/lit/ - Literature

>>22025494
name 5 series that do this

>another daenerys chapter

Reminder to all litrpg faggits
>>22010612

I actually think the worst part of brandon sandersons books are his magic systems. it takes me out of it how gamified and rulesbound magic is, it's not interesting it just makes the world feel shallow. if magic is just a gimmick added onto a world where everything in it is related to it to some level, it's shit

>>22025518
No one cares about yout shitty thread

>>22025518
I will talk about litrpg here if I feel like it

>>22025572
>>22025583
Cope and seethe

I'm liking The Way of Kings but this whole thing about men not being allowed to read and write and women always wearing a glove on the "safehand" or whatever is fucking stupid.

>>22025535
>it takes me out of it how gamified and rulesbound magic is
It's not.

every time I need something to read, it takes me ages, the same few recommendations over and over until I break through and magically see something new. it haunts me, how much is out there that I can't find because my searching methodology doesn't let me see all the literature? how much is hidden behind the slimiest covers? why can't I just have a list with 1000 books that I enjoy? I genuinely might be using more time searching than reading these days, and with every work I kinda like that I finish, the pool of things I can find grows smaller.

>>22025690
Yes, it feels like its there so people can go "woah, we don't do that, its like a different culture, WORLDBUILDING!" but it offers nothing substantial to the world or story for the amount of times it gets brought up.

>>22025696
It is, and just because you read something even worse and more autistic off of the kindle e-store doesn't change that.

>>22025498
how do you specify characters in your stories are NOT niggers without it sticking out,

last thing I would have ever wanted if it ever got somehow miraculously popular is some redditartcunt latching onto my work tainting my children with the potrayal of them as niggers

>>22025739
ah sorry, wrong thread

>>22025739
>>22025745
You just have to put the words "light skin" somewhere in the text, nigga.

>>22025535
for me it's people acting like he's lapping grrm in output when he said he's taking a long break after book 5 in 2025. oh what's that? steampunk mistborn? nobody gives a shit

>7 am 4chan time
>uhhhh wtf muh GRRM!
it's too early for this newfag shit

>>22025814
I try it as much as I can but I also want it to not stick out as much,

writing for every character that they have light skin will stick out

>>22025501
Malazan, Prince of Nothing, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you

>book is called magician
>Most of the book has no magic
>Magic system is marshmallow soft and poorly explained
>More care is giving to descriptions of military regalia and ship jargon then anything to do with magic
>Have the book is filled with weird annoying impossible to remember names of shit that doesn't even matter to the plot
>Random destiny bullshit as the ending


I feel more than a little annoyed by this very long book.

>>22025867
Very autist of you to think I was making a positive or negative statement about GRRM. Was just using his name as an example. The mere mention of his name enough to set you off I see.

Title: Dungeon Diving 102
Author: Bruce Sentar

[Plot]
Ken's classes at the Delving Academy continue. Delving the dungeon, learning, building relationship with his budding Harem and a teacher that's way too into teasing him. But the scariest challenge is looming closer: Ken's grandparents are coming to visit.

[Review]
Haven't read a Harem for quite some time. Touching grass does that to you, especially falling for those pale, sad looking girls with mental issues who then ghost you. Thankfully I'm back here reading those well-crafted Harem stories. And this one's decent. Not 'good story-decent', but just a decent Harem.

Inoffensive plot of a young adult slowly rising and becoming more powerful, fulfilling his potential. A lot of sexual titillation and, shockingly, lack of harem-creep. Not a single new girl in the entire book. Is it really a Bruce Sentar book? Has at least a single Harem author become wiser and cut back on girls, instead focusing on developing already existing relationships? Maybe.

Looking back, it's interesting how the book has a medium focus on normal relationships with people. The party has one lesbian girl that's part of the party, but just as a friend. My reader-instincts don't make me think she's going to be a part of the harem in the future. And there's the protagonist's family. And his girlfriends' families.

This book is...unironically wholesome at times. Minorly so, but yes. There is fighting and antagonists, but the focus of the book isn’t typical' Fighting bad guys, fucking new women'. Bruce Sentar's books have always been relationship-minded, but this one is, dare I say it....trad-style harem. Might be just the overall 'manosphere' and adjacent lines of thought developing all the way back to traditional style of life. It can be noticed, if you look close enough. Redpill and shit isn't appealing to people, they just wanna be loved. Better to have a few girls loving you at the same time, though.

Rating: 6/10
You read Bruce Sentar, you know what you get. Guy's prolific and I can see him writing over a hundred harem books in his life. A modern pulpy writer.

>>22025892
>>Have the book is filled with weird annoying impossible to remember names of shit that doesn't even matter to the plot
I've genuinely wondered if this is an English-only problem. There are other languages out there. Fantasy names and terms aren't that strange no matter how many hyphens they may have.

>>22025923
your """REVIEWS""" ARE SHIT
FUCK OFF TO SHITRPG GENERAL
FAGGOT

>>22025970
It's just the general notion of having to remember names overall. I genuinely struggle to remember the names of characters in a lot of books if it's been a while since I've read them, though I can often remember the characters' whole "deals", or at least the broad strokes. Some characters stick in my mind well enough that the name lingers, but some are just GONE like a week after I read the book.

>>22025970
Okay you try to remember two planets worth of made up country names, hundreds of character names, and two different political systems worth of court intrigue that ultimately doesn't even matter in the greater scheme of things and all probably should have been cut for the sake of a much tighter and better paced story.

Not only is it too much, but because they are random gibberish normal association techniques commonly used to aid in name recall don't work.

space cats

>>22026153

>>22026153
>Hestia
As in the Goddess of hearth and home?

I feel tired. Time for more short stories by Pringles Man.

Anyone read Empire of the Vampire?

>>22026222
people were spamming it in the thread a week or so ago, apparently they liked it, 'edgy kino', they said

>>22025518
Based. Litrpg is total dross. Sure it pads out threads, but you'd have to be totally stunted to want to discuss it.

>>22026236
>were spamming it in the thread a week or so ago, apparently they liked it, 'edgy kino', they said
good enough for me!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfGIUUP88DA

>>22026259
Sorry, wrong board

>>22025690
Sandersons worldbuilding is just making up a load of arbitrary concepts with names devoid of any etymology. Not only is there never any subtext, but everything reads really stupidly.

>>22025923
I wish someone would review my book

>>22025739
It game me an idea for a novel :D

In a world where dark-skinned humans went extinct eons ago and are nothing but myths and legends, one is suddenly born. He's the NIGGERBORN!

>>22026271
give me the blurb and I will tell whether I'm interested

>>22026294
Marianne gets transported into another world filled with monsters and dragons. as she navigates the world she discovers a sinister plot that threatens the world. Not her problem right? Too bad she's been reincarnated as the Prince destined to save the world! Not only does she have to deal with monsters and politics, she'll also have to do it in a boy's body!

>>22025739
Literally just describe their appearance. Which is normally done (sometimes in annoying detail) in almost every book I care to remember.

Though you have limited control of someone else making them niggers anyway if the work is adapted.

>>22026310
>It just gets worse as it goes on
Is the magic system or world building detailed enough for my autism to be stimulated?

>>22026317
Of course. He (she) will pilot the mecha Dorodoku, forged by a a master blacksmith using not only superior bessemer steel, but also the folding of a billion folds to create an alloy that can withstand even the Great Apes fist to the beaks of the Griffon.

Working my way through Heinlein and seem to be reaching the end of the stuff that sticks out to me. Anything else I should put on my list before I move on to a different author? I'm going to head back to Vonnegut and PKD and finish some works I missed after Heinlein.

>>22026326
Is this an Escaflowne kind of deal (mechs are relics that people don't understand, saving you the issue of explaining them) or Dunbine style (mechs are the product of engineers sent there trying to live their best life, opening up to question the morality of technology)?

>>22026310
> Marianne gets transported ... into a boy's body!
Seriously, why??

>>22026222
Yes, kino book. Sort of like The Witcher, interview with a vampire, and van helsing.

>>22026383
Because reasons. She's a prince.
1. He has to find a woman to have a child with but he's not gay
2. Having a gay prince but that's not really gay lends to political intrigue
3. Banter with actual guys makes her uncomfortable but likes gay shit like cakes and dolls.

