/lit/ - Literature

>>22036134
who is fucking drawing this shit?
Lmao.

What does /wg/ think of third person deep narration (where it's third person written in the voice/personality of one character)?

For example, writing:
>He peered out the window. “Are they coming for me?” he wondered as he listened to the sound of distant hoofbeats
as
>He peered out the window. Were they coming for him? Hoofbeats rumbled in the distance.

i’m a hobby writer, all i’ve ever written is novel-style things. i’ve been writing this book for…nine years…and when writing i constantly feel that it’s meant to be a tv show, not a novel lol. since i don’t plan on attempting to publish or anything serious, i let myself indulge and allow the writing to come out the way it wants to. i’m just curious if this is a common feeling or not? i’ve thought about trying to write it as a script, but i need to look into that bc i have no idea how those are set up lol. anyway, jw if others have felt that too

>>22036268
i like 3rd limited more than 3rd omni

>>22036134
Jesus, that pic makes me feel like shit.

How Do You Manage When Writing is no longer enjoyable? I lived writing for so long. I've always wanted to be an author, and I loved coming up with fun story concepts and larger than life characters. All I've ever wanted is for my work to give people a bit of reprieve from this chaotic world, a temporary way to escape the drudgery of life. But lately, I can't help but hate everything I create. Nothing about my work seems to do it for me anymore. Everything about writing, from brainstorming ideas to plots, just feels like so much of a chore now. I haven't even published anything yet, but I still can't help but despise the very act of putting words on the page. I know on some level that I'm overthinking things. Regrettably and admittedly, it's something I do a lot. But, I am curious how anyone else who has faced this problem has pushed through it.

Have you written a book with next to no planning before? I'm curious about the process of just sitting down and writing to excess with little concern as to the actual plan of the whole thing. I sort of did it myself (although to actually call it a book probably isn't accurate) and now I'm concerned that it's the only way I can ever actually commit to a story.

For example, a few months ago I was really into writing a cyberpunk novel and I had all this world building noted down but when it came to actually getting the plot points in order it all fell apart and I lost interest. What I got was 4k words of arbitrary flashbacks and 2k of clunky plot and character development that went nowhere, and I feel like it's because I put too much thought into the whole thing.

I'm used to writing short stories, less than 2k usually, so I suppose I'm just struggling to adjust to something resembling an 'actual writer's' ambitions. It's only been two years, maybe a little bit longer, so I'm very much still an amateur. But I don't know, I want to do something more substantial.

This is the most powerful language-model assisted simulated metafictionally self-aware narrative entity I have ever summoned:

https://sharegpt.com/c/txUfYs7

>what?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_LPJllaogU

>>22036369
I have told stories before that I did not know exactly how I'd tell them, writing one should be the same way. But the important similarity needs to be that in both cases the author, or "teller," knows the important parts to tell and when it's over there is a holistic reason for why that story was just told.
So you sort of need to know the ending to be a good storyteller, thus goes against the free-flow-just-stream-it-on-paper method. I think you need to start with some vague reason why you are attempting the story, then go with the flow. But have a reason first.

>>22036157
Agreed. I'd prefer AI-generated images to this depressing crap.

Here's a less retarded OP, since the anti-AI-image seether is determined to implicitly make himself, and his cause, look really stupid.

/wg/ AUTHORS & FLASH FICTION: https://pastebin.com/ruwQj7xQ
RESOURCES & RECOMMENDATIONS: https://pastebin.com/nFxdiQvC

Please limit excerpts to one post.
Give advice as much as you receive it to the best of your ability.
Follow prompts made below and discuss written works for practice; contribute and you shall receive.
If you have not performed a cursory proofread, do not expect to be treated kindly. Edit your work for spelling and grammar before posting.
Violent shills, relentless shill-spammers, and grounds keeping prose, should be ignored and reported.

Simple guides on writing:
>https://youtu.be/pHdzv1NfZRM
>https://youtu.be/whPnobbck9s
>https://youtu.be/YAKcbvioxFk

>>22036440
why are you such a control freak, AI-tard?

after having started to plan out and write a novel I realized that most of the advice given here is situational/inapplicable at best and malicious at worst. my writing improves when i'm not here. something to think about for other writers.

>>22036461
I just have standards, is all. I can see how that'd be alien to you.
Not only are your OP pics depressing, but they're anime/manga. As if that's some sort of improvement.

>>22036479
you don't even write

>>22036494
You literally don't know that.
Your mouth is writing checks that your ass can't cash.

>>22036507
i know that because you're here 24/7 and you're obsessed with controlling this thread like a reddit moderator. you're like a dog chasing its tail. never satisfied

>>22036515
>24/7
Not even close.
>obsessed with controlling this thread
Isn't that code for "waah waah you keep making me look like an idiot"?
>never satisfied
I have high standards.

>>22036528
you think everyone here is the same person huh. gb2reddit you dumbass. you don't belong here

>>22036532
>banality

>>22036479
Just because this OP doesn't have an AI image and your redditor YouTube guides any idiot could've gotten with one google search doesn't make it bad. You're a psycho and loser. Your writing sucks balls and your premises are something a 13 year old would cook up before masturbating

>>22036544
>bathos

>>22036316
>i’ve been writing this book for…nine years
wew lad

>>22036316
post that sheet

>>22036134
people who fantasize about killing anime girls (or any attractive, fictional characters) would 100% murder people in real life for sexual gratification if they thought they could get away with it.

>>22036316
>i’ve been writing this book for…nine years
It's over. I find that books or ideas that ferment that long bloat and go rancid

>>22036134
>3rd fucked up OP in a row
>guys is abusing everyone who doesnt like it
At least Ai-anon was polite and informative with his autism.

I'm so meta I meta my metafiction.

https://sharegpt.com/c/txUfYs7

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_L

I'm so meta I meta my metafiction.

https://sharegpt.com/c/txUfYs7

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_LPJllaogU

samefag samefags

No fucking way AI fag is sinking to the level of complimenting himself anonymously. This is next level pathetic

>>22036157
>>22036323

Was thinking of this the other day, it was posted on /sci/ like a month ago. There's a whole genre of "cruelty" stuff like this in furry art which has genuine aesthetic value in that it makes you feel something. It hits and it hurts, we empathize with the bugs because they are anthropomorphized as cute anime girls, far more than we do with our real fellow human beings, who are generally gross and ugly.

In sick furry art, the main trend I'm thinking of is "fluffies" or similar. It's a series of pictures depicting conventionally cute little fluffy characters being senselessly tortured, and who have enough intelligence to question (in cute baby talk!) why this is happening to them as they are being tortured.

>>22036656
reminds me of this comic

>>22036656
This stuff is basically OG monkey torture videos. Its kind of scary seeing how many thoroughly unwell people are out there.

>>22036656
reminds me of that blind girl comic by popopoka

that one really tugs at the heart strings.

>>22036713

If you're of a certain depraved mind, there is an enjoyment in cruelty for its own sake (ooh we're doing the bad naughty thing). Whence children torturing animals. I still detect a hint of moralizing in your reply even though you had the image response ready to go. I repeat that we seem to care more about fake cartoon animals being tortured than we do about the latest real shootings, stabbings, bombings.

I still remember pinning grandma's cat down and dry-humping it when no one else was around. Hurling my guinea pig against the wall for no reason, and simply because I could.* Grasping a moth one morning as a paperboy, forcibly extending its proboscis with my fingernail, and then observing the destruction of its head as I pulled the thing out slowly.

