/lit/ - Literature

>>22090259
there is no reason to listen to Jung, Freud, or the Stoics.

>>22090259
Jung is useless bunk. Belongs in the dustbin. He’s like the worst mixture of Nietzsche and Freud.

>>22090280
Low effort bait.

>>22090259
There's no reason to listen to Jung, Freud, or the Stoics when we have the Buddha

>>22090259
Wrt shadow integration:
No tree can grow to heaven without its roots reaching hell...
Wrt stoics:
Atheistic but properly studied and practiced it seems they had a concept similar to enlightenment. Pick whatever path appeals, man. I personally believe that Jung had greater insight, however. Than the stoics at least. About equal with Freud. Trying therapy is as helpful as reading and meditating or whatever too. Also drink water. Hit the gym. Engage nofap. Stay sober. Sleep properly. Work but also read and have hobbies. Find a social circle. Cures most neuroses.

>>22090259
It's a deception. Jung says enlightenment is making the darkness conscious. Nothing could be further from the truth.

>>22090355
a thing cannot hold two values and be always the same thing. Jung was a mas0n1c so anything he wrote take it with a grain of salt.

>>22090378
Jung's grandfather was the grand master of the Swiss lodge.

>>22090371
>Saint John of Kronstadt
based

>>22090371
You need to make the darkness conscious lest it control you from beyond the shadows. You WILL act evil if you're not aware of the inherent evil within you. This is Jung's point and it's how our psychology works.

>>22090415
St. John pray for us

>>22090262
fpbp

>>22090259
Why would you not want to get to the root of your anxiety, depression, anger issues, self hate, suicidal thoughts, etc? Why would you not want to get to the root cause of any mental illness, no matter how mild or severe in order to finally cure it? Because that’s what shadow work is.

>>22090445
I used to believe in it. It's wrong. Its the Judge Holden philosophy
>Only that man who has offered up himself entire to the blood of war, who has been to the floor of the pit and seen the horror in the round and learned at last that it speaks to his inmost heart, only that man can dance.
It's not only atheistic but demonic. Evil is a real non-human force; it hates you, mocks you, and wants you dead. If you think you are in control of it, it's controlling you.

>>22090371
>>22090415
>>22090448
Where does one go for accessible reading of the Church fathers?

>>22090505
Here is a good video discussing why evolution is wrong, from the perspective of many modern Fathers.
https://youtu.be/Y0sdPLJO3cE

>>22090467
So then self reflection/introspection is synonymous with "integration" of the shadow within Jung's framework? Seemed like something a bit more than that was at play here.

>>22090530
There is something more at play. Listen to your soul, it's guiding you away from danger.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGAlsyMYc1U&pp=ygUTY2FybCBqdW5nIGZyZWVtYXNvbg%3D%3D

>>22090517
Thanks Anon

>>22090505
Here's one
https://www.goarch.org/-/resource-for-writings-of-the-apostolic-fathers

>>22090259
Because denying your shadow's existence makes it easier to hide your own bad habits from yourself.

Look at all the people who think racists are the worst people in the world. If they had even the tiniest amount of introspection they'd realize their own actions are racist, but because they deny their shadow they just constantly project their own evilness onto others while imaging themselves as virtuous and incorruptible, which makes them even more vicious and hateful in their crusade against their own demons.

>>22090554
Thanks fren

>>22090587
You're welcome.
>The power of magic is effective only where there is no prayer and no staunch faith in the Lord. Magic is powerless against those who pray and whose faith is strong.
—Elder Thaddeus of Vitovnica

>>22090530
Introspection is how you’d even start shadow work. Jung also distinguished between a personal shadow and collective shadow. But I think you’re being a bit naive if you think looking inward isn’t enough to lead you somewhere profound.

>>22090259
>I don't get it, why is it a necessity to integrate the shadow?
Say you have a vicious dog running around your property. It will just randomly bite people around you for good and bad based purely on luck. If you're lucky and it bites someone bad odds are you'll still be shocked and if it keeps biting good people you'll be alone.

Now say you train that dog so it attacks bad people specifically when you want it to and is still around for the good people to see and tame enough you can let them pat it.

See the contrast and inherent advantage?

>>22090259
Petersons take on integrating the shadow is that you have to be a contained monster. One must learn to be strong, and use that strength to help others.

>>22090480
The kid shuns Holden but and is eventually destroyed by him as a man. The Jungian read would be the kid's failure to marshal a proper response to Holden only to be consumed by the evil he represents in the end.

>>22090785
Tobin represented the divine grace that the Kid rejected in favor of Holden. He allowed himself to be baited by Holden all the time against the warnings of Tobin. He lost Tobin forever as a consequence and then it was too late for human goodness to matter. The Kid was warned by the Mennonite too.
>The wrath of God lies sleeping. It was hid a million years before men were and only men have power to wake it. Hell aint half full. Hear me. Ye carry war of a madman’s making onto a foreign land. Ye’ll wake more than the dogs.

>I don't get it, why is it a necessity to integrate the shadow?
To become whole, you have to integrate that which you are missing.

>>22090448
Read Aion. Jung refutes the entire notion of privatio boni.

>>22090777
Checked, but Peterson is kind of a retard when it comes to many of his interpretations of Jung. The shadow is not a sadistic monster or whatnot, because the shadow is instead the accumulation of the repressed feelings and desires that the ego either deems to be immoral due to the conditioning it has been subject to by contemporary society or because it seems to be too arduous of a challenge; the shadow is the unreconciled opposite of the ego, which the ego must integrated to actualise itself into the Self. Hence, it represses these feelings or desires because they cause a great deal of “unnecessary” anxiety, disregarding the notion that the anxiety is an indication that something is wrong with how the ego is conducting itself either mentally or physically.

>>22090259
>when we have the stoics?
Nope. Seneca beats all.

>>22092070
>Jung refutes the entire notion of privatio boni.
Jung is a psychologist, not a metaphysician. I strongly doubt it. I've never been impressed by Jung's ability to reason, he is just a decent psychologist.

>>22090445
Darkness is metaphysically infinite, or indefinite. It literally cannot be made conscious because you cannot even theoretically traverse the infinite. All you can do is hold yourself to the light. Evil is literally gigantic beyond any conceivable proportion, and dwarfs any being which strays from the light. God represents symbolically a single point or speck of light which, despite its quantative infinitesimality, is infinite in its own kind. Yet a single deviation is enough to cast you into an infinite abyss. Know the danger you are in, Christian or not.

>>22090259
>why is it a necessity to integrate the shadow
He says why.
If you don't like Jung you'll disagree with it. The fact you posted this shows you're not ready for Jung, Freud, Stoics or Buddha.

This is now a Seneca thread.

