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What are some fantasay novels that are lowkey about time travelling?

>>21941215
>lowkey
It either is or isn't.

>>21941215
Dragonlance Legends

>>21941215
Actually Black Company fits this. You'll have to read until the southern arc though, with Murgen. And here, it's more dream time travelling than physical.

Spent way too much on these, but it was worth it so that now no one can call me racist again. Checkmate

I'm going to cut Patrick Rothfuss' beard off like Bronn to Pycelle if I don't get news

>>21941495
Here's the scoop: it will never be finished. Also, you're dumb for liking it

>>21941495
I double dare's ya, chickenshit.

>>21941439
>the quest for kush

There really aren't any books of late that are popular without being agitprop, are there?
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2022/jul/20/top-10-21st-century-fantasy-novels-brian-attebery

>>21941439
GOTTEM

>>21941505
I stumbled into a channel that posts clips of him talking to his twitch chat and he seems like such a massive pussy

>>21941505
more like cuckfuss

>>21941538
>>21941546
He really knows about D&D and Rick and Morty, incels.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgTVMfnjU3c

>>21941215
The Lord of the Rings
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_J._R._R._Tolkien%27s_fiction

>>21941517
They think they are getting new ideas, experiences, and breaking new ground by pushing minorities, but the actual books themselves just come off as resentful. Moralizing, passive-aggressive lectures, etc., you’ll never write a single good book from a place of resentment. Embarrassing. T. Minority

>>21941517
Only certain parts of Europe get media attention anyway, so once my country gets the same attention then I might care.

>>21941208
Do you have any favourite lines in a story?
>I see it—coming here—hell-wind—titan blur—black wings—Yog-Sothoth save me—the three-lobed burning eye….

what authors have kino prose like rothfuss

>>21941729
Christopher Ruocchio writes some cuckcore you'd enjoy

>>21941729
Do you know of Bakker?

>>21941732
This reads like a summary or a historical record or something, is the whole book like this?

>>21941744
He's usually much more narratorial.

>>21941730
>>21941732
Alright, you've convinced me. I will read Gene Wolfe.

Book where they go to space and it's inter-dimensional horrors instead of aliens? Like ghosts and stuff?

>>21941786
Unironically my diary desu.

>>21941786
event horizon novelization with the cut content when

Fantasy told from the perspective of an evil wizard/Sorcerer? no kellus pls

>>21941880
cradle

>>21941904
>webnovel shit

>>21941880
If ignorance is evil, then that's Rincewind.

>>21941911
I was just joking (although lots of people think Lindon is a villain) but Cradle isn't a webnovel.

>>21941265
sometimes the nature of the world a book is set in doesn't become clear until later, like in the inverted world for example. i think that's what anon means by 'lowkey'. can't think of an example right now though

>>21941208
Is there any decent 'progression fantasy' where the author doesn't get so caught up in the smell of their own mental farts and stall the thing ad nausem?

>>21941911
since when cradle is a webnovel

>>21942130
>Is there any decent 'progression fantasy'
No

I don't like nu fantasy. Will they really force me to write my own schizoid fantasy?

Heil Bakker. Heil our victory.

>>21942176
Name 12 works you've read

>>21942186
I'd love to read a schizoid fantasy. I don't think I've ever come across one with a prominent schizoid character.

>>21942189
Can't. I drop them every time because they're all terribly written. Progression fantasy needs visuals to be tolerable.

>>21942130
Which ones have you read?

>>21941880
Clark Ashton Smith wrote a bunch of stories like that.

I like to write fantasy women (elf girls and cat girls mostly) as cute docile blobs and sometimes bang maids but they're so looked down upon that I feel ashamed for liking it. What do?

>>21942248
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isekai

>>21941947
>although lots of people think Lindon is a villain
Do you mean out of universe or in? Even in-universe, Lindon doesn't really commit any acts that could be seen as too villainous besides "robbing people who've already openly antagonised him".

>>21941947
>>21942316
Sirs, Lindon is a region in Middle Earth, not a person.

So I'm still in the very beginning of Player of Games; Gurgeh got his visit from the spook drone and everyone was shitting themselves. Is the entire book going to be about this dude trying to find his GAYMEN fix? I don't really mind it so far now that it is moving along.
>>21942316
reminder that lindon's height, musculature, and goldsign eyes make him spooky to most people who meet him

>>21942187
>Read bakker
>I sleep
Why is this?

hell yeah

>>21942750
I don't even care anymore

>>21942664
Dunno about Bakker, but I don't care much about grimdark stuff. Real life is grimdark to me, all you can do is add torture porn on that, but I don't care for it.

>>21942790
Grimdark, to me, seems like "this is a setting where you shouldn't care about anybody because nothing good will happen to any of them and most people suck", so I don't really understand the appeal for the most part. I can sort of broadly understand "hey sometimes interesting stories are tragedies" and all that, but tragedies are often tragic because they feel like they could have been prevented. Grimdark, there IS no prevention, at most you'll get a temporary minor victory.

>>21941208
The Sword Defiant, Lands of the Firstborn #1 - Gareth Hanrahan (2023)

The Sword Defiant is, as the author says, a deconstruction of traditional fantasy. What that means for this book is that it does away with romanticized ideals and keeps most everything else. At various times throughout the book it's explicitly stated that this isn't how the story is supposed to go. How you feel about that may be the most important determinant for your enjoyment. To be clear, this isn't parody or satire, though it does have comedic moments. It's a serious and sincere attempt at providing a traditional fantasy story minus the feel-good assurances. By traditional fantasy I mean there are humans, elves, dwarves, and a host of fantastical creatures. There's an adventuring party, a dark lord, a talking sword, healing potions, magic, and a farm boy who has become a hero. It even starts in a tavern. Much of what can be expected from traditional fantasy is here, though its presentation differs.

