/lit/ - Literature

>>22025648
Bump

>>22025648
>>22025680
Ditto

>>22025648
My favorite would be Mainlander. I believe in practice what you preach and Mainlander was the perfect embodiment of that aphorism.

Simone Weil's work on the Greek epics is great. Bit people will dismiss her just because she was a woman.

>>22025718
Agree. He's an inspiration for sure. Many talk the talk, but only few walk the walk.

>>22025720
From my experience, even 4chan chuds adore her. She was undoubtedly an impressive thinker, especially when you factor in her young age

>>22025648
Stupid thread.

You can't lump them all together.

Read about Benjamin's suicide and you will find out that the circumstances of his suicide were extremely specific. He is - along with Debora and Deleuze - my favorite in this list.

Mark Fisher was severely depressed. I wouldn't call him a philosopher but he was an interesting critic, even more feuilletonistic - as k-punk - than strictly academic but writing too much about post punk and glam rock. How the fuck cares nowadays about Sixousie and the Banshies or Roxy Music? Stuck in the Eighties, that dude.

Weininger was just pathetic. A genius who got everything wrong. Kinda like Nick Land.

>>22025648
Does Alan Watts drinking himself to death count as a slow suicide?

>>22025731
>You can't lump them all together.
Yes, I can. In fact, I just did.
I didn't say: "Philosophers who died by suicide via justifiable motives", now, did I? Suicide is suicide. We can discuss about the cirmumstances all we want, the preceding sentence is not going to be invalidated as a result of this.

>>22025731
Everybody whines about how wrong Weininger was, all the while they never provide any specifics. By the same token, I declare that you're wrong about Weininger and that your whole life is wrong. Funny how that works, don't you agree?

>>22025648
>jesus
Kek

>>22025921
Consider following propositions

a. Jesus is G-d.
b. The crucifixion happend by G-d's plan and providence.
c. Jesus' crucifiction happened by His own plan and providence.
d. Suicide is the planned and willed effectualization, either by action or inaction, that results in one's own death.
e. As G-d, it was Jesus' plan and will to die by crufixion.
f. As G-d, Jesus could have prevented his own death.
g. He did not.
h. Ergo, Jesus' effected suicide.

The case can be made that this syllogism is both valid and sound. I challenge whoever disagrees to point out the false premise(s).

>>22025864
yeah they refuse to give details, it's weird

>>22025648
I wouldn't count Gödel as a suicide.

>>22025648
Albert Caraco

>Paul Lafargue
Based NEET

>>22025950
nice argument but I'm pretty sure the reason OP counts Jesus as a "debated" suicide is because it's thought he might have intentionally had Judas betray him

>>22025648
Gödel was murdered.

>>22026051
True he was delusional

>>22025718
Same, in a weird way he found the one hope in his pessimist world view

>>22025648
Holy shit this list is a meme.
Gödel and especially Boltzmann are not /lit/ (they may become /lit/ only after analysis or synthesis but that's true of anything). Besides, counting Gödel as a suicide is disingenuous (had his wife gotten out of the hospital faster or had he decided to cook his own damned food he wouldn't have continued to starve himself out of delusion).
Weil's so-called suicide is disputed for that matter as well.
Jesus being a suicide is a meme.

Adolf Hitler

Executions aren't suicides.
>>22026350
Not a philosopher. Politicians are merely rhetoricians with a lust for powers.

>>22026051
>>22026076
>>22026084
He literally starved himself to death.
>>22026308
Let's see your response to >>22025950 and whether you're able to show where the false premises lie, if there are any

>>22026308
>gödel is not /lit/
he has thousands of pages of philosophical writings. im pretty sure boltzmann also wrote philosophy

>Socrates
?

>>22026043
Agreed. All their responses amount to
>Weininger is wrong because... He just is mkay?
or
>Weininger is wrong because he hurts my fee fees waaaaahhh

>>22025648
Simone Weil didn´t kill herself??? wym?

