/lit/ - Literature

>>21996031
Me, unironically.

>>21996031
Me, unironically.

>>21996031
Society has been implicitly reshaped so that an emergence of such an individual is no longer possible. The bureaucracy is in charge now, and the most powerful individual we will ever know is a nameless civil servant who will write policy recommendations for world leaders.

>>21996117
Depressing thought

>>21996031
>he thinks great men, in any location or occupation, still exist
Lmao, welcome to the reign of the Antichrist.

>>21996031
>he still thinks Napoleon and Caesar were great men
anon, i...

When I look at the state of the world and lack of dignity for everyone other than those born wealthy, I wonder if a great man would or should even want to rise to the top of it.

Trump, Elon, I guess. Then I suppose whichever antifa warlord rises up during the collapse to seize power.

>>21996031
'great men' is a psyop to make you believe collaboration of the masses is impossible

>>21996031
Those great men were produced by the population, and reflected its will. The population today is weak, cowardly, and corrupt. This is why our leaders exhibit these behaviors. It is impossible for a weak people to produce a great leader.

>>21996219
It's precisely a lack of centralized power that got us in this mess.

>>21996031

>>21996031
Grow up

>>21996031
How is this literature?

>>21996230
Disagree. Rome was full of great men who rose up during times of degenerate populations. It's more like a strong population will keep in check weak rulers.

>>21996267
Current society is nothing like Rome.

your desire for "Great" man is a symptom of your own weakness

>>21996031
All those men were scapegoats why the fuck would you ever want that? Hitler created the skeleton to destroy whiteness. You don’t win by fighting fire with fire, hell with hell.

>>21996255
This is closer than you would think. He is genuinely a messaging genius.

>>21996290
This is the kind of braindead heathen future Caesar can look forward to being scapegoated by.

>>21996275
Wow that's really deep do you know OP or something?

>>21996307
I know his kind

Well if the whole 4th turning theory is correct, we should be having the height of our crisis during the next few years. The people who will be remembered as “great men” and also the worst villains of the day will be the leaders at the time. If the theory is right, they’ll be a mixture of Baby boomer ideologues, Gen X generals, and Millennial war heroes

>>21996031
Any potential Great Man is systematically searched for among the youth through various programs and, if unable to be otherwise rendered harmless or converted to actually benefit the reigning powers, will be subtly (or not so subtly) destroyed.

Why do you want a new Caesar? Do you think war is cool?

>>21996255
>>21996290
His ego has become insufferable since 2020.

>>21996340
We need someone to push back against the madness and degeneracy in our society. Vivek Ramaswamy embodies that kind of leader we need. Also Andrew Tate who they tried to lock up based on trumped up charges.

>>21996379
>Also Andrew Tate
LMAO

>>21996031
We had Frank Amodeo but the glowies got him before he could start. He has been pacified, but for a time; he was a literal Ace Combat villain.

/lit/ - Literature

>>21996125
>conflating 'good' and 'great'

anon...

>>21996379
This might be crazy to hear, but wanting people to be erased just for a small hateful minorities benefit , being okay and encouraging people to be killed like dogs for skin color, wanting the poor or middle class to be treated subhuman by societal systems for not having a million dollars+, and of course fighting the people who want a better life for everyone strong or weak, makes you a degenerate.

>>21996428
Sounds like a zany little fantasy world you're living in.
How many boosters did you get, just out of curiosity?

>>21996031

>t.

>>21996328
>Tfw born just in time to be a thirty something year old death squad leader who commits heinous war crimes but gets off scott free due to making the right political gambles
I'm okay with this

>>21996117
Cope. Your name will be forgotten in a century.

