/lit/ - Literature

Sneed

>>21889712

/SFFG/ Recommendations:

Read Reverend Insanity, Lord of The Mysteries, Neuromancer, Hyperion, The Prince of Nothing

Also read The Wandering Inn, Between Two Fires, Mother of Learning, Cradle, I Shall Seal the Heavens, A Song of Ice and Fire, The Poppy War.

What are some fantasy books with unreliable narrators?

>>21889783
The Lies of Locke Lamora

>>21889712
damn when he said he'd guarantee a FPBP he wasn't lying

>>21889783
wouldnt any answer to this be a semi-spoiler?

Several days ago I requested books with cunny in it, and I got recommended the "Mother of Learning" series. I quickly read the first one and am on to the second (I read it a bit slowly, only around two hours a night) but have greatly enjoyed it. However, I have a request and a question
Firstly, give me more books like this one, please.
Secondly, there has not been any cunny in this, and the most is a non-lewded younger sister. I was hoping, and expecting, more.
Thank you still to the anon who recommended it. It is very enjoyable goyslop.

>>21889888
>tfw no comfy funnypilled fantasy books
It hurts bros

>>21889913
It really does hurt

>>21889712
the post that saved /sffg/

So what were these two niggas doing in the east?

>>21890044
spreading the gospel

>>21890044
Opium, mostly

>>21889888
The more elaborate cute and funny authors always come across as too pretentious to write fantasy (other than paranormal elements). Fantasy erotica writers do like 14-18 year old girls, though.

>>21889888
I could rec a short story about a loli in a castle but it's SFW and not at all what you want.

>>21889700
Sell me on the Cradle series. I read sffg for the worldbuilding. What makes its world special?

>>21890097
The world building is mostly surface level, and the book's selling point is its characters, and watching their growth.
The main character comes across as a very likeable guy. Managing to balance the humble nice guy act, with the ambitious pragmatist act. So you root for his success within a world where he's severely disadvantaged starting off. Seeing his step by step growth provides a sense of satisfaction.

The plots are kind of cliche, but still well executed. there's good suspense, drama, and humor. It's attempts at greater world building is perhaps its weakest parts. Whenever it tries to flesh out the world at large, I kind of tune out. And the only reason I understand the larger world now, is because I reread the series, and forced myself to pay attention. But who knows, maybe with your love of worldbuilding, you might find those parts interesting.

Read it or don't. I don't care.

>>21890097
High magic setting, everyone is a wizard
The rulers seem like badass gods but they're actually small fry
Minor details that seem insigificant in book 1 in a podunk town in the middle of nowhere actually have galaxy-wide consequences

>>21889913
you have japanese media for that

>>21890127
I guess that’s the real important part of the story, though not my autistic obsession. I don’t much care for progression fiction though, too litrpg for me.
>>21890134
>Galaxy-wide
What’s the scale of it exactly?

read worm

>>21890155
>I don’t much care for progression fiction though, too litrpg for me.
Fair enough. Though I will say, that as far as progression fiction goes, Cradle does a good job at avoiding sounding too gamey. Unlike LitRPG, where they are content with their gamey nature and often wear it on their sleeves. Cradle plays everything completely straight. You're fully immersed into a fantasy world, that just happens to have tiers of power that people can ascend to.

>>21889888
The Story of the Vivian Girls, in What Is Known as the Realms of the Unreal, of the Glandeco-Angelinian War Storm, Caused by the Child Slave Rebellion

>>21890155
>What’s the scale of it exactly?
Hard to say because each iteration seems to be anything from a pocket dimension to a planet to a universe in of itself and the high level stuff is at the level of a group of godlike beings that protect the entire multiverse

>>21889888
kys

>>21890059
>Fantasy erotica writers
Whats this now? Something new to add to my 4TB erotica library?

>>21890151
Well we HAD asstr but that didnt end well...

