/lit/ - Literature

All characters in literature are effectively "autistic," sort of a requirement of the form as it would take far too many pages to develop characters beyond the level of autists. So authors write autists and play on stereotypes.

>>22088433
>Is it a well accepted thing amongst litirists that ishmael is autistic
No, Ishmael is depressed and high yellow.

>>22088435
I guess you could look at it that way but I mean I genuinely believe herman melville is autistic and ishmael is his self insert making him autistic.

>>22088438
are you saying ishmael is a light skin nigga?

>>22088445
Every character is a self insert when you get down to it and by modern standards anyone with a real passion to create or actually try to communicate at any depth is autistic. Autism (the spectrum, not literal autism) is just normie cope.

>>22088448
Yes, that's why he craves Maōri cock.

>>22088455
Have you read moby dick? Its barely fiction, he'll go 5 chapters STRAIGHT discussing facts about whales and whaling equipment and maybe you'll get a story interruption in the middle of it. I agree that everyone is autistic to a degree but Melville is autistic in a blatant manner

>>22088480
Did you ever consider why Melville went into all that beyond writing it off as autism? Did you ever consider it in context of the times and what was going on in literature in that time? Or even in context of Melville's other works?
>everyone is autistic to a degree
That is not at all what I said.

>>22088491
>That is not at all what I said.
Yes thats what im saying. Unrelated but what did he mean by this

>>22088548
>Yes thats what im saying.
Nah, you are saying you are a normie.

If you were a whaler working on a ship you would spend the bulk of your time sailing and cutting up whales, the actual hunt was only a small part your time. Melville was trying to show this, the drudgery and he was trying to show it in a way suitable for the readers of the time, he had to provide more than just the literal experience since modernist was still a ways of and romanticism was on the way out so you had to do more then just say "trust me bro, their life was hard and tedious." This is why Moby Dick is important, it was a major step towards what was to come.
>Unrelated but what did he mean by this
The whale knows its nature and that it is exactly what it is, unlike a certain captain who gets caught up in petty things and the lies/ideals/whatever he defines himself by. You should be learning something from this, Ahab.

>>22088586
The nigga literally says dying inside a whales sperm case is the second sweetest way to die and compares its mucus to a bridal gown. You seem to think im insulting him/calling moby dick a bad book by calling him autistic, im not. I simply know an autist when I see one, and Melville and thus Ishmael are autistic as shit. If any author were THIS enamoured with any subject matter I would consider them autistic as well

>>22088607
I never actually considered your personal opinion on it, just the question you posed but you seemed to have assumed my opinion on it. I am not a Melville fan but there are aspects of his writing which I do appreciate.

Read more Melville and writers of the time, Balzac and everything he set into motion would be worthwhile here. Melville was probably not autistic, just a tad overly ambitious when it came to Moby Dick, he pushed the form too far given the times he was writing in, which is why it largely failed on release but did become popular and important later on. It is a weird book stylistically speaking, in someways experimental and others a throwback, it has always been out of time and never really fit in anywhere.

You are completely ignoring his context, both the context he provides and what was provided for him by society, trying to view him from your context and defining him through his work. As far as possible autists in literature Melville is an assburger at best.

>>22088636
Ill concede solely because I haven’t really read his other stuff, but judging from moby dick alone I see him as an autistic, and judging the way Ishmael is written I see him ad autistic. What would you recommend by melville, I hope he hasn’t written mid like hemmingway