>>22025923
are there lesbian harem litrpg trash fires? I'd read one of those

>>22026222
>>22026236
it indeed is edgy kino

Bought the following today:
Lord of Light-Roger Zelany
Bring the Jubilee-Ward Moore
Grass-Sheri S Tepper
Non-Stop-Brian Aldiss

Already liking LOL the prose is excellent and so far liking Tak and Sam the most out of all the characters

>>22025923
>Ken's classes at the Delving Academy continue. Delving the dungeon, learning, building relationship with his budding Harem and a teacher that's way too into teasing him. But the scariest challenge is looming closer: Ken's grandparents are coming to visit.
Jesus christ I am seething at such this uninspired AI demonic slop

>>22026411
sounds cringe

>>22026310
>Too bad she's been reincarnated as the Prince destined to save the world! Not only does she have to deal with monsters and politics, she'll also have to do it in a boy's body!
lgbt trash

>>22026413
Benjamin Medrano writes stuff like that but it's all mediocre at best and not even redeemed by having any smut. It's all boringly tame.

LOL this is literally a fantasy book

>>22026331
The Man Who Sold the Moon and Requiem are kino

>>22026183
You're the anon that read Westwind recently? Interesting few pages to basically show that everyone thinks they are the chosen one by God, or perhaps I am reading it wrong. What did you think?

I miss when body swapping was a fun concept in fiction and now it's all portrayed as faggotry.

>>22026535
I'll put them on the list. I feel like To Sail Beyond the Sunset gives a preview of The Man Who Sold the World, with some retcons. That book made so many retroactive changes.

>>22026559
Writers add it now for the wrong reasons and it only makes their stories worse.

>>22026483
They also have to make it weirdly in-your-face that the characters are lesbians. Like first few pages it'll just explicitly spell it out, all the time.

Gonna look into Lupoff but why this nigga look like that with a tuba, baka

Uhhh.... based prose, or what boys? Don't leave me a-hanging! Oh yeah... I think Lupoff's a bit bayayayased, if I may say so.

>>22026802
Too autistic

>>22026802
wtf is this nigga even saying

Would you personally consider Bastard!! and Fist Of The North Star to be part of the Dying Earth genre? They check a lot of the boxes but the only difference is that they're not western nor literary works.

Asking this over here because I know on /a/ I would probably get 0 replies.

>>22026916
Wait, wrong picture. My bad.

>>22026887
>>22026904
I found out about this maestro because of Wolfe who thought he was an unsurmountable writer. Oh don't you know so? Lupoff was a virtuoso.

>>22026916
>>22026919
>muh genre
Stop thinking in these terms which ossify the becoming of critical perspectives within minor literature(s) and futurities of Alterity.

>>22026310
>Trans fag Isekai bullshit
Why are you here? Legitimately

>>22026916
no, not at all.
Vagabond is just fantasy, HnK is post-apocalyptic.
Dying Earth requieres an inherent nihilism with characters that are aware the world might die at any point but they still have to go heard the sheeps.
> “This is a risk we must assume. Notice: I drink wine, though I may not live to become drunk. Does this deter me? No! I reject the future; I drink now, I become drunk as circumstances dictate.”

>>22026951
To share my wonderful story to all. You fags like Ranma 1/2. You'll love my story too!

Suldrun's butt!!!

>>22027028
Shutcho bitch ass up, white boy. Otherwise I'mma beatcha lily white ass.

>>22025970

English language fantasy writers tend to not follow good rules when they create fantastical terminology, I pathologize it as a symptom of English itself being a creole doggerel through its history. If you have writers who understand language, who understand associating words with certain emotions or things, who understand how to at the very least group things up by commonalities then the understanding is easier.

Take the common illness of Hyperapostrophism, the use of what some authors would call an a'pos'trophe. Does it create alienation, yes, but it doesn't necessarily convey any associations that would be useful. Compare this to someone whom, regardless of how you feel about their writing, understood language very well on an academic level: Tolkien. Hobbit names are short: Frodo, Bilbo, Merry, Pippin. Elvish names, Gondorian, Rohan, Dwarf names: if you were to be given a name randomly you have a fair chance of guessing who they are and what groupings they're associated with.

English authors are much more willing to be a grab bag while also having an audience that isn't used to having names that aren't already assimilated into the common register. So the authors are bereft of structure and the audience bereft of exposure, a doubly damning condition.

>>22027057
It's funny you say that about Tolkien because the names are actually 'localised'. Their names aren't actually Merry and Pippin and all, for example, it's something else, but he gave them English names that 'fit the meaning' of their 'original' names because Tolkien was a madman. Like Merry's name, in Hobbit, was something like "expressing cheer and joy", so Merry is a good fit.
That's sort of arguably a backfitted explanation admittedly.

>>22026331

I have a fondness for The Roads Must Roll because it was my first exposure to the concept of labour unions being changed radically by future technology, it feels very much in the vein of Cordwainer Smith's Scanners.

Tunnel in the Sky I hold very fondly, but that is because I deeply love the Robinsonade, the eking of culture and civilization out of the wilderness. It is the fondest of the juveniles to me (unless you count Starship Troopers as the final entry of juvenalia)

>>22026559

With the dark fact that Sanderson is now the only truly "AAA" Fantasy writer in existence, and the new trends in science fiction becoming more and more pronounced I've come to the conclusion that fantasy and sci-fi have switched places. Fantasy is now about outward facing worlds constructed by new, interesting technologies (disguised as game/magic rules) and sci-fi has become the internal facing romanticization of being a woman.

>>22027073

>>22026916

Dying Earth does not have to be Western, although I have a feeling that really the core nihilism to the genre relies on the sensation and conviction of the world being an artifice, instead of something natural. If you've ever read A Canticle for Leibowitz it expresses what I feel to be thoroughly the Eastern train of thought, gone gone is the world of man, but to the sharks of the deep it is merely a hungry year.

Bastard!! and Fist of the North Star are both apocalyptic, to be sure, but they are not exhausted. Dark Schneider alone is too far full of vitality, and FotNS has hope buried deep in it with the healing powers of some and the thought of an oasis. As time passes on in FotNS the protagonists create new structure and order, and Bastard!! feels too involved to be the barebones picaresque I feel defines the Dying Earth. Overthrowing Raoh alone feels contrary to the world weary entropy of Dying Earth.

This is of course not to dismiss either manga, I just think that at their bones they tend to view the world as a natural growth, and therefore don't quite have the stunning end of all things in mind; disasters to be sure, but not the last gasps of Earth.

>>22027067

Entirely correct, and a great correction that adds to my point. Tolkien was fascinated with how to localize the ancient/foreign to the modern, which is why if he never wrote about hobbits or rings then his major contribution would probably have been setting Beowulf to prose.

I'll throw a guilty pleasure of mine into the fire to make a distinction: Brent Week's Night Angel trilogy. A fun, if edgy work, it uses naming well in at least one case but then bungles others. The goddess Khali is of course worshipped by the Khalador empire, a great use of association. But why is there an institution called the Sa'kagé in a land called Midcyru, in cities like Cenaria? To what groupings do Dorian, Elene, Hu, Kylar, Durzo, Drake, and Logan belong? We need not have names from Wuxia like Rightful Country Ruler, but the reader needs some consistency and some exposure or knowledge of whatever linguistics are being borrowed from to expect to have an easy time with the fantasy naming systems.

>>22026993
>>22027106
To build on this.
Mork Vorg is a ttrpg set in a world that's extremely close to dying. As you play the system breaks down, spells stop working, you don't recover HP, gods die. But it's not "dying earth" as much as "doom metal", the tone is not picaresque nihilism but dark brutality. While we use words to name a genre, the body of work define it and not words themselves.

>>22027068
The Roads Must Roll was later referenced in another book right? I think To Sail Beyond the Sunset. I remember having to lookup the reference while reading so that'll be a good one to visit.

>>22027149

Its also done really well as a radio drama, NBC Radio had a fantastic show called X Minus One back in the 50s that adapted Sci-Fi short stories into audio dramas and the production values are fantastic!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAlagNId3fw

>>22025498
>Salamanders from the Third and First Companies were watching too from a ridge around the edge of the cavern, where they stood to attention in darkened alcoves, their red eyes ablaze. This ocular mutation affected all Salamanders. It was a genetic defect brought about by a reaction to the radiation of their volatile home world. Together with their onyx-black skin, it gave them an almost daemonic appearance, though there were none amongst the Emperor’s Astartes more noble, more committed to the defence of humanity, than the Fire-born.
WE!

