/lit/ - Literature

>>21889692
>Tanakh and Christcuck Bible are two separate texts

>>21889692
the Bible, easily, especially Revelation

>>21889705
The New Testament is written in poor Greek. If God wrote the New Testament, then He should have written like Callimachus.

>>21889692
Upanishads

>>21889692
Apocalypse alone mogs the rest of your pic related.

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>>21889692
Bhagavad Gita is pretty kino, but nothing beats The Bible.

>>21889808
post excerpts

Which is more anime? The Bible or the Mahabharata?

>>21889957
Good if you enjoyed Pindar.

>>21889692
>wait 'til AI starts its own religion

>>21889731
prove it

>>21889692
Quran because it rhymes

>>21889692
>In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
All your /lit/ idols have never penned anything that even comes close to Genesis.

>>21890236
that’s the first verse of the gospel according to John you absolute swine

>>21890240
Whatever, it's based as fuck.

Tripitaka or Baghavad Gita easy. The Bible has nice pros but… only around 5 percent of it is applicable. I reckon ancestral or cultural attachment accounts for most of the Bible thumpers here.

>>21889692
1. Holy Bible (including deuterocanon)
2. Bhagavad Gita and Ashtavakra Gita
Haven't read anything else yet.

>>21889692
The Gita or Upanishads if you're an UpaniChad

>>21890236
>>21890244
christ isn't sending his best

>>21889966
Marahababadataba obviously. It's like a Bollywood movie made sacred text.

>>21890244
Not sure if good bait or genuinely retarded

>>21890465
>Marahababadataba obviously. It's like a Bollywood movie made sacred text.
Is that the one where gods have power levels, and one god is like 10 thousand, then the next is has like two hundred thousand and can only kill those of lower level like the ten thousand, then the next one has million who can kill the previous one with a special hammer etc.

>>21889692
The Gita is cool but it's like putting Ecclesiastes on there. It's only a single section of the Mahabharata.

>>21889988
Is this text from the version cover you posted prior? Looks good, if so I'll get that one.

>>21889692

>>21890739
Pretend I provided whichever answer makes you less likely to actually read it.

>>21891562
This is what you bring to /lit/? Braindead nu-atheist facebook memes?

>>21889692
Tanakh is the same as Old Testament, you should include the Talmud for uniquely Jewish texts.
Or be based and just jump to the Zohar.

>>21891581

Always insults never rebuttals

>>21891608
There's no argument or statement to rebutt.

>>21891619

Keep telling yourself that.

>>21889692
The Qur'an (AKA THE WORD OF GOD)

Bible for literary qualities and pedagree
Quran for improving on the New Testament and making it consistent with the old
Guru Granth for iconoclastic doctrine that combines Sufism with Bhakti (ironic it would be literally worshipped by Sikhs later)
Writings of Baha’u’llah (provisional translations only, official are badly translated and biased) for being the most sensible contender for a successor to Islam, stick with his mystical writings if you just want more Sufi texts but don’t buy him being a prophet (the rest of his writings are just reforms of Muslim law and telling off random rulers of his time)
Urantia book for best to put you to sleep, somehow makes Alien gods seem boring. The Book of Mormon also has this distinction, but slightly more entertaining once you get over the bad fake KJV language
Gathas are good, on level of Bhagavad Gita, Upanishads and Buddhist texts as being heady and moral.
rest of the Avesta and Vedas are mostly just nature worship hymns, maybe it’s my monotheistic bias but seems monotonous after a while

>>21891558
It is, make sure you buy the actual three volume Rig Veda not the little companion volume by the same translator.

>>21892127
>rest of the Avesta and Vedas are mostly just nature worship hymns, maybe it’s my monotheistic bias but seems monotonous after a while
Yeah, once you attaint the unity all these polytheistic works seem dull and boring. It's not wonder it's popular between those that reject their religion in the West like Christians/Jews/Muslims and embrace paganism-like stuff.

>>21889692
Only the Bhagavad Gita and Buddhist Tripataka are to be respected on that list. I would burn all of the cultural history and "legacies" of the rest.
The rest are paths for icchantika.

>>21890236
Doesn't even make sense.

>>21889705
Have you read the Bible in the original Hebrew and Greek? If not, STFU.

Sanskrit and biblical hebrew are very strange written languages.