>For this body of ours is a weight upon the soul and its penance; as the load presses down the soul is crushed and is in bondage, unless philosophy has come to its assistance and has bid it take fresh courage by contemplating the universe, and has turned it from things earthly to things divine. There it ihas its liberty, there it can roam abroad; meantime it escapes the custody in which it is bound, and renews its life in heaven. Just as skilled workmen, who have been engaged upon some delicate piece of work which wearies their eyes with straining, if the light whic htehy have is niggardly or uncertain, go forth into the open air and in some park devoted to the people's recreation delight their eyes in teh geenrous light of day; so the soul, imprisoned as it has been in this gloomy and darkened house, seeks the open sky whenever it can, and in the contemplation of the universe finds rest.

>The wise man, the seeker after wisdom, is bound closely, indeed, to his body, but he is an absentee as far as his better self is concerned, and he concentrates his thoughts upon lofty things. Bound, so to speak, to his oath of allegiance, he regards the period of his life as his term of service. He is so trained that he neither loves nor hates life; he endures a mortal lot, though he knows that an ampler lot is in store for him. [...] No, I am above such an existence; I was born to a greater destiny than to be a mere chattel of the body, and I regard this body as nothing but a chain which manacles my freedom. When it seems proper, I shall shall sever my connexion with it. To despise our bodies is sure freedom.

>[...] All things are made up of matter and of God; God controls matter, which encompasses him and follows him as its guide and leader. And that which creates, God, is more powerful and precious than matter, which is acted upon by God. God's place in the universe corresponds to the soul's relation to man. World-matter corresponds to our mortal body; therefore let the lower serve the higher. And what is death? It is either the end, or a process of change. I have no fear of ceasing to exist; it is the same as not having begun. Nor do I shrink from changing into another state, becase I shall, under no conditions, be as cramped as I am now. Farewell.

>>22092178

>God is near you, he is with you, he is within you. This is what I mean, Lucilius: A Holy Spirit dwells within us, one who marks our good and bad deeds, and is our guardian. As we treat this spirit, so are we treated by it. Indeed, no man can be good without the help of God. Can one rise superior to Fortune unless God helps him to rise? He it is that gives noble and upright counsel. [...] When a soul rises superior to other souls, when it is under control, when it passes through every experience as if it were of small account, when it smiles at our fears and at our prayers, it is stirred by a force from Heaven. Therefore, a greater part of it abides in that place from whence it came down to Earth. Just as the rays of the sun do indeed touch the Earth, but still abide at the source from which they are sent; even so the great and hallowed soul, which has come down in order that we may have a nearer knowledge of divinity, does indeed associate with us, but still cleaves to its origin; on that source it depends, thither it turns its gaze and strives to go, and it concerns itself with our doings only as a being superior to ourselves.

>Many short and easy roads to freedom lie open on all sides. Let us thank god, that no one is able to be kept in life.

>He who says [that one should die naturally] does not realize that he blocks off the road of freedom. The eternal law did nothing better than giving us one entrance into life, but many exits. Should I await the cruelty of disease or man, when I am able to exit through the middle of tortures and shake off my adversities?

>But you know this, to how many men it (death) is useful, how many men it frees from tortures, destitution, ailments, torments, and weariness. We are in the power of no one, when death is in our power.

>The wise man presents an awesome spectacle. Knowing, as he does, the difference between virtue and vice, good and evil, and things that are indifferent, and knowing his own strength, both physical and mental, the wise man is able to withstand any amount of torture, illness, poverty, and pain with a firm and tranquil mind, and has no fear of death at all. He feels physical pain, but his mind does not collapse: he will never view any of these things as bad. The wise man may commit suicide under such conditions, but not to escape pain. He will exit only when it seems right for him to do so, when he is sure that the sufferings he is undergoing make virtuous action impossible. The wise man is always free because he is never forced to do anything against his will. Suicide plays a role in the freedom of the wise man because it allows him to exit when he should. The wise man, not fearing death as an evil and knowing that he can commit suicide at any time it is called for, is completely free and in control of his own fate.

>>22090259
Basically the shadow is always gonna be a part of your life, so it's better to integrate it consciously than allow it to manifest in negative ways unconsciously

Because your thoughts create your reality, and the shadow is the basis of (dysfunctional) subconcious thought that you cant control. By integrating the shadow you take control over the subconcious thoughts and beliefs that shaped your life, thus giving you full control over yourself

>>22090313
The dumbest major religion

>>22092178
I used to love stoicism until I read Seneca. He strikes me as a hypocritical midwit. Cato was based though.

>>22090259
>why is it a necessity to integrate the shadow
it's not, it's all a bunch of kabbalist nigger babble. even the metaphor of the shadow being intrinsically tied to your character is nonsense since shadows aren't literally tied to you in the first place no matter how many shapes they form in your vague likeness.

>>22092309
Hypocritical how?

>>22092070
>you have to integrate that which you are missing.
Which is the covenant with Christ.

>>22090480
I think you misunderstand point Jung was trying to make. You're not supposed to 'accept' and be complacent with your own inner darkness and sin. You're supposed to acknowledge it or at least acknowledge the potentiality of it that way you can address it. You can't solve a problem if you don't first admit it exists. Care to explain why you don't agree?

>>22092335
>>22092309
Also, in my opinion, all of the Stoics are midwits compared to Platonists and Peripatetics, and that is basically their strength (same applies to Epicureans too). That doesn't mean they don't have good insights phrased in a digestible way.

>>22092095
Sounds dualist/manichean/gnostic moreso than orthodox/catholic desu.
>>22092070
>privatio boni refutation
Rundown? I felt his main problem was pelaganianism. Ironically, the shadow stuff I always interpreted apposite as .
Jung, despite self-professed gnosticsm, is actually regurgitating the catholic/orthodox doctrine of man as possessing a seed of infinite evil that one must be made aware of which is original sin, that man and his own natural state is fallen, and thus to evisage nothing but light and perfection particularly wrt to the self is a form of demonicly inspired delusions of prelest or at the very least ego inflation, thus contrary to true enlightenment or individuation or whatnot.

>>22092095
>Know the danger you are in
Can't. It's infinite. ;)

>>22090445
>making something that's literally not even you "conscious" bro

>>22092346
Before anyone accuses me of hypocrisy in my reply which mentions infinite evil a second time positively despite expressing distaste earlier for the other poster, the seed I refer to is but a potential not an actual. Part of the essence of our human freedom as Schelling would say.

>>22092355
>implying you perceive anything but yourself
How can you be conscious of anything outside consciousness?

>>22092349
You're right, it can't be known. All the more reason you should be afraid. Not knowing isn't going to save you from being eternally devoured.

>>22092346
>Sounds dualist/manichean/gnostic moreso than orthodox/catholic desu.
I didn't assign any substance to darkness. It is not a personification or deity or anything similar to God, it is just abyss, Gehenna. It's the inversion of God, hence why it can be described as "gigantic" without actually giving it substance. God is not "gigantic", to say that about God would be to say that God is a body.

>>22092368
>>implying you perceive anything but yourself
Correct. You "perceive" your consciousness to be a certain way, which is merely doxa.