>>22027137
Honestly, stuff like this is part of the reason I struggle with making names for characters. I don't usually wanna use just "names that exist normally" because it feels out of place in fantasy, at the same time I have no idea how to make names sound like they all come from largely the same area if the characters did come from the same area, and how to make them seem distinct beyond broad stuff like "vaguely Asiatic name" and "vaguely Germanic name".

>>22026164
oh, shit. didn't expect this on 4chan

>>22027145
>mork borg
lol
Mork Borg is trash. It's a shitty pseudo osr "setting" for midwits and nerds who have never actually read an oldschool book to circlejerk about how cool and cultured they are. As i've said before, Mork Borg is the RPG equivalent of an inner city nerd LARPing as a working class country person so they buy a pair of overalls and a carhatt jacket and $400 dollar pair of boots and think that's what being country is like. It's not the product of a bunch of punks and nerds and metalheads making an rpg out of passion and love(as its creators want you to think), it's a corporate product aping a grungy faux metal edgy aesthetic without actually being edgy or metal. Mork Borg is the same as a multi million dollar company selling a battle jacket with pins and punk patches and anarchy painted over the back; it isn't genuine. It's dishonest. It talks about being edgy and dark and gorey and weird yet on another page it rallies against any "sexism" and "rascism" and "transphobia", which actual oldschool punks and nerds gave no shits about. It appeals to bugmen and midwits who think shitty art and design equals a cool obscure punk aesthetic. It appeals to retards who never used the word "zine" before finding the word on wikipedia and suddenly start making their own shitty "zines" for their shitty osr products that they begin shilling on patreon
Mork borg isn't playable, it's a shitty artbook for people to put on their coffee tables to wow their other bugmen friends about how cool and niche they are for owning mork borg
What OSRfags don't get is that oldschool rpg art and oldschool rpgs in general wasn't designed to look like shit on purpose. It wasn't designed to look amateur, it was the product of amateurs with passion. Mork borg is the opposite of that. It's a clinical, utterly soulless "RPG" that pretends to be something that it isn't. That's why is shit and utterly irredeemable for anybody with an ounce of taste.

>>22027115
there are like 2 or 3 good books on there
the rest are either mediocre or shit

Can we talk about science fiction and fantasy instead of the same autism I’d see on /tg/ when I had nothing going on in my life? Yes. I work 30 hour weeks now and write in my spare times. I’m more important than your TTRPG autism. And I suffer because of it

>>22027259
so?

>>22027264
You’re welcome to post your shelf, fantasylet

>>22027274
>fantasylet
90% of the books on that shelf are written by and for dumb people
there are like 2 or 3 good books on there

>>22027288
Post. Your. Shelf.
Pro-Reader Tip: You Won’t.
Because. You. Are. A. Readlet.
Read 7 hours a day, then come back to this General after 5.5 weeks.

>>22027295
i don't have a "fantasy" shelf
because most fantasy is shit
and if you spend all your time reading fantasy and nothing else then you are dumb
night land and zothique are the only good books on your shitty shelf
rest belong in the trash

>>22027115

I will admit that Gulliver's Travels, although a great fantasy, does smack strangely in the midst of those luridly grim, yet jewelled works.

>>22027300
Kek. Fucking readlet. You don't have a shelf at all. Pitiful peon.
Here's just my mantelpiece alone.

>>22027347
Cope
Your dying earth shelf is trash
there are two good "dying earth" books, those are zothique and night land. the rest are too fantasy influenced and thus trash
you cope with this by posting more of your shelves which i don't care about

>>22027370
The other shelf isn't mine, readlet. Even my file name should be a sufficient clue of mine awful mockery of thee and thine ilk.

>>22027372
>The other shelf isn't mine, readlet
Yes it is
You shill it in every single thread
>readlet
I'm sorry you spend your time reading shitty fantasy instead of good literature
Practically all fantasy published post 1960s is trash and that's precisely because it is written as fantasy
As genres become older they stagnate and become shit. That's the undeniable truth

>>22027385
Kek. Fucking seething mate! Fucking seethe ya seether! Seethe, seethe, seethe.
If you ain't bout this life, then get out of the fucking thread, bihhhhhh, before I pimpslap you back to mumbai with my biggy backhander, sir.
>instead of good literature
I bet you haven't even read any George Sterling. He mentored CAS and reigned supreme. You're that lightskin who keeps spamming about Gene Wolfe being bad and CAS being good, but you don't even know anything about CAS and he'd be ashamed he had an autist like you with his name in his autistic, braced mouth.

>>22027197
They were never supposed to be African black, though.

>>22026916
They check none of the boxes. They are just post-apocalyps settings. Read some actual books before posting on this board.

>>22027400
George Sterling wasn't a fantasy author, spastic. He was a poet and a playwrite who wrote one novel
The Fantasy genre was still in its early stages at the time of CAS writing. It was not trite trash.
And smith never even liked writing, he only did it for money, poetry was his true passion
You'd know that if you ever read smith
>You're that lightskin who keeps spamming about Gene Wolfe being bad and CAS being good
Yeah, Wolfe is a hack
>but you don't even know anything about CAS and he'd be ashamed he had an autist like you with his name in his autistic, braced mouth.
I've read every one of his stories and most of his poetry because I don't read trash like wolfe
Stop projecting wolfefag. just because you spent hundreds of dollars on his shitty books doesn't make you an expert on le dying earth genre like you keep pretending you are

who let the kids out of daycare?

>>22027424
>George Sterling wasn't a fantasy author, spastic.
>poet and a playwright
You're pretty autistic, dude. Fantasy can be in plays and poems. Hence why we draw on a lot of fantastical elements from Goethe, Kit, Shakespeare, Homer, Ovid, Dante... A Wine of Wizardry alone influenced a lot of fantasy and weird fiction/poetry.
https://books.google.com.au/books/about/A_Wine_of_Wizardry.html?id=BnAtAAAAMAAJ&redir_esc=y
Anyone who has a passing interest in weird fiction and CAS knows that. But you seemingly compartmentalise things into weird boxes, probably owing to your autistic mind.
>And smith never even liked writing, he only did it for money, poetry was his true passion
Is that why he did sculpture? And is that why he also had admiration for short stories?
>You'd know that if you ever read smith
It's right on the mantelpiece. Do you have eyes?
>most of his poetry
It's literally online for free and you can't read it all? Why? You don't know how to read?
You don't even buy books because you're a poorfaggot LARPing as some literati. Stop being pretentious and humble yourself before the altar of Gene Wolfe.

>>22027436
This "Dying Earth" guy is the same faggot who spams the same shit over and over again. He supposedly hates fantasy but only comes here to talk about like two or three authors, since he doesn't read very widely. I'm sure he hasn't read a book for a while, which is why his opinions are like a broken record.

>it's not fantasy because.... my idea of fantasy is informed by marketing and brick-n-mortar bookshop shelves!!!!!

>>22027443
>Goethe, Kit, Shakespeare, Homer, Ovid, Dante
None of them were "fantasy" writers
You fucking autist
Is all Mythology fantasy now? Is milton fantasy? Is spenser fantasy? Should every writer who had fantastical elements in their stories should, post-hoc, be considered fantasy?
No
When people say fantasy they refer to fantasy literature which developed out of the romanticist period. In the early 20th century fantasy literature was in its early stages. It had not reached shitty wheel of time trash stage it is now
The death stage
>Is that why he did sculpture? And is that why he also had admiration for short stories?
When the fuck did i say he didn't do sculpture? Smith liked drawing but he couldn't be called a an "illustrator"
Smith wrote for money, even the most entry level Smith fan will know that. He always wanted to be a poet but could never earn money from it so he took to writing fiction for pulp magazines
This doesn't mean he didn't like fiction (he loved vathek) but smith was a poet first and foremost.
>It's right on the mantelpiece. Do you have eyes?
You can buy books without reading them
You clearly don't know much about Smith if you don't know that his main passion was always poetry
And zothique, while great, isn't even the best setting he wrote in. His averoigne stories are best
>It's literally online for free and you can't read it all? Why? You don't know how to read?
I've read most of his poetry, autist
There's a few poems of his that i haven't got around to reading.
>You don't even buy books because you're a poorfaggot LARPing as some literati
I have over four hundred books
>Stop being pretentious and humble yourself before the altar of Gene Wolfe.
Gene wolfe was a hack
Practically all fantasy written post 1950 is shit
Only early fantasy is good
Because it wasn't based off fantasy and turned into trite shit

>>22027446
You're an insecure faggot who spends loads on books and has to post them day in day out on this board to feel secure
Pretty strange
Why not just be content instead of spamming your bookshelf
>>22027451
Not fantasy
If we consider that fantasy then we need to consider the epic of gilgamesh a fantasy work
which it isn't

https://pastebin.com/MiMMCCN6
The Dick on Fantasy and Sci-fi.

