brocken him
>somemarle

>yes I type fast and make bunch of typos.


A case study of total mind virus (and obvious prozac abuse).

>>22093825
>I can't even think a new invention of 21 century.
case dismissed, the defendant is unfit to stand trial

>>22093894
kek massreplies but does not respond just greentextes kek.
You are not even trying tranny. You seem to have lost a plot. Even more now then at the start. You just admitted being btfo and all you can do is seethe.

>>22093898
yes waiting for an counter argument. I can dismiss you for being a retard though.

>>22093875
>Have you looked into the data? I haven't
>>Shut your mouth then you retard.
>Explain yourself retard.
you really as dumb as shit.

>>22093884
>can't be honest. It's in their nature.
what would be the cause of your nature? >>22093894
hm.

>>22093870
>this is state of arguments this pagancuck makes after getting exposed but still expects good faith arguments.
GOOD FAITH XD
super kek

>>22093909
>you really as dumb as shit.
no rebuttal so very pagantranny of you.
>what would be the cause of your nature?
honesty unlike pagancuckery
>GOOD FAITH XD
you are losing more and more arguemnents. People are laughing at you.

>>22093909
>you really as dumb as shit.
I gave you an easy way to lie and you jumped on it. Why are you lying about having looked into things you clearly haven't?

>>22093900
>kek massreplies but does not respond just greentextes kek.
>You are not even trying tranny. Y
You think I'm replying to you? braindamaged fucking xd

I'mmaking a note of all of your verbal abuses for the record, so when I come back to this thread weeks later to screencap for the text evidence of psychopathy on anon messageboards I don't have to waste too much time.It's funny for the readers as well obviously

>You just admitted being btfo and all you can do is seethe.
All you've done is interrupt a discussion and tell people they're trannys and repeate random pejoratives to disrupt the thread. You've confirmed the case in the OP in literally eve single response since you arrive and you're too high or low IQ to even care so.. I've not been having any argument with you at all.

I've reported you a few times for abuse and violation of law for the suicide thing, obviously janitors don't care so whatever. That's a proof of their negligence of course, which is helpful to the greater case against anon messageboards.

TLDR
thread ended way back here >>22093157

ohhh ikr too many words u can't read ohoho
>inconhearent gibberesh
>why dnt u respund to my pointh
>dishinist trannypaganatheism
>hahaa my caflick frend on dsicord says im well funny

>>22093937
>>22093914
Honestly psycho, I couldn't imagine how warped a human brain would have to be to sit here pretending all of these things. I feel very sorry for your mother, sincerely. You sound like a burden.

>>22093944
>You think I'm replying to you?
I know you are not because you can't. You are too retarded to do that pagancuck.
>All you've done is interrupt a discussion and tell people they're trannys
you thread was shit from the beggining. You didn't even respond my post and staarted rambling because you were out of arguments.
>I've reported you a few times for abuse and violation
holy plebbit. Thanks another in the screenshot. From now on we will know pagantrannies are nothing but wannabe jannicucks.
That guy was not be btw.
thread ended when you failed to argue and got btfo keep coping.

>>22093951
>I couldn't imagine how warped a human brain would have to be
you can look in the mirror. You mother should have raised you instead of consuming bbc.

>>22093951
You could simply point me to some general direction where I might find the data you're talking about. Why blatantly lie? How would that benefit you in any way?

>>22093944
>I've reported you a few times for abuse and violation of law for the suicide thing, obviously janitors don't care so whatever.
I wonder why you're the subject of said verbal abuse. What a mystery.

>>22093952
>I know you are not because you can't
What's to reply to seriously in anytting you've said so far? What's been on topic? You're just squealing with glee and telling people they're trannies, atheists, cucks, etc, which is baseless projection from your own sexuality, since there's no connection to that in anything that's been said here. Before you got here obviously lol

Link one post of yours in this thread that didn't follow this pattern. I'm still here a bit apparently so if you can find it, I'll see what you had to say kek

>>22094000
fuck off cunt. You attack the person defending themselves from barrages of unprovoked abuse then take the attackers side when the person defends themselves?

and you wonder why people in your society snap and commit mass shootings lol

if only they could find you guys directly and not waste the bullets. you know what i mean, cowardly cunts hahah