*She bit me very hard shortly afterwards, and deservedly. Anyway she lived to the ripe old age of 9.

Stop making early threads

>>22036762
Are you well

>>22036768
>in 4chan
>in /lit/
>on /wg/
what do you think

>>22036647
Indeed, no fucking way.
Assuming I was self-stroking is just more...well, you know.

90% done a final line edit and I'll finish tomorrow. Feels great.

>>22036656
4 years ago I read "fur just wants to be friends" which was depressing furry misery porn and it ruined my day.

>>22036819
That's the test of real art, my central point. Amphigorey Too terrified me as a child.

>reread an old book i wrote
>Realize I can never reproduce it again.
Writing really is just a moment in time thing.

Probably going to finish ghostwriting this blurb tomorrow. Anyone else need an editor for cheap?

>>22036157

My shit gets pretty saucey. Should I specify that each character is above 18 or leave it up to the reader's imagination?

>>22036268
I like the second version better and I actually use it in most of my writing, so yes.

>>22036912
What a faggot question

I have an idea for a short story, but how would I go about developing that idea more and turning it into something with nuance rather than a simple "man does x" thing?

Just looking for a few ideas to tease the idea out some more.

>>22036941
man wants to do x, so he y, but then z

>>22036941
Man does x IN SPACE but THEN A SKELETON POPPED OUT

>>22036948
>>22036946
and then?

>>22036950
That's your job

>>22036656
I just find it so tryhard that it's funny.

Anons what do you think of a character in a fiction who smokes vs a person in real life who smokes?
Being real, I think smoking in real life is bad because it doesn't smell good, and I grew up in a time where everyone told me not to do it, but seeing characters smoke in fiction makes me think they look really cool.

>>22036134
>Finish muh writing for the day.
>Decide to come and give fellow anons encouragement and advice were requested.
>See thread.
>Ohmy.png
I mean this in the least abusive way possible OP/anti-AI-anon. Seek mental assistance. This fixation you have on me and this thread is doing you serious mental harm. Not only have you tuned this general into a hate fest with your incessant same fagging but you are abusing other anons instead of your intended target (me).

This has to be one of the most severe cases of self gaslighting i have ever witnessed on this site in my 10 years of lurking.

Again i'm not trying to be abusive with this advice but please contact your general practitioner of mental health professional for some mood stabilizers or something because with the repeated graphic references to hurting defenseless small females I genuinely worry what you might do with your misplaced anger.

I'm going to have a fap now. I hope your day improves and you find some time to constructively journal your feelings.

>>22036982
I personally use smoking as a symbol of a suicidal/depressed character.

>>22036134
Sorry, but literary genius coming through.
https://pastebin.com/8AARDzsB

>>22036656
>>22036157
Sociopaths draw it

>>22036134
I walked through the asylum's hallway with torch in hand. There was nothing out of the ordinary. It was not so bad being a security guard, I thought, until I heard the sound. A deep yet girlish voice came from behind: "I'm trans."
I turned. In the shadows, the thing appeared. I wish I had not shone my light on it, for it was a harrowed pooner, whose eyes stared at me as if possessed of no vitality. Their face was like a pale deep sea fish in the halo of my torchlight. I knew these abominations were locked up in asylums, yet the sight of it filled my head with stamping heartbeat and the rush of fear. As I walked back, the light's halo expanded until the entire insanity-inducing body was exposed.
The pooner was bare naked, to my horror. Rolls of fat sat horribly upon its waist below a flat chest covered in cicatrices. It lurched forward, its cock swaying like a gutted pig on a slaughterhouse meat hook. This sexual member had no function, I came to understand, other than being a crude statuette and fetish for whatever insanity helped construct it. The thing dangled from an overgrown bush covered in foetid slime mould; it extended down past those pale thighs, covered in a patchwork of surgical scars, cellulite, and newfound hair. The scars were by far the most unsightly, as though from Mengele's hackwork that carved out sizeable steaks from the pooner's once feminine body.
The hair seemed especially unnatural, brought about by whatever horrid combination of synthesised hormones, hitherto unknown to real and cisgender men. The pooner's body resembled that of a cadaver's, as its terrible, maddening 'penis' had been grafted from the flesh on its thighs. A crooked chunk of flesh, rolled into a mockery of a human appendage, was sutured with the intricate stitching, akin again to some mad doctor at Birkenau. Ye gods, the sight of it almost made me catatonic! The cock weeped with pus and the smell of rot emanated from it; necrotic wounds littered the corpse flesh like little gates to hell.

https://voca.ro/18CjS5TSWEfd

>>22037050
>don't need the the context preamble
>phonics/linguistics over done.
>crickets at sea?
>'mine proboscis' - Its a good word but doesn't fit the setting
>repetition of pale works well
>'cackling as the mad kookaburra' - could be 'cackling madder than a choir o kookaburra's'
>'Madman, thou art a madman,' - could be 'Thou art madder than tha maddest o all men.'

A for effort!

>>22037252
Sorry man. You didn't seem to get my work. You can't understand genius until you possess it.

>>22036713
>>22036762
fluffies are the distilled essence of sadism, it's a wonderful niche
Monkeys are too human to hurt them unless they individually did something wrong. I'd probably feel differently if I lived in a thirdie country with swarms of them shitting everywhere
Humans should know better but still act vile, so I'm a misanthrope with a general appreciation for gore. I'd rather watch human gore than monkey gore, they're in a weird sweetspot unlike people or animals
I feel like I can relate to medieval people, who would skin street cats and watch executions for fun but who also kept their own pets and protected them

>>22036605
no actually, because that gratification would be better than sex

Bros, the word "smile" came up 12 times in less than three thousand words, I feel like it's kind of a lot, and I've been told that normally this isn't a good thing, but in my story, it is a big point that the MC has to act happy around people when they don't want to, so they often smile. Can I get away with this, or is this evident of bad writing?

i been writing all day showed my creative writing professor god told to kms

>>22037305
let other people read it without telling them the issue and see if it pop ups.

>>22015048
I've not caught up with the threads, as I've been busy not shitposting; sorry for replying 6 days and multiple threads later. But I somewhat have the same thing. Most of my characters are people leaning over the ledge of mental illness, while my main character has done a backflip off that ledge.

>>22036316
I'm actually in a similar situation, but it's been a whopping 12 years since I started the first draft of my book when I was a teenager. I always envisioned it as an animated series or video game. Of course, I've worked on other things and trunked it repeatedly, only to inevitably return to it, but I'm only just getting serious about trying to publish it now. The entire traditional market's changed for the worse since then becoming increasingly feminized and the idea's a lot less unique than it was when I came up with it, but it obviously wasn't up to snuff back in the day.

>>22036316
I only started to feel this way once I started seriously researching publishing. Nothing drains my creative juices faster than thinking about the ins and outs of the industry. The low odds of success, querying, finding comp titles, and having to kiss an agent's ass. Worst of all potentially going through all of that just to have your book not even earn out your advance and end up virtually unpublishable in the future. I try to put all of this out of mind by listening to music and focusing purely on the writing.

>>22036157
https://nitter.net/kishimen_UDN/media Get em.