Fifteen years ago a band of nine adventurers defeated the Dark Lord and took control of Necrad, the city that was his base of operations. That's where most stories would end, even though their lives and the world continue on. Alf is a human swordsman on the wrong side of forty-five and hasn't quite known what to do with himself ever since their victory. He's the keeper of Spellbreaker, a sentient sword that nullifies magic and was forged by one of the greatest elven smiths then empowered by the Dark Lord. It implores him to slaughter, provides comedic relief, and tells everyone what they don't want to hear. Spellbreaker is my favorite character in the book and one of the best talking weapons I've ever come across. There are also dream visions, which Alf dislikes, that have him seek out the one who gives him a prophecy, which he distrusts, of a rising evil. Thus he sets out on a new adventure to discover and defeat whatever it is that imperils the world, because at least he has a purpose again for his life. The other viewpoint character is his sister, Olva, who doesn't want to be involved, let alone have Derwyn, her son, be involved, in anything other than their life on the farm. Unfortunately for her, events transpire that force her to adventure as well, where she becomes far more involved than she could have ever imagined.

The eight other adventurers aren't faring much better, because this is their lives as they are now, and really always were, because life isn't how it goes in the songs and the stories. It's only in retrospect that can one can see the greater context of their life, and even then much remains unknown for why and how events came to pass. However, the understanding of that context may yet entirely change depending on what has yet to occur. The same can be said of this book's twists and turns that by the end seem to set the course for the trilogy, but I wouldn't be surprised if some later reveal provides an entirely different direction.

Rating: 3/5

>>21942894
whom

>>21942894
I received this eArc from Orbit through NetGalley.

I read this on January 28th. The approval email I received suggested waiting to post about it until two weeks before its release date, so I thought I may as well do that. I did consider posting immediately since I would've been the first review of the book on Goodreads. After reviews were up I asked those who wrote them whether there were any problems for them for posting right away. It didn't seem that there were, but it can be difficult to tell. Reposting to the activity feed or noting it again when it releases may be just as helpful, though I don't know how much that's done.

Is LitRPG the worst subgenre of all time?

>>21942894
your """reviews""" are SHIT
FUCK OFF

>>21942227
Portal wars saga
Mage errant
The hedge wizard
Mother of learning
Arcane ascension
Starships Mage
Mark of the fool
Chrysalis
Weirkey chronicles
Menocht loop
Unbound
Systemic Lands
Dungeon crawler carl
He who fights with monsters
12 miles below
Paranoid mage
What we do to survive
Blue mage raised by dragons
Beware of chicken
Eight
Beneath dragons eye moon
Red mage
Anything by dakota krout
Vigor mortis
I have read and dropped much much much more, but these are the main offenders.

>>21941208
is she weating a diaper? gross

Would you guys like to read my fantasy book?
Chapter 1:
https://pasteio.com/x7toHNumtseU
Chapter 2:
https://pasteio.com/xcBAKHm9qP9Q

>>21943002
>level99
The is this. Is this what litRPGS are? Like some sort of RPG session after action reports?

>>21941208
No, they were called Scientific Romance.
https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/scientific_romance

>>21943002
no

>>21943010
I'm honestly debating if I should remove the litrpg elements, but I also want to make fun of the genre with it

>>21943067
>but I also want to make fun of the genre with it
Well, then keep it, not going to work otherwise.

>>21942809
never heard of schadenfreude before?

/SFFG/ Recommendations:

Read Reverend Insanity, Lord of The Mysteries, Neuromancer, Hyperion, The Prince of Nothing

Also read The Wandering Inn, Between Two Fires, Mother of Learning, Cradle, I Shall Seal the Heavens, A Song of Ice and Fire, The Poppy War.

>>21943036
why not?
>>21943083
thank you for the encouragement!

>>21943067
You aren't making fun of it. You just aren't able accept how much you love it. There's no difference with what you've written to a sincere study.

>>21941880
Reverend Insanity

>>21942809
"Grimdark" has bee watered down so much that it now effectively means "anything bad happens at all to anyone in the story and isn't immediately undone".
So the appeal isn't tragedy, it's drama, which for some reason cannot be allowed to exist outside of tragedies nowadays. There's nothing more unappealing that spending an entire book or story arc building up to some sort of dramatic climax and then it all being undone either as a joke or a last minute deux ex machina.
It's not comedy, it's tragedy edging. Imagine the opposite, a comedy where every time there's a buildup to some sort of heartwarming or funny moment it's immediately crushed and destroyed by arbitrary tragedy. That's the REAL definition of grimdark, but it's incredibly rare compared to it's opposite.

>>21942909
Yes, but in 20 years we will fondly look back at it and rage about the next even more degenerate type of art.

reading this and its kino as hell
any other Indiana Jones-esque novels featuring the supernatural intersecting with political thrillers?

Kinda bums me out that we'll never get The Winds of Winter narrated by Roy Dotrice. Say what you will about him but I've been going through them again and his voice fits the material perfectly and I can't imagine who could take over.

>>21942894
I like meta, I'll take a look

>>21943325
When I referred to grimdark, I didn't mean "anything bad happens ever", I meant settings wherein the 'point' is that there's no real ultimate hope. The absolute most optimistic thing you can get in a grimdark setting is a small-scale victory that's temporary in nature. I just don't understand the appeal there.
>>21943102
I'm aware, but I don't really see how that's relevant. Schadenfreude is finding humour in the pain of others, usually because the pain is played out in a humourous manner or to those who deserve it. Grimdark is a miserable mess that tends to have the worst people suffering the least, so there's very little idea of catharsis to draw from it.
I'm not saying every story has to have a hopeful ending, I'm just saying that there should at least be a modicum of hope in the story, even if that hope doesn't come to pass, otherwise why should I care?

>>21943448
According to that definition reality is grimdark!
Having everything be eternally perfect forever is weird and unpleasant and makes the story not interesting. Who cares if something good happens if it was going to anyway? If everything's going to be fine why should I care about the characters?