>>22092383
Fair. But don't God have body? At least Jesus! Also, body of christ and body of god are common liturgical phrases...

>>22092335
>Hypocritical how?
Are you serious?

>>22092432
Yes, I would like explicit examples. Most of the time people point out so-called hypocrisies, they just haven't understood the meaning of what was said.

>>22092406
Jesus = one person, two natures (divine and human: bodily because human).
Body of Christ = either symbolically the Church, or the spiritual body of Christ/God, which is not a literal body (except in the case of the word embodied, see above).

>>22092440
Stoic idea of harmonious nature is debatable. Stoic sagedom's existence is debatable. I don't think he is a hypocrite tho. That anon is dumb. Marcus "Opium-Eater" Aurelius perhaps. Seneca is my favorite stoic. An educated slave. Epictetus is also cozy. Sadly neglected by the zoomers here who are barely past philosophy 101. And ofc all these schools intermingled back in day. Much like intermingling of dharmic schools in east. So a lot of fun stuff especially in latest antiquity. Tho agree that stoicism is a bit more of a poppy philosophy even back in day which is not good nor bad just a thing.

If privatio boni is true then Jung's concept of shadow cannot be an existent devil but only an illusion whereby it seems shadow integration can be most charitably interpreted as a recognition of the innate compossibility of both infinite good and infinite evil within our relatively limited yet absolutely free existence of the self as per Schelling which no doubt his symbol of Abraxas as true God builds upon. Is this Luciferian? It's not Catholic or Orthodox. But theologians may have crazy ideas of their own. Our nature is supernatural. Grace descends from above. Jung was heterodox no doubt but definitely possessed some faith. I like to be kind to anyone who wrote as prolificky and insightfully. Do I believe in the coming of the cosmic christ and incarnation of sophia? Metaphorically perhaps. Evil christ idea is a bit dumb dumb in Answer to Job tho. As many Europeans, now and then, he had a inferiority/superiority complex about his own culture hence his inability to be a normie Christians much like Guenon or Crowley or any other such orientalist / masons / theosophists / gnostics peddled by seekers who stray somewhat...

>>22092338
He thinks demons make us do bad things or some shit

>>22092823
Wrt evil christ tho the privatio boni argument combined w it makes sense as satan as god's shadow which jung does make claim, agamben calls it the judgement of judgement -- kantian in a sense, I suppose Jung is making some dubious claim about the Anti-Christ being Second Coming? Definitely schizo. Satanic? Perhaps. Aion is super new age. Age of aquarius gaizzz. No one really believes in real evil. Not neoplatonists nor hermeticists. Gnostics may be polemically tarnished and inaccessible to our historical knowledge too. Even zoroastrians and manicheans believed in supremacy of good over evil. Despite alleged dualism. Weird Jewish stuff like Zevi even makes its own twisted sense. Tzimtzum is strange, however. Is this the Schellingian darkness within God? Primordial evil/chaos is a recurrent theme in most mythopoetic comogeneses. Sadly identified with women. But does not God use the waters as a mirror and mold it and mend it to make creation in Genesis? Much to ponder. That all shall be saved (I hope!)

>>22090371
The murderous and oppressive history of your religion demonstrates what happens when people become arrogant and believe that doing evil is beyond them.

>>22092862
Considering Jungians are all a bunch of narcissistic schizo fags I'm inclined to agree.
>>22092928
>christianity is evil because it rejects evil
Listen to this shit.

>>22093689
Based dishonest retard with no comprehension.

>>22092928
The Bible says all throughout that not one of us is good. Men are mad. None of us remember. Focusing on the good and the cultivation of its qualities is not a denial of the existence of evil, within or without, but rather due to the horrifying realization that it is real. To understand our point of view you must learn the meanings of faith and repentance.

>>22092928
I forgot to add that the now commonly held misconception that people are above evil is due to secularism and humanism.

>>22090259
Because it presents represed part of you. And since unconscious directs your consciouss life if not made aware off, leaving represed part of you unconsciouss will direct your life in ways you dont want too.
Easyle said: If you dont make clear to your self what potential for evil you have, you wont notice it when you will act upon it and hurt others. You will leave trail off destruction unaware you are doing it.
There is interview of ex client of Jung where she says how he made her aware that because she hates others others misstreat her. This is beautifull case of it. For it clearly shows that famous saying: "You reap what you sow". She planted hatered (unconsciously) and harvested misstreat. Unaware of it, she keept hating the world even more. Harvesting even more misstreat.

When you know who you are and how you affect others, how you can affect others, you can plan what you will sow and thus reap what you want. Your destiny wont anymore be in hands of your unconciouss.

Guys, you might like these books. Recommended by Fr. Andrew Louth and Fr. Vasileios Thermos.

1/2

2/2

>>22090467
And how do you do that?

>>22090259
This guy just pulled shit out of his ass
and people *ate it up*
and still sit...
with fork and knife at the ready...
fifty years later.

Amazing, that.
Nothing he said was real.
Nothing he said has a crumb of science behind it.
Nothing.
It's all gibberish.

>>22094088
But enough about yourself.

>>22094571
>science
Look at this retard, then he will argue suicide was common in the past,

>>22094258
>>22094264
Sweet

>>22094571
OP isn't talking about Sigismund Schlomo Freud though

>>22090259
The stoics are shit for literary theory

>>22090259
>why is it a necessity to integrate the shadow?
There is no necessity to integrate anything if you are a mentally healthy individual. If there is a split, that means there is a neurosis and integration of disowned parts of self then means you get to be mentally healthy.
I'm not interested in Jung though.

>>22090259
trust whoever didn't touch kids, discard the rest

>>22090371
The unconscious IS God according to Jung’s metaphysics you apocalyptic pseud. By illuminating the unconscious you are tapping into the divine tap root of your soul.

>>22092079
Read Catafalque pseud. This board is awful

>>22096885
>50 shades of grey.

>>22090517
Wow this is funny. Such terrible points on evolution and their ignorance is scary.

>>22090480
Controlled burns is a fire fighting tactic

>>22094264
Honestly might check it out just for the baller cover.

>>22094258
>>22094264
>>22096178
>>22096885
These all look interesting and funny enough they are books! Strangely on-topic ones at that.

>>22090259
Because it is a part of you.

>>22097584
>ancient church father btfo by some good old boy firefighters in California without even knowing it

>>22090480
>>22097993
>Difficult occasions that are repugnant to you are necessary means to acquire the virtues. Ask God to give you his Holy Spirit to strengthen you.
Lorenzo Scupoli, The Spiritual Combat
Seems to me to be very similar to the idea that integrate your shadow means bring it to the light, to conquer it.

>>22099539
It's interesting that Nicodemus the Hagiorite and Theophan the Recluse translated this treatise into Greek and Russian, so now it's considered a classic of Orthodox asceticism.

