/lit/ - Literature

>>21923195
It isn't. Quite a lot of historical developments in the past year alone will be the subject of scholarly analysis for centuries.
Also this thread barely counts as /lit/

>>21923195
Matthew Goodwin's book about National Populism (it's published by Pelican so it's not a chudtastic book by any standard) is as close as you're going to get to real answers behind the recent issues western liberal democracies are facing without having to venture to the dark side of the moon.

>>21923195
So is the Last Man the boomer, who sold the future for his own gain or something?

>>21923195
only a retard would believe that civilization is on some kind of unstoppable linear progression
and you'd have to be an even bigger retard to believe that progression ends with some kind of permanent equilibrium where we all enjoy a perfect consensus about how things should be
and you'd have to be even more retarded than that to see the massive advances being made by anti-democratic, anti-liberal societies going on right now and still refuse to abandon your ridiculous beliefs

>>21923297
Based and red-pilled.

>>21923297
Liberal states will only ever become stronger as demographics all over the west are shifting fast and hard in their favour. Liberalism won't go anywhere. It is here to stay and rule.

>>21923297
>the massive advances being made by anti-democratic, anti-liberal societies going on right now
Such a ridiculous and completely false comment.

>>21923195
I mostly think Fukuyama is right (sadly) but does anyone else find it unsettling that he's written a series of articles called "Valuing the Deep State"?

https://www.americanpurpose.com/blog/fukuyama/valuing-the-deep-state-part-i/

>>21923195
I ignore end of history type of bullshit.

Yeah the bureaucrats allow voting and protesting because it's sterile in democracies. And the bourgeois didn't even put an end to monarchies through voting, but only by killing the two biggest kings in europe, ie france and russia, and scaring other the little kings.

There is zero chance that voting will replace democracies or fix anything, which is why the bourgeois make voting legal and hype it like the holiest and biggest revolutionary act the peasants can do in democracy.

The bigger picture is that Atheism has no substance. What you heard about republics, democracy, humanism was just made up on the fly by the revolutionaries to sell to the peasants the idea of the bourgeois revolution against the kings. It's the same revolutionaries who made up ecology.
Democracies, republics and humanism are just an ad, a commercial. Democracies are based on a protestation against monarchies. There is nothing else behind them. democracies are not about giving power to peasants.
And since now kings have accepted losing power, the DNA of democracies that is protestation is compromised. Democracies should not even exist today, there a no king and yet democrats are still in power. Well they are because they know that the peasants love the idea of protestation. So the big idea of the democrats is to make democracies the enemy. This way the democrats are both idolized and vilified by the peasants. It's the democrats who decide what topic will be vilified and what topic will be idolized. Its the democrats who decide when protestation will occur and under what form. This way whatever the peasants think about, it will be about democrats, not kings of other form of society.
Ecology is just one hose narrative framework where the peasants can protest while the democrats do nothing about it. Reminder that freedom of speech is a death warrant. The more peasants babble about democrats, the less they will escape the democrats.
The advantage of wokism and ecology over marxism is that even though they were both made up by the democrats, marxism changed the rules too much, ie rules about money. democrats live for money power and sex addiction. They love this shit. You can think of ecology or wokism as an impotent marxism, ie wokism and ecology are ''marxism even more compatible with democracy, ie running a business''.
All the stuff you heard about ESG and CO2 pollution and metrics of pollution (ie CO2 equivalents) are completely manufactured, unorganic, opaque and became a business in itself.

>>21923409

>How do they justify this with regulators?
They claim it's a risk that has to be calculated into the interest rates.
The reasoning is typically shit like
>look at this area that was devastated by a flood
>that only happened because of climate change
>companies who aren't environmentally friendly are exposing us to this risk
>so therefore, they should pay to compensate for it
right now the E is used as a trojan horse for the S and G. the latter two do not have much of an impact for now, but you can be sure it will be basically exclusively the S once this system has been properly established.

>>21923195
Transhumanism or end of humanity via some cosmic natural disaster would be the end of history, not muh neolib state.

>>21923412
And even then, only end of "human" history in case of transhumanism.