>>21943457
anon for fuck's sake learn to actually read and comprehend the posts you're responding to

>>21941495
It was Timett son of Timett doubt you even read the books

>>21943479
no u

>>21942198
>Progression fantasy needs visuals to be tolerable.
maybe you just have that mental autistic disease that stops you from imagining stuff from what people described?

>>21943494
Fairly rapeable body for Bakkerchads with tusk cocks.

>>21943480
I brain farted since I started watching the show again but it's actually Shagga so go fuck yourself

>>21943494
That's a tranny pose to hide the cock. I bet it's bigger than yours.

>>21943522
If you want more you can just ask

>>21943505
I do have that, maybe, but that's beside the point. It doesn't stop me from reading any other books.

>>21943505
anon you like progression fantasy
you are the autism

>>21943525
I'm a thighs, hips and butt guy, I don't get excited over breast. Girls are endless frustrated that they don't just shake their breast, or rub them on me to get their way. It's guys like you that make them feel they can manipulate all men by just flashing boobs.

I think that is why trannies are so prominent over there in the states. You are so obsessed with breast because your moms never wanted to breast feed you and used bottles, that all a man has to do is put in breast implants and you guys wanna fuck them.
Here they need things that only a real woman has and they can never imitate. Birthing hips, fats asses, and thick thighs.

>>21943525
Post more for Bakker. Make a tribute for the writing god.

>>21943554

>>21943494
>>21943568

>>21943568
i love this type of vegana

>>21943568
This pleases Bakkerchads.

I hate american hours.

>>21943587
Delet this!

>>21943574
>>21943579
>>21943587
>>21943588

>>21943480
It's always hilarious when someone tries to correct someone, only to end up also being wrong.

>>21943598
She’s probably quite short, in which case many tall Bakkerchads can have their way with her. She needs to be put in a full Nelson by Bakker himself.

>>21942750
Shouldn't it be Queen Consort? Or is Camilla some kind of royalty?

>>21943438
It's not meta. It's just a different approach to traditional fantasy.

>>21943598
big jawline and big pusi, can't get any better than this

Since you're already dead set on talking about pornography, what do you guys think of Heinlein's later novels?

>>21943701
nearly as gay as bakker

>>21943536
I like a lot of stuff. Progression fantasy is just the latest one in decades long of reading.
The are fun (when you get a good author), and you don't have to put up art degree fags thinking they need to instill some meaning into the work, who then fill it with a bunch of self sacrificial shit over a girl who never fucked you, and saturday morning cartoon logic of "letting the bad guy because killing him will make you just like him" or w/e shit they use these days.

>>21943701
Based and mommypilled, he really had a thing for readhead milfs.

>>21943548
>Here they need things that only a real woman has and they can never imitate. Birthing hips, fats asses, and thick thighs.
This
Asses a thick thighs>>>>>>br*asts

>>21941439
Damn that's actually nice cover art.

> Kindle-Kunde
>1.0 out of 5 stars Bordering on sexual child abuse
>Reviewed in Germany on December 13, 2022
>Verified Purchase
>The author starts the story with fairly predictable fantasies of a young male adult. The language used is simple, the storyline uncomplicated and predictable and only serves as a frame for the pornographic content. It becomes problematic when the protagonist summons his third ‚companion‘ a young girl in the body of a humanoid cat-race. Her body is described as being 4 foot (~120cm) tall, which is the avarage size of a six year old child. Further dialoges run on the theme of sumission and the pain sexual intercourse would cause based on the immaturity of the cat-girls body. At this point - in my oppinion- the author has crossed the line far into child porography and abuse and I quit reading.
>So in addition to boring sexual scenes and even more unimaginative LitRPG-content, this book arguably contains child pornografic content.

Anyone read this? Did the author really write a lolicon book? Or do germans really feel 6 year olds are 4 feet tall?

>>21941625
well, in some part of the book in a kind of sense tolkien ensure the reader, at the very least, that the quest will have a positive ending

>>21941215
>>21941357
not sure about lowkey-ness but in at least elric, corum and erekose there's multiversla travel that's alo time travel, some in dreams as the black company anon here said

>>21943978
has AI gone too far?

>>21944042
That's because they are. Look up the stats.

>>21944115
But my nephew is 8 and is like 3 and a half feet tall. They have adult women who are 4 and a half feet tall. I think that fagget german is just protesting too much.
When society breaks, someone will be fucking his teenage female descendant for the purpose of procreation. You think they will wait till 18 like america does? Where I am age of consent is 16, he sounds like the faggot who screams pedo when someone fucks a teen. Like that karen I saw calling a 30 something a pedo because he said he likes to date 20 year olds.

>>21944199
anon, that's because you've got manlet blood
I'm 6ft my brother is 5ft11 and his wife is 6ft1, their fucking kid is a giant at 9

>>21944204
>my brother is 5ft11 and his wife is 6ft1
I personally always had a thing for short girl. I have to try midget pussy before I die.

>>21944082
Will AI start to produce SS videos by itself. Uploading them to YouTube under so many accounts that they can't take them down fast enough?

>>21944304
WTF i love AI now?!?

>>21941439
nice anon
I couldn't even find one of the sequels to pirate a few years ago

Think I've finally done it (read so many bad webnovels that I've annoyed myself into reading serious books again)

>>21942316
Lindon stirring up the Dreadgods directly results in tens of thousands of deaths. The fact that he's doing it to put an end to them permanently, and that they'd kill more people over time if they were left alone doesn't really change that.
The entire cast of Cradle are villain cliches flipped on their head. Yerin even gets comments about her path because the Skysworn normally wouldn't even consider allowing someone on a blood and swords path in, because they're almost always homicidal maniacs.