>>21996219
>>21996275
>>21996428
This. Great Man theory is just the atomized, frankly more bourgeois, variant of weak men make hard times theory. The people rallied to Caesar not because he was a man who’s vision they blindly trusted but because he stood for all men and shared their hopes and dreams. He was the expression of a decadent republic’s wish to cast off the fetters of disease. He was only the figurehead, the foremost drop of a wave of societal change. Had he not been Caesar but Callas it wouldn’t have changed much at all. The actual engine of history is the complex process of societal tensions, ideology, psychology, geography, etc. To simplify it down to a reductive scheme of cycles or great men is to deny the importance of entire swathes of humanity, without which, no comprehensive view of the world can be formed. More importantly, it acts as reasonable justification for those with a limited knowledge of history to be pugnaciously content in their warped vision of history. History is written by the literate few of the victors but the battle is won by the coordinated movement of levies, everymen. And that’s not to say that the defeated don’t have their oral traditions in their prison camps, fermenting, waiting to bubble to the surface.

I honestly think Pat Tillman and could've done really great things if he wasnt killed by his fellow soldier's. He couldve been a great adovcate for changing the view of the Afghanistan for the general public, possibly saving many lives for both sides and maybe impeading the threat of American conservatism and evil nationlism. Oh and also Adam Friedland, duh

>>21996433
The fact you think its a good thing to make fun of people for getting boosters only reinforces my point. Tell me how people wanting to get boosters to further protect themselves, protect complete strangers from harm and death, and wanting to protect the people we love for bodily harm makes us lesser? Genuinely change your worldview and the figures you like, you degenerate freak

>>21996486
Good post. Ted says this in ATR, how the great leaders and most powerful men in history have merely tried to steer what is controlled by mass psychological phenomena and conflux of social conditions, that which occur naturally and can never be accurately predicted or controlled.

>>21996492
my worldview is unironically fairly close to tillman's

>>21996255
Gay communist.

>>21996517
Because the boosters harm you and do very little against a rapidly evolving virus that is mostly harmless when you catch it anyways. You’d have to fail at basic logic to not see the silliness of the booster, the fact you’re insufferably smug about your idiocy because you listen to your masters is exactly why.

>>21996466
Looks like yours too

>>21996176
Trump seems ok

But Elon... Seems like a puppet. He caters to pop-sci and meme culture that is oftentimes based but somehow he managed to fuck it up.

>>21996255
Who's this?

With "America First" cup.... Red flag to me after reading a bunch of historical books

>>21996031
Jokes aside, it's actually me. It's a long and multi-stepped process which I've busted my ass for, but with me finishing college next week I should be able to kick things into overdrive.
>You won't do it faggot
It's not even that I just want to do it, but rather that I need to do it, because I'm literally incapable of living a plain existence.

I'll give you a hint: within the next decade, I will rule over a Western European state which will disrupt world order and piss globohomo the hell off.

>>21996557
>which will disrupt world order and piss globohomo the hell off.
How?
What books you read so far?

>>21996555
I can’t wait until this gay shit is over. Have your little retard party so the rest of humanity can get on with our lives already. Just don’t forget, you all wear dunce caps.

>>21996551
A Booster is meant for mostly for new variants that pop up, but its also a small refresher on the strength of the vaccine.

>boosters harm you and do very little against a rapidly evolving virus that is mostly harmless when you catch it anyways

Once again youre showing how much of a selfish loser you're. I don't give a shit if I feel ill for a few days from a booster if it protects people who are in danger from it and strangers along the way too. I get that covid for the majority of people is not life threatening. But I'm hight risk, I associate with people who are high risk or in danger from it. So to get one or two boosters no matter how small is always good to have no matter how small it improves the vaccine. I don't give a shit if some fucking pest of a politician says dont get it, flat earth Karen #5687 on facebook says people are sheep for getting it, famous sex traffickers, and fucking evil forever alone forgotten morons like you say its lame

>>21996561
Elon is that you? I think you got your memes from here

Nice to meetcha'!