I do not like Sanderson's two "secret" projects release so far.
Tress is Cosmere lore important with a hacked in ending.
Wizard's Guide feels poorly planned written. The marginalia is honestly the best part of the book.

>>22027463
>None of them were "fantasy" writers
Yes, because we use the term "fantasy" ex post facto and retroactively no matter what. ITT, we are talking about "fantasy" usually as some Brandon Sanderson slop from marketing and commercialism. But you obviously KNOW it was used differently in the 50s and before that, when the term fantasy was used merely as a byword for imagination or dream.
>Romanticist period... early 20th century
Your history of literature is weird. There aren't neat, easily contiguous literary movements from the 18th century into the 20th century based on certain idealisation of medieval aesthetics, virtues, monsters, etc. But, yes, even Spenser informed a great deal of the fantasy tropes like personifying virtues in noble knights. If one compares it to Malory, they do seem quite different, since Le Mort D'Arthur has different characterisation and themes around virtue and vice. Obviously, we make up shit about the medieval period from the Elizabethan period, into the Romantic, into the 20th century.
>He always wanted to be a poet but could never earn money from it
Except he did make money from it since he was big in California... What the fuck are you talking about? He might have wasted his money on drinking and whatever, but he was writing poetry and was known... hence why Lovecraft fanboyed over him. Did you think CAS was writing in obscurity or something? It was far easier to make it in poetry in the early 20th century than now, so your bullshit about there being no money is absolutely wrong.
>poet first and foremost.
He still wrote fantasy. Even Lovecraft loved poetry. It's normal to like poetry if you like literature. Kek.
>main passion was poetry
So too is it mine. Doesn't mean I don't read fantasy somehow. I've published more poetry than you ever have or will, in reputable magazines. I don't go around pretending like it's some high art only the patricians can understand. There are general rules and principles of poetry. And they aren't so clearly delineated from other rhetorical modes of writing, even short stories.
>I have over four hundred books
Those are rookie numbers. And you're probably old since you speak the same talking points for months now. So I think you only picked up reading when you were like late 20s or even later. So there's no point in listening to you any further. Your mind already peaked years ago.
>Because it wasn't based off fantasy and turned into trite shit
Your definition of fantasy is loose here yet you were being rather strict with it earlier.
>>22027469
> the epic of gilgamesh a fantasy work
>which it isn't
People who think epic poetry didn't inform our own traditions of fantasy and weird fiction are so bizarre. Of course it did. Lovecraft loved the Greeks/Romans, on top of oral history and Edgar Allan Poe, etc. It was a mixing of variegated things, but obviously epic poetry is important for fantasy. For one, I know the Epic of Gilgamesh inspired me to write bronze age sword and sorcery.

>>22027493
>Yes, because we use the term "fantasy" ex post facto and retroactively no matter what. ITT, we are talking about "fantasy" usually as some Brandon Sanderson slop from marketing and commercialism. But you obviously KNOW it was used differently in the 50s and before that, when the term fantasy was used merely as a byword for imagination or dream.
Lovecraft called his work fantasy or fantastical
Milton didn't (as far as I know)
>Your history of literature is weird. There aren't neat, easily contiguous literary movements from the 18th century into the 20th century based on certain idealisation of medieval aesthetics, virtues, monsters, ettc
Never said Spenser wasn't an influence
But his work isn't fantasy
Rea life mythology is an influence on the fantasy genre but it isn't fantasy. People actually believed in them. Medieval knights believed king arthur was actually a real person. Nobody thinks middle earth is real
>Except he did make money from it since he was big in California... What the fuck are you talking about? He might have wasted his money on drinking and whatever, but he was writing poetry and was known... hence why Lovecraft fanboyed over him. Did you think CAS was writing in obscurity or something?
He had some early popularity and travelled arund in elite bohemian poet circles but it quickly died off
And smith didn't make money from his poetry. He was often poor and had to do odd jobs. He was never rich or wealthy.
>He still wrote fantasy. Even Lovecraft loved poetry. It's normal to like poetry if you like literature. Kek.
When did I say he didn't. And I like poetry. I said poetry was bad.
>I've published more poetry than you ever have or will, in reputable magazines. I don't go around pretending like it's some high art only the patricians can understand. There are general rules and principles of poetry. And they aren't so clearly delineated from other rhetorical modes of writing, even short stories.
Now you're just putting words in my mouth and talking bullshit
>Those are rookie numbers.
Unlike you i don't hoard books
If i really like a book i'll keep it, if it's mediocre or bad i'll throw it out
>Your definition of fantasy is loose here yet you were being rather strict with it earlier.
The greatest fantasy is early fantasy
Fantasy could at most be considered to having started with the Ossian
The greatest fantasy writers didn't only read fantasy
Dunsany, the greatest fantasy writer didn't only read william morris and shamelessly try to imitate him
He took his inspirations from Greek mythology, real life folklore and fairy tales, etc
which is unlike modern fantasy readers who read shit like the wheel of time and try to copy it by filing off the numbers
>People who think epic poetry didn't inform our own traditions of fantasy and weird fiction are so bizarre
when the fuck did i ever say that poetry was bad or that poetry hasn't been an influence
It has
But the rime of the ancient mariner isn't a fantasy story

>>22027524
*I said poetry was bad.
correction
I never said poetry was bad

>>22027524
>But the rime of the ancient mariner isn't a fantasy story
Our descriptive terms and genres shift with time anyway, which is obvious from your admission that fantasy changed into Sanderson/Jordan tier writing. What's the point in arguing over it when it's changing depending on social, economic, and cultural factors?

>>22027524
>words words words
Shut up.

>>22027537
>What's the point in arguing over it when it's changing depending on social, economic, and cultural factors?
Because we have genres and genre limits for a reason
I find it disgusting that as somebody who occasionally reads fantasy authors like dunsany i'm considered to be on the same level as somebody who reads sanderson or jordan
and i don't want to see coleridge or spenser put next to sanderson on a list of "best fantasy authors"
keep them apart for a reason
And i wouldn't care if you labelled spenser's the faerie queene or orlando furioso as "proto fantasy" because they were invented intentionally. But mythology that was believed as completely real by the people who recited it shouldn't be considered fantasy at all

>>22027301
It's not gulivers travels

About to start picrel. What am I in for?

>>22026916
Is Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou dying earth or just apocalyptic?

Also, I had a dream that I was watching a Peter Jackson-directed Silmarillion tv show.

highly recommend this

>>22027751
>Is Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou dying earth or just apocalyptic?
post apocalyptic
i don't know why so many people are confusing the two

>>22027769
I feel like a "post-apocalyptic" work is specifically about an apocalyptic event and the ways people try (or fail) to rebuild society afterwards. YKK isn't about any specific apocalyptic event and it's about watching the gentle passing of human civilization.

>>22027767
Whhy do you like it? What about the Glass Thorns series?


Isn't that an unfinished series? I'm already waiting for an ending to KKC (fuck you I like it).

>>22027783
Dying earth=set countless years in the future where our current civilisation is either a faint memory or has been completely forgotten. a sense of melancholy often combined with a sense of decadence (zothique)
In YKK society is slowly collapsing and humanity is dying but modern civilisation is a recent memory
in manga i'd call nausicaa dying earth, YKK straddles the line but it's more of a hopeful apocalypse than dying earth

>>22027804
i liked the characters and the storyline. The magic was believable (as in, not too over-the-top, but neither was it practically nonexistent, like it sorta was in GoT).

Yea it's unfinished, but even so the two books in the series are worth a read, really enjoyable reads.

>glass thorns
haven't read that, sorry.

>>22027767
She's never going to finish it :(
at least Dragon prince got an ending (Sioned best mom/wife/queen! also Tobin a cute)

>>22027783
negro, it's called Dying EARTH not dying city/civilization.

>>22027751
It's an iyashikei
Genres are cultural products and unless the author is actively connecting with other traditions it makes more sense to assume they are working inside their own framework.