>>not only the Galilaeans of our day but also those of the earliest time, those who were the first to receive the teaching from Paul, were men of this sort, is evident from the testimony of Paul himself in a letter addressed to them.
>>the following are the very words that Paul wrote concerning those who had heard his teaching, and were addressed to the men themselves : "Be not deceived : neither idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And of this ye are not ignorant, brethren, that such were you also; but ye washed yourselves, but ye were sanctified in the name of Jesus Christ."
>>Do you see that he says that these men too had been of such sort?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oliq8m8Qph0 the psycho troll

In my opinion these people should be hunted down, shamed in the press and thrown into prison. And if society doesn't work, then I'm happy to murder them by scores.

wonder where they go when they leave the house

>>22094115
kek seether returned. the fact that you don't even know speaks volumes. My posts are wht you deserved after failing to make a counter argument pagancuck.
>fuck off cunt. You attack the person defending themselves
nice victim complex. it seems you are what you blame others to be little cuck.
You exposed yourself not only as a plebbit cuckbut also as a retarded faggot.

>>22094133
> then I'm happy to murder them by scores.
post an address little cucky let's check how much you can do. Pagancucks usually suck in fighting or winning wars.

>>22094141
>>22094150
>post an address little cucky
Sure, you sound like a brit from your mental illness. You know how to get to Euston station? I go through there every once or twice a week.

>>22094325
post a timestamp. Little cucky.

>>22094331
lol wtf i grew up trolling and baiting idiots to show up at random places, how do i know you're going to be anywhere? post something substantial. not interested in having you swat me like a prick.

no joke tho, I will do everything i promised to you, twisting off your fingers and snapping your arms, etc. iv'e got a lot of anger stored up from dealing with you christcucks this long.

>>22094348
>lol wtf i grew up trolling and baiting idiots to show up at random places
kek I knew you were too much of a cuck to do anything.
>post something substantial. not interested in having you swat me like a prick.
you first, also nice way out. Don't talk too much shit if you are gonna cuck out.
I am waiting for a timestamp cucky.

>>22094355
oh yeah dumb idea really, neither of us will go first hahahaha

>timestamp
timestamp, you're on fucking internet too much. you mean a date and a time i think.

Well, look, one day I'm going to go hunting down incels who look and speak like the guy in at youtube video, because dealing with people like you and getting nowhere with the authorities has just made me snap. Hopefully by luck I happen across you or at least someone who thinks and acts like you.

I guess that's the best we can do at the moment.

>>22094355
good noight closet tranny kek kek

>>22094379
thanks for admitting being a cuck, but that what pahgancucks are in nature.
No I mean a literall timestamp of you next to a landmark.
I am already hunting down pagancucks. THey always squeal like pigs.
>>22094383
nice projection open troon

>>22094393
>No I mean a literall timestamp of you next to a landmark.
hahahaha wtf did anyone ever give you this?

>I am already hunting down pagancucks.
I hope thats true. I'd love to read about some inbred mangled-looking dsygen turning up busted after getting jumped by a shortarse vikingLARPer

go forth christcuck, for jesus and the god of the jews!

>>22094411
never asked.
Vikinglarpers can't fight, pagancucks are very weak even weaker then they were in the past, but that's what you get for worshipping women.
God of the jews strangled streetshitting troon gods you love so much.

This is the single worst thread I've ever seen on /lit/. Congrats, OP.

>>22094424
>Vikinglarpers can't fight,
sure they can. They were facefucking the anglo-saxons for like four centuries because their soft lefty liberal kinds were too afraid of "arming men" to field any soldiers.

>pagancucks are very weak even weaker then they were in the past, but that's what you get for worshipping women.
God of the jews strangled streetshitting troon gods you love so much.
What exactly do you think I 'believe'? Curious who or what you think you're talking to - other than the old cucking tranny label, which is stupid. If I was an American tho, sure.

>>22094444
kek those were not larpers retard. Even then they got buck brocken by a single sick man, and completely buck brocken by his children including woman kek.
you believe some form of paganism most likely of IE origin. Even if you are an atheistcuck that makes no difference to me.

>>22094454
>IE
what is this?

and while we're talking nicely now,
>brocken
what is this dialect?

>>22094471
Indo-european

>>22094478
>indo-european
Oh, indigenous european as opposed to your foreign heathen alien hebrew? hahaha yeah maybe technically

I don't really care what people believe so long as they're serious about virtue and display virtue, etc., my main issue with you 'christians' comes back to this point all the time, of the incongruity of being a cunt. But that's trivial. Really I dislike that no christian or pagan i've ever encountered has been able or willing to subject themselves to martial discipline and develop a mentality like my own, which is largely a reconstruction of Roman Stoicism of the age of Lucius Sulla; the emotionless state of being that can cheerfully stab 50 men in battle and not develop PTSD afterwards.