>>22025648
You forgot the disputed suicide of Albert Camus.
>favorite
Hard to say. As for suicides, Empedocles' was the most fun, Deleuze's was understandable. As for their philosophy... Deleuze is my favorite.
>least favorite
Probably Socrates, what a show-off.

You can add Hermann Burger to your list.

>>22026643
She voluntarily starved herself to death.

>>22025648
>Alan Turing
>philosopher

>>22025648

>>22027178
hmmm

>>22027000
He made contributions to logic and philosophy of mind afaik.

>>22025648
>Ludwig Boltzmann
>Alan Turing
Stretching the definition of philosopers, isn't it?

>>22026386
>He literally starved himself to death
he didn't starve himself to death, he couldn't eat because he was convinced his food was poisoned. from his perspective he was murdered

Any articles or essays or books on how most thinkers throughout history are actually shitty people? It's a very interesting phenomenon. All of our intellectual heroes were losers who did nothing great in their lives.

>>22025648
It is also debated whether or not Deleuze committed suicide. His condition was such that it is possible he was leaning out of the window further for air.

One of the "Right to No Longer Exist" guys finally offed himself. He was a member of the promortalist offshoot of antinatalism. Reddit doesn't even allow promortalists anymore. Anyway, he followed the advice of so many opponents and hung life up for good. Not exactly a dead philosopher, but surely a death by philosophy.


https://youtu.be/45M9sv4dmFE
https://youtu.be/xOfwqRZgWdI

>>22027225
Faggotry aside, this is absolutely true. I don't think anyone of his era made a significant contribution to computing that was not philosophically minded.

>>22027324
It somewhat boils back to Byron Acton stating that all great men were bad men. It's a tangent, but it may be a good start.

>>22027178
If the filter can't even pick out the world's most notorious jew then what good is it?

>>22027485
can you rec any lesser known contemporaries of Turing with similar philosophically adjacent contributions?

>>22025648
lmao Deleuze killed himself? Not soon enough though, sadly. What a bunch of retarded faggots postmodernists are

>>22025648
>Gilles Deleuze
Did he really?

>>22025648

Walter Benjamin did not commit suicide idiot, it was either that or Auswitch. I'm tired of ahistorical retards making stupid threads without any knowledge on the subject of what they are posting.

>>22028961
That's suicide, get over it pussy.

>>22025950
>Jew who isn't allowed to type "God" doesn't get Christianity

>>22025864
>>22026043
>>22026399
The stupid dipshit killed himself before he did anything all he did was falsely suggest women were sexual in nature and also illogical and men were logical in nature and also moral. He drew conclusions between logic and morality that didnt exist. He would be loved by modern "manosphere" types.

His takes were quite literally what you expect from an early 20s male.

>>22025648
>Favorite
Weininger
>Least Favorite
Mark Fisher

>>22025731
Sixousie and Roxy Music are actually very popular among zoomers

>>22027339
Good riddance

>>22025950
When you sacrifice yourself for something...that isnt suicide....Suicide is when you kill yourself with the purpose of ending yourself. Like heroes who go to war, knowing they would durely die...its different from person who is depressed.

>>22029142
>Suicide is when you kill yourself with the purpose of ending yourself
How is this a different proposition that the one laid down in proposition (d)? You just can't bring yourself to admit it, can you?

>>22028970
>illiterate simpleton thinks a snarky dismissal equals refutation

>>22029142
>When you sacrifice yourself for something...that isnt suicide....
It really is, though. It's called altruistic suicide, which is still suicide

>>22028994
>he did was falsely suggest women were sexual in nature and also illogical
I fail to see where the inaccuracy in those claims lies.
inb4 >well that just means u stupid mmkay? not like me who is very smart lmao

>>22029233
It's not groundbreaking and it's also not correct, there is no such thing as a logical human, and all moral foundations are illogical. There are many manly men who are completely honorless. There are many extremely feminine women that are completely withdrawn from public for their own self respect.