>>22027919
>she's never going to finish it
prolly not, you're right. But still worth a read :)
and Dragon Prince series is another fantastic read, though i prefer the first 3 books in that series more than the last 3.

those damn photino birds/fish sure like to make stars go boom early, often through novas
let's talk about the dying earth space opera, the xeelee sequence

/SFFG/ Recommendations:

Read Reverend Insanity, Lord of The Mysteries, Neuromancer, Hyperion, The Prince of Nothing

Also read The Wandering Inn, Between Two Fires, Mother of Learning, Cradle, I Shall Seal the Heavens, A Song of Ice and Fire, The Poppy War.

Is wheel of time a good option for my first fantasy series

>>22028098
You haven't read any other fantasy series? Not Narnia, Harry Potter, LOTR?

>>22028098
No. It dies in the middle and you won't have the stamina to push forward.

>>22028118
I read the hobbit but thats it.

>>22028129
I thought that would be the case cause it’s so long. Thanks

>>22028098
>>22028140
why the fuck would you read an 11,898 page book series for your first fantasy series
you could read LOTR+silmallirion+the hobbit, all the conan stories and all the elric stories and not be past 5000 pages

>>22028165
He may have heard or seen something that keyed him up for that series in particular.

Worm is one of my favorite books of all time, and I also enjoyed Ward. Discuiss.

>>22028183
No
It's because WOT fans are retards

>>22028190
How can he be a fan if he hasn't even read it. Or if he has read it for that matter.

>>22028165
>>22028183
>>22028190
>>22028199

Idk it just sounded cool I was browsing different series. I saw Wheel of Time and Malazan but some people were saying Malazan was a bit hard to follow.
I’m new to fantasy I’ve only ever read military history stuff and some SciFi like Hyperion and Fall of Hyperion.
I’m trying to branch out into fiction.

>>22028207
I meant to write branch out into fantasy

>>22025498
The Self-Published Fantasy Blog-Off Year 8 (SPFBO 8) finished at the beginning of the month.
https://mark---lawrence.blogspot.com/2022/10/finalists-for-8th-spfb.html?m=1

>>22028207
the problem with the wheel of time, aside from its huge length, is that it's the regurgitated vomit of the whole host of shitty LOTR ripoffs like sword of shannara which was itself a regurgitation of LOTR, which itself took a lot from previous fantasy written before that
Try one or two original fantasy novels (pre 1900s) like George Macdonald or William Morris or rider haggard, all of which wrote novels that are only about 300 or so pages
Then read LOTR and the conan stories, both of which add up to less than two thousand pages. Reading LOTR will give you a taste of epic fantasy and reading conan will gave you a taste of sword and sorcery.
So with about eight books that add up to about 2 thousand and something pages you'll know the basics and origins of early fantasy without reading anything really esoteric and you'll have read less than if you read four of the wheel of time books.

>>22028217
any good chud books in that list?

>>22028207
Malazan is abslute garbage. Wheel of Time is fun in the sense that it's a big hammy 80's anime, but it's dragged down by a huge dip in quality in the middle due to the author being on his deathbed, then Sanderson stepping in and being slightly sub-par as per usual.

>>22028294
No, they're all the opposite of that.

>>22028341
damn

>>22028207
get into malazan, you won't regret it

https://litter.catbox.moe/qc7ly3.pdf

How's my silly story?

I want to lick Esme's butt

Just wanted to say that I am reading Wolfe's Wizard Knight and I think it will soon become one of my favorite fantasy novels. It is pure soul.

>>22028395
Absolute trash, same as you posted here last time. At least post it in the litrpg thread to have a more accepting audience.

>>22028468
why is isekai ok when old white dudes do it

>>22028491
but it's not a litrpg

>>22028597
It's some kind of gamelit.

>>22028491
nah, i will post and talk about LITRPG here, dilate

>>22028703
not at all. just because it says level 99 Paladin Rory doesn't mean it's automatically gamelit.

SUBVERSION!

>Moral of western story: An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind
>Moral of chinese story: they can't take your eyes if you take both of theirs

>>22028879
western people sound like a bunch of lying fart sniffers

>>22028187
worm was not good but I enjoyed reading it in a trashy homestuck sort of way

ward was so bad that it retroactively made worm worse

>>22028491
Kill yourself.

After finishing the three body problem series I just can't believe how bad the author drops the ball on the later books. The first book had such an enticing idea of chance, the right person, at the right place, at the right time could have unfathomable consequences to humankind. The second book tries to do that but with a self insert main character with the cringest plotline trope (a useless hero save the world by being useless enough) The later characters are better but they barely have the same amount of complexity the main antagonist of the first book had. For me it feels like the main author used a novel by someone else and added the incredible imaginative sci-fi elements for the first book, and just winging it on the second and having some help on the third. The whole 500 years deadline felt like a foundation ripoff with lesser quality works being carried hard by amazing concepts. You can also smell the nationalism spirit by how he describes the modern chinese as always being at the center of everything and how other countries are inept.

>>22028014
Our sun won't go supernova, it's too small.

>seperate /litrpg/ general is made
>suddenly /sffg/ improves massively

>>22025535
Based
>>22025690
Details like this in books should come from somewhere. Just like magic system should be based on some meaningful things like mythology and not only be a story vehicle—which is basically what mr. sanderson does. It is all meaningless.
>>22025708
seems to me you need to read books
>>22025739
make them evil
>>22025923
Glad the autism is still thriving and reminding myself that there are people out there with much worse taste than I have
>>22026310
the absolute state of litrpg shit
>>22026424
Lord of Light is gigabased
>>22027347
Good choices. I hope the Gardens of the Moon is the only Malazan book you have; just to show that you read a book to make sure the series is trash.
>>22028068
snore
>>22028879
there is just something outdated or backwards in eastern philosophy. I guess not having started from the greeks does that to a mf. Where western philosophy transcended mere search for power, chinese is still all about power struggle cope and senseless fighting just to be a top dog.
>>22028957
>a chinese man with aphantasia dropped the ball
colour me surprised

>Ah, I finished another short chapter with interesting conversation between the Space-Catholics.
>Another Raul chapter? Yes, my favorite protagonist everybody loves.
Proceeds to write 20 pages of meaningless description of a forgettable planet that has no impact on the story.

I hate Dan Simmons so much it's unreal.

>>22029029
Considering the other thread managed to pull 85 posts (posts that could have ended up here) I call it a huge improvement. Yet, there are still another 85 litrpg shitposts in this thread + Sanderson-apologists.

KINO LITRPG

>>22029042
>I hope the Gardens of the Moon is the only Malazan book you have; just to show that you read a book to make sure the series is trash.
I just got it actually, since someone here recommended it. I was interested in the fact it has poetry in it but it never feels like it aligns with the tone of the book for me. I'll post my thoughts once I get through it. I was just very busy at work this week when it arrived.

>>22029103
>>22010612

>be a fat fuck and a "gardener" type writer
>write give huge books with characters doing whatever
>be surprised when things can't be tied neatly in the end because you killed all important characters and didn't care shit for overarching plot
Why are we reading long-winded fantasy series? At least Bakker managed to keep it all together in some form.

>>22028733
not at all. just because it says it's the year 12,953 on planet Farfanugen with the warlusmen doesn't mean it's automatically science fiction or fantasy.

SUBVERSION!

>>22029131
>>22028733
>>22028703
>>22028597
I love how these niche genres that are equally shit manage to fight among themselves about some autistic details; the same details that however you have them make the genres utter shit. The cycle of purism will go on forever. Gamelit or litrpg who the fuck cares, go make your own general.

>>22029125
it's ok to be a gardener but you have to remove the weeds at some point

>>22029153
>be GRRM
>be gardener
>mistake flowers with weeds
>be surprised when your garden is the backyard bush of a typical Detroit household

>unsheathes meteor katana
I am... Darkstar and I am... of the night

>>22029103
Bullshit. It has one of the most annoying MC's to ever grace a page.

Spec fic from the perspective of different indigenous groups was done by Poul Anderson already in the Maurai; the difference between that and the more commercialised "decolonial" spec fic is that it was written by a good writer. There's nothing wrong with themes of indigenous futures.

>>22029262
>white man bad
>brown woman who communes with nature good
It is all so tiresome.