>>22036316
I'm actually in a similar situation, but it's been a whopping 12 years since I started the first draft of my book when I was a teenager. I always envisioned it as an animated series or video game. Of course, I've worked on other things and trunked it repeatedly, only to inevitably return to it, but I'm only just getting serious about trying to publish it now. The entire traditional market's changed for the worse since then becoming increasingly feminized and the idea's a lot less unique than it was when I came up with it, but it obviously wasn't up to snuff back in the day.

>>22036367
I only started to feel this way once I began to seriously consider publishing traditionally. Nothing drains my creative juices faster than thinking about the ins and outs of the industry. Needing comparison titles that follow a stringent set of rules, having to query, needing to promote myself on social media, and basically having to kiss an agent's ass. Worst of all is even if you do everything right and beat the incredibly low odds, your book still might not sell well enough to earn out your advance, making your future work even harder to publish. I try to put all of this out of mind and listen to music while writing, but it's hard.

>>22037410
>https://nitter.net/kishimen_UDN/media
I just downloaded 100 images. I'm gonna be able to be OP for weeks

>>22036936
I'll take that as "don't bother"

writing a book for 9 years? haven't you evolved and changed as a person? please tell me these 9 years include full rewrites, but even still..

>>22037308
can you show me your work? i wouldnt say this to you, and i can give you more insightful feedback

do any writers here not actually read?

>>22037670
>why yes, I've written more books than I've read

>>22037670
Probably a good proportion of them. (((Krake))) says he doesn't read short stories and I doubt he reads novels.

writer/critic/lit youtuber recommendations please

>>22037670
When I first started, my 'reading' was manga and genreshlock audiobooks. My writing vastly improved when I started reading paperbacks again.

>>22037730
Me, as soon as the Mishima vid is done getting edited.

>>22037730
Krimsonrogue does extensive critiques of the sort of books I imagine /lit/ anons would be capable of writing

>>22037737
Seems weird that you'd start with Mishima. I always saw your chudlit episodes as something you were mostly uninterested in. Like you were only doing it because it was one of the few things that got views.

>>22037754
Wasn't planned, it was just the most recent novel I finished worth doing an extended talk on. I actually liked The Sound of Waves and I've got a critique partner who's a super nerd for Mishima.

Going to do a lot of small content vids as I work through my backlog to find another book worth actually reviewing. Pride&Prejudice might get a long video just so I can talk about enjoying specific aspects of books if not the whole thing.

Does A.L. Rienspects go to /wg/ or is he just a /lit/ anon? I really liked your book, champ.

>>22037029
>This has to be one of the most severe cases of self gaslighting i have ever witnessed on this site
>please contact your general practitioner of mental health professional for some mood stabilizers or something
Don't use Gaslight unless you've seen the actual movie.

>>22037764
>Wasn't planned
Good. I was worried you were falling into the trap of pandering to us. Glad to hear your channel is coming along nicely though I do hope you've upgraded to a real microphone now.

>>22037737
ok give a link or username for 'me' and ill subscribe

>>22037798
I am a "one problem at a time" kind of guy. I'm getting used to OBS right now, but actual editing is still beyond me and I need a real channel logo, so I'll get a power supply for my microphone sometime later.

>>22037822
@jameskrake , I haven't posted the vids so far here because I don't think they've been relevant to /wg/. Even the video I have coming out today at 1pm will probably be regarded as obvious shit, wasting people's time. It's certainly not obvious to normies though.

>>22037782
It was a play you illiterate cocksucker.

>>22037833
Are you going to try weekly uploads, more or less? Been bored out of my mind lately and need a reason to look at yt besides music, something about books is always nice.

>>22037833
i'm mainly looking for people that are 'enthusiastic' about their topics, not too worried about the subjects per se. or at least not about finding something profound

>>22037885
For now, every other day about small subjects and responses, with long form hopefully every week. I am leery of holding myself to reviewing everything I read. I don't think I have anything particularly interesting to say about Spice&Wolf for instance, but I like reading it.

I've already approached some other indies about having them on to talk about their inspirations and plug (not shill) their projects.

A lot of people want me to do "how-to-write" videos but I won't be doing that until I'm full time authoring.

>>22037833
>right click video
>Stats for nerds
You know what I'm going to say..

>>22036713
I prefer Yukkuri abuse but i love fluffy abuse too.
I dont know why i like this shit when real animal cruelty is one of the few things that really depress me.

>>22037908
No, I don't know what you're going to say. Anon, if you think I know what I'm doing, you are sorely mistaken.

Is my resolution too low or something?

>>22037920
Audio is too low. The audio normalization section shows how close you are to -14 LUFS (general loudness standard for music on YouTube). Most talking head videos like to sit around -16 to -18 LUFS. Your video is sitting at about -24.
https://auphonic.com
Use this to do it automatically. Run your audio file through that at -18 and it will do everything for you. 2 hours of free audio processing per month. Change your IP, clear cookies and sign up for a new account if you need more than that.

>>22037932
Are you sure I can't set that up in the settings of OBS?

>>22037938
nta but you can do it correctly in obs the first time in the record, make sure your audio levels are almost touching red, they should be in the yellow area 90%. If they are only hitting green then it's too low.

Garageband has audio normalization if you have that. But if it's only a matter of getting the levels high enough just record it properly the first time. Use a compressor and limiter filter in OBS to polish it a bit.

>>22037938
Kind of. It's beyond your current understanding of OBS. You would need to use a compressor and a limiter with a shitload of trial and error to consistently fall within the range of -16 to -18. I know you're just using OBS to record the audio and video at the same time and throwing that up as is but this is a bad habit that you're going to have to break out of eventually.
If you want a quick and easy work around for now try setting your gain a bit higher. Try to set it so that your natural audio peaks sit around -6 to -7db. That way if you do get a bit louder you shouldn't go over 0db (going over 0db causes audio distortions that cannot be repaired no matter what. Also called clipping.) This is generally what streamers do on Twitch before they learn how to use VST plugins.

>>22037952
I don't suppose you have a tutorial handy for how to adjust the audio levels?

>>22037959
There are hundreds of tutorials about audio in OBS on youtube. It shouldn't take you more than an hour to watch them and implement fine audio on your videos.

>>22037956
>>22037967
I'll see if I improve that on my next upload then.

>>22037970
Your audio is fine. You dont need to do this autistic audio stuff

>>22037981
>@jameskrake
>>22037970
Yeah I just took a listen, it's fine. Just make sure when you record that the audio is comfortably in the yellow range.

>tried recording an audiobook for my novel
>mumble everything, can't even understand what i'm saying
feels bad man

>>22038005
Yeah, it's a trained skill. There's a reason voice actors can charge money.

also krake if youre still here, shoot me(tridetect) a dm on twitter. my old discord account got banned and i cant log into it. ill help you with obs and editing if you need it

>>22036910
I'll need one once I'm finished, which could be soon or could be a while. If you leave me a way to relay you and I can reach out once it's ""done""

>>22037981
The truth is, 90% of the general YouTube audience won't care. They'll just turn their Windows audio up 20 notches and not be bothered from there. The issue is, this is a standard that is in place for a reason. A reason that you likely don't understand. As you are now, you are not in a position to be subverting standards. And how likely are you too quit subverting these standards at this one?
Sure, you've only put off 10% of your audience with this. No big deal. But what percentage of the remaining audience will you put off with your audio clipping? What percentage of that remaining audience will you put off with your sibilance issues? What percentage of this now remaining audience will you put off with your microphone popping?
This is before we've even gotten into the actual editing stage of the audio and we've already compounded issue upon issue, each leading to their own compounding loss in viewership.
This isn't about Krake needing, with every fiber of his being, to crank that audio up 6dbs. It's about his state of mind as a creator.