>>21996031
Berserk is so fucking cool god fucking damn

>>21996557
You're not that guy pal, trust me, you're not that guy

Pic related

>>21996521
Stay cool

>>21996031
We have a thread up about one
>>21992825

>>21996328

>they’ll be a mixture of Baby boomer ideologues, Gen X generals, and Millennial war heroes

Höhöhö ... :)

Sorry Sir, but history has already ended.
May I interest you in some Ancient Greek?

>>21996031
>Napoleon
Lost pathetically, ended up not ruling even his own house. Sure was great.

>>21996555
>Trump seems ok
lol. I guess it's just too hard on /pol/tards' self-image to admit they were played by the most obvious conman.
What >>21996486 says is quite true. We have an instinctive desire to frame events incl history in terms of personalized stories, with heroes and villains and so forth. Abstract theorizing takes the spice out of it and is instinctively resisted by the average joe. All self-understanding, be it as an individual or as a species, requires letting go of comfy childhood fantasies.

From universal life, through millennial world, into heroical crepuscle.

William Blake & Ezra Pound were the great men of their era NOT Lord Byron & Benito Mussolini who represent a corruption from their economic ideal


the most important person of an era must be a poet... other great persons in history being

John Milton & Edmund Spenser
Vergil & Dante

>>21996125
Ok retard let me point out something
You know this dude Lermontov. He is a very influential russian poet. His poem, borodino, a very popular one, satirises peasants like you who hated napoleon just because the tsar told him so.

>>21996255
real shit

>>21996328
> millenial war heroes
Millennials are in their thirties.

Historically, great men would’ve been born aristocrats or would’ve come up in the Army. Well, the aristocracy is gone and the pseudo-aristocracy we have no is kind of a joke. I also think there are a lot of would-be great men either outright avoid military service because that also is kind of a joke and requires success in a bachelor’s degree program before leadership is even possible. A lot of them are probably stumbling in and out of college degree programs and shitty jobs that they never really wanted until they’re in their 30s. The millennials in particular have found themselves in a wasteland of failed degrees and shitty jobs and not in military service. The filter into the elite class seems to be college and early career performance, but that’s been a complete disaster for millenial men.

he's right here

Great men also seem to always grow up in a time where things are happening. Nothing is happening right now. The war in Ukraine is a perfect illustration of just how bizarre the times are gotten. That’s a conflict where, in pre-modern times, the United States and NATO allies would have had to deploy advisors and probably soldiers to fight on the ground if it’s a war it wants to be involved in. But in modern times, it can merely deploy sanctions against the Russians and send weaponry, checks, and tech to the Ukrainians to fight on their behalf. So all of those 20-something’s who would’ve been getting military experience in Ukraine are not. They’re just sitting at home with a crumbling economy, imploding institutions, and nothing to do besides play video games.

>>21996031
There is no real cultural elite, sociologically speaking. The elite cares less and less about the arts and the humanities and it is common knowledge that the quality of education in general, even in more prestigious institutions, has been in a freefall for almost a century. Combine that with the average IQ dropping by increasingly large amounts and you have an environment which is extremely unconductive towards the creation of good art.

>>21996413
No I’m not. They weren’t great men. No greater than me.

>>21997544
What does good art have to do with a great man? Great men are people like Charlemagne, Napoleon, Cromwell, and Washington. They’re political and military leaders.

>>21996556
my soon-to-be husband, unironically.

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>>21997797
>really dude?
Devasting image

>>21996255
He fell off. Listened to a recent clip of him complaining about Sam Hyde. He no longer has that youthful vigor but now just just sounds like a fag complaining about Twitter drama. I really did believe in his talents 5 years ago but he hasn't improved at all. Wasted potenial

>>21996340
No. I don't. In fact war is not meritocracy at all but just 90% pointless toil until you get drone strikes.