Both map a sound as a visual representation of its torroidal form

>>21892509
https://www.goldenmean.info/dnaring/

The Quran is roughly the same length as the New Testament but not many Christians would want to memorize the entire New Testament whereas many Muslims dearly want to memorize the entire Quran, and do

>>21892543
This is a myth. Ask any muslim that claims this to recite any random page of the quran and they will be unable to do so

>>21892543
How much of the quran is just repeating the same damn story

>>21892543
The Quran lends itself to memorization in ways the the Bible doesn’t.
That being said the only parts of it that I would consider Lino are the descriptions of hell.

>>21892543
If my country banned music and movies, and there was a guy outside my house shouting the Quran into a loudspeaker 5 times a day, I would memorize it without even trying.

>>21892624
Epic poetry was once recited entirely from memory. Homer's works were passed down in oral form generations before they were written down. Why should it be impossible to memorise the Quran?

>>21892624
This is blatantly false, in Muslim majority countries they even have stuff like spelling bees, but instead it's tests of Quran memorization where the judges will ask for random passages and the child recites it from memory, or they ask really specific stuff like "the third surah which mentions marital law, what is its 20th ayah?" Those who memorize the entire Quran are called hafiz and highly respsected. Obviously not everyone can or does do it, but it's defintely widespread enough of a practice that I can only assume you're trying to call a bluff that doesn't exist.

All that being said, the tripfag's comparison is unfair and petty. Recitation of the Quran is easier than that of the NT because it has an almost melodic quality to it. It was literally designed for oral recitation. The NT on the other hand is raw prose in "low" Greek, and most of it is literally just letters Paul wrote to congregations about what they should and shouldn't be doing.

>>21889731
Well it does say that rich people will scorn it more than the poor, same reason the vulgate isn’t Cicero

>>21892127
>Vedas are mostly just nature worship hymns

>>21890228
Seminarians who just read the Bible constantly get filtered by the Greeks TM and even the Church Fathers

>>21892472
yes, I did

>>21892658
>and there was a guy outside my house shouting the Quran into a loudspeaker 5 times a day
Just remind yourself, when you see anti-Islam posts on this board, on what level these people are

>>21892658
A heathen mess such as yourself is beneath the lowest form of poetry, let alone divine oration.
Enjoy your goyslop, I sincerely hope you choke on it

>>21892802
>>21892816
Why are you angry? I didn't even insult the Quran. Isn't it true that some mosques have a guy with a loudspeaker reciting verses at prayer times?
I've memorized commercials by hearing them 5 times a day too, so it just doesn't seem hard. I've memorized songs in languages I don't even know, so I could probably memorize a few short surahs.

Missing the Gnostic texts. You get some extremely wild shit there.

Like, Genesis is part of the tradition, but then it is revealed that the Yahweh is actually an imperfect lesser aeon who was conceived of when Sophia, Wisdom, tried to fathom God, the Entirety, directly instead of through God's Forethought, the Barbelō, which reflects God into the Aeons.

All the Aeons are balanced by their antipodes in the Pleroma, the realm of eternal being, but Yahweh, who is actually the demiurge Yaldaboath, created our material world.

Souls are bits of the Pleroma trapped in material. Christ comes, with Sophia, to wake souls up to this.

Yaldaboath gets jealous of Adam and Eve's light and attempts to get it. Yaldabady doesn't know he actually isn't God. So he gang rapes Eve with his Archons, basically angels.

Eve gets pregnant from this and gives birth to Cain, the progenitor of mindless humans who follow only instinct and desire.

Cain kills Able, but Seth, the third son starts the line of humans with Spirit (the sons of Able have only psyche).

Then Norea, the daughter of Noah, fights with Yaldaboath and the Archons, who flood the Earth. I forget why, but she lights Noah's first Ark on fire. Then they try to gang rape her but she uses her esoteric knowledge of the Ogdoad to go into occultation.

Christ gave Eve the Fruit of Knowledge in the Garden also.

IDK, there is a LOT of other shit going on. Judas is the most beloved of the Apostles because he attainted Gnosis and realized the need to free Christ from its material body so that the Aeon could remain in our world but not of it.

The Gnostic texts conflict because "Gnostic" is a label like "Protestant," which covers Anglicans to Baptists to Mormons. Gnostics are even more diverse. But there is like 600 pages of these, much longer than the NT, and that's with them being hunted to extinction and us only having access to many within the last few decades.

>>21892903
The esoteric system the Gnostics developed lived on after them and went on to shape all sorts of Western esoterica, particularly Kabbalah (there were Jewish Gnostics too).

Principles of Hermeticism and Neoplatonism are readily apparent in the texts, as well as some precursor symbolism for alchemy.