>Start writing something
>Spend days working on the first few chapters and post it online
>People like it, I like it
>Suddenly the story feels absurd
>Suddenly writing feels like a meaningless endeavor
>What's the point if it doesn't make money? What's the point if It's going to be slop and not some cerebral artistic work of art?
>Writing is no longer fun
>Stop writing for months
I will push through these bad feels for the first time and see what happens.
Anyone else knows this feel?

I wrote a 3600 word short story about a master artist testing the potential of a would-be apprentice. If only I had written it in English I'd post it for you.
You'll just have to take my word for it that it's a good one.

>>22038032
>This isn't about Krake needing, with every fiber of his being, to crank that audio up 6dbs. It's about his state of mind as a creator.
My state of mind as a creator is focusing first on the ability to smoothly create ANYTHING on a schedule, then having something good to say. Maybe after that's all well and settled I can min-max my audio quality, but my sub 100 view count videos will thrive or die by content, not by editing.

I am not opposed to improving these things but I only have so many hours in a day.

1 writing prompt please. i am in desperate need of practice

>>22038148
Stuck-up party girl has to spend the summer picking strawberries in the countryside, hilarity ensues

>>22038148
A meet-cute sequence between a joyful but naive Jehova's Witness and a fedora tipping corporate drone.

>>22038088
And you'll learn these standards as you go and incorporate those into your creative process naturally. This isn't an issue of laziness or a willingness to self critique. This is an issue of initial knowledge.
One of the reasons I harp on about LUFS so much is that it's the easiest thing in the world to get right and it makes the biggest issue in audio quality. You can take someone with perfect microphone technique speaking into a $3,700 Neumann U87, turn him down to 20% volume and he will sound like absolute shit. LUFS is a litmus test that weeds out those who aren't willing to improve. All you need to do is throw an audio file in Auphonics and you're audio is 100x better. Not an option for you right now but you're at least willing to look for other ways to incorporate this into your videos. That's a good sign.

>>22038067
I bet it sucks. Post it, someone here's bound to know the language

No one even understands what's going on in a story here, desu. You just autistically go straight into nitpicking because you can't visualise nor imagine what is happening in text to begin with.

>>22038158
>>22038161
thanks. i may share results later, but i feel extra retarded today

>>22038245
what's the last book youve read?

>>22037994
I just submitted your blurb and first chapter. Let me know what you think. I think the blurb is great.

Anyone else need an editor?

>>22038264
Read the following recently:
Klarkash-Ton Cycle
City and the City
Reading these now:
Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath
The Cellar
Crucifax
I read a new book at least every week, which is more than I can say for this shithole.

>>22038027
maat042@yahoo.com

>>22038241
I'd prefer not to. This way the illusion may be preserved.

>>22038281
Based, now I bet you're the greatest writer who ever lived

no more abuse pictures for the OP pls. maybe it's actual art but it's still gross. it's fetishistic

>>22038357
Literally don't come to 4chan, read and write in that time; you will be infinitely better than any retard here.

>>22038391
>>22038275
why are you frustrated?

>>22038038
yeah, you should get over yourself. also next time write a little more than a couple chapters before vomiting it out on the world

>>22038038
Don't be afraid of success bro.
Write the story first, you can't edit a blank page. Your book will start to make sense as you wrestle with it. You're gonna make it.

been in the works on a action/adventure story that melds together Lovecraft and 80-90s action and horror, based in Louisiana. does this sound like good foundation for something good?

>>22038509
unless you personally have experience with (pre katrina, pre shithole) louisiana.. and can do something special with it.. i don't know. not really feeling it.

>>22038158
Fitzgerald actually wrote a story with this exact premise.

>>22038538
well I live there and I feel the shithole setting would work good, we already have people shooting each other on the daily so why not shoot eldritch horrors too

>>22036605
Why yes

>>22038559
>we already have people shooting each other on the daily
How come?

>>22038588
shit economy, shit police force, petty gang violence,ect,ect,ect

>>22038588
niggers. do you even have to ask?

>>22038612
I beat around the bush but I basically said the same thing

>>22038618
fair enough. here's an excellent article about New Orleans and Katrina, roughly a month after it occurred.
https://www.amren.com/archives/back-issues/october-2005/

>>22038658
yeah I been knew all about that and stayed through Ida in 2021, I think that flood waters and wrecked buildings would give the story that kinda atmosphere I liked from evangelion from the decent amount I watched of it

>>22038786
What label is it?

>>22038786
type penis on the paper but directly in the center

>>22038786
Holy based

>>22038796
smith corona, I realize now that I need to get the platen redone, it's hard as a rock and should be rubbery like the sole of a shoe. It makes a thwacking sound every time the letters hit.
>>22038797
I will on the next one, but for now I don't want to flood the thread.

>>22038839
Maintenance of mechanical instruments builds character

>>22038038
Just make a patreon and offer advance chapters for like five bucks for a week or two ahead (ideally 10-20k words at least)

>look up legal rules regarding quoting poetry in a novel
>academic sources: yeah if it's old or only a line or two you're fine bro
>reddit: NOOOO YOU ALWAYS NEED TO ASK PERMISSION EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME WITH NO EXCEPTIONS AAAAAAAAAAA

why are they boot-slobbering plug-asses?

>>22039060
>you have to ask permission to quote something
what? as far as why, reddit is built on signalling virtue. that's the natural outcome of the updoot system

>>22039060
literally upvotes
social media and imaginary internet points made it so that people started feeling slighted when someone else posted their stuff because they lost out on the social capital.

>>>/vg/429688447
Artificial Academy 2 General /aa2g/ #1279
Who Framed /aa2g/? Edition

Welcome, this general is for the discussion of ILLUSION's Artificial Academy 2.

COPY ERROR MESSAGES WITH CTRL+C, PASTE THEM WITH CTRL+V INTO GOOGLE TRANSLATE. JUST CLICK THE WINDOW AND PRESS CTRL + C, IT WORKS.

>Downloads:
/aa2g/ Pre-Installed Game, AA2Mini: https://tsukiyo.me/AAA/AA2MiniPPX.xml
AAUnlimited updates: https://github.com/aa2g/AA2Unlimited/releases
Anon's Modded Pre-Install: https://pastebin.com/42JS3q6E

>Information:
AA2Mini Install Guide:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vS8Ap6CrmSNXRsKG9jsIMqHYuHM3Cfs5qE5nX6iIgfzLlcWnmiwzmOrp27ytEMX03lFNRR7U5UXJalA/pub
General FAQ:
https://web.archive.org/web/20200216045726/https://pastebin.com/bhrA6iGx
AAU Guide and Resources (Modules, Tans, Props, Poses, and More):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17qb1X0oOdMKU4OIDp8AfFdLtl5y_4jeOOQfPQ2F-PKQ/edit#gid=0

>Character Cards [Database], now with a list of every NonOC in the megas:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1niC6g-Xd2a2yaY98NBFdAXnURi4ly2-lKty69rkQbJ0/edit#gid=2085826690
https://db.bepis.moe/aa2/

>Mods & More:
Mods for AAU/AA2Mini (ppx format, the mediafire has everything):
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/vwrmdohus4vhh/Mods
/aa2g/ Modding Reference Guide (Slot lists for Hair/Clothes/Faces, List Guides, and More):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gwmoVpKuSuF0PtEPLEB17eK_dexPaKU106ShZEpBLhg/edit#gid=1751233129
Booru: https://aau.booru.org

>HELP! I have a Nvidia card and my game crashes on startup!
Try the dgVoodoo option in the new win10fix settings.
Alternative: Update your AAU and see if it happens again. If so, disable win10fix, enable wined3d and software vertex processing.
>HELP! Required Windows 11 update broke things!
winkey+R -> ms-settings:developers -> Terminal=Windows Console Host

Previous Thread:
>>>/vg/428858839 nerds come have sex

>>22039091
Bro....