>>22090259
It is important to develop at least a polarity of perspectives, for each diametric perspective that becomes integrated within the self a reciprocity exists where your capacity to understand others by way of simulating/imagining their perspective grows profoundly.

tl;dr
>You mature and begin to understand others more, this brings peace to you.

>>22090564
How does this bode for women, who are incapable of introspection?

>>22092368
>But how can the moon be in the sky if it's attached to your hand?!?!?!

>>22090313
Well true but I still like Jung.

>>22092077
Seneca is good but Epictetus is better.

>>22090259
Well when you try to escape the shadow, as most people surely will, you'll realize why you want to integrate it.

>>22090371
You just explained why Christians are so uptight.
(Especially on /lit/, for some reason.)

>>22090480
>Evil is a real non-human force; it hates you, mocks you, and wants you dead
Here's hoping it succeeds in your case.

>>22097171
Everybody has an unconscious psyche, therefore everybody needs to integrate it.
Don't kid yourself that you haven't suppressed parts of your own personality.

>>22090313
>>22090262
>>22090280
correct, though stoic haves value if you're a weak person. Jung was very creative. Just as Freud was able to express the odeipical sphere and to conduct it within his patients, Jung made something else. But its all creativity and no actual substance unless you want to live in it, to which it seems like you'll always be losing.
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>>22090371
Jungs enlightenment is dualistic, yes its far from the truth but it seems like your truth is dualistic as well, so not much better than jung.

>>22090445
you're just being a parrot to Jung.

>>22090467
you've been told that you can actually get to the roots of your bullshit but it simply doesn't exist. Your constant interfering and manipulation of conscious activity is actually not aligned with Jung's final statements. Look up Jung's comments about wu wei. He changed his mind around the end and actually opted for a more organic approach.

>>22090564
yeah I can kind of get aligned to that idea, but as another one said. I believe a lot of people misunderstands Jung's shadow. Peterson for example totally botched it. It's not understanding the evil you are capable of, it's understanding the evil you're already doing. You don't have to worry about murdering or torturing people, the extremities of human behavior, but the subtle evil such as judging people or wishing their success to fail.

>>22092070
there's nothing missing. you've been told that there is something missing so you try to find it. someone put that thought into you. nothings missing. what happens with so called insights are simply creative constructions between the ego to the external world and itself. It's a creative process of construction, not really an innate quality or substance to be got.

>>22092095
very dualistic perspective. good and bad doesn't exist without context to human behavior and individual decision. evil and good are things that were taught to you. you were taught to see the world in such a way. how sad it is when religions contaminate a Childs mind to perceive evil in the world.

>>22092283
it reflects what you put in, ya dumb retard

>>22092449
>>22092383
stupid Christian gnostic shit

>>22097171
there is no necessity to do anything at all. people do what they want to do, and Jung offered something to do. there's no split or disowned parts of your self, there is only the story you make of your ego. There is no mentally healthy or unhealthy, all is according to what society accepts or disavows. a "mentally unhealthy" individual is simple a machine producing constant creativity and energy. people don't like that, they wanna chill (same) so they deem them as "unhealthy".

>>22100649
someone told you this and you believed them. suppressed parts of your personality? what the fuck, no. the so called "suppressed parts" of your personality is literally the expression of your personality. Because you suppress you express

>>22090760
What absolute garbage.

Theres a lot of people talking past each other here. The difference is do you have a mundane interpretation of this (it just means integrated aggression) or do you have a spiritual interpretation (it means tapping into surreal, demoniac states of being). Both are true to some extent but therein lies the controversy. The Traditionalists considered the 'Unconscious' the realm of phantoms and beneath the human personality, as in not part of your actual soul and definitely not part of your spirit. But if you just want to stop being depressed or whatever the whole thing means something else.

Please upload these books on Libgen

https://www.amazon.com/Let-This-Mind-Be-You/dp/0866837906
https://www.amazon.com/Contagion-Jesus-Doing-Theology-Mattered/dp/0232527172
https://www.amazon.com/Body-Christ-Shudder-Blissful-Truth/dp/0232528578
https://www.amazon.com/Crucified-Jesus-No-Stranger/dp/0866838910
https://www.amazon.com/Fire-Rose-Are-One/dp/0816404682

>>22100928
>suppressed parts of your personality? what the fuck, no.
>Because you suppress ...
Are you done contradicting yourself?
Yes, your suppressed personality finds expression, but without your permission.
Because you're not conscious of it, it lives an independent life of its own.

>>22090371
Why do you think Catholics are made to confess their sins on a regular basis? They're literally being forced to confront their Shadow, i.e. "making the darkness conscious."
This is why Jung likens religions to psychotherapeutic systems.

>>22101346
that's fucking retarded, the contradictions is within your notion that there is a suppression. I am saying that act of your so called "suppression" IS your personality. and no, it doesn't live independently in a life of its own, you schizo. nor does it even do anything without your permission. it doesn't live a life of its own, it doesn't "find" expression, "it" doesn't exist. the "it" you are thinking of is a gap that you creatively project whatever the fuck you want to project in it, your personality in its totality giving "it" a structure and foundation to which so called "suppression" could creatively flourish in, utilizing whatever the fucknot else of your personality in order to shape itself within that gap.

>>22090259
Masonic/Kabbalah stuff
Is self-control good? Is understanding your own faults, and admitting them, so you can move away from them, good? Yes
Is going 'the evil is part of you, so you should just abide it' good? No, this is the same kind of logic that made homosexuality/transgenderism shoot up in prevalence.
Like the difference of 'I've realised I have a dirty room. Should I:
A) Clean up the room
B) Accept that I'm just dirty and it's healthy to roll around in the squalor'
>But if you do A it really means you actually super duper want to do B!!
>Even if your room is totally clean now and you make a habit of keeping it that way and enjoy the benefits of the clean room... somehow that REALLY means you're just ITCHING to live in filth!!
doesn't work does it

>>22100649
>therefore everybody needs to integrate it.
You don't "need" to do anything.

>>22090262
I will now be reading exclusively Freud, Jung, and the Stoics

What did Jung say about stoics?

help me out there Jung scholars, I've read Memories, Dreams, Reflections and I don't get the story of disappearing mosaics at Mausoleum of Galla Placidia. In his memoirs Jung claimed that his friends and other people knew nothing of the frescoes he saw with his own eyes (along with other eyewitness) at that tomb in Ravenna. Quick photo search shows that all the artworks he describes are there. Was he pranked?

>>22102240
I don’t think he had anything to do with either

>>22090448
>Never confuse the person, formed in the image of God, with the dindu that is in him, because dindu is but a chance misfortune, ilness, a devilish reverie. But the very essence of the person is the image of God, and this remains in him despite every disfigurement.