What I mean is a genius, young man who seems almost beyond human and who can speak with such eloquence you might think him to be possessed

>>21997529
I woul rather great men from up playing vodka than fighting in a modern war. What do you learn from crawling in the mud and getting shot by a drone? Video games are meritocracy and test reaction tim IQ, and build bonds

>>21996340
Modern war isn’t cool, but it might be cooler than transsexual symbol analysis wage slavery and living with your parents because you can’t afford rent for the rest of your life.

>>21997841
Vidya* not vodka ffs

>>21997829
Westerners worship intelligence and eloquence because this is a thoroughly bourgeois civilization. In reality, all great men have been first and foremost warlords.

>>21997852
I don't care. I believe in truth and beauty. The next great man must be a 21 year old zoomer (zoomers are now between 26-11 so we are running out of time) and must be 6'3 minimum.

He must have no prior political connections or experience but simply glide in through his sharp rhetoric and impeccable Reasoning

>>21997862
Intelligence and eloquence will never get you truth or beauty. It will get you an ugly tech world run by a technocrat because that’s what intelligence and eloquence means in tech world.

>>21997894
I do not mind tech world insofar that it is managed by a great man. Hiererachy setermined by standarized tests, epcot cities, space faring and eugenics to create 7th tall, pale ublermensch with purple eyes and wings is exactly what I want

>>21997906
And what you want is a fantasy. What you actually get are human pigs that only exist to serve technological power.

>>21997906
I wouldn’t mind if I got my ridiculous fantasy scenario either, but fantasies are not real. What you’re actually going to get are hapless human pigs farmed by AI and enslaved to computers, but pacified by online chat rooms and digital dopamine.

>2023
>I am forgotten

>>21996031
It's me. Just give me some time to gather an epic backstory.

>>21996117
This is literally true. There are only a few places a great man can even emerge from in modern society.

>>21996176
>Trump
>Elon

Neither of these are close to great men.

>>21996340
Yes. Despite the fact that modern war is cringe I still jizz in my pants at the tought of personally decapitating Kim jong un.

>>21997841
>What do you learn form avoiding dying to a drone

I dont know anon... But maybe how to avoid dying from drones? Would seem like that is a good skill to have in a modern war....

>>21998096
> tfw 30 and missed my shot at a backstory
It’s actually over this time

>>21998106
Such as?

>>21996176
burgers begone, your terminal brainrot is half the reason we're in this quagmire

>>21997696
Anon, are you gay?

>>21997457
the only correct post, and the outright dismissal of this statement is part and parcel of the disease that has led people to even wonder in desperation how we can be in such a mess in the first place. The same people that got us into this modern state of abject misery and self-destruction are the same people who want this man and his vision to be flayed alive, and its not just a funny coincidence. Take a long step back from the plugged-in worldview the average person tends to have and maybe you'll see some truth to what i say. Otherwise, there is no hope for you. Jesus was crucified for being a heretic, but that didn't mean the Romans were on the right side of history.

>>21996031
It's Great MAM in the future for you, chud!

>>21996379
>Vivic Ramsay Anyway

>>21996031
Me, ironically.

>>21996517
>still shilling for multinational pharmaceutical companies failed products because the TV told you to

kys you massive faggot

>>21997553
Hate to break it to you but you are, in fact, not a military and political genius

>>21996583
>I'm high risk
Fat fuck
>Muh duty to protect others
The vax doesn't even prevent transmission or even infection. Have fun with that increased chance of heart failure on top of your obesity induced high rate of heart failure.

>>21998342
>he would reject the flesh nexus
pathetic brainlet

>>21998005
>You can't get what you want because...you just can't ok!?

>>21998394
Lmao nigga lost the argument and devolved into name-calling and assuming

>>21998601
You can assume a lot about someone (being a dysgenic weakling) if they're at high risk from catching a bad flu

>>21998650
I'm high risk because I had a pneumothorax in the past, not because of anything else. But prettty funny that you clearly have no life and friends when you you can only name call someone who just doesnt want other people to get sick or die

>>21998537
Do you see technological civilization and rule by the technocrats making ubermensch or do you see human livestock slumped over computers in cubicles and addicted to social media? You’re an idiot if you still believe the space colonialism future is remotely possible still.