>>21892846
>Isn't it true that some mosques have a guy with a loudspeaker reciting verses at prayer times?
A call to prayer is not a verse from the Quran. It's always the same short recitation, which is repeated five times a day. It in no way helps people learn the Quran, which takes dedication and not passive listening of the call to prayer 5 times a day.

>>21889692
Probably the Lotus or Heart Sutra or some other sermon from the Buddhist canon, seeing how unfortunately popular these are with the artsy pseudo-intellectual California types.

The New Testament is mostly just a bunch of letters written in a very vernacular everyday Greek, so that pretty much excludes it. I'd also exclude the Quran too, becasue it's generally seen pretty negatively and the translations tend to be awkward and wooden.

>>21892985
>I'd also exclude the Quran too, because it's unpopular and I don't count its original and intended language.
Seems quite unfair.

>>21892985
>seeing how unfortunately popular these are with the artsy pseudo-intellectual California types.
This can have worse impact than you image. It’s completely turned me off of Rumi and Rilke.

>>21893025
This is the most incomprehensible beta behaviour imaginable.

>>21893044
The bibble and koorun are both filthy. Give me big daddy Kaballah, thank you, sir.

>>21893049
Agreed.

>>21892624
It’s not, someone who has memorized the entire Quran leads the taraweeh prayers at most mosques, and over Ramadan the entire Quran is recited by the leader of the prayer during the process, 1/30 every night. If they make a minor error someone will correct them from the congregants (as is part of the religion).

>>21892626
The Quran rarely repeats the same story unless it is in very short reference and pointing out another facet not already mentioned. By contrast the New Testament has four gospels

>>21892698
My point is entirely fair since it wasn’t a crack at Christians but a point about the literary quality of the Quran in a thread about the literary quality of holy books. You just supported my point

>>21892658
I don’t think any Muslim country band music and movies except perhaps Afghanistan. Not that there is anything wrong with that, looking at the masses with their Netflix and hiphop, memorizing a holy book would be far better for them. I personally do not watch movies or listen to any music except Gregorian chant

>>21893044
It’s not material I was particularly interested in beforehand, but the association took it from indifference to distaste.

>>21889731
God didn't write the new testament. Not even the auhotrs of the new testament ever called it Scriptures. Only the "old" testament is Scriptures. This is proven by later MAJOR interpolations added to the new testament
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_and_the_woman_taken_in_adultery

>>21891562
Someone who actually did that in modern times
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMwugu28VQc

He sold everything he had and went to be separate from the world. His family went against him of course like many do because of biblical beliefs (no more Christimas, no more Easter, keeping the Shabbat, allowing polygeny). He has everything in common with other Israelites. God blessed him as you can see and kept His word, he is the leader of many communities and is building things as God ordered (see Jeremiah 29:5 for example). He actual follows the entire Bible, and he also does healing miracles whether you believe in it or not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m32Wi3ajRXg

>no contemporaneous outside source corroborates these claims
The same orthodox jews today who say Jesus is boiling in feces also say Jesus used magic and God's name to perform miracles. They say this is in the Talmud.

>>21892127
>Quran for improving on the New Testament and making it consistent with the old
A false prophet could never write anything consistent with the Tanakh, case in point Muhammad was a false prophet
https://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Saifullah/sverses.htm

It also makes gross mistakes
https://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Menj/sister_of_aaron.htm

>>21893025
Well I guess we have to ask what makes something kino? I guess there are certain culturally defined standards and if a work of lit meets those criteria then it's accepted. Well, the Quran just doesn't fit in very well with Western ideas about what makes good literature or aesthetics. I'm not saying that's a bad thing. It just is what it is.

>>21893025
It's pretty horrifying how butchered, delibertely mistranslated and sanitized Rumi is. As a pretty traditional Muslim he was always around and then you read him in translation and he's completely different.

>>21893071
> Not that there is anything wrong with that, looking at the masses with their Netflix and hiphop, memorizing a holy book would be far better for them.
Comments like these are why people don't like Muslims. Decades of warring with new atheists online and you've become just like them with that arrogant superiority complex, or in this case inferiority complex.

>>21892509
>Both map a sound as a visual representation of its torroidal form
What do you mean? You mean the sounds of the letters have an image that correspond to their orthography? I heard a scientist tested that with Hebrew and got positive results. It's also written in the Torah that God spoke the words and they were visible in the sky.