>>22090480
>Evil is a real non-human force; it hates you, mocks you, and wants you dead
>B-but you shouldn't be ready to return the favor b-because then you'd be just as bad as it

It's gotten to the point where there simply isn't anything I despise more than Western Ortho-larpers. Russians I can get, they're sincere in their insincereness and slimy in their very nature, but Western catechumens actually believe themselves and live this insufferable self-righteous exaltation. Much like the pandering Leftoids despite not actually wanting to live among niggers versus Conservatives who must always prove how non-racist they are and how we could all just go along without tribalism and identity politics.

>>22097217
>Catafalque
I've started reading this only to realize I need to read a lot more Greek.
Are there any other books I should read to support it (or properly criticise it or Jung?)

>>22102240
>Is going 'the evil is part of you, so you should just abide it' good? No, this is the same kind of logic that made homosexuality/transgenderism shoot up in prevalence.
Yes, because it's a misinterpreted "logic". It should in fact concern you how well you understood faggots and trannies. Any normal person would've seen it's about the CAPACITY for violence and the likewise response to an aggression, not mindlessly doing it or engaging in degenerate sexual behavior (why would that even be on your mind in the first place, you repressed freak?) So when a psychopath looks for a defenseless victim, it should only glance over you before realizing how much of a fight you'd be willing to put up.

"Keep a sword, but sheathed" means being perfectly able of defending yourself without actively hurting yourself or others, not "abiding it" and using it to cut your cock off or whatever you're subconsciously into. You should stick to Dostoesvky and comfy hagiographies because real life outside of culturewars and hippy-Christin larps is just too much for you yet.

>>22103555
I'm born Orthodox. If you want to try to understand what I mean then see here >>22100995. I'm talking about metaphysical states of being, not anything mundane. In both the Traditionalist School and Orthodox Christianity there is a sharp distinction between what is spiritual and what is demonic. They are not only different, they are mutually exclusive. Because they are modes of consciousness apart from one another. You can witness the demonic from the state of the spiritual and survive but if you gaze into the abyss from anywhere else you may perish as you may lose your identity in absolute evil.

Bump

Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

>>22100649
>Everybody has an unconscious psyche, therefore everybody needs to integrate it.
That is only if you believe it is split in the first place. Since I don't have supressed parts of my personality, I don't need to integrate anything.
>people do what they want to do
If people did what they wanted to, there wouldn't be these splits in personality that we call neuroses.
>There is no mentally healthy or unhealthy
There is, just as there is physically healthy and unhealthy. The rest is some kind of made up nonsense.

>>22090262
>>22090280
You don’t belong in a creative board.

>>22101230
Bump

>>22100649
>therefore everybody needs to integrate it.
How? Tf should i do?

>>22100955
>shadow is part of your personality regardless as to whether or not you have control over it
>failure to integrate it means it will lash out randomly affecting others as well as yourself
>this will lead to intra/interpersonal strife and will do so at random (over time it may accumulate into positive (e.g. delusion)/negative (e.g. depersonalization) symptoms and social isolation)
>there are positive aspects of integration such as being in control in bad situations and the ability to keep things in check, as well as command respect, even when it comes to positive relationships
You make a simpler analogy that covers all of those bases, retard.

>>22092079
Absolute retard. The best parts of Jung's works are the few times he actually breaks from the psychologist/psychiatrist perspective and gives his own genuine thoughts on the topic at hand. He was indeed something much more than a mere psychologist/psychiatrist and was a prophet in a lot of ways in regards to the absolute state of the modern world. Entire generations of young people so "connected" with each other and yet never more disconnected from themselves.

>>22107746
The shadow is like an uncooked hamburger.

>>22102048
You haven't got a clue about Jung or the human psyche. You appear to be denying the very existence of the unconscious, which is demonstrably retarded. Amusing rant though, please keep raging!
>>22102312
You do if you want to grow up.
>>22107724
Cast aside the moral strictures of society for a moment, and consider how you would act, and what sort of person you'd be, if you were free to say and do whatever you wanted. You would almost certainly behave very differently. Most importantly, you would work out your own moral code instead of conforming to the one imposed on you by others. In this way you become more like your true self, instead of the compromised individuals most people are.

>>22106698
>That is only if you believe it is split in the first place
{Sigh] ... There is the part of the mind that is conscious, and the part that is unconscious. That's a split right there.
You know when you suddenly realise there's an insect crawling up your arm? That's an example of an unconscious impression breaking through into consciousness.
You need to go away and do some reading before participating in a Jung thread again.

>>22108472
You're thinking of your bussy after running train for Tyrone n da boyz.

>>22101230
Bump

>>22090709
>looking inward
That's decadent. You have to look outward.

>>22109202
Neurosis incoming.

>>22109244
Cause and effect.

Because the shadow represents your faults and sometimes your strengths. Would it not be good to be aware of these things?

>>22090259
Why don't read his books and find out?

>little girl has dream before unexpectedly dying
>the dream was totally a foreshadowing of her death that reached through time based on my hyper-specific interpretation
How is Jung any different from zodiac horoscope shit? The only good thing about him is he's a counterbalance to Freud's coomer bullshit.

>>22090505
>John of Kronstadt
>Church Father

>>22108580
>You appear to be denying the very existence of the unconscious, which is demonstrably retarded.
This post exemplifies begging the question. Why can't the effeminate pseuds that post on this board ever stand on their own two feet and learn to defend themselves?

>>22103512
Jung blatantly defers to Kabbalic imagery multiple times in his career. Also pretending he has no connections to Freemasons is just wrong.
>>22103596
>Any normal person would've seen it's about the CAPACITY for violence and the likewise response to an aggression
No one gives a fuck what the weak willed and docile modern man thinks.

Jung is a longhoused cuck faggot who would wear ze mask if he was alive today. Also 4trannies love him because they don't even have to go outside while they fill their heads with delusions of becoming "complete" through worthless navel gazing.

The consciousness can be likened to the sun. When I go out on a hot summer day and see a shadow that traces all the way down towards my feet, do you or anyone else automatically assumes that's apart of me? No, it's a projection created in my own likeness that merely trails close behind me, such a projection dissipating the moment I am not made aware of it anymore. Just like in my consciousness, I can form and meld various shapes that I interpret to resemble my likeness, yet these shadows just as well disappear when either I am no longer conscious of them or they end up distorting into a different shape. To summarize, Jung and most other people ITT make the mistake of likening themselves to a shadowy specter when in reality that pseudo-you is dependent on your existence, not the other way around.

The shadow is literally not even real.

>>22092338
But inner darkness and sin doesn't exist, what you're saying presupposes some sort of system of morality and self-denial which doesn't actually exist.

>>22108593
>There is the part of the mind that is conscious, and the part that is unconscious.
Or maybe there is no such thing.
>You know when you suddenly realise there's an insect crawling up your arm?
I do, it's called physical sensation. I don't relate this to conscious/unconscious parts of mind though.
I also said in this thread that I'm not interested in Jung, so no I'm not viewing this through his lenses.

Jewish culture masquerading as science, it's not only culturally irrelevant but actually an attack on western culture.