>>22039091
wrong board bud

>>22039091
>Artificial Academy 2
I have no proof that this is the ai spamming anon but you know what? I don't care. It's you. stop shitting up this general with your ai slop

>>22039091
You did this in the Patrick Tomlinson thread AND /wg/ dude. Kill yourself you fucking retard.

>>22039120
>AI spammer posts coombait waifus on /vg/
This is without a doubt the truth. Gaymer holocaust now.

>>22039060
>legal rules
I highly doubt reddit's permission autism is intended to be legal advice. Its probably just a "you should ask for permission out of respect" kind of deal. That said, erring on the side of caution by seeking consent is still pretty good legal advice, actually.

>>22039141
lemme just ask permission from a dead guy then, i'll get the ouiji board out

>>22039189
intellectual property is still property. You can give it to other people to control, and they can still sue you for using it without consent.

>>22039189
um, sweaty, you have to draft a letter to his estate, okay? just because you want to quote milton doesn't mean his great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grand daughter doesn't deserve her cut of any potential royalties that you make - and if you do make any it's probably because you quoted him, okay?

>>22039060
John Shade won't answer my letters
I hope he's doing all right

>>22036134
Is having an IQ of 120 an insurmountable barrier for someone who wants to be a great writer?

>>22039275
no any higher and the government would kill your family

>>22036157
I just assume all illsutrations now are AI-drawn

>>22039275
IQ isn't fake but it's fake enough that you shouldn't worry about it. It's a statistical tool. For the long version, see https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/09/27/against-individual-iq-worries/
How much and what do you read? This is far more important. (And it's within your control!)

Flat colour WIP art of one of the main characters in my webnovel, Talisman Mistress Yao Fu. A powerful and infamous master of talisman magic who participated in a major and still ongoing conflict in her homeland. A concerted effort was made to cripple her ability to draw talismans (right hand+wrist and left arm to the elbow), or to use any magic in general (burst dantian/"soul furnace"). Her leg and left eye also got taken out at some point. After fixing herself up as well as she could, she fled to what is effectively the not-middle east to rebuild her strength and lay low.

>>22039275
>Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'Press On!' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.
t. Calvin Coolidge

>>22039372
coomer

>>22039339
Although my question is annoying, I've just noticed that relatively complex philosophical ideas and subtle, generally elusive observations about the human condition are typically woven throughout what are considered great works of literature and they're the kinds of ideas that most people would generally struggle to understand and formulate imo due to how abstract they are. I'm unsure of my capacity to think in this way.

I've read a lot of nonfiction throughout my life but not much fiction; I'm currently reading 2666 because I'm drawn to the purported mysterious author and unsolved murder mystery elements along with the themes listed on the Wikipedia page, but I'm still searching for a genre I really connect with.

Every night after work I come on here to see what people have written and to perhaps offer my considered opinion. And then I find that instead of posting work everyone's arguing over what IQ you need to be a writer and whether the OP image should feature anime girl corpses.

>>22039411
sure
I can't get off on art I commissioned though, it's like trying to tickle yourself

>>22039420
>I'm unsure of my capacity to think in this way.
If you notice them and get something out of them you're a good part of the way there.
There's a dirty little trick when comparing yourself to other people's accomplishments: people do those things that they're good at. Everybody has different talents. Unless their peaks match yours exactly there will always be elements that you couldn't hope to replicate, but the same might be true in reverse!
You wouldn't be able to incorporate their observations, but that's because they're their observations, not your observations. If you practice you might have good luck with observations that are uniquely yours. And they can come entangled with a certain way of looking at the world that you couldn't leave out of your writing if you tried.
You need to play to your strengths. Write what you know and all that.
>I've read a lot of nonfiction throughout my life but not much fiction; I'm currently reading 2666
Sounds like you're doing fine.
Of course if you want to write fiction it helps to keep reading more fiction. (But don't let that delay your start.)

>>22039439
>I can't get off on art I commissioned
it's not like you drew it. and why not? the sex scenes I write can get me off

>>22039464
I dunno. I can see myself being able to get off on smut I write, but for some reason art I commission doesn't really do it for me in a way where I see myself beating meat to any of it, not even the more overtly sexual ones like Mistress Yao up there.

>>22039461
What you're saying makes sense. Although I'm sure you're just speaking the truth as you see it, I feel encouraged by your words. Thank you.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XrPHc7xahSw

I have no words.

>>22039437
Do you think we redditors write?

>>22039501
Good luck with your endeavors!

>>22039439
kill yourself

>>22039596
(You)

>>22039540
Damn F Gardner has the biggest YouTube channel on /lit/ now.

>>22039540
>phonefaggot make abhorrent post
pottery

I’m writing a crime novel where the serial killer is a medical profession. I wanted this to be indicated by his ability to neatly remove his victims’ organs but I’m stuck on the next two points: 1) what does he do with the organs? Does he take just one or all of them? and 2) how does he position the body? Rather than leave the body in a dump, I like the idea he does something unusual to display it but I have no fresh ideas apart from what I’ve read/seen in other media.

Please let me know your thoughts.

>>22039658
You almost had me there, but Christ extended his arm to stop me from sinning

>>22039761
Are you aware of the tv series "Dexter"? Not a medical professional, but a forensic tech that is a serial killer.

>>22039761
>write my book for me
why do genrebabies even bother

>>22039777
Yes, but I don’t want to copy his motives and MO. Could you suggest a resource for crime writing inspiration?

>>22039802
I know that Ellis claimed he read about of documents from the FBI to understand criminal psychology and violence. But I think if you research books focused on motives, you could find some very interesting ideas that could inspire you or make you think of something unique. I know there have been cases of serial killer nurses who ended lives. Also, if you look it up there are over a dozen nurses who were serial killers, it's actually kind of crazy. I don't know the motive but I can imagine if they weren't there for the opportunity in the first place, something about the environment messed them up somehow or brought something out of them seeing people defenseless in bed.

Krake is reading over my changes. Anyone else write anything and need a cheap editor?

>>22036647
I have seen ai fags stoup purity low, just look at this one I saw on /tg/.
Also, rpg's are a wonderful hobby for me as I'm meanly in to writing fantasy. Looking to use GURPS to sandbox ideas for my own seating and charters.

>>22039984
>I, a first world techbug with inordinate amounts of free time and RAM, suffer
pathetic

Which is the best grammar checker?
Grammarly?
Prowriting Aid?

These are also AI and helps tremendously

>>22039913
How much do you charge?

>>22040193
whatever people can afford. usually about $200 for a book but we can usually work something out

It's done. Final line edit is finished.

>>22036134
>killing literal bug people
based

>>22040334
What's done? When am I reading it?

>>22036134
should I send in my short story to unreal press? with all the drama surrounding it, I'm a little weary on sending something to them but, but am I being too paranoid?

