/lit/ - Literature

>>22080334
it's like the episode of spongebob where squidward needs to get a "Job" and Mr Krabs's role is similar to God's, delivering judgment without regards to human ideas of justice

>>22080334
>How do you explain the Book of Job?
Children are property, if you lose them God will give you a newer better model.

Do you understand the Patriarch-clan household structure?

>>22080334
What needs to be explained?

>>22080356
How do you justify God making Job suffer, and how do you justify suffering to the rest of the world?

>>22080358
>How does man justify God
Nice one punchy.

>>22080334
You don't, it explains you.

Shit happens and God will do whatever he wants and we'll never understand why or if there's even a reason for any of it

It's the original divine comedy.

>>22080358
It isn about that

>>22080508
Ok but people are still confused by the question "Why does God let people suffer?". Can you answer that?

>>22080523
Why not?

>>22080523
God isnt some petty desert storm deity that hovers over creation. He made the framework but once he gave us free will it was obvious that he would stay mostly hands off for the sake of causality.

>>22080533
I've never put it to words before but this is what I think as well.

>>22080523
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>>22080541
God is a petty desert storm deity that saw the hubris in Job in that Job felt righteousness rather than humility. Job felt that the benefits he gained were a result of his own actions, rather than the actions of his property-children^W^Wpetty desert HOMOSEXUAL COW SEX CULT GOD IT IS IN THE ILLUSTRATION WITH YHWH'S WIFE HAVING A PENIS AND IN ALL THE CASTRATED TEMPLE PROSTITUTES (MALE) (TRAP).

READ THE BIBLE PEOPLE HOT GAY SEX

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>>22080334
Read the Answer to Job by Carl Jung, dumbass

Was reading ecclesiastes today..there's so much wisdom and truth in it, its quite scary to be honest. The bibles frightening with how much in it still holds up today 2000 years later. I don't read the bible ever, not since i was a kid so i was pretty impressed.

>>22080533
Then it's not a god or God.

>>22080334
>explain the Book of Job
At the beginning of the book of Job is a scene in heaven where Satan stands before God. God asks Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job?” (Job 1:8), and Satan immediately accuses Job, a righteous man, of fearing God only because God had prospered him. “Strike everything he has,” Satan says, “and he will surely curse you to your face” (Job 1:11). God grants Satan limited permission to put Job to the test. Why do the righteous suffer? This is the question raised after Job loses his family, his wealth, and his health. Job’s three friends Eliphaz, Bildad, and Zophar, come to “comfort” him and to discuss his crushing series of tragedies. They insist his suffering is punishment for sin in his life. Job, though, remains devoted to God through all of this and contends that his life has not been one of sin. A fourth man, Elihu, tells Job he needs to humble himself and submit to God’s use of trials to purify his life. Finally, Job questions God Himself and learns valuable lessons about the sovereignty of God and his need to totally trust in the Lord. Job is then restored to health, happiness, and prosperity beyond his earlier state.

>>22080902

What does this explain?

>>22080822

Funny, I read Ecclesiastes the other day too. There is some eternal wisdom in that book. Pity that most Christians instead get so hung up on prophecies and legalistic nonsense.

>>22080334
>How do you explain the Book of Job?
He was a man that used his imagination poorly, and because of that he suffered from his own actions, at war with himself. But after finally having learned from his mistakes, with this lesson learned, Job started to imagine righteously. And so it would he be, for the rest of his life on this Earth.
https://realneville.com/txt/the_book_of_job.htm

I prefer the Book of Neet.

>>22081310
cringe tripe

THE BOOK OF JOB IS LONG AND BORING
NO-ONE CAN LIFT THE DAMN THING

>>22080533
Most of the Old Testament always goes against this. God literally acted in most cases where the supposed free will didn't exist.

>>22080358
>How does man justify God?
You played yourself.

>>22080334
>How do you explain the Book of Job?
Very easily.