>>21892543
Which version of the Quran are you talking about though?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6Zc67FrpWU
https://www.answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/quran_compilation.html

>>21892802
>Just remind yourself, when you see anti-Islam posts on this board, on what level these people are
On the level of ex-muslim since they're the ones who make the best posts since they know Islam and the plague it is

>>21889692
Plotinus' Enneads

>>21892698
>in Muslim majority countries they even have stuff like spelling bees, but instead it's tests of Quran memorization where the judges will ask for random passages and the child recites it from memory
Do they ask the child to remember the uglier parts of it too?

>>21892903
Except you can't put them in the same category because 1) they have no unity. Each one is just like 1-30 pages. 2) there's no religion that follows and venerates all these texts the way the bible and the others are. These were found less than 100 years ago these are postcards from a bygone era. They are not the basis of all muh western esotericism. Grow up conspiracy kid.

Our God is a loving God. He would not build a prison for us where you have to sing AAAAAEEEEEEOOOOOIIIII to ascend to the seventh sphere of whatever. Thousand aeons meningestroeth deedle deedle queep I have read this my brother. But this is not the God that Jesus proclaimed this is just a sad outlook on life and the joys within it. How could you look at a beautiful sunrise and say 'oh that damn demiurge'? Don't let these things be taken from you.

>>21893160
The prophets in the Quran are typically despised for the message they bring, even Jesus عليه السلام is reviled by his people. I dislike poison and goyslop and I am not ashamed of that

>>21893173
The qiraat are all the same length, they just use different vowel notation, each based on a traditional recitation from the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم memorized by rote and passed down orally.

>>21892846
Yes it is true, the muslims are usual are lying/doing taqyyia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudspeakers_in_mosques

It's not just a call for prayer, they also blast (pun intended) sermons

>>21893173
I dislike this channel, they act as though they've discovered massive (or even on any scale meaningful) differences in meaning amongst Qur'an printings but it always comes down to a slightly different vowel elongation here or there. None of it creates a noticeable meaning in the text's meaning, and they haven't convinced me that any of it can't simply be the result of modern printing mistakes.

>>21893189
>posts hadith
Wow, the other anon was right about implying that the people in anti-Islam threads are truly the most ignorant, knuckle-dragging folks on this board.
You don't even know the simplest things about Islam.

>>21893191
Unbased and definitely not AAAAAEEEEEEOOOOOIIIII-pilled. Stay imprisoned, hylic.

>>21893160
>It's pretty horrifying how butchered, delibertely mistranslated and sanitized Rumi is. As a pretty traditional Muslim he was always around and then you read him in translation and he's completely different.
I’m sure you’re true. I know it’s bad of me to dismiss artists and thinkers based on who I associate them with, but man, years ago Rumi was big with the most obnoxious people I’ve ever met. Same with Rille and Blake. All three leave a bad taste in my mouth. It’s probably because of the butchering that he became popular with those kinds of people.

>>21893200
>links wikipedia
>not even wikipedia supports his claim
Or do you not know the difference between a sermon and a scriptural verse? Your ignorance is actually causing me physical pain, anon. It is fine to remain silent on topics you know nothing about.

>>21893191
They hated him because he spoke the truth.

No but in all honesty, this is the best refutation of Gnosticism I've seen to date. I always disliked them but you explained my exact disdain for them so well in the second paragraph

>>21893120
grayons.jpg

>>21893193
>they just use different vowel notation
And the words are different because of that, thus different qurans
https://www.answering-islam.org/Green/seven.htm

>each based on a traditional recitation from the Prophet memorized by rote and passed down orally.
That is evidently not the case since there were different versions at the time of uthman, hence why he had all of the manuscripts he could find burned
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8UjosL9Gk8

There are also evidence from the times of muhammad himself showing the standard muslim claims are completely false
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWMI220bqPs

>>21893201
>they act as though they've discovered massive (or even on any scale meaningful) differences in meaning amongst Qur'an printings but it always comes down to a slightly different vowel elongation here or there.
You know that is not true, it alters the meaning itself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcoMB8nJWmw

You cannot hide behind lies anymore, the muslim world now has access to the internet and they will watch those videos entirely, they will realize they have been lied to and this is what there is a growing number of apostasy in the Islamic world

>>21893241
NTA, Gnosticism is really interesting to me and it's probably what sparked my interest in religion (both academically and personally/spiritually). But he's absolutely right, and anyone thinking Gnosticism is true or even represents a unified school of thought is simply poorly informed about the topic. I'm not a Christian either, but there's a damn good reason the orthodoxy we're familiar with became firmly established, and it's because it actually sought to unify the believers in Christ and determine the most likely/agreeable doctrines. Gnostic "doctrine" is basically a catch-all term for the many varieties of schizobabble that got discarded by the mainstream catholic ("universal") movement because they were unironically no better than "citation? it was revealed to me in a dream."
That's a bit harsh, and there is some really moving and intriguing material in there, but it was always very fringe and none of it was reconcilable with other texts.