>>22040373
want me to punch it up first? i've always wanted to do a short story but people only send me novels

>>22040377
NTA but I considered sending you short stories. I am getting feedback on the content tomorrow so I may send some things to you. If I think it will help.

>>22040377
you're one of the unreal press guys?

>>22040382
that would be cool, it would be sweet to help someone get published

>>22040385
no i'm the maat042@yahoo.com guy

>>22040396
I'm sorry, I don't spend too much time on /lit/ but can I get a QRD on you?

>>22040151
You can't link AI to how cultivation webnovelists sperg out content!
>T-thats not fair!1!!1
>>22038391
I want to say yes but now the anti-AI-fag is impersonating me to try and generate negative sentiment it has just become infinitely more entertaining then rocking and stoning.

>>22040403

yeah email me i'll send writing samples and a resume

ill definitely start writing tomorrow

>>22040373
Not much point. Unreal is probably dead. Just throw it to &amp. They’re taking submissions for 17 right now.

damn i suck at writing!

>>22040373
What kind of story do you have? They're actively taking submissions for Tales of the Unreal #2

>it's another episode of AIfag sperging, coping, and seething
i'll be back in another two weeks to see another retard episode and leave again

>>22037932
I would recommend using "Chris' Dynamic Compressor", a Nyquist plugin that can be used in Audacity.
https://github.com/theDanielJLewis/dynamic-compressor-for-audacity
I don't recommend the beta versions, but your mileage may vary.
Don't try to record "loud"...one red-peak and your audio is trashed.
Podcast-style vocals always need to be compressed...any dynamic range in them is usually pointless.
>>22039202
In the U.S., copyright lasts for the life of the author plus 70 years (which is horrible overkill, but the point is, no one has to worry about quoting Milton).
>>22039984
GURPS...nice. Very classic.
My LitRPG is based on Pathfinder 1e, the crunchiest ruleset I've ever encountered. You can literally do anything.

>have a fun idea
>workshop it inside my head to figure out why I liked it and how I could use it
>define an end goal
>work a first sentence with a decent hook that includes the theme without making it obvious
>define an ending that desn't feel cliche
>write it
>it's like 200 words long
>it sucks
>I have no clue how to expand or do anything with it
every single time

>>22039120
Wow...rent free, in your schizo mind.
No one can discredit your position more than YOU.

>get a message on Royal Road
>anon, is one of the most well-written, just perfectly executed! It was worth reading from start to current chapter. The moment I started reading I had to finish and I personally think it is a really good novel. You’re one talented author. May I know your email / social media? I want to follow you and stay updated about all your stories ^^

Oh shit... I know the competition is slim on RR, but that felt good.

>>22040653
>200 words
lmao. just say the idea that's pathetic there's nothing to even steal

>>22040653
If it's 200 words just fucking post it so others can critique it. That's the only way to escape the cycle.

thoughts on quillbot?

https://quillbot.com/grammar-check

>>22040702
I was generalizing, there is no particular idea right now and it goes from a couple pages to a single fucking paragraph because it was basically nothing.

>>22040732
I'm ESL and I don't write in english. I've sent some stuff to previous /lit/ zines and looking back on it it's horrible and I shouldn't be allowed to communicate in this language.

Does this hook you well enough to want to keep reading?
https://pastebin.com/DYvuukZn

i'm afraid to try writing again. I'm afraid to see how much I've rotted

>>22036647
The issue is one I see with many AI shitters, they have a blend of narcissism and vendetta against those who they see as tearing down their "art." They tend to go on odd tangents about how humanity is now obsolete because a PC can make something vaguely art shaped, or can write bland text that is, generally speaking, coherent.

>>22036912
Unless it is specified elsewhere, most people are going to assume the characters are above the age of consent. Because why would you be writing these things without them being at the right age?

>Done writing for the day
>Come to check on thread again
>Anti-AI-fag is still off his meds and replying to himself
Time to fap!

>>22040151
Personally I've tried Grammarly but found that its suggestions only broke the flow of my text and made it at times incomprehensible on top of making, for lack of a better immediate term, woke, like turning slave into enslaved person. If you write on google docs then that auto correct is good enough but it does not understand style or voice.
Auto correct should be only there as a minor guide, and should not be overly relied on.

>>22040668
I got a comment from an excited reader who binged my million-word saga in 3 days, asking for when the next part is gonna come out. And I had to tell him probably not until I'm old enough to retire because I'm broke and looking for a job and have no time to write.
Fucking hell, if you want more then pay me!

>>22040889
Unless it's specified elsewhere, I'm going to assume the characters are underage and the author is a greasy pedo.

>>22040973
I suppose without context I can't say one way or the other. If they speak like children, then the author is probably a pedo, but I would rather err on the side of them not being a piece of shit.

>>22040970
>give away work for free
>wonder why people don't pay you
i feel like your the one to blame here but i cannot put my finger on why.

>>22040982
Better to give away some work for free and have a few readers than ask for money and have no readers.

>>22040978
>I would rather err on the side of them not being a piece of shit
Oh you sweet summer child. Everyone is a piece of shit until proven otherwise

>>22041001
While true, I do try to be what I want to see in the world. There is a place for jumping down someones throat and calling them a faggot. But there is also a place to ask the simple question of did they actually mean to present it as it is, or where they too close to their work and unable to see how it comes off.

>>22041006
If the question is, is a person a scumbag, or incompetent, I'd do them a favor and assume they're a scumbag, because nothing's worse than being half-assed.

>>22040997
just write cultivation crap or shit-rpg. I mean sure it's demeaning to pretend the tropes are interesting and not brainless. But it's easy and you can grammarly your way to financial independence off of the mouth breathers adoration of the banal.

>>22036982
Psrsonally, as a smoker, I do think it's a bad habit but not necessarily a sin
I did use cigarettes as symbolism for self-destructive tendencies and sunk-cost fallacies, though, because it fit with the character
As long as you don't approach it in an edgy, childish "wow he smokes he's so badass" way it's fine to have a character do anything

>>22036268
'Free indirect style'. 'Deep narration' doesn't mean anything.

I'm halfway through my first draft and taking a totally different approach. I'm basically writing like an 8 year old would, no thought whatsoever for prose etc and its cliche ridden and quite stream of consciousness. I was getting so hung up on style and originality that I was getting absolutely nowhere and feeling like a failure. So in a fit of frustration, I started again in said manner. I'm actually enjoying it and feel like the plot is actually going somewhere now. Its so difficult getting over the perfectionism that comes with the initial sketching process.

>>22041358
good idea, i may do the same but im going to plan it out a bit beforehand

I can't stop writing exposition and personal thoughts. I am trying to avoid white room syndrome and add description, but usually only one or two scenes in a chapter have zero exposition, and just me showing what happens. I keep wondering if this is a problem or not. I like to build context and save my "show" for the scenes with the most important points of the narrative.

Fictional AI podcast: "How To Avoid Any Question" https://youtu.be/DlaEwq8Xj_Y

>>22041617
genre? unless you can make nothing interesting, you might have serious pacing issues

Getting reads is so difficult, bros. If this keeps up I'll have to become a booktoker.

>>22041730
Just AI generated childrens books

>>22036622
Which books?

what are your thoughts on publishing your work in a web novel style? is it even doable in the west?
I know theres a lot of traffic for it in Japan and China, but I've barely heard anything about it around here

If I write a book about a persecuted black tranny, is it likely to be published if it's half decent? At this point, I just want some fucking money and to avoid getting a real job.