>>21890176
Good stuffs. How natural do the tiers feel? Like, if there are concrete divisions, is it set purely by some governing body? I like it selling it straight, but I’d still hate to see a magic system claim it has objective lines at arbitrary points. It feels like claiming there is an objective intrinsic line between ‘rich’ and ‘poor;’ I can level up to rich tier with exactly 4 more dollars!
>>21890184
What is an iteration?

>>21890059
>fantasy erotica
>I want to fuck children
I want to fuck monsters, not kids. How do they get it wrong that hard?

>>21890301
I want to go monstee hunting with mt 14yo apprentice

Caught up with Stormlight last weekend and wondering what series to start next. I was thinking of The Wheel of Time or Malazan. Thoughts?

>>21890272
>I’d still hate to see a magic system claim it has objective lines at arbitrary points.
There's no point system. But it is sold straight. Like the beginning level is called copper, Then there's iron and jade. Then the mythical gold, which is considered godly. It's never stated exactly how much "madra"(spiritual energy) a character needs to cultivate to advance to the next level. You're just told that each level is exponentially more powerful than the last. An iron can easily flick away 10 coppers. And a jade can flick away 10 irons. Characters train hard as hell to reach each milestone. There are also different methodologies to advance. It's not always about cultivating raw power. Certain rituals are involved, tests, and honors that need to be achieved.

>I can level up to rich tier with exactly 4 more dollars!
There are ways for the rich to advance quickly in this world. As there are ways to stuff a person with madra, if you have the resources. But like I said, raw madra isn't everything. So even the rich need to train their minds and bodies to advance.

>What is an iteration?
Iterations are like universes.(perhaps, not a *whole* universe, it's kind of vague) Worlds that carry life. Each iteration is different. But all are structured by "the way". An all encompassing power that gives order. The godlike protectors the other anon mentioned, maintain the way, and create more iterations for more life to flourish. But at times, it's required for them to destroy an iteration. So they essentially have the power to create, guide, and destroy whole worlds

This aspect is actually the least interesting part, I mentioned before, and takes up only like 5% of the material. So I wouldn't recommend the book based on all this outer world stuff. You have to be in it for the adventure, first and foremost. 95% of the material is dedicated to one planet, within on iteration. That planet's name being "Cradle"

>>21890364
The Wheel of Time is better.

Did we ever get an answer to why Bayaz needs so much money, or, as I suspect, it's all about ultimately having more power and control?

>>21890425
Someone literally named a greedy moneygrubber after Bayes?

>>21890425
abercrombie just hates jews.

I need a good fantasy series that uses the trope of The Hero's Journey. No need to be too stringent about it, but the overall structure should be the same.
Some teenaged berk should be the hero. He goes from being some useless brat who wants to keep to an ordinary, boring life, but gets pulled into an adventure and comes out of it a Hero.

>>21890438
Then I can't read his works. I'm a philosemite. I won't read any author who has unfavorable views of that great race of men.

>>21890440
A Man of his Word by Dave Duncan

>>21890364
Wheel of time is shorter, if you read all the Malazan stuff it's like 20 books now.
I like them both but prefer Malazan. Malazan is much broader than WoT, with a larger roster of characters. It's apparently harder to read though.

>>21890502
>Wheel of time is shorter

>>21890364
Malazan is a step towards some of the greatest highs that fantasy has to offer.

This was great. Reading Deathmask now.

>>21890440

>>21890605
the thrid book better start with "Master" and have 7 syllables or its irredeemably trash

>>21890364
WoT is basically just more Stormlight while Malazan is more of an ongoing literary experiment that is all over the place.

>>21890603
Why do I know that author's name? Is it Thief: the Novel?

>>21890539
Is it? I've only seen people be divided on Malazan.

>>21889712
this reminds me it's been a while since I visited /tv/. Years, maybe.