>>21893210
>posts hadith
>Wow, the other anon was right about implying that the people in anti-Islam threads are truly the most ignorant, knuckle-dragging folks on this board.
>You don't even know the simplest things about Islam.
https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/z10y44/hotd_100_muhammad_puts_grandson_in_lap_and_starts/

Al-Hakim, Al-Mustadrak 4791, 4820. Both classed sahih by al-Hakim and confirmed by al-Dhahabi. Musnad Ahmad 16848. Classed sahih by al-Arna’ut and Hamzah al-Zayn.

See also al-Bukhari, Al-Adab al-Mufrad 1183. Classed hasan by al-Albani and al-Arna’ut.

Also, your false prophet recommended female genital mutilation, something that has no basis on the Bible or anywhere really

>>21889692
Literally? The Quran. Perfect verse and impeccable prose from start to finish hypothetically, the words of God. Obviously in Arabic so if you want something more universal then the Old and New Testaments, which the Quran relies on for continuity. If you have a varied lexicon then I’m sure there is kino to be found in all holy books, that’s why they’re still around

>>21893262
>>21893275
>just watch a few hours of our youtube channel, and leave a like and subscribe :)
Argue the logic yourself, you drone. If I wanted to debate those two then I would reach out to them directly. Tell me exactly what you find so convincing.

>>21893299
I'm glad to see the Muslim posters on here are getting a taste of their own medicine.
I hope he calls you a dog and tells you that he doesn't owe you anything.

>>21893292
Yes, retard, it's a hadith. It is not part of the Quran and nobody memorizes the hadith collections. I'm not addressing whatever perverse lines of thought you're trying to follow by bringing up this one in particular, because this is a schizophrenic derailment of the orginal discussion which was about Quranic recitation. You think the hadith are part of the Quran, which makes you an embarassing ingoramus.

>>21893262
They have different words sure as a result of that, but that’s also based on limited but multiple traditions we see as all correct, we see each reading as originating from the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم and revealed, thus the Quran is a multidimensional work in terms of its meanings because the voice of
Allah, unlike ours, can speak that way

An example


Verse 1:4

ملك يوم الدين

Master of Doomsday

ملك can be head either Maalik (owner or master as in of a slave) or Malik (king). Maalik is the active participle of Malaka which is why Allah can be said to be owner of something not yet occurred while making sense grammatically. Owner is the preferred pronunciation because while king is a greater title for men, owner is the greater title for Allah here since it suggests owning reality itself. However the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم recited it both ways. This Sahih Hadith relates to the king reading

>Allah will take the whole earth and will roll up the heaven in His right hand and then will say, “I am King. Where are the kings of the earth?”

And in 40:16 of the Quran

>the day they sally forth, and naught of theirs is hidden from God. 'Whose is' the Kingdom today?' 'God's, the One, the Omnipotent.’
Arberry translation

The kasra (a dash under the last letter here كِ indicating a genitive declension) is ishba meaning pronounced long rather than short as usual, possibly because the next word begins with ي (y or long e).

Qurtubi says “Malik” being a noun describes Allah’s essence, “Maalik” being verbal describes His energies

يوم means day, here it refers not to a solar day but to a cosmic day which is described elsewhere as 50,000 years long

دين doom (older English sense of judgement like doomsday book original meaning of Doomsday as judgement day), using Arberry’s translation, is the word for judgement, debt, reckoning, and accounting and religion. When a Muslim says “the Deen” he means Islam. Therefore in Arabic judgement in court is innately connected to religion, this is partially why Qutb saw secularism as a religion because a system of law is part of religion, it’s a Deen.