>>21944477
Yeah, I'm well aware of the idea that the majority of the main cast are "villain archetypes but actually just good people". Lindon seems like the big brute defined by boundless ambition, but he's directing that to a good cause. Yerin's a bloodthirsty fight-happy maniac, but she's kind-hearted enough to rein that it. Eithan's a sort of 2000 IQ giga-brain mastermind who sees everything, but he uses that to help people. Mercy I'm a bit less clear on (evil lady's beloved daughter, I guess, is the 'trope' she is), and Ziel doesn't fit at all because I'm like 80% sure he wasn't written to be a main cast member but he was popular enough that it just sort of happened. It breaks down a bit when you get past the initial trio.

>>21944477
In order to kill the dreadgods he basically has to kill the gods keeping the world in order, upheaving all of society. In another story he'd be the well-intentioned villain

got DAMN

>>21944497
Ziel was always going to be a main character, simply so there would be a parralel between each of them and one of the dreadgods. Ziel corresponds to the Wandering Titan, Lindon the Silent King, Yerin the Phoenix obviously, and Mercy the Dragon.
The fact that he doesn't fall into the villain archetypes I think is more so he can play the straight man complaining about how insane all the shit going on is.

>>21944523
I suppose that's fair. He's not completely divorced from the concept (wandering strong man from a broken clan hell-bent on revenge is a villain trope of sorts, though usually a more sympathetic one in comparison to the others' tropes being more usually straightforwardly villainous). Dross fits in as much as he's basically Wheatley from Portal 2.

Name a more based duo in fantasy.

>>21944543
my self-insert and mai waifu

>>21944519
I want them so bad but Sub Press runs are so limited that Malazan printings sell out in minutes.

>>21942894
>>21942907
Oh, I won an e-book of this from Goodreads a couple weeks ago. I didn't realize it was an advance copy. I think it just jumped higher up my list for that, as stupid as that is.

>>21935443
Yup, Remi being hunted/getting a bounty placed on his head by the various governments that invaded Tiqr due to his coverage of the war. Honestly, it was pretty fucking funny anda good reprieve from the mostly meh Tiqr chapters (Vol 6 btw)

Who's writing scifi that will be seen as prescient or highly influential in 20-30 years? Someone like William Gibson.

>>21943889
i agree with you as long as its not cringe western cultivation shit.

>>21944543
Legolas and Gimli
Herakles and Iolaus
Count Galoran of Peyrefixade and Brother Melchior of the Priory of the Three Kings
Kassandra the Eagle-Bearer and captain Barnabas of the Adrestia

>>21941208
Are machines capable of being people, or do we reduce it mainly to empathy? We might regard a machine a non-person, since we view non-empathic beings (such as spiders, crocodiles, snakes) as predators. You can't have a predator that feels the pain of its prey.

>>21944799
Me, desu.

>>21944877
When my sexbot waifu gets produced, she'll feel every inch of my dick.

>>21944877
I'm not convinced humans are capable of being people anymore desu

>>21941732
>>21941754
not enough scents of unwashed anuses or black alien seed being spilled by tumescent phalluses, 0/5 stars, would not read again

>>21941756
thisistheway.jpg

>>21944799
Corey I guess. The next 30 years are going to suck big, floppy diggernick, and not many people who plan to live through it want to write about it. The only guy I can think of who's really putting in the research is Alastair Reynolds, but he's a shit writer and concerns himself with a time scale where 50 years from now is basically the beginning of history.
>gibson
Was he right about anything ever?

How do you guys keep track of notable new releases?

>>21945088
easy, i don´t read new books.

>>21945088
What does "notable" mean?
Goodreads shows all current and upcoming releases of author's the user has read.
Otherwise, the sites that list out the specific genre of books you're interested in.

>>21945088
I don't read new books
I let the public sieve through them for me.

>>21945146
The Baby Bird Method

>>21945176
reading every new fantasy book the same day is released is the reddit method

>>21944543
Mocker and Bragi
Dancer and kellenvand
Fitz and nighteyes
Gabriel and GOD

>>21945176
The early bird gets the worm, but the baby bird is given the choicest of worm.

>>21945207
Are you able to restate that without using tribalistic identity politics?

>>21945247
4chan is a polis, and Reddit is a rival city state. Get used to it.

>>21944799
No one. We’re going through a period of resentful minority storytelling that isn’t popular but published because it is The Right Thing To Do, according to the editors and publishers. No true artistic progress ever comes from a place of resentment. Sci-fi is about seeking a sense of awe and wonder. That is not something that comes of resentment. Give it fifteen or twenty years and we’ll go back to merit based publication.

>>21945264
reading book bros... not like this...

>>21945269
>paying for a blue tick
The absolute state of self pubbers.

>>21945269
https://countercraft.substack.com/p/no-most-books-dont-sell-only-a-dozen

>>21945275
cope

>>21945260
That's an inaccurate analogy. It'd be a continent versus a city.
Reddit
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4chan.org
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>>21945291
If only I self published… I’d be a millionaire!!!!

>>21945294
>Global Rank 750
>49.7m visits
Too many fucking normies. When did we get overrun? The barbarians are at the gates! Rally, frogposters! To arms, incels and chuds! They can’t cancel us all! Charge!

>>21945273
That was before Musk even bought the site.

>>21945303
He started buying it in April 2022. Get your facts straight. I don’t know when the paid ticks were brought in, but it didn’t feel that recent.

>>21945300
>He doesn't realize he's the normie barbarian who invaded the site then thought he belonged there

>>21945314
He didn't complete the purchase until late October.

>>21945316
Been jacking off to /gif/ porn and gore since I was 15 or so. That was 10 years ago. How long you been here, oldfag?
*spits on ground and squints*

>>21945318
Basically since the site started and I was on SomethingAwful before that and saw when he got the idea.

>>21945322
The times, they are a-changing.
Was /lit/ always the same? Archive makes it seem more jovial and I remember seeing the first /sffg/ having similar arguments about “genre” being bad, so it seemed kinda normal.