I'm getting old man

>>21890523
He said all the Malazan books, so he's not wrong

>last book you read
mistborn 2-4
>current book you are reading
fellowship of the ring
>next book you plan to read
lotr 2 I guess

>>21890610
Title of the third bok is Master of the Fallen

>>21890658
Yeah. Opinions are divided because people can't get past the first book which isn't as well written as the rest. Which is true, but it's not a bad book or anything People will also drop it for fragility and/or autistic reasons.
>I don't understand what's going on!
This is a feature, not a bug.
>There's too much rape!
There is admittedly a lot of rape.

>>21890847
>mfw Children of the Dead Seed

Posting only sff ones
>last book you read
Light Chaser - Peter Hamilton
>>current book you are reading
Phenomena - Douglas Phillips
>next book you plan to read
Probably Shards of Earth - Adrian Tchaikovsky

Okay anons. I see your clamoring and I'm here to bring it back, so we'll get it started.

POST THE
>last book you read
>current book you're reading
>next book you plan to read

>>21890158
Print Worm.

>>21890893
>last book you read
Wandering Inn
>current book you're reading
Wandering Inn
>next book you plan to read
Wandering Inn

>actually caring about fantasy "lore"

I dont understand this and I will never understand

>>21890961
It is part of the world building, it's hard to do world building without history and lore for the setting. Like God's, wars, historical characters, magic and previous races etc.

>caring about things I don't care about

I dont understand this and I will never understand

I want to read something that's like these reddit images
1/3

I'm reposting my question from a couple lf threads ago: looking for modern fantasy with the same wistful tone as Dunsany? I want something slow, where the prose, tone, and atmosphere are the focus, rather than plot and characters. I haven't been able to find anything from the 21st century that scratches that itch. Need something, no matter how obscure, neckbeard hipsters of /sffg/

>>21891016
2/3

>>21891022

>>21891019
>Dunsany
Don't know who that is but if you want a good book with good prose try Empire of the Vampire.

>>21891016
There was a thread on teegee a couple of weeks ago that ended with

https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2023/87927878/thumbs/1678756144153726.png

>>21891069
Interdasting

>>21890656
>Why do I know that author's name?
He's a Youtuber.

>>21890272
>What is an iteration?
Iterations are basically different universes, though largely each Iteration is 'focused' on a singular planet. Every other Will Wight book takes place on another Iteration (except maybe Last Horizon I'm unclear on that as of yet) but it doesn't matter. There's some connective background stuff but there isn't a grand scale overarching plot, it's just sort of connective tissue between them. Cradle has the most overt focus on this multiversal stuff and even then it's mostly just "Cradle and also some others that only exist for setpieces".

NK Jemisin beat me at being the first fantasy author to become a MacArthur Fellow, but I will be the first fantasy author to be inaugurated into the Library of America.

>>21891144
>I will be the first fantasy author to be inaugurated into the Library of America.
anon...

>>21891169
FUCK

>>21891170
You could be the first fantasy author to win a Nobel prize

>>21891065
>>Dunsany
>Don't know who that is
The state of this general.

>>21891144
Jemisin doesn't count as everything she puts out is mediocre as fuck and she only succeeds because she's a loud-mouthed black woman. The Fifth Season was offensively bad.

I'm looking for military sci fi series focused on ground combat, preferably with both sides being human. I'm sick of bug wars and I'm not a fan of space battle faggotry.

>>21890189
kiss your sister? Don't mind if I do!
>>21890064
Well I don't expect it to be actual smut, but I figured a bit of cute loli lewdness would be nice!
>>21890182
I will check that very strangely titled book out, thanks.

>>21891220
>I will check that very strangely titled book out, thanks.
You don't know about Henry Darger?

>>21891232
Doesn't ring a bell, no.

>>21891065
Jesus Christ. I hate these shitty threads so much.

Mysteries bros, I'm not feeling it with the second book... Lumian is an okay protag but I simply miss Klein too much...