Regarding Uthman رضي الله عنه the Quran was originally revealed in multiple Arabic dialects, yes. ‘Uthman رضي الله عنه reduced it to one, the Quraysh dialect. Why did he do this? Because Islam expanding through empire into non-Arab lands (remember no one outside Arabia spoke Arabic then), and people who were learning the Quran were picking up some parts in one dialect and others in another leading to recitations being a mixture of multiple dialects and confused converts thinking they learned something wrong etc. So ‘Uthman رضي الله عنه decided only the Qurayshi dialectic of Arabic would be used for Quran

>>21893292
Hadith is not the Quran, you don’t have to be Muslim to realize citing Reddit’s ex-muslim sub exposes you for a retard

>>21893262
>>21893312
Jesus, if your gonna do your Muslim vs anti-Muslim debate thing just get a room already and stop clogging up this thread with your apologetics.

>>21893341
Most of my post is directly about the Quran in detail, and is really the only textual post in this whole thread except for a screenshot of a page

>>21893341
Nobody can look at the OP and say this wasn't where it was going to inevitably go. At least let the "youtube scholars" get btfo by people who actually read.

I'm surprised /lit/ hasn't produced it's own extended commentary on the Old and New Testament. I'd love to see their take on Lot's daughters fucking their senile old father so they can have babies. How the hell did religion become so uptight? What the hell happened over the last three centuries?

>>21893561
The story is probably invented to make a disgraceful origin of the Moabites, not meant to glorify that sort of behavior, although we do have a similar tale in Ovid where Myrrha has sec with her father while he’s drunk and is impregnated with Adonis. However her agony in Ovid and hesitancy is a lot more accentuated and she determines to kill herself rather than seduce her father until, well, you know the story

https://quran.com/al-ala

https://quran.com/2

>>21892467
Filtered

>>21890429
>Ashtavakra Gita
this is it for me.

>>21893307
Muslims follow the hadith

>>21893312
>They have different words sure as a result of that, but that’s also based on limited but multiple traditions we see as all correct, we see each reading as originating from the Prophet
If that were the case they would not have burned all the other manuscripts

>>21893234
>not even wikipedia supports his claim
>Or do you not know the difference between a sermon and a scriptural verse?
I said sermon in case you can't read

>Regarding Uthman رضي الله عنه the Quran was originally revealed in multiple Arabic dialects, yes. ‘Uthman رضي الله عنه reduced it to one, the Quraysh dialect. Why did he do this? Because Islam expanding through empire into non-Arab lands (remember no one outside Arabia spoke Arabic then), and people who were learning the Quran were picking up some parts in one dialect and others in another leading to recitations being a mixture of multiple dialects and confused converts thinking they learned something wrong etc. So ‘Uthman رضي الله عنه decided only the Qurayshi dialectic of Arabic would be used for Quran
If that were the case there would be no need to BURN the manuscripts since all the differences were merely dialect ones and all correct anyway according to YOU. He evidently did that because the readings were different and he didn't want them to be seen.

Even then, where are the copies uthman sent to the provinces? No one can find them to this day.

In addition, there are different Qurans TODAY. Why would there be any differences if uthman standardized the vocalization? For example in Surah 2:10, some versions say they lied, others say they were lied to. There are consonantal differences such as in surah 2:132. Again. Watch this video for the versions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcoMB8nJWmw

>>21894719
He رضي الله عنه burned them because he proscribed them. A lot of Arabian Muslims did not support his decision proscribing them since they were all recited by the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم who said the Qur’an was revealed in seven dialects. If ‘Uthman رضي الله عنه didn’t make an active effort to stamp out any dialect of Quran other than Quraysh—his own dialect but he justified his choice by pointing out it was the Prophet’s صلى الله عليه وسلم native dialect —then they would definitely have persisted.

>>21889692
the one that relates to the only One and True Religion

>>21894719
>>21894770
>In addition, there are different Qurans TODAY.

You are conflating different qiraat with different dialects. ‘Uthman رضي الله عنه banned the Quran from being recited in any dialect but Quraysh but the various qiraat were permitted by him and obviously had to be since harakat didn’t exist yet. I have addressed this الحمدلله before in the first part the post.
>>21893312

>>21889692
Dao De Jing if it counts as one

>>21893286
It makes for cool "Biblically accurate angel anime" though.

>>21894719
>Muslims follow the hadith
And??? This statement has nothing to do with the discussion of hafiz, and Quranic recitation from memory in general.
I would accuse you of deflecting, but I think you are genuinely incapable of mentally following the conversation, though this is partly because you do not even know what the words "Quran" and "hadith" mean.

>>21893561
It makes my peepee hard.

There's my contribution, make sure to add it to the exegesis compilation.

>>21893262
What is the most significant difference between these Quranic versions? Like what is the most damning example of these truly being effectively different texts? Bring your best to the table.