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On the Genealogy of Morality if you want a more systematic work, Twilight of the Idols if you want a more aphoristic work.

>>22070238
What about beyond good and evil, I got told by a friend this was the best place to start. He also said thus spoke zarathustra is the worst place to start lol

Depends on a lot of things. You can read asz without any knowledge of the history of philosophy, but it won't be as funny. You can go with the nachlass and gain no comprehensive or cohesive understanding of his view but have a wild and quotable ride. Going in order is a pretty big commitment, especially if you want to fill in his references by adding in a history of philosophy and his pun with German as extra reading, but it's the best way. If you're going in cold and only going to read one book by him, and act like a blissful idiot about it, Zarathustra or aphorism and letter collections.

>>22070249
Thus spoke zarathustra is indeed the worst place to start. Beyond Good and Evil is a fine place to start, but its a bit difficult to grasp what Nietzsche is saying since it is so wide ranging and sometimes contradictory, compared to something like the Genealogy. Take up what interests you.

>>22070234
Read this before starting with Nietzsche.

>>22070234
Twilight of the Idols followed by Genealogy.
Beyond Good and Evil is an ok place to start too.
Zarathustra is honestly just kind of bad and is extremely unrepresentative of the rest of his work. Save it for last.

>>22070346
tfw Zarathustra is the only Neitzsche book I've read.

I have since read that Zarathustra was the capstone of all his previous writings, but no on got it, so he wrote Good and Evil to dumb it all down a bit.

Not being a Nietzsche scholar, I don't know how true this is.

>>22070238
>aphoristic
I don't even know what this word means.....

Don't read Nietzsche. He was a professional philologist, was immersed in ancient literature, had a good grasp of philosophy and sciences of his day. WHO do you think YOU are, a literally who brainlet retard who problably has not read any philosophy and half assed most of his fiction book reads? Do you really think you can even START to understand Nietzsche? Do you think WE need another low iq retard who interprets Nietzsche awfully and creates new threads to ask his dumb ass questions? Go read something else, high culture is not for everyone.

>>22070431
I will read Nietzsche and I will interpret him how I please.

>>22070515
Freddy would be proud and help you fill out your dance card, bro
>>22070431
>this much ressentiment
Pls take a walk, touch grass, eat some fruit and steak, have a cathartic dance to the tune of your choice, and discover the new and eternal accidents of fate around you, or we're not taking you to the sweet shop again

>>22070379
It's designed to be a stand alone work. It's sort of like with the Bible, you could read all the four gospels and compare translations and differing incidences, and round it off with discovering the links between those and all other gospels and contemporaneous writings... Or you could read just Luke and nobody will notice.

>>22070238
>Genealogy of Morals and Twilight of the Idols
this. Human, All Too Human is also a good choice.
>>22070249
>>22070346
You can start with BGAE but it's pretty cryptic so I wouldn't recommend it until you are at least familiar with Nietzsche's core philosophy.

>>22070546
>Nietzsche is le... wholesome heckerino!
Nietzsche would literally be for enslaving retards like you

>>22070719
>Nietzsche is le... wholesome heckerino!
no one in this thread has said this

>>22070234
I started with The Gay Science.

>>22070719
>Anon clumps together Nietzsche's aphorisms to mock Anon
>Anon says he doesn't think Nietzsche would approve of all this nice posting
Never change /lit/

>>22070946
he was mostly taking bits of Nietzsche's biography, only mentioned one aphorism, what the fuck are you talking about. You are also getting enslaved in the upcoming aristocratic revolution.

>>22071115
>enslaved
Exterminated, anon. Once automatization and drones get good enough, rich people will have no need for the masses. So they'll just kill 'em all.

Its either that or civilization collapses before reaching that level of technology.

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>>22071236
terrible book

>>22071236
>>22071238
Gay author.
>>22070234
Human, all too human.

>>22071115
>he was mostly taking bits of Nietzsche's biography
>this much cope
He's giving advice from Twilight of the Idols, Thus Spake Zarathustra, and The Gay Science. I haven't even read all of Nietzsche, and I know Anon blew you the fuck out here >>22070546 and it went so far above your head you got two (You)s out of me. Tell me about how you're not counting as subhuman in your fanfiction of Nietzsche again and we might get to three.

>>22070234
none, would you trust a man with a mustache like that?

>>22070234
>Birth of Tragedy/On Truth & Lies in the Nonmoral Sense, Gay Science, Zarathustra
Go back and read the aphoristic early works from Human All Too Human again chronologically through Zarathustra.
Skip to Genealogy of Morals, then do Beyond Good And Evil.

The late works will not be accessible with out this preparation for Zarathustra as the key and cipher for the rest.

>>22070234
The Birth of Tragedy Out of the Spirit of Music.

>>22070234
Genealogy of Morals. It's where you find out that black people feel less pain than white people.

>>22070234
Twilight of the Idols. He explicitly wrote it as an introduction to his thought.

>>22073425
How can one man be so based?

>>22073939
What is at all based about that paragraph? If anything he seems to be denigrating whites (as he always does).

I started reading Thus Spoke Zarathustra a few weeks ago and my life immediately improved.
I got my first client for my new business, I started getting out in nature, and I've been lifting harder than ever before.

>>22070346
false, Zarathustra is fine to start as long as you acknowledge you'll be filtered by some of it at first

>>22073425
>>22073939
>>22075608
The blonde beast is just as primeval as the negro. Think Haaland.

>>22075608
Might make more sense with more context:
>Perhaps pain – I say this to comfort the squeamish – did not hurt as much then as it does now; at least, a doctor would be justified in assuming this, if he had treated a Negro (taken as a representative for primeval man) for serious
internal inflammations which would drive the European with the stoutest constitution to distraction; – they do not do that to Negroes. (The curve of human capacity for pain actually does seem to sink dramatically and almost precipitously beyond the first ten thousand or ten million of the cultural élite; and for myself, I do not doubt that in comparison with one night of pain endured by a single, hysterical blue stocking, the total suffering of all the animals who have been interrogated by the knife in scientific research is as nothing.)

>>22070234
Imagine trying to eat with that thing.

>>22076468
>Burke and the local Shakespeare preservation society on suicide watch

>>22071211
Have you seen what rich people go around doing? They're just upjumped burghers, any robot intelligent to eradicate mankind would finally turn their guns on their so-called masters

>>22070234
Genealogy of Morality is all you need to understand Nietzsche. Everything else naturally follows from that.