Life is like sailing. You can't control the wind. You can learn to sail, you can get good at predicting the weather, you can have faith that wind will eventually blow, but there's nothing you can do to do master the wind, the wind is ultimately the master of you when you sail. When you accept the wind as your master you can achieve purpose together, and when you're done sailing you thank the wind.

If the Lord of Storms sends unfavorable winds your way and you don't have any of the aforementioned skills, you are fucked. And if you sit on the shore shitting and pissing yourself about how unfair the Lord of Storms is angrily shaking your fist at clouds you at best get nothing and at worse exacerbate a bad situation.

>>22080358
Because God is reality and not a human being. The bible is cbt to come to terms with reality. The point of Job is bad things happen to good people in reality but you can never let that demoralize you because being demoralized helps nothing and nobody. Stay thankful for what you have and what you had while you had it. That is the point of Job.

>>22081368
child

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>>22081383
Only non npcs in this thread.

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>>22081383
<21

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>>22080533
<25

>>22080758
worse misuse of this meme I've ever seen.

>>22081398
Kek, no.

>>22080358
Serious question, have you read Job? Particularly the end? Because the questions you’re asking sound like the arguments against Job made by every NPC that hasn’t actually read it.

>>22081402
Sorry, you're wrong.

>>22081403
Have YOU read Job you fucking lush? Even God shits on Job's friends for judging him, and that's what all smug babby's first theodicy Job readers are: Job's faggot "friends"

>>22081407
duuuuuuude god is like the wind brooooooooo an omnipotent all-loving deity is like a capricious pagan deity for the purpose of this argument maaaaaaaan.

Read more.

>>22081399
Guarantee this poster is 26 and works retail. It's such a shame that people think being genuine is uncool and detached aloofness is. Part of the reason this board is so shit.

>>22081413
Okay what's the lesson in Job then

>>22081413
Not at all what I said. You're still wrong too.

>>22080334
St. Thomas Aquinas does a line by line commentary of it for anyone interested.

>>22081368
This is a good post.

>>22080758
Impressively good - a lot of pride-pilled people here.

>>22081421
Joke: dude you should just grit your teeth and bear horrific circumstances that an ostensibly loving all-powerful God could rewrite instantly and at any moment because, uh, he made whales and shit

Woke: The Book of Job is a proto-gnostic or "gnosticoid" text, Job's lament is an accusation hurled at Yahweh himself, He who hoards all Being and therefore all justification to Himself, Job's repentance in "dust and ashes" at the end of the book was a last-minute revision by a middling interpolator who could not contend with the Greek pessimism at the heart of the text

Bespoke: Job's wife, who urges him to "curse God and die", is the true Wisdom and most based character in the Bible.

>>22081459
megapolitan bugman npc post

>>22081471
Please.

How did the author know what took place in heaven?

>>22081399
I'm >>22080495 and you got it right, though I am turning 25 in July.

>>22081459
Profoundly low IQ post. Imagine if someone asks you to explain themes motives and morals in a movie and instead you start explaining the history of cinema and techniques of filmmaking as if that answers the question. Log off bro.

>>22081413
Are you mentally retarded?

> casually walks into God's realm
> "yeah dude i'm walkin'"
> gets a permission from God to torture a random guy
> leaves
What's his endgame?

I was just reading some commentaries on Job, and found this by Chesterton. It doesn't answer any questions but it provides some useful perspectives.
https://www.chesterton.org/introduction-to-job/
Hope it helps

>>22080523
>Can you answer that?
Nope. Nobody really knows the mind of God. In the book of Job the previously dominant ideas are presented by the three friends. The friends / human history said that all suffering is God / the gods punishing people for something in some form. The book of Job says it's much more complicated than that, you can be eaten by a monster through no fault of your own but following principles that help you avoid monsters is still good. The Bible presents an idea that the source of suffering itself is our choice to know the fruit / result of knowledge of good and evil. We didn't choose this after we became flesh, we chose it while in perfect unity with God, when the division was only conceptual in the mind of God or something like that.