>>21945332
At the beginning /lit/ had possibly the most tripcode users on the site. I heard that /o/ may have had more, but I never used the board. This can be seen in the archive by looking at the tripcode page. The content changes by whichever fad currently. The overall tenor has of course changed as different groups came to prominence and different boards became the most active. Most of what is now lit split off from /r9k/, as did a few other boards. That may have had the biggest culture change of any board.

>>21945269
And if those “trade” style books start popping up in the sci-fi genre, which they are, then sales will be even worse. I imagine. I mean, realistically, do they believe minorities are rushing out to buy and read these books? I doubt it. So it’s white people? But who? White women? But it’s sci-fi. How many women actually read sci-fi? Not enough to sustain minority authors or the genre. So, they expect white men to buy stories written by resentful minorities attacking them for a past they weren’t responsible for, the white men being alive today. Who is going to buy that garbage, when the point is to create a sense of awe and wonder? The purpose of sci-fi is lost. Go back to merit based publication, and I’ll buy it regardless of who wrote the book. But that’ll happen in a few decades maybe.

Any good scifi mags that aren't totally beholden to shit like >>21945264 ?

I know of Clarkesworld but I've only read a handful of stories so far.

>>21945373
that's been debunked

>>21945374
Asimov’s, Aurealis, Penumbra (weird fiction), Interzone (digital is free), and F&SF (although I think they stopped publishing)
I’ve subscribed to other smaller magazines but they turned to AI art and publishing whatever they were sent.

>>21945332
I can't remember when I first came to /lit/. I know from the archives I was the first person to mention Gregory B Sadler, and the first to make a thread about him, but that was in 2014. From what I remember it wasn't that much better than now. At least considering my own posts.

>>21945374
Clarkesworld is the largest publisher of translated Chinese SF and is committed to minorities. I guess you didn't see all the other drama either.

>>21945410
What drama?

>>21945410
They aren't just woke. They have stuff that was adapted for Love, Death, Robots that can't really be construed as woke at all. The attack helicopter story was on the nose, but it was white cis women denouncing them, of all things. That was actually funny as fuck, since sensitivity readers now are just monocultural white women telling everyone else how to write about minorities, when they control everything.

>>21945264
You are not published because you suck, anon. Not because of the "minorities".

>>21945427
*raises paw*
I'm a minority (1/4 indigenous). And you think you have the authority to keep the white man down? Two wrongs don't make a right. And I've been published cuz I look a little spicy, jefe.

>>21945427
I’m a reader, not writer. In other words, I’m the target audience they are not appealing to by making this shift.

Is there any actually well-written Fantasy? Sci-fi has Orson Scott Card and Dan Simmons, but what's the best prose (not necessarily world or story) Fantasy has to offer?

>>21945434
Mervyn Peake, probably.

>>21945434
Lovecraft, Wolfe, Anderson... the list goes on.

>>21945434
Guy Gavriel Kay. No contest, unmacthed prose. He doesn't write "high" fantasy though.

>>21945434
Jack Vance, especially his Lyonesse trilogy.

>>21945434
Dunsany

>>21945446
it's a bit overwrought and melodramatic innit? just from reading tigana. not that i mind it, but i wouldn't call exactly call it high quality
for the record, i agree with the other anon about vance. also possibly zelazny

>>21945467
I started reading this recently, I read all of the Dying Earth books so this is the second series of books I have read by Jack Vance. He is so fucking good, I was a typical sci-fi/fantasy dismisser but this shit is goes HARD

>>21945269
Who cares, even I could publish something, my sci fi and fantasy would be too politically incorrect for the publishers.

When's that poster going to come back to make tributes for Bakker? I know it wasn't her, but I need more sacrifices to make Bakker stronger.

>>21945617
That's a terrible author, anon. The books are terribly written.

>>21945641
say what you will about vance but i'd sure rather read vance than read another one of your constant belligerent nigger posts in this general

I found Bakker's list of recommend movies and novels.

Is Piers Anthony worth reading?

>>21945438
>>21945446
>>21945467
>>21945502
>>21945443
Thanks for all the recommendations!
I used to love David Gemmell when I was young but reading him again made me feel like maybe the genre just isn't for me anymore and it feels like people care more about action and world building than prose, so I'm looking forward to hopefully be proven wrong.

>>21945665
his target audience were horny teens from the 80s, if you know what you are getting into he's good. don't expect something like guy gavriel kay, hell don't even expect him to be in Margaret weis level lol

>>21945671
>>21945665
so many authors from that era have been cancelled, is he one of them yet?

>>21945676
Well, he's been called a pedophile as a result of some his later novels.

>>21945688
Sure, they were all pedophiles, but I guess he never got caught

>>21945410
>Clarkesworld is the largest publisher of translated Chinese SF
What's supposed to be wrong with this, exactly?

>>21945720
i think some burgers have a retarded conspiracy theory that it's the chinks who force wokeshit on them

>>21945728
Midwit.

>>21945734
gweilowit

>>21945658
Meds. Now.

>>21945660
Link?

>>21945641
Retard alert

>>21945826
Hacklover alert

If a series has autistic fan art, then it reigns supreme.

Poul
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>>21945822
http://www.faculty.ucr.edu/~eschwitz/SchwitzPapers/SF-MasterList-160815-byrecommender.htm

>>21945880
that first professor's recommendations made me cringe so hard i became two dimensional

>>21945880
Thanks nigga

>>21945434
Gene Wolfe (Latro trilogy, Book of the New Sun)

>>21945839
Aye.

>>21945880
>recommends his own novel

>>21945521
>innit
Yes, it maybe overwrought and uncomprehensible for soulless Brit'sh.

Just finished The Unholy Consult and I feel so empty inside bros. I dont think anything else will ever scratch the same itch.