>>22029103
most squarely mediocre litrpg of the ones I've read. prose not too good but not so bad that it's hard to read, character a bit cringe but not unreadably cringe, magic system somewhat engaging. I didn't last too long after he lost his cheat though, these characters could not stand on their own without the sweetspot semi-fast progression element

>>22029273
Except that's not what the Maurai series is about, is it? You can have different cultures in the future other than Americans, Russians, and Japanese...

>>22029285
I wouldn't know I don't read. But that's not the point in /lit/ right?

Title: The Grand Game (Book #1)
Author: Tom Elliot

[Story]
Michael falls from the sky, not knowing anything except his name. Greeted by malicious undead belonging to the faction of 'Dark Powers', they proclaim him evil and explain he must have been done truly dark deeds to be reborn here. Forced him to join myriad other strange recruits, as befuddled and amnesiac as him, Michael is given basic equipment, Class stones, then ordered to enter The Dungeon in order to become a Player in The Grand Game. Nothing is as it seems, plots and lies abound, but Michael would be damned if he allowed anyone have their way with him.
Plus, he's damn good at killing, it seems.

[Review]
This one is game-like as hell. As a rule, I prefer my LitRPGs/Progression Fantasies a bit more grounded, but the book doesn't pretend to be anything but what it is: A power fantasy where a person can advance in video game-like ways. In a way, The Grand Game exemplifies LitRPG progression: challenges the protagonist faces are varied and reasonable, his actions edge the suspension of disbelief but in a way you want to forgive, the story is laid out in a way that allows the protagonist to continue advancing and be the top dog among his peers. Would like some more focus on the plot, but it's servicable for what it aims for.

A true power fantasy for nerds who want to believe their video game knowledge is worth anything, which is in a way cringe, but the author doesn't over-do it, which shows he has some taste. This is first and foremost entertainment, although from the world-building, basic understanding of making distinct character personalities appears the author's storytelling ability is clearly above the common rabble. The story reads a bit like a single-player Action RPG, with big focus on making the protagonist feel strong, but without outright licking his ass.

Don't expect anything more than good popcorn entertainment with edgy boi assassin protagonist with a bit of heart of gold and you won't be disappointed.

Rating: 7/10

Can somebody explain why The Deep is such a cult classic? I just read it and think I've been filtered.

>>22029333
>But that's not the point in /lit/ right?
It's a honeypot to test would-be writers into wasting their work and disparaging their own name before they even begin to read/put their work out there. Publishers set up cloud drives to save everyone's cringy and objectionable posts, as well as all the poor writing, to ensure we'll never make it.

>>22029348
>written in 2019
>cult classic
Anon, I...

Gene Wolfe didn't "invent" the Pringles machine. He worked on the heating part of the machine. When will redditors do their own research?
>GW: I developed it. I did not invent it. That was done by a German gentlemen whose name I've forgotten for years. I developed the machine that cooks them. He had invented the basic idea, how to make the potato dough, pressing it between two forms, more or less as in a wrap-around, immersing them in hot cooking oil, and so forth and so on. And we were then called in, I was in the engineering development division, and asked to develop mass production equipment to make these chips. And we divided the task into the dough making/dough rolling portion, which was done by Len Hooper, and the cooking portion, which was done by me, and then the pickoff and salting portion, which was done by someone else, and then the can filling/can sealing portion which was done by a man who was almost driven insane by the program. Because he would develop a machine, and he would have it almost ready to go, and they would say "Oh, instead of 300 cans a minute, make it 500 cans a minute." And so he would have to throw out a bunch of stuff, and develop the new machine, and when he got that one about ready, they'd say "make it 700 cans a minute." And they almost put him in a mental hospital. He took his job very seriously and he just about flipped out.

>>22029380
The Shadow of the Torturer by Gene Wolfe, monsieur?

Every character you meet in the story turns up again, hundreds of miles away, to reveal that they are someone else and have been secretly controlling the action of the plot. It feels like the entire world is populated by about fifteen people who follow the narrator around wherever he goes. If the next two books continue along the same lines, then the big reveal will be that the world is entirely populated by no more than three superpowered shapeshifters.

Everyone in the book has secret identities, secret connections to grand conspiracies, and important plot elements that they conveniently hide until the last minute, only doling out clues here and there. There are no normal people in this world, only double agents and kings in disguise. Every analysis I've read of this book mentions that even the narrator is unreliable.

This can be an effective technique, but in combination with a world of infinite, unpredictable intrigue, Wolfe's story begins to evoke something between a soap opera and a convoluted mystery novel, relying on impossible and contradictory scenarios to mislead the audience. Apparently, this is the thing his fans most appreciate about him—I find it to be an insulting and artificial game.

There is simply not enough structure to the story to make the narrator's unreliability meaningful. In order for unreliable narration to be effective, there must be some clear and evident counter-story that undermines it. Without that, it is not possible to determine meaning, because there's nowhere to start: everything is equally shaky.

At that point, it's just a trick—adding complexity to the surface of the story without actually producing any new meaning. I know most sci-fi and fantasy authors seem to love complexity for its own sake, but it's a cardinal sin of storytelling: don't add something into your story unless it needs to be there. Covering the story with a lot of vagaries and noise may impress some, but won't stand up to careful reading.

>>22029370
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/694119.The_Deep

>>22029399
Fucking authors who never check if their book name is already taken. Actually, the mistake is yours because you didn't specify the author.

>>22028562
Isekai is fine, Japanese isekai written in the last ten or so years isn't.

>>22029380
>When will redditors do their own research?
this has circulated on /lit/ since week 1

>>22028562
It is okay when you do it well and avoid most common tropes. Another thing is to write the same story about a young blank canvas man who gets transported into another world where he makes his way into being the most powerful being ever while harassed by a harem of women. It is the same story every time, only names change.

>>22029380
>>22029416
also this isn't even a technically wrong claim, he made machinery for making pringles, he made a pringles machine

>>22029015
Fixed

>>22029417
That's why I like Infinite Realm, the author'd heard 'Let a nigga be a Knight' and went and done that.

>>22029421
He said he didn't invent anything. He developed the invention from some German. "Inventors" aren't even real professionals; engineers are.

>>22029538
people generally claim he made it, not invented. at least that's what I heard most

Do you people actually like reading fantasy stories or just want to keep rereading the same thing you've read before?

>>22029103
Only LITRPG is enjoyed is infinite realm, all the other works have too much moralfa**otry

>>22028395
You should just get rid of the litrpg elements and just have the dark lord be an idiot solving people's problems.

>>22025535
I actually TOLD him this years ago. Brandon's problem isn't his pedestrian prose or even his weakness to pandering to shitlib trends like "Mental Health" and "Children in Cages" or whatever other weakass shit they're using to tapdance on their dopamine centers this week. I said then, and I'll say it again:

His problem is that he writes magic, which SHOULD be a subject as complex as any religion, something with majesty and wonder, he writes it like a Marvel superpower, like it's got these agonizingly well-explained physical laws. When HP Lovecraft wrote about supernatural stuff, did he get all autistic and make sure that you understood every rule and way that a power could manifest? No. Did Robert E. Howard do that? Do you know precisely what Jhebbal Sag's laws of summoning animals are? No. But you know that Conan knows how to do it, and how to avoid it, and that's enough.

Magic is supposed to feel like magic, you need to know what it's capable of plot-wise, but not every detail of it because then it's just a roundabout way of giving someone a gun. I told Brandon this (long story) and he looked at me like I was a crazy person.

>>22029611
Aren't you just saying that he's writing one genre when you like a different genre? Why must magic only be that thing to the exclusion of anything else?
If you like gamified systems, if you want to impose arbitrary rules on the world and see what follows, then how should you achieve that instead? Or should you never ever write that because it's wrong to enjoy it?
I haven't read Sanderson but this thinking seems exactly backward to me. It's like you think the story should serve the idea of magic rather than the other way around.

>>22029611
"Magic is just science undiscovered!" - current marvel and fantasy trends. Hence why spiderman needed to be injected with serum before he could do anything and web shooters

Vhbn

>>22025690
>sanderson

>>22029633
>It's like you think the story should serve the idea of magic rather than the other way around.
Not that anon, but Sanderson literally invents an autistic tabletop magic system, then writes a story as an afterthought. His stories exist as a means to deliver his magic system.
The systems are center stage, the plot is always just an excuse to implement the system. He's an author who would likely be better off writing codexes for tabletop games because he's clearly more interested in being a rules lawyer than a writer.
I find it less offensive than some anons because I just skip any paragraph where he's infodumping his magic systems, but it's still annoying. I have a much bigger problem with how unbearable upper middle class American all his characters are. Even his "edgy" characters come across as yuppies.