>>22029225
I think a necessary component of suicide, self-murder, is to take your life by your own hands. To merely permit someone else to do something to you that will result in your death unless you renounce a certain thing is not suicide but sacrifice. An 'altruistic suicide' would be actively killing yourself if it helped other people.

for me, it's suicide by ass

>>22029250
Well its a good thing you dont make words because youre a fucking idiot

>>22025648
>>Socrates (coerced)
Socrates wasn't coerced into killing himself, he entirely accepted responsibility for his death by either
>being guilty of the crime, which is his own fault
>remaining long enough in a corrupt society to be punished politically when given the chance to leave, which is his own fault
He was given multiple opportunities to flee captivity but did not, because he viewed the outcome as his own fault no matter what

>>22029243
At last, this is a response I can accept and an elucidation of your view that I can validate. Hats off to you, Anon.

>>22029250
You're not the final authority of English etymology, kid. Your response is a textbook display of the No True Scotsman fallacy.

>>22025648
there should be a (disputed) by Weil. we have no way of knowing to what degree her death was intentional

>>22029616
Is this a joke about her clumsiness?

>>22029620
no that's not how i intended it but i mean that is kinda how it happened. she was just fasting and overshot the mark a little and died

>>22028056
im guessing you mean jesus. i mean yeah look i agree with you but i get why the devolpers wouldnt want to include jesus so as to appeal to more people. https://coincidencedetector.com/

Thomas Merton

Electric fan in the bathtub I don't care if they called it an accident

>>22029222
Being a jew means you're wrong

>>22029225
No. Suicide is the want to escape from everything by killing one self. Sacrifice is willingness to face death if it means protecting something. One wants to die. Other doesnt want to die, but they still do it because they want to save others.

>>22025648
My two favorites on that list are Gödel and Turing, neither of whom committed suicide. Gödel starved to death in a fit of madness and Turing was assasinated by the British secret service.

So I'm left with Socrates. Most the others are hacks

>>22029217
Suicide: I dont want to live anyway as I (usually due to sickness, mental issues or environment) dont value my life at all
Sacrifice: I want to live, but there are things I want to protect and those I love. If I need to die to protect them, then I will.
CONTEXT

>>22028994
Woman isn’t illogical, she is non-logical. She is not ‘sexual in nature’, she is sexuality. Feminine existence in body and mind is formed through hypnosis and the want of worth, instruction towards something better outside of herself, or more demanding to revenge on everything that’s missing. And logic itself is just a tool to gain reverence, devotion and faith, thus morality and ethics stand above it as it’s completed goal. Logic isn’t a state of being, it’s an action towards rejoining the multitude or heavenly choir. Ethics is completed logic. Manosphere crowd could never simp for Weininger, he steals too much away from them
>>22029243
Weininger doesn’t care about good or bad morality. Man is either affirmation or complete negation. Man can be world redeemer or world terrorizer. And there has never been a great woman terrorizer of the world and there never will be. And what is woman could never redeem anything from her femininity, it doesn’t have the strength to respect itself enough to have an inner world where ideas are connected, or the inner cravings to command the completion of thoughts, it relies completely on suggestion.

>>22028970
based juice hater is based

>>22025731
>How the fuck cares nowadays about Sixousie and the Banshies
Me. I'm a zoomer

>suicide
>forced suicided
>altruistic suicide
>martyrdom

>>22028951
Jumped out of a window, my guy

>>22030947
>A genius who got everything wrong
If you're referring to the Wittgenstein quote it's widely misinterpreted. Weininger did Jewish philosophy in an Aryan way, Wittgenstein did Aryan philosophy in a Jewish way, so he's really just trying to complete Weininger in a wider circle. Jewish thought used to be day dreaming, floaty orientalism, personal similes and metaphors. Aryan thought was sobriety, world interconnectivity through commitment to reality, personal domination.

>>22025648
I quite liked that Seneca practiced his philosophy in action by taking his coerced suicide like a man.

>>22025648
>philosophers only killed themselves in during the decadence of modernity or even the decadence of modernity
Really makes you think.

>>22031122
Philosophers kill themselves every day, each day since the dawn of man.