The problem is that you have a soft view of virtue; not realizing that virtue is the vital martial discipline to field men who won't rob and rape, you don't realize that Virtus is embodied in the throat-slitting knife held by the Legate of a Legion and that it is entirely virtuous to cut the throat of a viceful barbarian, for instance.

Whereas your people, inspired by nihilism in false hope of life after death (which is an old sin in universal paganism), fear to train men in these things and have chaotic societies which are paradoxically warlike yet intellectually incapable of making anything of themselves at the same time.

I have studied lots and lots of religions, and in the christian sense you should consider me to be an instrument of god (there is a specific term for this which i've long forgotten), carrying out his will, even though I profess things which seem to be against that god, since the god moves all things all the time.

Anyway, now that we're friends and all, care to join my cult?

>>22094582
it's as indigenous as christianity is to americas.
I don't join pagancuckoldry

>>22085558
The martyrs is proof enough it's Divine for me. May they pray for us sinners.

CHRIST IS KING!

>>22094766
>anything people are willing to die for is true
Islam it is then

>>22094766
"hello, my name is justin the martyr, i bet you can guess what my claim to fame is!"
"did you invent a great thing, justin? did you do something comparable to serious human?"
"haha, no, i was unjustly killed by the state!"

>>22094115
>fuck off cunt. You attack the person defending themselves from barrages of unprovoked abuse then take the attackers side when the person defends themselves?
The entire thread is a dishonest attack. You're not "polite", you're a cancerous liar. All you deserve is to be spat on.

>>22094325
Notice how you both think alike? You're pretty much the same person.

>>22094766
Inshallah

>>22093642
>who was christian as was 95% Germany

Yes; besides; the big bang theory is created by a priest; and the first nuclear reactor build in the world are created by a italian catholic; kek.

>>22094993
retarded comparission.

>>22095487
>>22094829
same god

>>22093799
Zeus wasn't meant as a role model but a lord, and attempting to imitate him was hubris and would be punished both by man and the gods.

>>22096221
irrelevant when you still worship him and sacrifice to his name while he fucks your wife.

>>22096266
Oh, you mean like with YHWH and Mary?

>>22085558
>fabrication of the Galilaeans is a fiction of men composed by wickedness
>bro give up your worldly possesions and travel with me
>stop killing your neighbors
>nooo thats wicked!!!
Kek no one can honestly be so butthurt over Christianity like a pagan is.

>>22095479
>Notice how you both think alike?
I actually agree with this. The most effective opponent to you is someone exactly like you but differing on some small thing. It's a good lesson.

>>22095465
>The entire thread is a dishonest attack.
Only if you're coming from a position of dissonance. I mean, if was seriously a christian, way back when, I would realize that if 1) i had no argument 2) the christians around me were confirming the case 3) i would be forced to commit sin in order to hang on to my beliefs, then I would realize the case was correct. i.e. i wouldn't be spitting bile at the speaker but asking them for more information.

tmm. it 'proves' the vicefulness of the postion; or "you" prove the vicefulness of the position, having low character, etc.

>>22096057
american english.
retarded = super high IQ
misnomer, pejorative.

>>22095487
allah hu akbar

>Only if you're coming from a position of dissonance. I mean, if was seriously a christian, way back when, I would realize that if 1) i had no argument 2) the christians around me were confirming the case 3) i would be forced to commit sin in order to hang on to my beliefs, then I would realize the case was correct. i.e. i wouldn't be spitting bile at the speaker but asking them for more information.
In the same frame of thinking, 'most' christians in their literary history do this to the subjects; grossly misrepresent their political opponents or innocent doctors as literal actual demons for instance,presenting very tenuous contrived non-arguments and declaring their weak sophistry to have been equal to a refutation.

Probably every christian detractor knew this from the start of the thread, of course, realizing the implications.

I believe that Christ is king. God bless everyone here

>>22096535
Christ was born upon a cracker
in the mind of Lady Garrett
but being irreligious
she merely fed it to her parrot,

The parrot puffed its wings at once
and emulated Jesus,
it flew off to the nearest church
and did things that would please us:

It assaulted all the priests
and overthrew the collection plates,
"sell your hats and coats, ladies,
before it is too late,
buy guns from the local armory
for this world is at its end,"
and everybody ran away
as they did in Jerusalem.