>>21923387
china is rapidly edging out the US as the most powerful country in the world. their policy of aggressive investment in the third world will undoubtedly continue to spread their values and influence on a massive scale
the taliban won the war in afghanistan and are now prospering
italy is now run by a de facto fascist administration with overwhelming popular support
japan has never ceased to be a de facto fascist country
liberal democracy is FAILING

Every futurologist or speculative evolutionist is a retarded positivist
Heres what will happen 100%:
>Divide between elite and everyone else grows as they use gene editing to increase their intelligence and increase their lifespan and anything else you can imagine
>They further oppress the rest through increasing limiting of rights and privacy, to prevent any and all violence (terrorism) that could threaten their power
>This will escalate to a point where the average person is a slave in all but name
>Eventually some tyrant will come along who gets rid of other elite make himself the sole ruler of humanity
>He will then genetically engineer people to be more slave like (this is where homo sapiens end)

I suspect we have already gradually become more and more slave like since we first started living in societies

>>21923426
If you could achieve biological immortality then why even bother lording over a mass of slaves. Boring.
I would fuck off and do my own thing, or rather, fund space tech and other things because we can't stay on Earth forever. And in that regard you are better uplifting the rest of population.

>>21923420
If Japan and Italy are fascist countries (who both happen to be pro-NATO and pro-American supremacy) then that's a very sad indictment of 21st century fascism and proves, if anything, Fukuyama completely right. Fascism is clearly de-fanged and sublated by liberal democracy.

>>21923378
Cope. West coast is hell. Need 200k to feel remotely comfortable. And even then it sucks. Not like you can afford a 6500 square foot house on 10 acres there for short of 50 million. Not even remotely possible to live as higher class there. Literally could have been had for under a million in the northeast less than 3 years ago. Im not putting my intellect to work and getting nothing in return. Kek, look up good homes for sale in San Diego, San Franscisco, and LA. All exorbitantly expensive that a lifetime of work and investing won't get you. No point of doing anything out here other than filing for disability and living with your parents forever. All the smart people don't work.

>>21923195
is this book actually worth reading?

>>21923438

Japan is mono-party state, with extreme corporate and goverment collusion and ethno-nationalist rhetoric. Also zero social safety net (for useless eaters). I don't get how it doesn't get more fascist. Its corporatist dystopia (or utopia), Alexander Kojeve when he outlined "the end of history" , he mentioned Japan as the model already in 1959, during his visit there.

>>21923448

Nah read Kojeve instead, speciffically lectures on the phenomenology of spirit. Fukuyama is a deep state plant and a breaindead libtard. Kojeve was a based Stalinist that created the European Union.

>>21923445
Nobody said anything about it being comfortable or enjoyable for the average subject of these states. Only that the demographic shift will completely neuter the tiny pockets of anti-liberal resistance that are still around. Like when natives internalized liberal ideology to the point of being the most aggressively anti-chud demographic group, what chance do nativist chuds have, really?

Come on AI. Sweep in and save us from this demiurge trump time line. We ought to keep the thread within the next 30 years instead of talking space travel because it’s still sci-fi in 2023 maybe in 2123.

>>21923438
they're just biding their time. japan has obvious incentives to kowtow to the US and won't stop until the benefits of doing so are outweighed by the benefits of leaving their subservient position
similarly, italy has to retain a front of "respectability" for the time being. i wouldn't be surprised if Meloni dropped the facade within the next few years

>>21923195
I said it in previous Fukuyama thread and I will keep saying it again

I have no interest in listening to Fuckuyama or his defenders if they are not willing to talk about the demographics and decline of white population. White people are the only ones capable of maintaining democracy. once white people become minority in their own countries the non whites will use the system against them and that will be the end of democracy.

>>21923501
Democracy means the rule of the people. It never had anything to do with keeping the demographic makeup of the demos constant. If immigrants replace whites, then they are the new demos, simple as that.

Lol

>>21923503
Yeah I'm sure the west will still be liberal when population gets replaced by sub 90 IQ Africans

>>21923515
Well, we might have to adjust our outdated and racist views about what being liberal means in the future, then.

>>21923515
if democracy is government of the people, and the people want a less liberal, less democratic society, then isn't it the obligation of a democratic government to give them that? if a man runs in a democratic election for head of state on a platform of abolishing democracy, and he gets fairly elected, then should he not fulfill his campaign promise?

