/lit/ - Literature

>>21898895
Jesus/Christ never had boundless compassion. He was a narcissistic Jew just like the rest of them during that time period.
In fact, Jesus represents false compassion, cuckholding, obsession with the human form, duplicity, rabble-rousing, etc. The Holy Spirit is a malevolent force of pure destruction where not a single good thing has ever originated.
Only the Buddha represents infinite compassion if people stick to the precepts and Eighfold Path closely. The Buddha is liberation for ALL sentient beings.
I will go a step forward and say there is no such thing as a sentient Abrahamist (Christian, Muslim, or Jew), so removing them from existence is an act of compassion. Burn all Abrahamic holy sites and literature and put the heads of their priests on pikes.

>>21898895
>Now, suppose that Christ suddenly realized that there was no God,
>realized
Sorry buddy that's the wrong word. Your entire post is a mask for satan.
>>21898917
>narcissistic
Please list your favorite narcissists who washed people's feet pre-Christ. I am so excited.

>>21898928
If you can’t put your faith aside even for a second only to make an intelectual exercise you must not be that sure of yourself. Probably more attached to dogma and ritual than to actual faith.

>>21899001
The scenario is nonsense because it requires one to imagine a world in which God realizes that God does not exist.

>>21898895
If there was no resurrection, then the cross would be meaningless. He would not have done it if there was nothing redeemable in man.

>>21898895
You're not thinking in portals. The flesh is an animal and it burns away when you die.
Your question implies the very conditioned materialistic dogma about what "you" are that Christ challenges. Christians that imagine a heaven with physical vegetarian lions are also conditioned by materialism.

>>21899034
The scenario implies someone who actually believes he is God that eventually realizes he isn’t God or his son.

Imagine this scenario: someone believes with all the fibers of his being that he is God or part of God and that there is an afterlife, and that he has the secret to it. But imagine that suddenly this deeply held world vision suddenly evaporates. The question: will this person shows the same love, tolerance, compassion and infinite affection for all humans knowing that there isn’t a God or an afterlife?

Also, the idea of Jesus as God himself was a formulation of latter church fathers, and is not accepted by all Christian’s.

Jesus couldn't come yo a conclusion that there is no God since Jesus is God. God is the Holy Trinity, and Jesus is a part of it. In his core, he is the same as the Holy Father and Holy Spirit. They are inseparable. Your view of Jesus is as 8f Jesus is a human, like me and you, but no. Jedus is God. When God visited Abraham in the form of three beings (Holy Trinity), one of those beings was Jesus. Jesus is the Logos, the word. The Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit are one God in Christianity.

>>21898895
I think, in your scenario, starting out as a believer complicates the issue
Let's say that God as a hypothetical Christian would understand them, doesn't exist.

What is the reason to do anything?
I think the answer, for people who choose to be a part of the endless drama of life, it would boil down to "because you like it". If you took away even their capacity for enjoyment, then there'd be no difference between this hypothetical person and a dead man. On the other hand, if presented with a hypothetical machine that produces immortality and infinite pleasure and hurts no one else, this person would have no reason to not do it.

I think in a way, many people follow this latter type of thinking. But replace the machine with any number of mechanisms that people use to achieve such pleasures. Food, wine, sex as it always has been.

Jesus refused Satan's temptation by rebuking him with these words
>It is written, “‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”
I interpret this to mean, it's not enough to fill our physical needs for pleasure. Our spiritual bread is meaning. Where else are you supposed to get meaning, in a creation with no God? So even in a world without God, we would feel the need to invent Him in order to create meaning. This is blasphemous, but I am willing to even put my faith on the line to talk with you.

>>21899466
I don’t think your Faith is on the line, my friend.

>>21898895
>One of the most touching aspects of Christ is that he forgave everyone

That's not touching, that's psychotic and suicidal. Clearly this was a man who had suffered some kind of psychosis, as evidenced by the deeply unhealthy urge to 'love everyone'. Generally, this is seen as equally unhealthy as hating everyone

>>21899490
Ah yes, the wisdom of the crowd and the earth is so good. We shouldn't try to see the world in a radical way that allows for people to reconcile with the creator. We should be like everyone else so the message won't bother them too much and we can whisper to them comforting thoughts all the way to hell.

>>21899593
Considering the effects this has had on humanity, not just in the form of religion but also the ideologies that are clearly inspired from Christianity (Marxism), I find this post deeply ironic

>>21899607
I'd like to hear your perspective on this.

I'm worried that you're conflating true religion (which is reconciliation of man to God) to mankind's terrible habit of externalizing its fear of death. Or further, mankind's desire to create false gods by making idols of government in order to achieve a mockery of heaven by realizing "utopia".

It's possible I don't have all the information about Marxism. I was under the impression that it sought to shift the power from government to the working class in an attempt to solve class warfare. And that Marxist systems abolish religion.

>>21898895
>still maintain the same boundless compassion and love for humanity
It's called Buddhism and was historically at one point the religion of half the planet

>>21899466
>even in a world without God, we would feel the need to invent Him in order to create meaning.
And if that is so reflexive, how do you know you are not in the world you just described?

>>21899713
>And if that is so reflexive, how do you know you are not in the world you just described?

The simple honest answer: I don't. Faith is subjective, yet I would also assert that there's nothing a human experiences in which it grasps the full reality, and so all of experience has at least a tinge of subjectivity. When you are free to do and think as you please, you may accept whatever constraints and parameters you deem necessary. There are many experiences we have where we don't worry about the mechanisms and operate on leaps of logic. That doesn't make my faith correct, but it comforts me that it could be.

This isn't a revelation for me, I have just tried to be honest with myself about the implications of the various hypotheses and whether I will accept them. Meaningful life (with your choice of God), or death. I'm not sure what other honest archetype lenses the world can be viewed with, which may be a lack of thought on my part. I would argue that Christianity is the correct choice, but I'm sure many feel otherwise.

>>21898917
> Jesus represents false compassion, cuckholding, obsession with the human form, duplicity, rabble-rousing, etc.
> The Buddha is liberation for ALL sentient beings.
>Burn all Abrahamic holy sites and literature and put the heads of their priests on pikes.
he holds all three of these beliefs simultaneously