>>21945300
KEKISTAN OUR TIME IS NOW

LETS DRIVE THOSE NORMIE SJWS INTO THE GROUND!!!

Starting the Long Price Quartet after I finish my current reads

stuff with the best sense of adventure, journey, exploration, discovery?

>>21941208
I wonder, is there anything like Fallout 1, 2, New Vegas and maybe Van Buren but in a book form?
>>21945880
Will have to take a look.

>>21946656
SJWs are Nazgûl and /sffg/ are the Riders of Rohan as well as the Fellowship

>>21946159
if fang yuan ever somehow managed to become an immortal venerable in an era before his own, such as the Medieval Antiquity, he’d probably be the shortest lived one.

Picked up the "essential" Warrior trilogy from the BattleTech franchise, bcz I enjoy MWO and want some fluff
>first 20 pages
>vomits 30 names
>"this bigoted raycis insults my Capellan mother"
>"your report said nothing about the battle I heard about"
>"he smiled like a child remembering the taste of stolen lemon"
>constantly uses 'Mech instead of mech, because original BattleMech TM
>constantly uses MechWarrior instead of spicing up with "mech pilot", because it's from original universe

recommend me a mech novel pls, because I'm not reading this crap

>>21945300
>he doesn't know that frogposters are the barbarians

>>21946961
Why do you say that? There is little difference between eras.

>>21945300
>When did we get overrun?
2007 because of Fox News

malazan
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>>21947308
Butts

>>21947308
could never manage to force myself to finish gardens of the moon

i like large barbarian women

Tell me, what do you see?

>>21947105
Mate, how much do you know about BattleTech at large? It's fiction based on a roleplaying game.

>>21947453
steel space coffin magic death ritual white people shit

>>21947453
the hugest space dildo ever

>>21947308
I started this last year because everyone was hyping it for the world building, but having this continent-spanning super expansionist empire that somehow is led by a small clique of childish cardboard cutout characters and with just small armies of normal soldiers going up against halfgods and supernatural enemies that all should wipe them out in a seconds, it all seemed so retarded.
And I know I'm reading a fantasy book and it doesnt have to be completely realistic, but there really is no explanatation whatsoever how they stand a chance against the odds

It doesnt help that the major plot point throughout half the book was that the protagonists were all protected by the gods of luck so they always escaped out of their predicaments because they were lucky.

I guess I will someday try to finish the book because I didnt hate it completely, just the basic scenario and the characters and most of the main plot lines

>>21947464
The basic stuff from surfing the nets. ComStar uniting humanity, exiles forming Clans with their dystopian iron wombs and genetic castes, the great houses, lostech etc.
I know that it all started from tabletop, but then it didn't stop GW from producing a couple of decent 40k novels.

read these three for the first time, really liked them
tombs of atuan probably the best

>>21947453
what the HECK was his problem?

>>21947677
I'm rereading A Wizard of Earthsea, I'd forgotten how good it is

>>21947677
yes
>>21947696
yes

Le Guin should have become the fantasy billionaire, not Rowling

Do coomspren appear when people have sex in Roshar?

I did it... I became a webnovel paypig. Couldn't wait a day for more Mysteries 2 chapters and bought a bunch of them

>>21947354
Same, strong female protagonists are my jam

>>21947758
it's not wrong to support writers

I am currently reading those new Alien novels that came out a few years back.
River of Pain was so boring, imagine reading half the book before someone gets facehugged.

I need something else to mix it up a bit.
Anyone know of good fantasy boxed set that will set me up for a while?
Please just paperbacks, I cannot afford anything else.

>>21947757
somebody email sanderson immediately

>>21947789
It is wrong to support Webnovel.com
Their monetization system is absurd, I need to pay for the privilege of buying more chapters early, so paying twice for one chapter. It's insane

>>21947105
Warrior trilogy is not that good, Jade Falcon Trilogy, Robert N. Charrette standalone books, Gray Death Legion and the Kerensky trilogy are better starting points for Battletech.

>>21947757
Nobody has sex in the sanderverse unlike the Jordanverse where everyone was horny.

>>21946660
Nice, that's one of my personal favorites. I hope it goes well for you.

>>21947828
But it's canon that virtually all of the new mankind in mistborn 2nd era is spook's grand grand grand grand grand grand grand children

>>21941208
Anyone got sci-fi recs with no biological beings or where humans get completely and utterly BTFO'd by machines?

>>21947828
Sanderson basically took the route that "sex probably happens between couples, just... Off-screen". Though it is weird how the most sexual anything has gotten was Hoid saying Sadeas fucked some whores.

>>21947883
I mean, there's no real need to write explicit sex scenes or even explicitly mention that this and that character banged

Ad portam rigidos calces extendit

>>21947874
Berserker by Fred Saberhagen
Galactic Center Saga
Forge of God

>>21945434
Robert E Howard

I finished mother of learning today. I enjoyed it.

The start is absolutely quite slow and feels like a slog, because it feels very "time loop" cliche. At some point it really picks up and is really fun to read. World is cool, characters are cool. Even the ending worked out well, although I admit in some places it felt a little handwavy.

Anyway it is a good fantasy book and do recommend it

>>21948120
go read jackal among snakes now

>>21948120
World is probably the best part, but given it was actually written as a "run through" of the author's setting (and for some reason he decided to do a weird complex time loop plot instead of something more simply), makes sense that's the most fleshed-out part. There's a couple parts that're just "hey look at this cool place... Anyway".

Is Michael Shea worth reading besides pic related and his Cugel stuff?

Joe Abercrombie writes like a redditor

>>21948267
And how is that?

>>21948267
I mean you are not wrong he does post on reddit from time to time
>>21948294
Le subversive old Book Bad New Book good

>>21945088
>How do you guys keep track of notable new releases?
When I was reading new stuff I was using tor's new release articles and goodreads.
A fair bit slipped past me though, I'd get to 'best of the year' lists and not recognize the titles of half the books there

Should Frankenstein have human rights?