>>22041700
Litfic. I feel like my story's exposition is engaging but I know it's also hip to complain about authors doing that too much.

>>22041764
>? is it even doable in the west?
t. the most retarded fucking weeb to ever woob we have like 30 sites for it

In my country (Scotland) every time I check a new fiction release, it's either generic 'noir' crime, the author graduated with a 'creative writing' Degree, or they're a YouTuber or tiktoker with a decently large following.

I want to get published but I'm none of these. I don't really want to sell my own personality to get a book over. Am I fucked?

>>22040886
Strawman argument.
No one who prompts AI to create images considers themselves artists, nor do they care to.
The rest of your seething consists of generalities and jumping to unsupported conclusions, and isn't worth responding to.

>>22041781
>Am I fucked?
Yea, we're all fucked. Best chance to get readers without totally whoring out seems to be to participate in/gain readership in a niche online community.

Think of yourself as a customer - what small, indie, or unknown authors have you read in the last five years.

>>22041622
>https://youtu.be/DlaEwq8Xj_Y
not sure what this is but it's intardesting to me.

>>22041807
Excellent question. None. Though most of the authors I read are already dead (I suspect it's the same for most here), there's no one really alive that I know about unless I really go looking for them. Knausgaard was already huge by the time I got to him, and that was because of a friend's recommendation, so word of mouth.

In a weird way when I see the new releases at Waterstones (like Barnes and Noble) it seems like the competition is lower than ever. I'm not even saying that to be mean. I bet a lot of people here try to compare themselves to the likes of Dostoevsky and other literary giants, but there's no Dostoevsky on the new fiction releases at waterstones last time I checked. It's currently Ngubu's racism and penis removal stories. At the same time it seems gate-kept to fuck.

Do you frens write in your native language or english? I write in my own language but am often saddened by the lack of audience that will be able to read it. (if at all) Should I just join the English Lit side?

Anyone know the reason why I'm not getting royalties for paperbacks sold on Amazon? I don't recall signing up for free book giveaways for my paperbacks

```
He frowned a little.

Now, here is a little interesting tidbit about our hero here. As seen before, he wasn't a very expressive person. He was by no means an eternal blank mask of apathy, and it would je a disservice to claim that he didn't have as complex an emotional spectrum as any teenaged boy his age.
But in general, he wasn't one to show much emotion. Not unless it was deliberate. Or if his feelings "overflowed", so to speak, and his iron hard control was unable to stop them from leaking over.

In this case, it was the latter. He did not frown because he wished to show anger to a stranger. Nor did he do it because he felt very, very angry.

He did it because at that moment, his control slipped a teensy little bit and his mind reached a state that in a greater man could be considered "homicidal hysteria".

A certain green haired gentleman, in a brightly lit room, was about to be inconvenienced to levels he could not, and would not, survive. In body or spirit.

And all because a teenage boy had bad emotional control.

God is Great!
```

I'm trying to write funny dialogue that fits serious situations without degrading them. Did I do it right?

>>22041872
Both
That way i can submit to two workshops at once, plus translating works as sort of editing as well, gets your mind working to find new ways to express the same concept

>>22041905
what's the story about? and what's your goal with it? there are some issues with your grammar/writing, if you care.

>>22036912
Specify that they're 12 you coward

>>22042007
In order:

Fantasy story about kid caught in cosmic war.
I have no idea what you mean here, but I THINK you're asking about the para? Well, the point is to get across that the hero is going nuts, which will cause trouble for the villain.
And yes, I do. Much obliged if you tell me.

>>22042117
love me some cosmic stuff, been writing a story like that myself where its like lovecraft meets 80s action hero kinda plot

How does the Royal Road crowd feel about children characters, like 10-13 having a large role in the story? Not in a sexualized sense, but younger siblings to the more important characters.

>>22042173
if they're well written they'll be fine. what kind of question is this?

My story starts with two adult women doing a seance and it ends with a midget murdering her step-brother on stage. Somehow along the way a little girl is kidnapped by a serial killer who dresses up like Santa Claus and kills army veterans, but then also gets possessed by the spirit of a mycophobic man who was afraid mushrooms would kill all humans on Earth. A boy who just wanted to make comics with his friends goes from being bullied to joining the bullies and breaks into a warehouse to steal a Polybius cabinet.
My original plan for this story was just two things: a girl receives messages from the future on her radio and a midget working as one of Santa's elves at a mall is living inside the mall's walls and defends it from invaders Home Alone -style, yet somehow all this other stuff ended up happening.
My manuscript is 118k words right now. I employ a device where every time I switch POV the first sentence of the new paragraph uses the same phrase or at least mostly the same words as the last sentence of the previous one to create an illusion of connectivity.
I just wanted to let you all know that I'm working on it and that as silly as it is, it's mine and I love it the way a parent loves a defective child.

This entire AI thing where cultists on Reddit are making their chatgpt novels & proudly showcasing their "writer killer" paragraphs has me realizing how terrible the average person is at writing & identifying good writing. The best AI fiction writing is worse than the worst novel I've ever read, and it's not even close.

>>22041905
>Now, here is a little interesting tidbit about our hero here.

dropped. gearbox writing all over this. just get rid of the "oopsy woopsie" bullshit and it'd be leagues better. A lot of this is redundant and can be cut.

>>22042293
Apparently it takes an IQ of 115 just to properly read and comprehend a novel, which most people on retardit don't meet.

I can identify AI writing in 1 paragraph. It just does not work. They should be trying to automate crappy office jobs, not the creative arts. Dumb fucking drooling techdroids.

>>22041781
do you have a manuscript already? then you can just hire someone to punch it up until it stops sucking

Writing a hard-boiled noir cyberpunk thing and I'm having so much fun. This shit writes itself and it's such a pleasure to work with.

>>22042318
>not the creative arts
Except destroying the creative arts is much more demoralising. It's intentional, anon.

>They should be trying to automate crappy office jobs, not the creative arts.
desu I think removing all capital incentive to create art will benefit us in the long run, as a species

400 words down, and rest.

>>22042198
Glad to hear it. I mentioned it because I know some people get bent out of shape over children characters having a lot of focus in YA and adult stories unless they grow into adults over the course of the series. And I wanted to specify they weren't lolis or anything.

>>22036912
Show, don't tell. Give them gout and false teeth

>>22041617
Nobody can say without a sample. It depends on what you're writing and how well you write. Many literary novels are exactly as you describe. But if you don't have the chops it will fail miserably.

>>22042714
consider that they're often annoying and gay, and people will be quick to write your shit off if it's not on point

>>22040824

It's kind of convoluted and purple. Can you simplify it a bit?

>>22042584
Yes, I'm sure financially blackmailing mankind into letting go of imagination, creativity and self-expression will benefit us greatly and by us I mean Mr Goldstein.

>>22036367
Try taking a break from writing and try a different art form you've always wanted to try.
I spent over a decade making music, but for the last few years I've felt my drive and creativity dwindle. It wasn't until recently that a writer-friend encouraged me to pour my artistic urges into writing fiction. I'm pleased with the quality of my writing so far, and I've actually felt the "tingle" to make music come back.