>>21891019
>Dunsany
literally who

>>21891386
Practically every sequel protagonist tends to either just not be as good, or they need a while to really come into their own. You're also remembering the former protagonist as they were at their best, whereas you're experiencing the current one in the formative moments.

>>21891417
Lord Dunsany

He's like if Tom Bombadil and Arthur Machen had a baby, and Yeats acted as the midwife and performed an ancient druidic ritual that bonded it with a guardian fae that grants it dreams of antediluvian Ireland

>>21891421
I guess you're right. I can't expect lumian to be equal to klein

>>21891467
Haven't actually read LOTM, though, so I can't comment anyway. As a sort of comparison, if you were to look at roughly the same point in Klein's story, did you like Klein all that much as a character? Or did he take a while to grow on you?

>>21891386
I like Lumian as a person, but you can't deny he's not nearly as interesting as Klein, maybe his backstory will fix that.
Honestly Klein himself is one of the reasons Lumian isn't as interesting, because we already know who and what he is a lot of Lumian's situation isn't nearly as mysterious as it could be. Like imagine if this was the first book and you had no fucking idea what was happening or who Fors or Aurore were. Or conversely imagine reading the first book after finishing an entire story where the MC was the Celestial Worthy of Blessings.

Honestly it's not just a Lumian problem, how exactly is anything going to be mysterious when Klein literally turned over every random stone in the entire universe and pieced together the answer to literally every possible mystery from the beginning of time. Either CoI is just going to be the Aliens of the series and go full fuck you action movie with no focus on the plot, or there's going to have to be additional shit added into the setting we have no knowledge of, which I literally can't imagine.

>>21891181
Youre part of the problem if you bought her books. Just avoid books written by women.

>>21891475
>>21891467
Comparing the two it's obvious what the problem is. Objectively Lumian's situation is WAY WAY WAY more complex, dangerous, and interesting than Kleins was, yet subjectively it actually seems LESS interesting because we've seen so much shit. In the first book just descriptions of Klein buying bread were weird and surreal because of the alien setting, and random encounters with street toughs or his landlord were life threatening dangers, but now Lumian dealing with eldritch gods from the cosmos doesn't seem that impressive, which is hilarious.

>>21890218
>Whats this now? Something new to add to my 4TB erotica library?
Eh, there is plenty of longish fantasy stuff on storiesonline, I am sure you know the site if you have 4tb worth of erotica.

>>21890221
>Well we HAD asstr but that didnt end well...
Asstr org is back up, at least.

>>21890338
>I want to go monstee hunting with mt 14yo apprentice
Sounds fun. I quite like the mentor/disciple dynamic, somewhere between father/daughter or big brother/little sister and strict teacher.

>>21891501
I don't like Lumian's personality (neither I liked Anderson that much), but it fits the way of the Hunter so I'm thorn at that

>>21891425
>performed an ancient druidic ritual that bonded it with a guardian fae that grants it dreams of antediluvian Ireland
Dunsany was of anglo irish stock and was a staunch unionist

>>21891607
I was just referring to his membership in the modernist/symbolist/occultist milieu in fin de siecle Ireland. You can have a range of reactions to your "folk" heritage and its relation to modern politics.

First Law and Age of Madness are kino. In the first one, Glotka's voice is so unlike any I've read, and it fits the world well. Orso in the latter is also a joy to read, his ups, his downs, compared to the first trilogy this is a far more interesting crown prince.

There are two things, however, in the way Abercrombie writes that really tick me off. First, how he titles each chapter and then the chapter is so obviously matching and about the exact thing the title is, creating a kind of artificial atmosphere at times. Wish he used numbered chapters instead of titles. The second is how every character arc consummate around their specific saying, also creating a kind of artifice that stands out. Then again, both of these do work at times, but at others they are so noticeable you're almost pulled out of the setting itself, lifting the fiction dream.

>>21891656
Every writer has some flaws. You have to be realistic about these things.