>>22096275
Mary was not fucked that was an entire point

>>22096402
you are digging pagancuck level hole mister spectrum

>>22096839
According to the local contemporary sources, she had sex with Roman soldier named Pantera, who was probably black, and Jesus was a mulatto; explaining why despite all the nice things he was saying that the racial supremacist Jews rejected him - probably had never seen a black person before, and in the manner genetically exhibited by white people for centuries, believed he was a magical being.

bibble sauces:
>hair like wool
>feet like bronze

>>22096870
>>(off topic ad hominem, equating pure logos with mental disability)
>>(same guy as responsible for most uses of: tranny, cuck, pagan in this thread and on this website in general)

>>22086552
Yes, there is just one God regardless of however many measurements we make of Him.

>>22096940
>According to the local contemporary sources
according to Talmud tranny. It's nice that you are mask off now pagancuck.
>who was probably black
just because you father was one does not mean every single father was a nigger. I know pagancucks love sucking bbc like their cuck gods do but still.
>>hair like wool
>feet like bronze
dishonesty is in the filthy soul of the pagantroon.
>>>(off topic ad hominem
you mother called me yesterday after jizzed in her throat last week, Is that what prompted you to make this thread?

>>22097859
>(off topic, ad hominem, verbal abuse)

>according to Talmud tranny. It's nice that you are mask off now pagancuck.
yes yes, I already have been well ware that the christians on 4chan are neo-nazis who believe in the jewish conspiracy to explain why their piss poor christian societies are always in a mess and they're led by sex perverts and petty criminals.

I used to think like this when I was younger as well. It's easy defection away from self and the faults of the family and it's propagandized into us by the society.

>father
>mother
Well I know for sure you were messed up by your parents, nobody spends years locked into delusional projection onto strangers on the internet (i.e. make-pretend in fantasy and not exploring reality itself) that they are (latest buzzword).

You haven't mentally moved from the position of a 6yr old and more than likely from your stonewall persistence you're maintaining your psychosis by pharmacological assistance.

rhyme not intended haha

NICE JOB BTW confessing to being a neo-naz troll, way to make christian defenders look good hahahaha but thanks for the honesty 200 posts later

>>22097859
the main problem with the jews is that they aren't honest, they just attack without explanation, and spend all their time hammering home lies about the people they dislike to the point that first they brainwash themselves and then attempt to do so to others.. which doesn't work and leads them to a stagnant position of enmity to everybody around them. whilst being stuck so badly in the wrong, for their own actions and historical inheritances, they hate logic from instinct.

do you see the resemblance in your behavior, pseudo-kike?


go ahead and use echolalia to black the info from your mind and take some SSRI to get that warm fuzzy feeling back.

>>22098200
>are neo-nazis
nice conjecture tranny
why are sperging are you jewish?
>>22098218
>the main problem with the jews is that they aren't honest
so you really are a jew?
you brought up africans out of nowhere, probably remembered Tyrone cuking you father.

>>22098233
yeah you really need to lay off the anti-depressant meds, they've scrambled your brain badly, pseudo-kike,

>TALMUD! NOW U SHOW UR TRUE COLOURS
followed by
>>are neo-nazis
>nice conjecture

so your mother really did alienate you from your father as a child?

>>22098273
> anti-depressant meds
another conjectur tranny may be even projection.
>pseudo-kike
says Talmud aficionado
you just droped neo-nazi out of nowhere like a retarded plebbitor you are. You mother should have spend more time in raising you and less in getting pumped.

>>22098280
>may be
baby-speak reflects an adult diaper fetish. When you finish doing your shit-mouth routine on 4chan, d you look at pornography and masturbate at being abused by men and women for being a 'bad boy'?

Ahhh white nigger you, if only you hadnt not studied psychology cos it wuz a jewish conspiracy against jeebus, you'd know ow easy it is to read you. lawl piss baby

>pseudo-kike
derp u just realized i used this word?