>>21945300
I've been on here for about 15 years (jesus christ) and it was already very normie at that point.
Boards like /sp/ were a bit more anarchic then but broadly their content is similar now to then.

>>21948267
iirc there was talk that he used to post on /b/ or some similar board back in the day

What am I in for?

>>21948361
sir do not redeem

He's the coolest antagonist.

>>21941208
Are there any new or recent fantasy series from the past 3 years, 5 years, or even ten years that have been good? I try them but they're shit so I end up reading old stuff

>>21948476
who knows. at least you haven't been digging around Royal Road new releases to find something halfway decent to read... I have fallen.

https://www.royalroad.com/fictions/new-releases

>>21948476
The question isn't whether they are good. It's whether you'd ever allow to enjoy them.

>>21942894
so many red flags

>>21948486
For what?

>>21948485
*ever allow yourself

>>21945124
>Goodreads
its honestly garbage other than as a recording tool. It's hard to filter through all that garbage

>>21945467
>tfw the dad fucked the son's friend

>>21948504
It's hard to filter through a list showing the new releases of almost only the authors you've already read and liked?

>>21948476
yeah, I have 5+ I think if I limit it to brand new series only
Like just off the top of my head Adrian Selby, KJ Parker, Robert Redick, Carol Berg all have new good sequences of books in that window.
Also liked Cold Iron, The Coward and The Book of Night but haven't got around to the sequels of any of them.
The Blacktongue Thief was excellent but I still need to finish it, I think the same goes for Saint Death's Daughter but that one's fuzzier in my memory
Vita Nostra also would squeeze in the 5 year window if we only count from when it got published in english.

>>21948485
>The question isn't whether they are good. It's whether you'd ever allow to enjoy them.
one can only read cookie cuter plots with the same tropes, or books where the setting and the writing conflict so many times before being tired. Fantasy Writers used to be polymaths and knew tons of shit which reflected in their writing and makes their stuff far better reads. Nobody was actually just a writer

>>21948543
thanks I will try them out.
It would be nice if we had more people like you than passive aggressive guys like>>21948485

>>21948547
They didn't even mention a single book and you're already making up reasons to shit on it. This is why it's not worth engaging with people who come into the thread and claim that everything they don't already like is bad

>>21948547
Nice historical revisionism

>>21948554
>>21948555
>It's whether you'd ever allow to enjoy them
lmao fuck off I know exactly how you operate

why are the newer editions of the book of the new sun in this two-books-in-one format? the translation of the series to my language is just the individual four books.

>>21948554
>quality doesn't exist it's about whether you enjoy them okay
There is no argument. You conceded with that post.

>>21948568
Quality exists. It's simply that some refuse to acknowledge it for various reasons.

>>21947891
This desu
He shows the romance, the explicit sex scenes would just turn it into smut

>>21947883
And this is one of the few reasonable, good decisions Sanderson ever took. Sex scenes, saving certain rare works, are almost always coomerbait with little to no weight on the story of a fantasy/sci-fi series, and this doubles when they are awkwardly writen as it is common.

>>21948565
Pretty sure the thought process is that you'll be reading at least two at the time since they're not so much a series but separate volumes of a single novel. The same is done with Book of the Long Sun, though Book of the Short Sun only had a short-lived single volume edition but is still usually split up into one book per volume since there's three of them and that doesn't split evenly.
Bros I know Gene Wolfe books are meant to be reread but the thought that I'll never get to read BotSS again for the first time is killing me, one of the most moving experiences of my life

>>21948600
hmm, i see. is there any agreed upon best versions or is the one i posted good?

>>21941208
Is earthsea worth reading after book 1

>>21948607
The one you posted is good. I haven't read the new introduction but I've heard good things, though I'd skip it so you don't get spoiled on anything. The book is at its best when you're letting it unfold in front of you and using your own thinking to form opinions about it. Don't listen to the reddit memes about not being able to understand anything and it's ultra confusing and too high IQ for first time readers, you'll have a great experience just listening to Severian tell you about his life and figuring out for yourself what you really think about him.

>>21948631
Yeah, book 1 is basically YA compared to the where the rest of the series goes.

>>21948483
Virtuous Sons was fun.

>>21948752
cute

>>21948631
yes, all of it is worth it. every book is standalone so you can stop whenever you want

>>21948631
No everything after book 1 is shit

>snow crash
I assume it's a good read !?!??

any sci fi with unironically decently written female protagonists?

>>21948937
Does that mean she is traditionally feminine?

Thoughts on Commonwealth saga? Looking for something to fill the void The Expanse left behind.

>>21948944
i don't know honestly to what extent it actually matters. i would say "sure", but then I would be missing out on the opportunity for someone to write a woman that while domestic, simple, or "boring", would still provide a good insight to what aspects are worth experiencing. i am simply not well-versed in this, so i honestly don't know what i'm looking for.

i want to believe that an aspect of a truly well-written female character is her acknowledging her femininity and having to either overcome it, especially in male-oriented contexts, or needing to embrace it, when necessary. so again, it ultimately doesn't matter. LARPing as a male is still technically being a woman.

>>21948937
The Gap Cycle
The Serrano Legacy
Vatta's War
Confederation of Valor
most works by C.J Cherryh have female protagonists
Jenny Casey by Elizabeth Bear
Dread Empire Falls
all of these are space operas since i dont know if you are looking for "fun" scifi or the more "serious" and "literary" scifi.

What are some sci-fi novels where the protagonist is surrounded by aliens who use their powers to appear human who talk to the protagonist and are constantly manipulating him with their talk which appears innocuous but is actually very sinister and aimed at torturing him psychologically

>>21949032
Sorry if it wasn't clear
They speak in essentially coded messages

>>21949020
thanks anon. the gap cycle already looked pretty good just reading the intro. i do prefer serious sci fi.