>>21923526
We call it democracy when people vote for what the elites want, and we call it populism when people vote for what the elites don't like. Know the difference between the two, anon.

>>21923391
>Deep State
I wish he didn't dignify this sick conspiracy theory.

>>21923437
how is it boring?
you can engineer yourself to have incredible stamine where you cum literal buckets 5 times a day. You can fuck, rape, make love to, any type of slave you want.
If it ever gets repetitive you erase the previous experiences from your memory.

>id do space travel
you can do both.

>you need to uplift the rest of the population
why? you can create a few slaves who are hyper intelligent yet extremely submissive/fearful of you to solve space-travel problems. If you dont want to do it yourself with your own hyper intelligence. You can even send clones of yourselves to distant galaxies to populate it.


Its the ultimate endgame. I think that person will rename themselves "God". In many ways were already incredibly slavish. Look at how many laws and rules we have. Compare that to 300 years ago where most rules were more elastic and depended on nearby social factors

There families that are part of the elite now we how for centuries been elites.

>>21923524
So is sharia law a part of liberal democracy then?

>>21923526
The democratic government isn't obliged to do anything, they are just supposed to give people the illusion of choice. Democracy always ends in a mob rule.

>>21923544
>"conspiracy theory"
They are not even hiding it anymore, look how they openly admitted they "saved" the 2020 election

>>21923526
>if democracy is government of the people
its not and its never been that way

I wonder what Fukuyama thinks of Sam Francis and his idea of anarcho-tyranny

>>21923378
>more niggers good
retard

>>21923391
Secretive, spy-ran defense states are the antithesis of democratic society

Read Why Liberalism Failed. Liberal societies impose upon themselves a race to the bottom because liberalism is about expansion of liberty and has no backstop or end goal. Every other form of government historically has been austerity focused because that's how normal humans operate. The post-enlightenment liberals were fart huffers.

>>21923402
This, nothing ever happens

>>21923195
Do you need help? Have you sought out help if so? People that don't need help don't get it.
>Im doing everything Im supposed to, why am I not getting extra
The extra is to help people do what they are supposed to. Not to get you ahead some how. That would be a bad business model, and governments are businesses. Not saying its the way things should or shouldn't be. Im just saying thats how it is.
>But I should be rewarded for doing what Im supposed to.
You are in the governments eyes. You are given the privilege to come here and bitch about how you don't receive enough credit for being a good goy. Again, thats just how it is.

>>21923986
>People that don't need help don't get it.
Should be "people that don't seek help don't get it" obviously there are ways to game the system to get shit you don't need but in order to game the system you need to show up to play.

>>21923195
The bottom 50% owns just 3% of wealth in the US. The top 1% now owns 15 times the wealth of the bottom half and has more wealth than the 9 percentiles behind them.

The top 0.1% also eclipsed the rest of the 1% recently.

Just think about the combination today if high inflation but falling real wages and record corporate profits (top 500 US companies have profits over a third higher than the 70s-90s). In a real inflationary enviornment companies earn less and profits tank because prices are squeezing them. Here we are just seeing that the temporary supply crunch caused by the pandemic solved oligopoly firms' collective action problem of raising prices (no one wants to be first because consumes switch, but if they all raise prices they win).

Like 85% of US meat is processed by four firms. Average grocery carts have 65% of value feeding into five conglomerates. You're seeing what happens when inequality gets high enough to erode rule of law and the rules of the game get changed such that having more lets you get even more.

There is a reason you will go to jail for not having a tax stamp on a gun an inch too long but some upstate Wall Street heir got probation for four aggravated rapes of minors not that long ago.

>>21923858
The Hegelian state has purpose.

>>21923549
At the end of the day I just wouldn't want to deal with people beyond aiding each other in cosmic survival.
Beyond that I would just fuck off and live as a superhuman hermit.

>>21923195
Why would you read this guy and care when Spengler is clearly vindicated?

>>21923195
It is. You were just on the wrong side of it.

>>21923534
All of these threads are the same but this poster brings up a very interesting perspective that few people are talking about. When you observe the youth around the world, it's obvious that they hold completely contradictory views. Liberal democracy and capitalism have made them very progressive, consumerist, narcissistic, entitled, etc but at the same time they vehemently criticize the same system that created them. They complain about artificiality whilst devouring mass media and celebrity news, they cry about capitalism while they willingly pay 100k in college debt for their fancy degrees which they ardently advocate for, they whine about their governments while singing progressive slogans invented by the state and its proxy NGOs and corporations.