Has anyone read this?

>>21891526
>Asstr org is back up, at least.
Oh nice, thanks for letting me know.

>>21891747
Saw it on a shelf in barnes and nobles, so i assumed iy was bad.

>>21889888
Enjoy.

>>21891827
Lewis Carrol was not a pedo, that’s a claim made up by cynics who cannot stand that he wrote interesting children’s books.

>>21891901
Lame, would be cooler if he was.

any video game / litrpg set in Space? i read Way of the Shaman and liked it for a fantasy World of Warcraft-like setting, now i'm looking for something like EVE Online in outer space

Has anyone here read orv? I need to know whether im allowed to like it or not.

>>21891949
>orv
What is this

>>21891915
Path of Ascension has a sci-fi sort of setting, though it leans more sci-fantasy in how things actually function.

>>21892016
>Path of Ascension
Cuckshit

>>21892025
By... Literally what definition?

>>21892046
are you blind

>>21892074
Answer the question.

>>21892087
Answer the question.

>>21892087
You know very well why people would consider it cuckshit, don't be disingenuous.

>>21892104
No I don't. There's literally nothing even approaching cheating or anything as far as I've read. Protagonist's major love interest pretty clearly is only into him. Are you thinking of another story entirely?

>>21892112
>clearly into him
>still fucks random guys because their culture encourages young people not to have meaningful romantic relationships

>>21892120
When does this happen? I've only read the first two published books so far, and the second book basically has them decide to just actively start dating, but not get too serious until they're both genuinely strong enough to relax.

>>21892123
It happens in the royalroad version. Or at least it happened. Don't ask me for which chapter exactly. I only clearly remember it happen during one time when they celebrated something. I was like
>Princess, you explicitly say you need to be careful about assassins all the time but then you get drunk and fuck a random guy?

I seriously tried to get past my purityfaggotry but I just couldn't stomach this whole thing.

>>21892133
Maybe that was cut from the published version. Which suggests it's something that the author, on balance, thought was a little weird to do. I'm guessing it was basically framed as "both him and her can fuck around it's just not really brought up that much"?

>>21892141
Sure, they both do it with random strangers whose names they barely remember. Even when they get jealous of each other they kept doing it and I vaguely remember them deciding not to have sex with each other even after they stopped fucking strangers. It's been a while and I tried to not remember too much about that garbage.
I also remember the royalroad comment section obsessing over his animal companion being "groomed" to the point that he decided to have the law demand that pet owners give their pets away so they can fuck other people before they come back to their "owners" who they basically have no choice but to fall in love with. Or something along those lines.

>>21892159
That deal with the pet was still in the published version, though it's brought up before the pet is even really sapient. And it's not so they can fuck other people, it's to basically ensure that the companion isn't sort of Stockholm'd to fall in love with an abusive owner or something.
As for the first thing, I dunno, I've yet to see any of that, and the only thing that's really been brought up is "Matt and Liz decide to date but not have sex because they think that might ruin their relationship if things somehow don't go right between them romantically, that's a threshold to cross" and also Matt's narration vaguely mentioning "Wait, fuck, I'm not gonna be having sex for that many years?" but no real follow-up to it. Maybe that stuff you're talking about comes up later, maybe the edited version will handle it better. The idea of it basically being "both can sleep around and both realise how shitty/jealous that makes them feel" doesn't bother me too much, have to say.

Are their any books that focus on mining in general?

I despise romance in fantasy so much it's unreal.

>>21892176
I really don't care enough about the story to debate the sensibility behind that whole pet subplot. Personally, I think the mass grooming children to be promiscuous makes it obvious that they also groom their pets to be the same before they are allowed to go back.
Good for you that it doesn't bother you. I stand by my words, though. It's cuckshit and anyone who doesn't like cuckshit will probably dislike this part of the story a lot.

Tress has made me realize Sanderson needs to start writing standalone books.