These are janiform authors who pass neither as philosophers or scientists, ask them the basis for their philosophy and they claim its science. Ask them for the basis of their scientific views and they give you philosophy.

Neither were virtuous in their lives, and their work does not endure so much as Marxists force it on one generation of youth after another.

>>22092283
Dumbest motherfucker thinking Buddhism is a dumb religion

>>22090371
You don’t understand what Jung means about darkness. It is true that enlightenment makes the darkness a more conscious thing in our lives. You see, everyone is in darkness. A few have chosen to walk in that same darkness. But a few choose to walk with a Light guiding them in that darkness.

No, I’ve never read Jung, but I understand the path he walked.

>>22090371
Should Christ in the desert have fled Satan in terror? You should think more carefully anon.

>>22090530
Integration of the shadow is the process of becoming aware of the evil that you already do: the idea is that most people have a deluded image of themselves which is built upon shutting out any characterstics they do not like to believe they possess. The repressed contents then exert an unacknowledged determining influence on a person. Think of Frollo from Hunchback of Notre Dame. Still it must be admitted Jung is a Christian heretic, who argues that the true moral genius of Christianity was expressed not in the orthodoxy, but in the alchemists.

>>22090259
It's necessary to integrate the shadow because if you don't it will inevitably control you, which is the source of all evil in the world. Also stoicism separates the self from the world and arbitrarily reinforces the status quo and therefore is a shit philosophy.

>>22090280
100%

>>22099539
Integrate means to make into a whole by bringing all parts together; unify. Or to join with something else; unite. Here meaning to unite with the darkness or if we apply it to the quote mentioned with demonic attacks themselves.
To call upon the Holy Spirit to return to you is the exact opposite of letting the darkness enter you. It is to focus on the light. It expels evil by the surrendering all of your human arms and having faith that God's grace and mercy will save you. That is spiritual combat or unseen warfare.
This is not living in denial of suffering. Of course you grow spiritually by trials and suffering. The suffering is what spurs us to repentance.
>>22111751
Christ rejected Satan. He was not even tempted. The devil dared to tempt Him but He was never tempted. Rejecting darkness is again the opposite of uniting yourself with it. Look here if you want to understand what I mean >>22104352.

>>22111942
*if we apply it to the quote you posted from Spiritual Combat
Just to be clear

Any Christian books responding to Jung's Answer to Job?

>>22110589
>Or maybe there is no such thing
I guess you never have recollections then. Because that's another example of unconscious contents re-emerging into consciousness.
>I do, it's called physical sensation
Physical sensations are processed in the brain, dumbass. And the nervous system is just an extension of the brain.

>>22110307
Read the thread. The question has been answered multiple times. Although the adage about leading a horse to water still applies.

>>22112409
>Read the thread.
Faggot.

>>22090517
The most disgusting thing about Christians is their stupidity. They don't know what constitutes evidence or proof, which, I suppose, is the reason they believe in these ridiculous fairy tales to begin with.

>>22112761
But when your guru says there are 12 separate archetypes (as if the number chosen is anything but arbitrary) and you have an shadow you must wrestle with, that's all "self-evidently true", right?

>>22112761
Atheists generally don't know the first thing about the philosophy of science and break down when you mention theory-ladenness anf under-determination. They regurgitate popsci myths they heard from retards like Lawrence Krauss about falsificationism and bullshit fables from Richard Dawkins where a learned scientist stands up after a lecture in a crowded auditorium to say "YOU HAVE PROVEN MY HYPOTHESIS WRONG, THANK YOU SIR!"

>>22112824
Nice deflection.

>>22112863
>Fairy tales get BTFO
>Fa... Falsificationism!
The most intelligent Christian

>>22112906
>I'M AN ADULT WHO DOESNT BELIEVE IN SANTA!
>ARE YOU NOT IMPRESSED?
The most intelligent atheist.

>>22112912
But you do believe in Santa, which makes you even dumber than me

>>22112916
>admits atheism is an intelligence LARP
>doesn't even realize it and asserts intelligence
Kek.

>>22112434
no u

>>22112434
Still ain't gonna drink, huh?

>>22113023
Rejecting Christianity doesn't necessarily equate to atheism.

>>22090259
>why is it a necessity to integrate the shadow?
It is the cause of all of your suffering in life. If you can fully integrate the shadow you will still feel pain, but will never suffer again.

It's useless to listen to stoics if only your conscious mind adheres to their instructions.

>>22090313
There is no reason to listen to Buddha when we have Krishna

>>22100605
Christian /lit/ posters have drastically nuked the quality of posts on this board. It's sad.

>>22113508
Atheism is an intelligence LARP.

>>22113518
They've already got all the answers.

>>22113518
You are an atheist to every religion you don't believe in.

>>22113607
I don't think like atheists about any subject. Applying your "arguments" would be inherently dishonest no matter what the subject is.

>>22113607
Jung believed in God and so do the Jungians in this thread.

>>22113701
It's not entirely clear what Jung meant by "God"

>>22113682
Atheists aren't a monolith. They don't all think in one specific way.

>>22113814
I know you think that's true but it's not. The only reason you're not explicitly saying the relevant meme line is because you intuitively know it makes you sound like the possessed golem you're saying you're not.

>>22113846
gotta agree with my bro Anon here. atheists are redditors universally

>>22090313
There's no reason to listen to the Buddha when we have Meister Eckhart

Bump

>>22113814
>spend over a decade listening to Dawkins/The Amazing Atheist/Krauss telling you to mock and ridicule religious people
>constantly parrot disingenuous talking points and focus on low-hanging fruit
>...
>New Atheism was a fad that attracted a tonne of pseuds and losers
>it's was an intellectual superiority LARP...they sperg about science but haven't even studied basic calculus
>turns out telling people to build strong opinions about topics of which they know fuck all was a bad idea
>prominent retards like The Amazing Atheist turn out to be degenerate retards
>...
>WE'RE NOT A MONOLITH! DON'T TALK ABOUT "'MILD PEDOPHILIA,' OR 'AS A SCIENTIST EPSTEIN DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG,' OR THE BANANA FUCKER!"
>tips fedora

>>22113846
You have no idea what you're talking about

>>22114029
>America is the only country in the world
>Buddhist monks in a Tibet monastery who don't believe in a God are identical to redditers
You are one myopic individual

>>22113682
You sound like a person who doesn't want their purity to be infringed by the idea that you share something with a group you've demonized. You must reject certain religions as false (since many religions contradict each other), in that sense, you are just like an atheist. You have not been convinced that the truth propositions of certain religions meet the threshold to convince you.

>>22113752
>t. peak retard
The Self, according to Jung, is God.

>>22114034
There is no redeeming anything about "atheism". It's the dumbest meme in history.
>>22114061
What I sound like has no bearing on the objective and empirically demonstrable fact that every "atheist" is a brainwashed retard. It's a religion of brainwashed retards that has nothing to offer on any subject. I'm not an "atheist" when it comes to any religion in any reasonable sense.
>You must reject certain religions as false
No I do not, you're just a fucking idiot incapable of thinking about any subject.