>>22042750
>the only reason I would ever make art is to profit financially from it

guys guys guys
i'm overly excited about something you might not think is a big deal but:
i finally learned how to write a plot twist. two actually. and they're both symbolic. it's not m shamalayan quality but still pretty good

>>22042849
nice

>>22042747
I could, but it's the kind of thing that will make more sense as you go on. Really just testing the waters on if that intro is a brick wall or coherent and enticing enough to keep going.

>>22036134
I'm thinking about hiring a beta reader on fiverr, and get some basic feedback.
>paying some random smuck with an LA degree to read my sonichu isekai novel
My mom gave me a little feedback, but I can't count on her to finish it, and I wouldn't force her to. Do you think your mom saying, "it's like I'm reading a real book," is a good enough sign to self publish?

>>22042934
why would you pay for a reader when you can pay for an editor? how much money can you afford to spend?

>>22042934
You can also trade beta feedback with another aspiring writer for free. I think goodreads even has a whole sum forum for that

>>22042935
Hiring a line editor won't provided me with story and entertainment feedback. Hiring a copy editor is a little more expensive, and I worry about them being able to provide me useful feedback if they're not on the same wavelength. For all I know my work isn't even ready for an editor yet. I just need a general assessment of Trash or Serviceable.

>>22042981
>Hiring a line editor won't provided me with story and entertainment feedback.

then you have a shitty editor. how much money can you afford? i can punch up the plot and dialogue too

who's the editor that posts in this thread sometimes? how do I get in touch with him

>>22042997
>>22038276

>>22042934
I've had a few beta readers(in addition to my mom) and I'm still leaning toward hiring a beta reader from there. From what I've seen of some example pictures, they seem a lot more thorough than someone who's just doing you a favor. Probably going to send the first few chapters to a couple and stick with whoever provides the most honest feedback.

>>22043014
how much are you planning to spend? i can make you a custom offer

Is it immoral to hire a sensitivity reader and do the opposite of everything they say?

>>22043037
Do it

i dreamt i was writing, and proceeded to wake up and not write today (tomorrow i will definitely start writing)

>>22043037
not immoral just contrarian. people can tell when you're writing just to be offensive and not for any true purpose. you can do better than that

>>22043037
If I did that I'd probably end up crying and fessing up to them... I'm so weak and sensitive. I'd try to extract some free pity therapy and then do whatever they tell me to.

>>22042954
Maybe, perhaps I'll have to suck it up and put in some work.
>>22042991
I'm sure anyone would give some feedback, but the distinction gets taken seriously everywhere I've looked. The people I've been looking at will run me between $60-100 dollars based on my word count. I'm still contemplating my budget.
>>22043014
Exactly. No telling if it will be truly worth it, but my family and friends aren't practiced media analysts. Still, I want to get my sister to read it. She got all pissy and feminist when I mentioned it was a female main character; I want to watch her eat those words.

>>22043065
i'll make you a custom offer for $50 and do punch ups, email me >>22038276

i'm purposely undercharging my first few clients for positive feedback

>>22043050
Think better of yourself.

>>22043037
No, it's just stupid. You don't need to hire someone for that.

>>22038276
>>22043080
You know what, I'll do it.

>>22042500
I like this schizophrenic take.

>>22043080
I got feedback from my short story today.
I will edit it some tonight and then send it to you maybe tomorrow.

>>22043179
sure thing. i just finished my latest project, so i have some free time

>>22043141
dilate

>>22042293
sauce? I'm curious if it works on a sentence or prose level at least

>>22042500
I know. We vill eat ze bugs and vork ze wageslavings, and zen, AI will take avay our only avenue of enjoyment.

Prison planet.
>>22042584
Same. Money in books just leads to pajeet scammers.

>>22043188
I do not like this schizophrenic take.

>>22042838
>>22042584
Yeah like how completely ceasing all teaching of the arts and encouraging people to exclusively study STEM and Business for 20 years resulted in great benefits to the arts.

>keep being told I need to read more to improve at writing
>i seriously fucking hate reading
Is there really no alternative? Like a short 50 page how to write guide from a classic author or something

>>22043339
Why do you want to write if you hate reading?

>>22043339
well, let me start with this: what are you trying to communicate, ideas-wise? have you implemented a strategy to effectively communicate those ideas or do you not know what you want to say?
most of the time, the idea of saying "improve at writing" is meant to direct you to discover "what" exactly you're passionate about. and don't tell me you don't read, i bet you're addicted to 4chan but somehow you don't count words on a screen as reading

>>22043357
I like writing
>>22043359
You should probably stop making assumptions man. Im not addicted to anything

>>22043339
>hates reading
>wants to be a writer
but why. cachet?

>>22043364
no you're addicted to being useless

>>22043339
you're conceited. Try therapy.

>>22043364
You'll have to either find things you like to read or accept that your writing will suck.
To write well you need to build an instinct for good writing. And you can't do that without absorbing a lot of good writing. To become a great chess player you need to study a lot of chess games and this is no different.
But if you like doing it it's still worth doing badly.

>>22043357
Narcissism. I find my own thoughts more interesting and truthful than those of others.

>>22043446
Don't you want to find someone to disagree with? That is half the fun in reading, you aren't just looking for ideas that are compelling, but also ones that are outrageous. You should be willing to read the good and the bad. Then there's just plain weak writing. But even among talented writers you may find lots of ideas for your own work to challenge, if that is what you are into. I know I do that.

>>22043458
>>22043458

>>22043370
I am not.
>>22043374
Why is there no alternative? No other medium has this kind of thinking.

>>22043469
>No other medium
try any another artform? any craft? hell even technical skills require you to learn first. you're just lazy

>>22043446
>Narcissism. I find my own thoughts more interesting and truthful than those of others.
so you're conceited
>I am not
who are you even lying to? dummy

>>22043489
That is not me.
>>22043477
Huh? Plenty of people make things in a medium they don't really enjoy consuming that much. You see this all over in music and video games and movies

>>22043459
>Don't you want to find someone to disagree with?
The fact I have no way to respond makes me powerless.
Anyway, I gave the narcissism explanation because it was the first thing that came to mind, and I knew it would get responses. My ADD is probably the biggest reason why I prefer writing over reading.
>>22043489
you're talking to yourself
>no I am not
yes you are, dummy

>>22043531
>Plenty of people make things in a medium they don't really enjoy consuming that much
oh bullshit. just because some jewish suit is the ceo of activision or ea or whoever doesn't mean the people actually making the products don't like the medium

if you're a narcissist then become a streamer or influencer. or make a cult. maybe that's something you'd actually like doing

>>22043538
Most people in those fields start out passionate but things can lose their magic when you understand the inner workings too well. I think it's a common phenomenon.

>>22043538
Its strange you focus in on that one field but I wasn't even discussing it on that level. I was talking about indie developers.

>>22043531
>You see this all over in music and video games and movies
No, you don't. At minimum they spent considerable time studying the craft, even if it's all business. People learn from other people, writers do it by reading.

>>22036134
>drowning LITERAL bugpeople
based

>>22039372
First render pass of Talisman Mistress Yao Fu.

>>22043893
She must live in a warm climate.

>>22043992
She just cheats
All those talismans aren't just for show, and it does in fact look weird when her tits don't just wobble around due to invisible support

I like this schizophrenic take.
No I don't.
Shut up, both of you!

>>22040607
trying to publish a short horror story, I guess I'll try them. but again, when they post a thread here, it becomes a shitstorm, which dampers my opinions on them

>>22043469
No, I think just about every other medium works like this.

>>22038509
Read some Robert E. Howard.