On a surface-level reading, this supports Fukuyama's beliefs. Everything appears chaotic today but really all of this criticism serves to reinforce Liberalism. That's what being "woke" or "conservative" ultimately amounts to nowadays. But what if it's leading to something else? What if the dialectic isn't complete? Right now the youth have these contradictory views of economic socialism and social liberalism -- what if they end up combining? The ideal state for the leftists of today is clearly not something like the USSR or China. It's something closer to Cuba. Imagine Cuba but with Netflix, K-pop, pride parades and fast food. That's what most young people really desire. They absolutely support liberal values and the foundations of liberal rule of law, but they're also scornful against liberal governments for their inequalities and stagnation. Liberalism will probably never fade away in modern history but it might morph and synthesize with other systems. It sounds ridiculous but after observing the youth and the orientation of leftists for many years that's pretty much what they want. And once they become the leaders by 2040, they might advocate for it.

>>21924894
The same revolutionary impulse as the likes of Robespierre but Democracy has over generations made them helpless.

>>21923455
If you scrubbed all of the communist symbols and literature, modern China, Taiwan, Korea, and Japan all appear more or less the same. The actual method and tendencies don’t differ at all.

>>21924483
>muh wrong side of history
Pea brain

>>21924938
America is the same as all of them too. Literally the only real difference is the ideological curtain. That's the only purpose of Liberalism. America has just as much "totalitarian" power as China but Liberalism conceals it with a gigantic propaganda system revolving around freedom and democracy. Places like China are up-front about it and value authority using a socialist ideology. America lets corporations and individuals have autonomy but it still controls all of them. They're on a leash in America whereas in China they're in cages, but the masters all have the same degree of power at the end of the day. This is what 99% of people don't understand about liberal democracy

he said end of history would be boring, there would be no culture or art, it would be like a museum. Anyways everyone should read kojeve instead of fukuyama, fukuyama just stole his thesis from kojeve

The perfect political system doesn't exist. They are all adaptations to the ethnic composition of the people that inhabit it.

>>21923195
Isn't that what Fukuyuma partially predicted? People demand struggle and conflict, and if a liberal democratic world stifled those two, then they will seek it through self-destruction and rebellion against the government. People forget the last part of the title, "the Last Man", who will emerge dissatisfied with the end of history and will reject it.

>>21923409
You’re one of the most recognizable posters on /lit/. Too bad people on both sides don’t want to hear that progress and democracy are just rationalizations and moralizations of burgher-bourgeois power grabs. Really funny despite Marx laying out the bourgeois origins of democracy very clearly for the lefties and most right-wingers glossing over historical regicides and splitting off into national-populist and business-conservative factions both of which are revolutionary in historical context. You into stuff like the trifunctional hypothesis or de Jouvenal?

>>21924962
Sayyid Qutb was right, we need a total rejection of state authority as something fundamentally satanic.

Ironically he gets labeled a "totalitarian" by state media.

Bump

>>21923195
It's not. Fukuyama's assertion was myopic and emblematic of the post cold war optimism that was quickly revealed to be illusory

>>21925046
I disagree with the idea that there is no longer struggle and conflict in a liberal democratic world. The discontent against the system is a result of tensions that are caused by its inherent contradictions, such as wealth inequality, pursuit of endless growth, and so on. Liberalism is an inadequate solution for those demanding justice, fairness, and dignity, implying that liberalism is not the end solution to creating a human societal system that maximizes these principles.

The end of history is not a peaceful state where all conflicts are resolved but a violent state where all conflicts are simulated.

>>21924966
fukuyuma is easier to read though

This book represents the hubris of West when USSR collapsed. This was going to be the American Century, instead we are looking at significant irrelevance by 2025.

>>21926553
well that's just simply a delusional perspective, doomer

>>21926553
maybe this really is the American Century

>>21926373
no, its going to be peaceful.
Its just that peace isnt automatically a good thing despite what everyone always assumes everywhere

its going to be one powerful individual suppressing everyone else. There will never be a conflict because they are all powerful and to oppose them is entirely useless

>>21926553
Wasn't the 20th century the American Century? Why are you americans so greedy as to want two centuries to be your century?