>>22114053
>America doesn't matter that much...
>check out this country that barely even exists!
You're a retard and it's no fault of mine fedora tippers ruined atheism and your libtard Buddhist LARP.

>>22114171
>Does not reject any one of contradictory claims
Ah, so you are just an irrational incoherent autist, good to know. You seem awfully angry about atheism, did an atheist hurt you, anon?

>>22114248
You single handedly lower the quality of /lit/ by your posts, and that is saying something

>>22114248
Ruined atheism? It was a lost cause from the beginning, but a mere necessity to take us from point a to point b, like industrialization, like a steam train taking us from one place to another, but you a being in your own regard need not follow suit.

>>22114286
>>22114287
Why are you always so angry? New Atheism was an intellectual superiority LARP and calling yourself a Buddhist in the West is pretty cliche.

>>22092901
I dont understand that but it sounds cool

>>22112824
I feel there has been a lot of distillation of his works. Im reading his chapter in Man and His Symbols. As far as I know, this is the last thing he published and he explicitly states that the archetypes he has explored are not exhaustive and must be considered beyond the cultural context if they are to be applied to a person.

The shadow is sort of self-evident as we all have urges that we know we must not follow. They would be bad for us and bad for society. This is a central concept of religion. If you ignore this, you will do those incorrect things and convince yourself you are justified because people do not often set out to do something they believe is wrong.

You can watch someone else do the same thing and judge them harshly, but give yourself a pass because your circumstances are special and different (everyone believes this).

>>22092901
>I suppose Jung is making some dubious claim about the Anti-Christ being Second Coming?
Correct, or rather we've had an age of Christianity and like all things (he claims) there's a shadow, an opposite.
What's the shadow of Christ if not an anti-christ?

>>22112824
>that's all "self-evidently true"
Jung has proven the existence of all the archetypes he talks about. You haven't read him, so I doubt you even understand what an archetype is, because if you did, you would love him because he actually, unlike any Christian ITT, proved the existence of God and the Christian faith (at least for this Aion) in Aion.

All and every single one of you is a retarded niggerfaggot who hasn't even read a single page of Jung. Commit sudoku.

>>22114466
checked

>66
>Pisces

Bump

>>22113552
By ignoring the questions, yes.

>>22114162
So not exactly the Christian conception.
Anyways I don't think that's even quite accurate.

>>22114285
Predictably you're too braindead to say anything or try to understand anything said to you. Any interaction with an "atheist" is like tuning into static.
You're hurting me and everything good right now by spreading your anti-thinking rhetoric and anti-human propaganda.
>muh contradictions
If you can't imagine how apparently contradictory claims can turn out to be consistent then you can't think about any subject. Do you really need an example? Are you that fucked in the head?

>>22114483
>proved the existence of God and the Christian faith (at least for this Aion) in Aion
Elaborate

>>22108580
prove the existence of the unconscious in the way YOU see it existing. I see the unconscious as just this huge functional gap where it will create something new out of everything you put into it, like a mass aggregator of behaviors. I don't see it as implicit memory.

The general notion that things are hidden away from you or that there is another thing at work is just not my thing,I dont see it as such because I see a mechanism that uproots such evidence of its working. I believe when we get insights, or when we dream, it is a totally creative thing that occurs within the unconscious and the unconscious, this gap, isn't hiding anything away from us but is simply creating something new for us. When we do an action that we deem deplorable and get insight, it is not that this knowledge about ourselves were suppressed or that we uncovered something new about ourselves, but this realization and revelations utilizes this very concept in order to integrate itself through the story that we tell ourselves, being able to see the permanence throughout our lives. It literally uses all of that as material for artistic purposes(insights). It is to see things in a different way, thus seeing yourself in a new, refreshed way. It's the creative and perpetual reconstructions of the personality. The unconscious isn't human nor have a mind of its own, its a simple function and mechanism, like AI, where it receives and gives without any apparent reason, as well as its ability to predict to the most proficiency through the expression of prophetic dreams/premonitions

all this other shit you spout is based off of Christianity, the myth of good and bad, the notion of being able to gain or receive (all is a creative expression, there is only a constant becoming, thoughts have no true continuity in order to become "better" or "worse")

Integrate the Shadow
Into your Butt
So when you die
You'll know no futt

Dude I'm Jung
Got no Lung
Had one Once
Ate the Sun
Still dead now
Dying now
Ate the Sun
Ow Ow Ow

>>22115572
>TheOriginalZerg
aszergers

>>22115495
It's good to see a post by someone who's actually got something to say. You can tell this anon has experience and is not just regurgitating a book or, even worse, trolling without a viewpoint. This is what /lit/ is for.

>>22115676
cool thank you, i dont post much on 4chan in general nor really have the gist of the community here in /lit/ but i absolutely fucking hate it when discussion are halted by judgements and superiority of "one not understanding the topic at hand". like, fucking tell me then, don't just end it because you think I wont get you. express yourself, be creative, speak, thats the whole reason of all of this garble anyways; to have fun with the discussion at hand. some people get way to personal and intimate with the topics they have and hold them as a foundation of their personality which prevents them from ever going forward and being open to the inclusion of different perspectives or the antagonism to their intellectual structure. its all fun and games and all of this is just the barking of humans for their own entertainment so have fucking fun with it lol. rant over

>>22115768
>i dont post much on 4chan in general nor really have the gist of the community here in /lit/
That explains it; decent posters never do. They don't stay for long either and really nobody should. It's not a joke that this place is a bucketful of crabs most of the time but sometimes you can find discussion here that you won't find anywhere else.

>>22115164
The different lower level organs give off signals informing your intuition. Sometimes they may give you an impulse like wanting to steal something apparently easy to steal but your higher order "conscious" thoughts stop the intuition from informing your decisions.
Because the intuition doesn't align with your ideals or actions you may consider it an error you need to dismiss or "supress" which creates a conflict that may be harmful. It may be harder to enter a flow state informed by intuition as easily for example.
You can be drawn to beating security measures, figuring out ways to steal without actually wanting to steal.

I probably haven't read into it deeply enough but I'm also confused by this idea of a shadow. I don't feel like any parts of my self are suppressed at all by myself, within myself, or even that there is this transcendent idea of evil out there.

>>22090259
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JGj764Y8jw

presented without further comment

>>22117877
i fucked the png merger. shucks!

>>22117880
That's a further comment, faggot.

>>22115495
>prove the existence of the unconscious in the way YOU see it existing
I've done it several times ITT, eg. >>22112406 and >>22108593 . As for taking your fingers out of your ears and shutting up screaming, that's your responsibility.
>I dont see it as such ...
Coolstorybro. Now let's see you provide some proof.
>all this other shit you spout is based off of Christianity, the myth of good and bad
Bullshit, and further proof you haven't read Jung. Society develops moral conventions, and it is these that delimit "good" from "bad". Integration of the Shadow involves transcending these strictures and developing a moral code that is truer to oneself. It's all up there in the thread, but as usual you're too fucking lazy to read it.