>>21948937
Alien - Ridley Scott

Memories of Ice is the best fantasy novel I've read

>>21941538
https://youtu.be/VgTI4tnvbKA
here's a video of him not knowing how to shut the fuck up and let the better authors talk.

Huit bc ml

>>21948565
these are good quality editions.

>>21949075
Not him, but if you are a person of this site try the gap. Some things get way more traction among the people here than in the general population and I think that's one of them.

>>21949136
>tweet
God damn it. I had just reached the tipping point to read him and now I'm pushed back over the wall.

>>21949171
Must be awful to be so easily influenced by stuff other than the content of the books themselves.

>>21949168
Because of the rape and domination of women?

>>21949183
By the author himself, yes. It is.

>>21947839
Glad to hear it's considered a favorite. A friend of mine said he couldn't reccommend it enough

>>21949171
He's like every Canadian scholar ever. Being reactionary in 2020 shouldn't be that much of a turnoff. Erikson is a good dude who knows how to write the best fantasy.

>>21949171
i-is that a t-t-tweet, oh no, ohmygod please no imgoing insaneeeeeeeeeeee the west has fallen the west has fallen damn you all to heeeeelllllll

>>21949190
No, there's just a certain vibration to it. Part Cronenberg body horror, something something irredeemable, can't put my finger on it.

>>21949219
It's the author coming out as a trite follower. How does that bode well for the reader?

>>21949224
WHY ISNT ERIKSON SAYING FUCK NIGGERS AND FUCK KIKES IN ALL OF HIS INTERVIEWS?!?!? that means hes a goyslop chudpilled basedlover unlike ME WHO IS CHADPILLED TRADPILLED BASEDSIGMA

>>21949232
Exactly. That is just what the book will sound like.

>a fellow litcel will never experience reading malazan for the first time cause of an erikson facebook post
that's so sad

>>21949286
For me it's the fact that he got interviewed by Daniel Greene.

>>21949296
He has probably close to a hundred interviews/podcasts on youtube over the past 2 years. one of the reasons I went back to his books. very patient and respectful dude who's brutally honest and willing to explain anything about his books.

https://youtu.be/qkt0QZE0n9w

>>21949208
>Erikson is a good dude who knows how to write the best fantasy.
lol
lmao

>>21949208
>Canadian
okay i was willing to to stand up for him but being canadian is something i can't accept

>>21949232
He should.

>>21941208
Any love here for Kane by Karl Edward Wagner? I'm really liking this because for once we have a legit "anti hero" and not just a "reluctant hero", Kane is definitly based.

>>21949190
>rape and domination of women
i would like some rape and domination of women novels please.

>>21949190
Donaldson's books tend to be depressing and have a dark atmosphere, pretty much all of his stories are about a broken individual trying to be whole again.

Can someone explain why Shadow and Claw is recommended? So far its really boring and annoying I am half way through.

>>21949903
try it in 5 to 10 years after you have a few more books under your belt. if you don't like it, don't try to force yourself to like it or ask for explanations. doesn't matter what reasons you're given, nothing can change your mind into liking it.
i understand exactly how you feel, first time i read it felt really pointless and retarded and rambling, but at some point your tastes either mature or get satiated by the usual sff fare and they demand something else. and at that point you're able to enjoy something like wolfe

>>21949751
Based, KEW is the best.

>>21948597
It's not so much "there's no sex scenes" as "sex is almost entirely absent as a concept". I don't disagree with that either, but it makes some of his works feel very YA when they technically have a broader audience base.

>>21949916
>>21949751
kane is a literal cuckold

>>21949950
quite literally every single sff author is a cuckold

>>21949961
>quite literally every single sff author is a cuckold
Not me, I wouldn't even share my writing with other men!

>>21947758
i hope i don't do that. i don't mind paying an author, but not sure about that site.
also i'm at chapter 63 right now and i hope more tarot club stuff and familiar characters show up. it's not bad so far but nothing special either. the MC also seems to be less likeable compared to klein, who had more morals. he doesn't seem to care about his "friends" at all.

>>21949968
You're cucking yourself by doing that.

Herb Asher is a great character. I thought nothing would top the first entry of VALIS, but Divine Invasion is hilarious while also having brain-stirring moments.

>>21949961
kane is a character, not an author

Is Bakker ever coming back brehs?
I want more rape aliens and laser spears...

>>21950100
His brother said he's spending time with family, and last time I heard Scott in an interview, he said he's busy raising his daughters. Probably coming back as soon as they're grown up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob40tEMF6os

>>21950105
>raising his daughters
Bakker, how could this happen!

>>21950105
I sure hope one of them doesn't end up in a brothel only to bear his children 20 years later.

They don't make cover art like they used to.

>>21950105
>>21950106
>>21950108
I can only imagine that he raises them to be strong, independent and sexually liberated sex workers.

>>21950240
Brittany is going to go ham on him, girl.

>>21950249
who

>>21950256
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exDVJXYEFSM
The plot was so underwhelming and not compelling whatsoever.

>>21950258
this is to be expected but how clueless can you be about women to keep pestering one to read and review this book? to even recommend it to a woman?

>>21950265
>how clueless can you be
They tend to look like this, anon.

>i love my bf!
>but there's this other guy!
>who am I? what am I??
>omg what do I do with my life??????
>murders 300 soldiers for no reason cause she's angry and confused
peak woman moment

>>21950258
no woman would ever enjoy these books, this much is obvious

>>21949296
He will interview anyone. He has interviews with people who average sub-1000 view videos on YouTube. If you make content about Malazan he will interview you.

>>21950278
yikes

New thread boys
>>21950333

>>21949924
Yea theres barely any mention of sex in stormlight other than Shallan making dirty jokes. I did notice In oathbringer he writes a short kaladin flashback of him having a fling with a chick so people don't think he's a virgin lol