The entire point against you guys is that you hate the jews but emulate all of the worst qualities 'of' the jews. Emperor Flavius Julianus makes this point of you 1,600 years ago.

attempts at deflection
>you just droped neo-nazi out of nowhere like a retarded plebbitor
>out of nowhere
rofl
see: >>22098273
>yeah you really need to lay off the anti-depressant meds, they've scrambled your brain badly, pseudo-kike,
>>TALMUD! NOW U SHOW UR TRUE COLOURS
>followed by
>>>are neo-nazis
>>nice conjecture

>>22098305
>baby-speak reflects an adult diaper fetish
speaking from experience. I speak on your level, you should thank me.
> if only you hadnt not studied psychology cos it wuz a jewish conspiracy
nice headcanon did you whore mother tought you that?
>is that you hate the jews
another headcanon. is that trnny argumentation?
where are you from? I want to know which cucked bloodline you belong to

Why are christers such anti-semites? Is it not obvious to them who they rely on as prophets, scribes, and saviours? It must be a tremendous cross to bear, carrying that much cognitive dissonance

>>22098318
Oh piss-baby that's some nextlevel gas-lighting you're trying to use hahaha

>TALMUD KIKE
>u made up imma neo nazi

>TALMUD KIKE
>no not a neo-nazi
rofl

this is working as well as calling me a tranny in every post


hey why do you keep changing the subject from what your mother did to your father, and about your anti-depressant addiction?

Did you mother drive himaway from you by telling you that he raped her? And you blamed her whorish actions on the jews? Ive heard this from a few former neo nazis under confession, I wouldn't be surprised if this cause is way more common than we've realized in the self-brainwashing process.

No no piss-baby, see your mother was just a whore and the judeo-christian society was just too unchrist-like to help you, god also didn't care.

>the causes
FELIX CAUSAS

>>22098334
>Why are christers such anti-semites? Is it not obvious to them who they rely on as prophets, scribes, and saviours?
it's massive dissonance. The kind of dissonance you'd have to holding your head to rape a child and project a fantasy about it that the child was into it.

about the same level as a non-ironic tranny, I suppose
>>22098280
>tranny
shit, i only just connected that to your projection. im slow af after you've been telling me this for like 200 post hahaha

>>22098334
why are you talking to yourself OP also nice headcanon troon.
>gas-lighting
plebbit lingo.
>Knowing Talmudic arguments means your are NAZI
is that how you people argue on plebbit?
But you are tranny.
I didn't change a subject I called you out and you deflected calling me a nazi. Tell your mom that I will visit her next week.
Just becase your mother fuckes tyrone does not mean you should lose your mind.
>>22098377
also why are you posting in a obnoxious manner. You post like a mentally ill subhuman.
Why did you not answer my question tranny?

>>22098360
forgot to mention why do you take so long to respond? is it dilating intervals?

>>22098379
My bad... I should respect your pronouns. You are a Nationalist Socialist (hit/ler), not an anti-Semite. I will try to do better

>>22098392
nigger I could not care less with either of them, but how does Nazi not include anti-semite?

>>22098395
That's the joke

>>22098402
very bad joke 2/10
should have just left hit/ler part

>>22098379
>why are you talking to yourself
several other people have chimed in to tell you off in this thread, just FYI

not that reality matters to you through all those fuzzy SSRIs coursing through your system


>I didn't change a subject
bubby did cwnge subject!

We were psychoanalyzing the origin of your cliche anti-semitic righteous-victim-complex and the deflection away from working on yourself to remove those character defects (or accept that your mother and society is just bad) onto third party in order to remain as a white nigger,

'and' the seeking solace and numbers in the illusion of anti-semitism in the church, due to that time you watched an e michael jones video, which led you to a version of Pauline Christianity... which led you to emulate the homosexuals who followedPaul, and Paul himself, running from their crimes and avoiding self-correction by retreating into the deep fantasy and enmity of a doomsday cult.

Why did you not answer my question piss baby?

ib4
>>(multiple senteces of articulate on-point interesting observations)
>sperg
TLDR
try hard or i won't even respond again, then you'll be fucked :p

>>22098416
why would several other people matter. I know when you post. your retarded writing style is easy to recognize. Drop a dilator.
>We were psychoanalyzing
stop talking to people in you head troon.
Still waiting for your multitude unanswered questions

>>22098422
>Still waiting for your multitude unanswered questions
lawl

try this one
see: >>22098334
>Why are christers such anti-semites? Is it not obvious to them who they rely on as prophets, scribes, and saviours? It must be a tremendous cross to bear, carrying that much cognitive dissonance

then try transgender counselling

>>22098468
>lawl
thanks for conceding
the premise itself is wrong of that question.
is deflecting and not answering coping method you troons devised?

>>22098407
Well, at least I don't worship someone as a god who comes from a background I also claim to hate, nor do I rely on the writings of authors from that background to prove I should hail him as god.

>>22098478
>22098478
> I also claim to hate
it's your headcanon. Tranny freak like you should not be talking about anything really.

>>22098485
So you are okay with Jewish religions after all? That wasn't the impression I was getting from you.