>>21923195
what is wrong exactly? you're a subject in a functioning society.

>>21928690
>functioning society
If you mean a low trust society where young people have no future

>>21928705
It really is something else how much westerners take their society for granted

>>21928729
It’s entire economic structure is in the verge of re-serfing everyone

>>21928739
two more weeks

>>21928775
Shut up faggot, the entire US economy is already oligopolized and controlled by the financial industry

>>21928729
Yeah, we should be real grateful to live in a decaying crime ridden shithole where housing is unaffordable and you can fall into 6 figure debt for getting sick

>>21928862
It could be improved but it could also be a whole lot worse, and the west still has it unbelievably better than most of the world AND history. Tired of this ridiculous propaganda saying otherwise. You should be grateful you can get an education, have easy access to information, food, water, shelter, a vote, etc. At the very least.

>>21928729
The only reason we have a society is because we also have standards. Stick to your shithole and don't give out advice.

>>21929025
>muh vote

>>21929035
based propagandoor. Voting means nothing, having a voice means nothing democracy bad yes!

>>21923195
>peace dividend
>turns out the Cold War never ended in absence of a Nuremberg 2 for the Soviets and Red Chinese
Naivete, nescience, and consoomer cooms. The only selection pressure for the so called 'elite' strata and its circulation is commercial, kakistocratic oligarchy goading anarcho-tyrranical ochlocracy is the consequence which remains superficially distinguished from ComIntern depredations and social organization. In essense: the Nuremberg Regime is the Siamese Twin of the Baby Boomer generation, and the latter's senescence will take the former down with it into the dregs of world history We're in a holding pattern unless and until virtuous application of lawful force against a panopoly of vice and criminality can be practiced again, you know history as such The current contendings are for the terms and conditions for space exploration and exploitation. That cannot be achieved while looking over our shoulders at geopolitical rivals.

>>21929038

>>21929025
>Fluoride brain boomer actually believes that people in the third world don't have fresh water or internet
Lmfao. You're an idiot and a domesticated house nigger.

>>21923378
California is a nearly failed state, look at the migration flows in the US, they're leaving ur progressive paradise for some reason

demographics? so Chicago and Atlanta are a model for the future successful city?

libs are driven by pure narrative delusion, which is why they need to publish cope books to pat themselves on the back like OP's pic related. 'Wisdom of crowds' is one of the most unsubtle and worse of these self-satisfied, hugbox books, that deflect all blame in a 'how could we have known we just do what we're told!' way while supporting establishment licentiousness because they mean oh so well and are oh so smart for watching tv news and oh so moral for being conspicuously virtuous for their friends

these people don't live in reality, and their opinion is worth nothing since its contrived from a preferred narrative

>>21923378
Why do they keep talking about how they want to drastically lower everyone's standard of living and force them to eat bugs all the time?

>>21929025
>the west still has it unbelievably better than most of the world AND history
I think that most of the world and history would regard state sponsored campaigns to castrate children as a worse situation than what they had.

>>21930130
Most people never even had the option of being castrated before puberty or giving their children meth so they didn't have to raise them. For millions of years humanity was forced to live meaningful lives in close knit communities where everyone knew everyone their actions had consequences, and that's a terrible thing. Go to sleep anon.

>>21928729
It's not for granted. Main argument against society as it stands now is that it's unable to replicate itself. And this is not strictly speaking a ''Western'' thing, it's becoming a global thing.

>>21929025
I hope you're trolling.

>>21923426
Good analysis. Although I suspect that at some point the slave class will be radically culled to reduce its population. Yes, the elites will need a few slaves around for the few jobs they can't automate, but not literally billions of semi-retarded consoomers. I suspect that at some point the elites will use some medical pretence (*cough* vaccines *cough*) to reduce the population of serfs by 90% or so. Maybe sooner rather than later, based on recent events... I mean, we're already at a point where the average retard is so dumb that they will obey literally anything their TV tells them. They could probably do it tomorrow and the vast majority of lemmings would meekly fall into line.

>>21923544
Weak bait.