>>2189221
He already has though. Tress is still Cosmere. Is that really standalone?

>>21892185
I can tolerate romance, Ntr is superior tho.

>>21892219
Standalone Sanderson Stuff, as per your definition:

Standalone Cosmere
Elantris
The Emperor's Soul
Warbreaker
White Sand
Shadows for Silence in the Forests of Hell
Sixth of the Dusk
Tress of the Emerald Sea
Aether of Night
Secret Project #3
Secret Project #4

Non-Cosmere
The Frugal Wizard's Handbook for Surviving Medieval England
The Rithmatist
Legion
I Hate Dragons
Dreamer
The Original
Firstborn
Perfect State
Snapshot
Children of the Nameless
Dark One

>>21892250
>Ntr is superior tho
Until you're the one who gets cucked

this might be a long stretch but here is my request. are there any books that involve tribes? With or without magic, I'd like to read something with tribes and their deities they sacrifice stuff to and somehow end up in a big war or something. Bonus points for having gods/deities.

>>21892353
https://www.goodreads.com/series/135626-the-legends-of-the-first-empire

>>21892344
>Until you're the one who gets cucked
That's the best part.
>Tfw no cute hotwife

Just finished Storm light 4.

Does anyone else feel like the series would be no different, and potentially even better, if shallan wasn't even in it?

Okay. Which of you faggets wrote this
>harambe

>>21892510
It feels like she's the main character who's definitively contributed the least to the actual core plot of the series. She literally doesn't matter in book 1. Despite having connections to Kaladin and Adolin, none of their parts of the story have much to do with her (apart from Kaladin killing her brother, but that's hardly a thing she has to be in the story because of), and her own story is a very loosely-connected bit of nonsense about the Ghostbloods and her increasingly convoluted backstory which we have basically no resolution to on either end.

>>21892511
Probably Ai generated in its entirety.

Good collection of scifi/fantasy short stories?

>>21892524
Glad it's not just me then. I don't hate the character, thought the veil/radiant stuff is annoying, but she just feels like a waste of time to read. I think if a person were to skip all of her POVs they wouldn't really miss out on anything. I'm excited for book 5, especially because my two favorite characters are going on a mission together, but shallan has a lot of catching up to do to justify the amount of "screen" time she has imo.

>>21892566
It's not like it's a "Sanderson can't write women into the plot" thing either, because Navani contributed hard to the main plot in book 4, meanwhile Shallan spent the entirety of book 4 just kind of... Doing her mental health crisis thing. Kaladin was doing the same, and I honestly dislike a lot of book 4 for just retreading the same ground anyway, but at least Kaladin was involved in stuff. The Ghostbloods aren't relevant enough for Shallan to mean anything, and her backstory so far means nothing to the grand story (though a lot of people are theorising she's the reason why everything got fucked up by killing her mother or some shit I dunno).

>>21891183
HAMMER'S SLAMMERS

>>21892544
How much profit is there to be made doing this?

>>21892675
The skynet is the limit.

>>21892667
read northworld :)

>>21892581
Yeah kaladin is may favorite so maybe I'm bias, and him and lirin bickering does get old, but at least you got a big payoff at the end.
The "new" dead eye reveal was kinda cool but wasn't really mind blowing or plot changing. And I think her order of radiant has the lamest powers. Even the ghostblood stuff could have been revealed via Jasnah(another good female character) and Wit.
To me it seems like she's supposed to be an annoying character that grows on you in the end, and in WoR I really started to like her(dispite her best efforts) but it's went downhill from there and I feel like Sanderson has set up a huge hurdle for himself to make this character important to me. Honestly if she dies in the first chapter of book 5 I would only be upset because I like Adolin. But it seems like generally people like her so maybe I'm in the minority. She's the weakest part of the entire series to me.