>>22029611
>>22029633
There. Sanderson is a gateway drug to something worse. Litrpg

What is the first red flag telling you the story is shit? For me it's female MCs

>>22029683
You forgot Mistborn.

>>22029633
Fantasy doesn't need to be any one way, and magic also doesn't need to be any one way, but if you write ten fantasy stories and every single one has magic as this totally explicable thing that has no wonder to it then you--or in this case Brandon--are the one who have decided that magic is only one way.

I simply pointed this out to him ten years ago back around the time we knew each other (long story) he tends to reduce things, and he doesn't have to. He has at least one spiritual bone in his body, he should know better. You can include mysticism without softening the realism of your story, and there's a little of it in there in Stormlight, but if you've ever read Mistborn it is totally absent, everything is just mechanical. The real world isn't like that, people read meaning into things but some things do have actual meaning, and of all of the things that could have meaning magic is like the most qualified of anything to have meaning. So how does magic just exist as a system and not something with greater implications?

>>22029689
i kinda like it

>>22029690
>>22029633
>>22029611
>>22025535
>nothing matters just do what you like to do
dropped

Do you like robot girls?

>>22029769
no

>>22029771
Do you like girls?

>>22029342
your """reviews""" ARE SHIT
FUCK OFF TO SHITRPG GENERAL
FAGGOT

>>22029779
no
I like whores

>>22029819
Oh, wow, you got an exciting new variant. Lucky!

>>22029877
you back to the shitrpg general, faggot
These threads experienced a new golden age because of my efforts against the swill you read

What's a good way to get more views on my royal road story?

>>22027197
>cracks

>>22029911
Ask the writing general.
>>>/wg/

This thread is so funny. Fantasy fans shitting on LitRPG as if the two genres aren't equal. Maybe one is slightly less trashy, but it's still McDonalds vs Burger King. At least LitRPG readers know it's trash. Don't eat McDonalds and insist it has culinary value that Burger King doesn't. You sound retarded.
In short, read a real book, you manchildren.

>>22029911
big boobies on cover, thank me later

>The darkness grew apace; a cold wind began to blow in freshening gusts from the east, and the showering white flakes in the air increased in number. From the edge of the sea came a ripple and whisper. Beyond these lifeless sounds the world was silent. Silent? It would be hard to convey the stillness of it. All the sounds of man, the bleating of sheep, the cries of birds, the hum of insects, the stir that makes the background of our lives—all that was over. As the darkness thickened, the eddying flakes grew more abundant, dancing before my eyes; and the cold of the air more intense. At last, one by one, swiftly, one after the other, the white peaks of the distant hills vanished into blackness. The breeze rose to a moaning wind. I saw the black central shadow of the eclipse sweeping towards me. In another moment the pale stars alone were visible. All else was rayless obscurity. The sky was absolutely black.

>A horror of this great darkness came on me. The cold, that smote to my marrow, and the pain I felt in breathing, overcame me. I shivered, and a deadly nausea seized me. Then like a red-hot bow in the sky appeared the edge of the sun. I got off the machine to recover myself. I felt giddy and incapable of facing the return journey. As I stood sick and confused I saw again the moving thing upon the shoal—there was no mistake now that it was a moving thing—against the red water of the sea. It was a round thing, the size of a football perhaps, or, it may be, bigger, and tentacles trailed down from it; it seemed black against the weltering blood-red water, and it was hopping fitfully about.Then I felt I was fainting. But a terrible dread of lying helpless in that remote and awful twilight sustained me while I clambered upon the saddle.

Kino.

>>22029859
Based
Any more fantasy/scifi with whores, women getting blacked or dads having sex with their slutdaughters?

>>22026164
Is this actually good? I"ve had it in my que for months.

>>22029975
no.

>>22029975
Sexy Sect Babes? I heard it's good, though not as much focused on erotica as Sexy Space Babes. Space Babes were more like HFY kind of fiction, so I assume that Sect Babes would be somewhat similar? Idk, haven't read it. I assume most of Sect Babes erotica chapters are paywalled on Patreon.

>>22029859
O cold, inconstant gods, what hath ye wrought? Terribly hath Brickzilla and Mandingo alike taken to the this fair nymph as Apollo to Daphne! Taken and broken and stolen away, her tongue cut out as Philomel! O Gods, hear my prayer, for 'tis this beauty's lost voice that trembleth soundly in mine ears. Lo! I do hear her terror-stricken cries, as hellish clarion peals across the darkening skies! Brickzilla comes with unthinkable and maddening girth, slapping and jerking that trunk-like cock as Gabbie Carter moans; outside, the whippoorwills flock and blot out the dying light, piping their insanity-inducing sounds, leading the dead soul of youth to the pale yonder. I can hear her now. Crying and laughing at once, as Brickzilla lets out a sonorous yell of horrifying ecstasy: BLACKED DOT COM.

>>22029459
Well both protagonists are fairly atypical for these sorts of stories. You have the nigh-sociopathic Ryun and then the "oh shit I'm lawful good but the laws suck" Zach. Also both start the stories pretty well-experienced.

>>22030009
This but unironically

>>22030085
So we don't really like fantasy, we just like porn? Which in of itself is a fantasy.

>>22030045
nta
I have no idea about any of the context about this, but the lawful part doesn't have to do with following legal matters.

>>22030125
Well he's specifically a guy who's lawful good in the sense of "rules of society exist for a reason" but he arrives in the Infinite Realm, sees the rules are basically "the strong do what they want", says fuck that and goes off to get strong enough to make a good society.

>>22030009

>>22029917
>Fantasy fans shitting on LitRPG as if the two genres aren't equal. Maybe one is slightly less trashy, but it's still McDonalds vs Burger King

Comparing rpgslop to Peake or Vance is just insane. Shut the fuck up

>>22030112
You can like both, there's plenty of cuckoldry and coomer-tier content in SFF, just look at heinlein.

>the litrpg posters all left
>the state of this thread.

>>22030190
I'm still here. I'm not gonna acquiesce to the demands of somebody mad people are talking about books in the book discussion thread.

>>22030190
shitrpg lovers are false flagging in this thread
The past two or three threads have been a golden age for /sffg/
Shitrpg posters were the cancer killing it

>>22030224
>No we can't discuss new books
>We must talk but not actually talk about the same five authors forever

>>22030190
>the litrpg posters all left
Thank GOD, now we can talk about based female protagonists

>>22030230
>No we can't discuss new books
And that's a good thing!

>>22030240
oh shit, have you read her book Born to Exile?

>>22030245
Not yet, it's on my tbr pile tho, i'm sure i will like it because i love stories about travelling musicians

>>22030278
it's good. She was supposed to write a trilogy but I think never did. Never read the second book.

>>22030173
Cope as much as you want manchild

>>22029859
>>22029934
>>22030085
>>22030183
I guarantee jannies are not taking these posts down. I guarantee it.

>>22030190
>the litrpg posters all left
And that is a good thing.

/sffg/ is better because of it, this is the best thread we have had in a while.

Is there any decent story that did an adaptation of Indian epics like Mahabharata or Ramayana lately?

>>22030538
cope

>>22030545
>Mahabharata or Ramayana
Don't know anything about those but Gunmetal Gods has a India/middle eastern type setting.

>>22030549
No u

>>22030545
just read the epics

Just finished The Darkness that comes before. I waited 500 pages for the holy war to happen and nothing happened! When does shit happen?

>>22030576
Next book is the best in the series.

>>22030584
Thank, Allah then. I shall continue

>>22029611
>I told Brandon this (long story) and he looked at me like I was a crazy person.
>"Anon, my writing makes lots of money, and lots of people like it, why would I write differently?"
Sanderson isn't stupid. The people who read him aren't necessarily either. They're just the kind of people who plod home from work then watch whatever is put in front of them, without any real hobbies or aspirations that don't involve consuming media.

>>22029859
all pornstars are prostitutes at heart

>>22030738
>Sanderson isn't stupid
yes he is

Is Annihilation orth a read?

So how do guys feel about a Trigun stan account getting this gay sci-fi novel to #9 on Amazon

>>22030775
Yes. It does a very good job of creating and then maintaining an eerie and creepy atmosphere throughout the entire trilogy but especially in the first book.