>>21996031
Griffith is such a pussy bitch and anyone who idolizes him or prefers him over Guts is a raging faggot.

>>21998055
Pure windbag. He was never really gonna do anything.

>>21998342
I get that is was made to make fun of liberals, but this shit literally applies more to conservatism and fascism.

>Follow heckin Trump he'll say we'll be white again and can rape women without consequence
>put on the feckin alt-right Pepe, roman statue, selfie in your car, and k-on profile, as we all agree on how everyone should be forced to live their lives
>Dont get mad at things becoming sticter, be happy the heckin minorities exist, were totally not next when they're gone
>Things are so terrible for conservatives, its not like we literally won and our idealogy is moving faster and faster to an almost 100% version of conservatism for the U.S. The exact directory of societal collapse is happening
>Follow our supreme leader
>Only eat meat
>be racist
>be a bigot
>be as unlikable as humanly possible
>Wish harm for literally everybody that exist that is'nt white
>You cant make decision for your body, only we can
>Become ungovernable my promoting the U.S military and police every day
>Join the blob become a fat fuck who all believe the idealic past, that never existed

>>21996255
Nick is probably one of the best orators alive rn, but he's not as smart as he thinks, intellectually even midwits like Steven Bonell mog him, not that Destiny has the right answers he's just clearly smarter than Nick.
A "Great Man" needs to excell in a lot more than just one area.

>>21996031
I don't think it's possible, maybe when we start to fuse machine with man and we are able to transfer large amounts of information to the brain.

The problem is the current generations have too many distractions to ever "excel" in multiple things, people in the past, especially upper class people, had nothing to do but stury and try to be great at what they wanted, which in current times is exclusive to autists and now they waste thousands of hours becoming the best at online games instead of something more worthwhile.

>>21997529
>Great men also seem to always grow up in a time where things are happening. Nothing is happening right now. The war in Europe is a perfect illustration of just how bizarre the times are gotten. That’s a conflict where, in pre-modern times, the United States and League of Nation allies would have had to deploy advisors and probably soldiers to fight on the ground if it’s a war it wants to be involved in. But in modern times, it can merely deploy sanctions against the Germans and Japanese and send weaponry, checks, and tech to the British, Chinese and Soviets to fight on their behalf. So all of those 20-something’s who would’ve been getting military experience in Europe are not. They’re just sitting at home with a crumbling economy, imploding institutions, and nothing to do besides listen to the radio
-some American in 1940

Xi jing ping

>>21998832
I don't think you understand conservativism nor fascism if this is your critique. I recognize that you probably mean the liberals that claim to be conservatives, but your straw man is retarded. No fascist (or other third positionist) saw Trump as anything more than a protest vote, fascism does not advocate for rape nor zero consequences. In fact, most fascist systems are harsher on rape than the current liberal systems insofar that the current system would call it "barbaric".
The point is: Your strawman sucks and you don't understand politics or even the meme. It was made to mock progressivism. "I wonder why progress looks so much like destruction."

>>21998832
This entire post is so retarded I don't even know where to begin lmao

>>21998732
Me taking the vax or not has zero to do with you or anyone else and your physical wellbeing is literally not my problem. Just go right for chud or incel next time and save us both the trouble.

>>21998877
Nick could have been "great" if he kept trying to improve. He peaked at 19 and all his oratory skills stem from practice in high-school hence why he keeps talking about model UN and debate club.

Watching Nick now, it feels like he lost 15 IQ

>>21996109
>>21996110
And who are you?

>>21998191
I should really only be basically China and USA in the current state of the world as those are the countries with the most power. I dont know what the fuck you can ever possibly achieve militarily if your from any european country, and other countries are not even worth mentioning.