>>22081646
>imagine someone asks you to explain themes and motives and you do just that
Reddit person, reddit soul

>>22081459
>calling God "he" and thinking "he" has a mind

>>22081410
>vehemently angry, despite misunderstanding Job and misunderstanding anon

>>22081337
Only the valueless find it to be of no value.

>>22081734
>has nothing to say about the rest of the post, the argument that monotheism has never been able to reconcile omnipotence with the reality of evil, the notion that Yahweh is a monad who monopolizes Being by depriving his creatures of it as directly expressed and defended by this shitwit post (>>22080758), the claim that Job's wife is indeed based and a true gnostic abbess smuggled right into the heart of the OT
>gets triggered by pronouns
sad

>>22081310
>because of that he suffered
In the story the premise is there's no good reason for his suffering. The question is will a man who is righteous but gains no reward for it remain righteous and should he? The answer is yes virtue generally helps you even if it hasn't so far.

>>22081783
NTA but you seem retarded and incapable of theology. Find something else to discuss.

>>22081831
>nta but I'm retarded too
Keep us posted

>>22080334
It is the intrinsic love of god himself, not circumstantial states of being where the true rock of belief lies. if your faith is only contigent on circumstance, it is no true faith, but petty and passing, no different from any other worldly affectation. While God himself is to be the universal object, that is what makes him God.

Its kind of like a ring of Gyges, does a fundamental principle hold true if there is no onus to continue it as a face.

>>22080334
God is an evil fuck. A storybook villain, just like Zeus. They’re all written that way to explain the evil in the world. Jesus is the nonsensical aberration in the narrative. The carpenter’s cult has never made sense and the clerics that institutionalized it spent a lot of time trying to fix it, explain it, and then hide it from the commoners.

>>22081783
How would monotheism not be okay with ((>**""evil""**<))

>>22082085
>le smug ortholarper porn addict who read the introduction to the philokalia and is now a hesychastic father
Stop posting

>>22080334
That Job needs to shut the fuck up

>>22082503
You haven’t read it. He picks at him like a kid does a stunned fly because he’s making bets with the devil, his close friend whom he himself invented.

>>22081410
>NO YOU

You probably need to read the Talmud to know this but Job ordered the deaths of Egyptian babies, it wasn't just judgment out of the blue like your 'newer revised' King James Bible would have you thinking

>>22080334
>>22080334
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>>22080758
This meme triggers the prideful.

>>22082919
YOU LIE

>Ignoring that it was satan that did all the misdeeds

Cherry picking /lit at its finest

>>22083230
Inb4 that anon you replied to makes a retarded argument about God being omnipotent while ignoring the narrative format of the story (e.g. God asking Satan where he has been).

>>22083339
everything happened to erase Job's doubts in his heart

>>22080334
Nigga didn’t want to work, hence the name

>>22081694
to lose

>>22081734
>thinks he's not a he
> not knowing about and worshipping god's immaculate penis

>>22081399
>le older is...LE WISER
no bitch you're just a step closer to death

>>22085324
<18

>>22085334
it doesn't work on grown up kids

>>22083230
>Ignoring that it was satan that did all the misdeeds
And who send him, anon?

>>22086547
Who scouted Job?

That is its job. You dont understand the moral of the book

>>22086547
>>22083339 (there it is)

>>22083339
>e.g. God asking Satan where he has been
God asks questions in the Bible in order to make the respondant think about the answer rhetorically; He already knows the answers. Sometimes He tells you the answer to the question(s) as well, other times it's supposed to be obvious, and yet other times you really need to think carefully about it.

>>22087207
In this case the anon to whom I was responding fell back on the idea of omnipotency to find moral fault with God and in so doing not only ignores the narrative structure of Job but ironically does the very thing the story is telling him he cannot do: define and understand omnipotency according to his terms. It's overtly disingenuous given the narrative and idiotic given the subject matter.

The obvious take away from Job is humility before divine will. Fedora tippers don't like humility because their beliefs are based on pride.

>>22080334
You cant rationalize God.

>>22087248
You can't rationalize the Satan

>>22087248
Religious people do it all the time.

>>22087624
And they commit a grievous error when they do.