/lit/ - Literature

>>22069998
What are some books about OP being a penis-addled faggot who doesn't read?

>>22069998
There is no definitive teaching. St. Thomas argues that unbaptised babies go to limbo, which is the nice part of hell, where people do not suffer but are happy. They just don’t get to feast on the essence of God like the Saints do.
I personally believe that God gives everybody the chance to be united with him, so those unbaptised babies in limbo could eventually turn to God and go to Heaven.


> Further, Gregory Nazianzen, in his fortieth sermon, which is entitled On Holy Baptism, distinguishes three classes of unbaptised persons: those namely who refuse to be baptised, those who through neglect, have put off being baptised until the end of life and have been surprised by sudden death and those who, like infants, have failed to receive it through no fault of theirs. Of the first, he says that they will be punished, not only for their other sins but also for their contempt of Baptism; of the second, that they will be punished, though less severely than the first, for having neglected it; and of the last, he says that a just and eternal Judge will consign them neither to heavenly glory nor to the eternal pains of hell, for although they have not been signed with Baptism, they are without wickedness and malice and have suffered rather than caused their loss of Baptism. He also gives the reason why, although they do not reach the glory of heaven, they do not therefore suffer the eternal punishment suffered by the damned: Because there isamean between the two, since he who deserves not honour and glory is not for that reason worthy of punishment and, on the other hand, he who is not deserving of punishment is not, for that reason, worthy of glory and honour.
St Thomas

>>22070008
One curse word in here, and that is one too many. If you disagree with that, then you do not love God, you are still in your sins, and you are getting ripe for judgement.

>>22070027
>I personally believe that God gives everybody the chance to be united with him, so those unbaptised babies in limbo could eventually turn to God and go to Heaven.
This is exactly the kind of "salvation for all" that reeks of post-V2 modernism. Like it or not, one simply doesn't ascend into heaven from limbo after some arbitrary waiting time. The logic here is clear, albeit hard to swallow. I pray for the souls of the unbaptized dead.

>>22069998
>I cannot locate any literature about the fate of unbaptized stillborn babies, despite that the incorporation into the body of Christ is a clearly (Latin: rite) preordained requirement for salvation.
They never signed the form for limbo of the innocents, and fsspx had to accept everything between 1988 and 2009 to not be apostate, so I'd assume the 2008 limbo status of limbo applies to them also.
>>22069998
>To me it's clear that these lost children are in hell.
This is automatic excommunication. You can go on practicing but you're officially not in communication with any Catholic church or congregation by doing this. Not saying what God's view on it is, but if you are a Catholic you might want to think about how you would lack the excuse of not knowing by professing to know, how you cannot excuse your lack of dutiful inquiry as those who would know know is invalid for them, and you're signed to a contract which says you would not work for the devil like that.

>>22070039
>Not saying what God's view on it is
And yet you feel the need to tell me that the theological conclusions I've reached by considering the facts are worthy of excommunication?
>you're signed to a contract which says you would not work for the devil like that.
I politely object to such orotund bellywash as that.Take heed of your words: pride goeth before a fall.

>>22070050
I told you what you need to accept to avoid latae sententiae, even by the much laxer standards of excommunication the modern church holds.
And pride goes before destruction while a haughty spirit goes before a fall.

>>22070055
Proposition 1: We are born into sin.
>Psalm 51:5: Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.
>inb4 "that only refers to Judah and Tamar." No, it is a generalization of the status naturalis of man.
>Job 14:4: Who can make the clean out of the unclean? No one!
Proposition 2: Baptism is a requirement for the remission of sins.
>incorporation into Christ occurs under the condition of baptism (Rom. 6:3; Gal. 3:27). So unless one is prepared to say that one is saved without their sins being forgiven - quite a brash statement - then they must admit that baptism is an unavoidable condition of salvation (Acts 2:38; 22:16).
Conclusion: it follows that the unbaptized, regardless of age, is in sin and as such will be condemned to the Lake of Fire, as a precondition for salvation and entry into Christ is the remission of sin through holy baptism.

Where exactly is the flaw in this reasoning?

>>22069998

>>22069998
>FSSPX
CMRI is better

>>22070085
>How is my personal interpretation wrong??
Lel you could at least quote the Bible right if you want to become a Protestant, anonkun.

>>22070035
Vatican II was an apostate modernist council but that doesn’t mean you have to be against everything that “reeks” like it. The Bible says God is fair to everyone, so it stands to reason those infants are not getting a bad deal

>>22070119
>not getting a bad deal
EXACTLY the kind of ambivalent, wishy-washy, suspicious answer I'm talking about.

>>22070142
I just told you there’s no definitive teaching. St. Thomas believed in limbo. Why is that not enough for you