>>22027197
They're literally jet black Arians, stop niggeryfyng my dragon Bois

>>22030756
it's just semantics

>>22030774
Thats not stupid. Hes obviously writing to make money. He makes a lot of money. His writing being low quality in this context is a benefit.

Do you think cowboy builders (who get away with and make more money than honest, hardworking companies) are stupid for doing shitty jobs? They're laughing all the way to the bank. As is sanderson with his McMansion and horde of fans.

>>22030806
I don't trust anything about big company algorithms. Far too easy to lie or manipulate statistics and there is nobody to say otherwise.

>>22030862
it is stupid to not have a soul and sell to other stupid people. Only true artists are the non stupids, stupid. You think because OF whores show their pussies to stupids for fat cash that they are themselves not stupid? Almost everyone is stupid, the only one not stupid is probably the 190iq homeless skitzo under your local bridge.

>>22030876
Didn't realise I was speaking to a retard. Being able to sell schlock isn't evidence towards being stupid. Making millions off stories you can easily shit out suggests the opposite tbqhwy. You get plenty of soulless intelligent people.

I also wouldn't automatically assume an OF whore was stupid either. They could just be lazy and without dignity. Maybe if I heard them speak or something, but being a sellout or shit-salesman doesn't make you dumb. It just means you don't mind taking advantage of people.

>onlyfans whores
Tessa Fowler hasn't posted anything new on her OF for like a month and a half now and I bet she's still made a million bucks in that time. Amazing what a pair of big tits can do, eh?
What is the literature equivalent of this?

>>22031031
Check the recommended section on goodreads

>>22031031
Check the recommended section on amazon

There was an anon a few threads ago. He mentioned a book series that is similar to cradle, with a few similar plot points. I've completely forgotten the name of it and going back in the archives is proving fruitless. Does it ring a bell with anyone?

>>22031185
Buryoku, maybe? That's one I read recently that reminded me of Cradle in some ways (it's different enough, but it has a very similar sort of set-up and world).

Any Bakkerfags listen to the audiobooks before? I got 3 credits on audible I forgot about and you fags seem to love The Prince of Nothing.

>>22031220
That's the one! You're a legend anon

>>22031260
I gave it a read all the way to its currently latest book. It's not bad. Like, if I compare it to Cradle, it doesn't come across nearly as well, nobody is at all as well-characterised. The protagonist is a bit more 'standard', angry at the world because of injustices against himself compared to rising above that, he's a lot more "special by birth" than Lindon too which is fine if it starts that way, but it's a "oh by the way" deal... The love interest girl is just kind of a happy-go-lucky sort, the closest thing to a mentor is just kind of brooding serious man, it feels like there's just random conspiracies to make the protagonist unhappy for no reason, etc. Honestly the only thing that really surprised me was that a major main character actually just fucking dies in a way that reads like the author just sort of ran out of things to do with them.

>>22031283
>The love interest girl
Stopped reading

Idea for a fantasy book. Two generals on opposing sides of a long drawn out war experience random body swapping however while in their enemies body they must not let others catch onto the fact the swaps are happening

>>22031258
The audiobooks are bad. Just read it.

>>22031315
You already went so far, it' best you just just finish it. Only two sentences remaining.

>>22031341
Dumb af. It could happen but that should be maybe an event at the end of the book, the result of a book long political conspiracy, plotting and various other events etc

>>22031358
Not interested in protags who have love interests.

So all e girls have penises?

>>22031341
Get them to masturbate as they're in another's body. It'd be like freaky friday.

LITRPG so good, thought carl was just a cuck like some anons said here, but the story is actually good

>>22031650
>protag cuck
>b-but i-its good!

>>22031258
The first three books have a really good narrator. The last 4 switched and have one of those 90s style american narrators, which is quite jarring. Worth picking up the first three audiobooks for the cnaiur alone imo
t.read and listened to all the books, bakker giga-autist etc etc

BORN TO CANT
CONSULT IS A FUCK
鬼神 Kill Em All 4132 Year-of-the-Tusk
I am Mandati Man
478,637,782 CULLED SRANC

>>22030806
i liked the pacing of this story. kinda hard to tell who really lost the war.

Will antianythingbutBak-newfag continue sperging out? Will he devolve into more death threats over the internet? Find out next thread on... /sffg/!

>>22031650
fuck off back to shitrpg general
faggot

>>22031715
If I checked a short story collection and that was the index I'd be instered, ngl

>>22031772

>>22030538
Because litrpg is the only worthwhile fantasy at this point.
Everything else is just sanitized and fake
It's either done and redone trips by old writers who just write for next paycheck. Gurl protag or books written for mainstream reviews . It's all so boring
It's also why I mostly read either harem lit . Good web novels like shadow slave. lotm or old stuff like Howard and borough

>>22031860
>I mostly read either harem
Stopped reading there.

Who's reading this ?

>>22031881
It was basically the end. So you finished the post either way.

>>22031860
imagine believing this, this is your brain on /pol/
you are one of those faggots who says "the west has fallen" unironically right?

>>22031860
I'm no litrpg hater but you comparing shit like shadow slave to howard is hilarious

>>22031920
I'm not from the west nor I'm I white so . No.
But from where I can see it . The West has unironically fallen . I mean, have you looked at it recently?
It's pretty embarrassing.

>>22031936
it's been balkanized and you have to put effort into finding anything of value. Some parts of the orient invest more into educating the masses and letting them know higher quality work exists, forcing fine artists to show their work in public spaces and promoting pure literature the same way you'd promote trash fiction in the US. But in general the amount of people doing quality work remains the same. Some time ago an elecotralist right wing writer would share the space with a marxist revolutionary (just to give an example), now that alone is seen as an insult on both sides and they retreat to their personal bubbles where no one else will find out they exist.

thoughts about this LITRPG?

I tried writing a litRPG story but I just couldn't do it

>>22032004
Utterly 'fine'. Not awful. Not great. Good in places, suffers in others. Book 2 is a hilariously bad dip in quality because for some reason the author thought a filler arc was necessary, and the entire 'first major story arc' as it is takes like five books to finish. Decent main cast, protagonist is a little bland. None of them feel particularly distinct from their obvious trope archetypes, but they're not poorly executed in those archetypes.
It's just... Fine. It's like the most 7/10 LitRPG there is.

>shitrpg posters are trying to ruin the only few good threads we've had in years

>>22031702
>>22031348
The duality of man

>>22031341
>Two generals on opposing sides of a long drawn out war experience random body swapping however while in their enemies body they must not let others catch onto the fact the swaps are happening

General Litrpg and General SFFG?

>>22032004
It's pretty bad. Just an incoherent mashup of other litrpgs. Not so bad at first, but it becomes more and more irritating.

>22032071
>people like something I don't like
Why don't you pick which apply and then neck yourself?

>>22032112
you have a general for yourself
so fuck off to it litrpg autist

>>22032137
>I made a shitty general because I didn't want people to talk about books in the book-talking thread

>>22032137

>>22032173
damn i'd take that guy back over this fag any time

>>22032173
Imagine if dinosaurs still ruled the earth. Meteors were a mistake.

>>22032218

feel when Lin Ming is about to whoop Yan Littlemoon's ass

I read Parsifals Page. It was a pretty fun take on the legend. And I like the shint red cover.

>>22031860
haremrats are just a different type of male feminist

>>22032531
Based. It's Adam and Eve not Simp, Simpa and Simpette.

>final mage errant book is out today/yesterday
oh boy
how much weird underageb& is there
anyone read it?

>>22032668
imagine reading mage errant

>>22032685
well they're easy reads
book 1-2 were cool then it started getting weirder in book 3
book 5's big siege/battle was cool and a lot of the overall magic/locations is fairly imaginative

>350+ updoot baldree worship thread
lol

My thoughts are that
The braver a character is, the dumber he has to be
The smarter a character is, the more craven he has to be
There's no in between
Grima is smart and good with words, yet he is a coward who cannot fight properly
Conan, on the other hand, is brash and falls in love with sexy yet dangerous women too often

>>22032871
Conan isn't dumb, though.

>>22032877
He has foibles like thinking with his dick and constantly getting tricked by magicians (where magicians are personifications of reading/cunning). He's fairly consistent with Spenser's ideas about vice and virtue. Redcrosse almost has the same problems Conan has.

>page 10
>over bump
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