>>22098422
btw thanks for bumping this thread for fucking days lol how many new people do you think have seen it, been like "that's too egregious a claim to make about christians," then scrolled down and seen what you've been saying?

TOP KEK shitbrain top kek.

>>22098477
oh well, if you dont want to discuss anything interesting then i'm out.


nice thread. 10/10 lots of fun.
>>22085558 >>22093157 >>22093894
roma invicta.


img. titus vespasian in the marketplace speaking with the plebs in his rainshoes in the fucking gutters
CHRISTKEK DELENDA EST.

>>22098491
I am indifferent. Jews will not even come in my mind if not people here posting about them.

btw prozac and sativa is a nice mix

>>22098495
No problem. I used this thread to collect cattle (pagancuck) tears.

>>22098497
So all those slurs are motivated by indifference? Really now?

>>22098509
yes believe it or not. Most of the time slurs serve no other purpose then to cause anger in the receiver. Other times it's just an observation.

>>22098504
>I was only pretending to be retarded

>>22098511
>it's just an observation
well it's just an observation that Christianity comes from Judaism; I doubt Jesus would like for you to slander his people

>>22098512
that does not make sense retard, because that's not what I said. More reading comprehension and less picture collecting

>>22098517
why, he slandered and whipphed his people too. There is no jew or gentile no people are above slander.

>>22098518
If being Jewish is enough to deserve an insult, what should we call someone who worships a Jew? Are all anti-semites this smoothbrained?

>>22098525
>If being Jewish is enough to deserve an insult
why would that be the case? Kike is very specific insult and directly correlates with rejection of Jesus, are all pagancuck this retarded?

>>22098523
That was an internal, intra-religious affair. You'd notice that if you read more closely.

>>22098477

>>22098528
irrelevant. You can count intra-abrahamic affair as intra-religious one. Why can't you argue, is it bad reading skills?

>>22098526
You rely on Jewish literature to accept Jesus. They rely on Jewish literature to reject him. As far as I am concerned, you both quack like a duck. I suppose you must hate them out of sheer confusion—"why won't they agree with me on what their religion says?"

>>22098534
ok samefag

>>22098535
>anything which hurts my position is irrelevant
oh what's that quote you must know by heart about arguing with... well anyway ye will know them by their fruits!

>>22098537
but their religion split and another one was written in greek. Why does it matter what their ethnic background is?

>>22098541
>>anything which hurts my position is irrelevant
but that didn't hurt my argument, you cut out other part of the sentence, is dishinesty pagancuck virtue - yes it is.

>>22098542
Who said anything about that? You need their religion to be 99% correct to attest the validity of yours no matter what. Joined at the hip.

>>22098551
the state of christer apologetics is garbage on a moist summer day

>>22098525
>>22098509
i wouldn't waste your sanity on this pill head, he'll just pretend you're me >>22098534 >>22098495 and imagine to himself that I'm still talking to him.

>>22098551
so? relgion continued in new testament which they reject.
christians don't argue with them in matters of old testament?
>>22098555
>christer
only troons use this word.

>>22098558
but you are kekold

>>22098560
>christians don't argue with them in matters of old testament?
christroons cite the OT constantly to prove christ is kang

>>22098566
so? they mostly talk about new testament. They don't say scriptures of old are false.

>>22098541
>ye will know them by their fruits!
ARGH not the pill head but this is the one letter in the NT that speaks actual sense:

BOOK OF FUCKING TITUS SON
"they profess to know christ but by their DEEDS they deny him,"
i.e. incongruity of being cunt and claiming to worship god, the lying priest, the taliban/fundamentalist trope

titus 1:10-24 (or 1:11-18) if memory serves

>>22098567
>They don't say scriptures of old are false.
Hence the absurdity of being an anti-semite who uses Hebrew scriptures to justify his worship of a particular rabbi as the supreme god of the universe

>>22098565
nah i'd be threatening to stab you by now, i'd also argue far better than this guy.

you know this

>>22098584
well you may be a pagancuck but you are still my pagancuck

>>22098591
daww

>>22098606
kek

>Justinian

lol

>For Julian, persecution, oppression, and financial extortion of Christians weren’t enough. In the second year of his reign, in 362, he conceived an extraordinary plan to undermine the credibility of Jesus Christ by annulling one of his prophecies.
For Julian, the solution was simple: all he had to do was rebuild the temple.

>Needless to say, the temple was never rebuilt. This much is certain.

Pagang bros, did we get too cocky?