So based

>>22025648
Add disputed for Empedocles too.

>disputed

suicide sisters.... not like this....

>>22031154
Only the godless gay ones

>>22025648
I could have fixed her.

>>22028994
I used to think Weininger was too crude, fitting into such simplifications as you yourself posited (''men great, women mediocre; men genius, women sexual; men heroes, women housewives''), because indeed, there were passages posted on this board which more or less read like that. But book is actually nuanced. I agree and think it is pertinent. Why do women have points of sexual excitement spread throughout her body? They are much more sensitive. Weininger writes that it is wrong to think of man as asexual, as something beyond sex, but that this force acts in a moment only, it is something he just needs to discharge, it is like an explosion. And is this not true? How long does it take for a woman to reach orgasm compared to men? I was searching up the incidence of post-coital dysphoria in men and wanted to see if it prevailed in males, but couldn't find a study on this specific inquiry. What I found was that many males experiences PCD (or PCT).

lit is genuinely the worst board on 4chan, double digit iq losers having the most meaningless convos every single fucking time

>>22025731
>A genius who got everything wrong. Kinda like Nick Land.
Hilarious statement
both of them got a lot right while drawing the incorrect conclusions
Land is much more impressive and insightful too

>>22032287
>How long does it take for a woman to reach orgasm compared to men
Weininger could have them squirting with one touch. He was the real deal Don Juan type

>>22025950
Why don’t you type God?

>>22025950
Also Jesus was murdered by Jews, he and knowledge it would happen but that doesn’t change it from murder

>>22032530
You know exactly why.

>>22032538
I really don’t

>>22032541
It starts with J and ends with rat.

>>22032287
Why do you care about nuance and crudeness. No one else cares, you're never going to find yourself in a charitable environment. They want to see someone go up on stage and command thunder and lightning like Wagner himself

>>22032287
this is the face of someone trying to be erudite and level headed and he's talking about post-nut clarity. The internet is fucking trash. Give these people what they want and beat them relentlessly

>>22032287
>Why do women have points of sexual excitement spread throughout her body?
Men do too

>>22032926
>men do too!!!
But maleness doesn't. If someone had 100% maleness (and the idea comes from the bisexuality of plant life not sociology) he would have the tiniest penis in existence, because there would be nothing in him needed to be forgotten and extended outward ulterior to his will during the throes of sexual ecstasy. Everything needed to be replicated inside of him would do so through continuity. Everything would be connected with thick mental sinews that could relate and extend to anything. The internal complexity and mass would lead to a wide array of outward tools that could attach and find coherence with all other phenomena that already originates in people but is forgotten due to low worth interfering with the craving to find relation. Everything that exists originates from people, but they have a bad memory and an assortion of blind spots, so they reach out epileptically to whatever kernel they can find to regenerate themselves. The easiest way is found in the path of man seeking woman and woman seeking man. And the closest thing to gods walking on earth is a married couple

>>22033132
>If someone had 100% maleness he would have the tiniest penis in existence
wtf? I'm 100% male! Take that, Chad!

>>22033142
Is Chad another one of your imaginary friends

>>22033161
No he's every asshole who gets his dick wet and Stacey is every cunt that deserves rape!

>>22033187
You are mentally deranged

>>22033190
no hymen, no diamond

>>22033204
Woman can loose her hymen from any sort of overwhelming mental impression, a train passing by or even slight non-sexual whispers. She stores these mental impression for later use in the manufacturing of her biological children, which is what leads to the child partly being it's own creation, along with the impressions of the parents as handicap, and finally the command and will of the new being itself that it grows and adds on through its own adolescents. The parent's trying to interfere and control beyond that critically gimps the child and cuts it off from it's own potential and hurts it from developing into an actual human being. This relationship of the need to control from one and the inevitable and morally wrong gimping of another is mirrored in that of the woman, as the woman spark is similar to the flame of potential in the child. Fire that feeds off the air it can grab and take is stronger than a flame under a lamp hood fed with sticks and twigs.