>>22118448

>>22118476
Let us drop the insulting from both sides so we can discuss what is at hand. It is not constructive at all and I believe it is interrupting our full expression of our ideas.

I demonstrated it as such, it the same expressions as which you've stated but perceived in a different way. Recollections is... memories. but I get what you're saying as when very obscure and unique memories come into play. I've always likened the thoughts and its contents to be like sweat or piss; a feedback system in order to regulate ego-perception and achieve a (delusional) homeostasis between the ego and the world. They're purely responsive to the moment that occurs that brings them out, and the automatic expressions of the mind is due to the environment it finds itself in instead of any self-proposed actions taking be "conscious action'. So when these things occur, I can see your perception of the unconscious ( if I am viewing it right ) at play, but I say this isn't a "Other" who is eliciting this action but this empty mechanical unconscious that is utilizing the environment around it, the activity in your conscious, and the recollection to make something "new". Everything is always "new" to be and never hidden.

Awareness is directed, not divided. You can perceive it as a split if you wish as it doesn't disrupt anything. I wouldn't say it is an unconscious breaking through the conscious but more so directing it? If we are to dissect this further, there would have to be some sort of
topographic of the planes of conscious/unconscious participation, for body conscious/unconscious would be parallels to the "minds conscious/unconscious". For what you described would be some sort of body conscious/unconscious direction mind conscious in order to see it.

What you're getting at in the end is something I very much agree with, the breaking free from societal structures of what delimits good and bad (and in general) and making up your own moral code, to which I think it is sort of like Nietzsche and Deleuze&G (which I'm very fond of). Look, all of these people are anonymous and have no name, I cannot distinguish you from the others and if I attempted to do so I would probably construct a whole different idea of what you believe. This all took me about 5 minutes of my time and if you do not have 5 minutes to express your ideas, maybe your ideas shouldn't be expressed in the first place. And please stop gatekeeping, I could imagine it would not make people want to interact with you OR Jung. Be a teacher, speak what you know and correct people kindly and educationally instead of just dismissing them. What your goal with that behavior I couldn't really imagine, as your response method is very back handed and doesn't really elicit any substance or connection but rather mostly insulting. And I departed from Jung years ago. I mostly dwelled into his alchemical work in relation to the psychological process of change.

>>22090467
>anxiety, depression, anger issues, self hate, suicidal thoughts
What if one doesn't suffer from any of that?

>>22118930
Disgusting braindead faggot.

>>22090262
>>22106704
what if you don't belong in a creative board? self-help isn't the pinnacle of human creativity you know

I'd just like to explain the obvious to the idiots in this thread that you cannot make up "your own moral code" and no one has ever done this. Not even Nietzsche the nihilist (he called himself a nihilist you dumb retards) or the braindead retards Deleuze and his fuckbuddy Guattari.

>>22119290
self-proclaimed "Nietzscheans" yearn to live their own atomized existence in a human termite nest. Thinking that by discovering the secret of the universe (that things change) they can cause any meaningful change at all. It's all just brainless megalomania for people who haven't amounted to anything in life.

>>22119087
An utter fear of conversation and a glorious display of cowardly tactics to be seen but to never be heard.

>>22119290
>>22119304
That's kinda my basis for code of ethics and thoughts themselves; it's just sweat or shit, don't think your shit don't stink and smear it everywhere as if it's something important. 'tis all just play. The more you're in your thoughts the less you are in your hands.

>>22119357
>An utter fear of conversation
>Let us drop the insulting
>endless waffling explanations of obvious details while ignoring any actual point
You talk like everyone else is retarded. Is it less insulting to hide your insults behind pointless blogs that waste my time?
We know the body processes information on a level we're not conscious of, that means there is a subconscious and sometimes it conflicts with your conscious mind. >>22116577

>>22119393
See that is where I differ in the view of conscious activity. I don't distinguish a higher or lower conscious, what you're talking about seems like Freud's topology of "id" and "superego".

The way I see it is as there's no real distinguishment and that all of those processes and impulses are just appearances that play out the story in order to refine and construct what you perceive yourself as. Morality is just a story you tell yourself, of yourself. The "stopping" of those impulses are not from a "higher" consciousness, you're literally making a stage with what is Infront of you and playing out an imaginary scenario in order to perpetuate what's "good and bad".

And intuition? Your example of intuition sounds very weird. It just sounds like impulsive actions. But I can sort of get where you're trying to say with that example, though I wouldn't place it in terms of a moral issue.

What I see from your example is literally just creating an imaginary scenario that perpetuates the ideals you want to possess and see yourself as. For what? For /who/? You make yourself the bad guy and the good guy. That higher and lower conscious jargon is just the figures and dolls you puppet in order to make a show for yourself. They don't exist l.

>>22119454
>See that is where I differ
Do you consciously digest food?
>The "stopping" of those impulses are not from a "higher" consciousness
You have a goal that's not served by the impulse, you value the goal higher than what the impulse offers. Physically the "highest" layer in the brain regulates the output from the lower layers and organs and decides what informs conscious actions and what does not.
>though I wouldn't place it in terms of a moral issue
A moral code can stop you from considering the information offered by parts of you but you can integrate the information from those parts without abandoning the moral code.
>They don't exist
Is what retards looking for ways to avoid thinking always say. We know the distinction exists. You're not conscious of everything happening in your body that informs your conscious mind.

>>22117258
That’s because it is suppressed.

>>22118930
>I can see your perception of the unconscious ( if I am viewing it right ) at play, but I say this isn't a "Other" who is eliciting this action but this empty mechanical unconscious that is utilizing the environment around it
Then all I can suggest is, try paying attention to your dreams. They are the most articulate expressions of the (very sentient) unconscious. If you can read its symbols and metaphors, you will find yourself in a very enlightening dialogue with it.

I'm this anon >>22118476 not this anon >>22119087 b.t.w

>>22120558
Another braindead faggot. How do you know what's sentient?

>>22090467
Dang, I hope I may not be wrong but that's the most intelligent thing I stumble across /lit/ for the past few weeks. I am feeling lucky to stumble into your reply.

>>22090259
>why is it necessary to integrate the shadow
because it doesn't go away if you ignore it it just bloats in the shadow, just because you refuse to acknowledge and resolve the parts of yourself you don't want to see doesn't mean it isn't there it just makes you blind to it and worst case scenario it becomes what you are

>>22115494
>Elaborate
Not that guy.
Jung argues the existence regardless of spiritual belief is a historical and therefore observative entity. There's huge amounts of foretelling & astrological connections (age of Pisces & Jesus being a fisher of men) he goes so so much deeper than this with connections to alchemy and gnostic ideas that have (in his view / readings) both seeped into Western sub consciousness but also seeped out of.