>>21892704
I will. Ever David Drake I've read so far has been good, and I'm always open to take recs from my friends in /sffg/.
Except anyone that reads webnovels, litrpg, or posts long form reviews.

>>21892761
I do all three and considering I'm the only one ITTs that has read Northworld, you can probably find some posts of mine in the archives. :)

>>21891656
Hit the halfway point of Before They Are Hanged last night and you're right, this is absolute kino. Glotka's one of my favorite characters in recent history, the little found family dynamic developing with Bayaz's crew is heartwarming, and the West/Northmen/Prince arc is unexpected as hell but really interesting.

I can't wait for literally every plotline to go to shit because it's grimdark though

>>21892273
Not to be a pedantic faggot but one of the secret projects is a Stormlight tie-in technically, since Sigzil is the MC

>>21892704
For me, it's Redliners in scifi and Lord of the Isles in fantasy

>>21889700
Besides picture related and Earthsea, what are some fantasy works that have a system of magic based around language? And what are some good rules and limitations you’ve seen in such systems?

>>21892675
>>21892684
It's probably a saturated market by now.

>>21892876
Lexicon - Max Barry
Understand - Ted Chiang
Many others.
Do your own homework.

>>21889783
People claim The name of the Wind has an unreliable narrator, but, at least in the first book, we see little to no evidence that's the case.
>>21889824
In which way?

>>21891065
This has to be bait.

How much longer? :(

Thoughts on present tense third person in fantasy?

>>21890425
I thought Bayaz running a bank was just a way to retain power as magic continues to fade.

>>21892876
Belgariad, although it is not a constant focus.

>>2189044 3
>obvious bait
Not even going to give you the (you)

>>21893087
Present tense in general just feels awkward to read for me. The most I can generally tolerate is when it's sort of done as part of a conversational first-person narration, as if the narrator is actively telling this story to somebody.

>>21890097
Nothing, it's generic YA western fantasy with a chinese fantasy veneer painted on top

>>21890364
Wheel of Time is GOAT for... well I guess we can't call it contemporary fantasy any more lmao, but it's mostly solid.

>>21893333
WoT is in teh weird transitional period between 'classical' fantasy and modern fantasy. So you have plot beats and character arcs that feel modern with old sounding writing. It's jarring in an interesting way

>>21893043
No, >>21893055

>>21892559
Please respond

>>21893501
Theres too many to recommend. Maybe narrow your query.

>>21892559

>ywn read BOTNS for the first time again

>>21893055
Actually thinking about this and feeling bad desu. I was surprised at how much I enjoyed HOTD (never read the source material for that) and it made me reread GOT. I’m about 20% through ADWD. What do I do when I’m done? Feels bad.
Unironically will it ever come out?

>>21893989
sctually i have never read it, too busy reading fantasy written by women

>>21893055
its gonna suck

>>21891915
btw i'm currently reading Empires of EVE, it's oddly entertaining for being a history of a video game

>>21893055
Forgot about this
Lmao

>>21893055
First we'll get Thorn of Emberlain, then Doors of Stone, then more Dunk & Egg

>>21891901
Alice herself is popular among pedos.

>>21893087
imo present tense is marginally better for fast-paced fight scenes. Otherwise the two tenses are interchangable
I prefer present-tense, but the preference is basically arbitrary

>>21892559
Songs of Dying Earth

>>21894128
Do you need to read all the Dying Earth books before reading that?

>>21894184
You don't need to read any, although they'll increase the appreciation of it

Any books that deal with with exalted religious texts misinterpreting horrific acts into being miracles? Today in church the idea occured to me that someone who didn’t have a religious upringing would interpret Christ as being a powerful lich, I think such a story would be incredibly fascinating where a whole world basically glorifies and worships a sinister and horrific thing all because of misinterpretations

Pic related

>>21894206
Japanese media tends to do that with religion. You may also find it interesting to look into gnosticism.

>>21894277
Old gnostic threads have been some of the biggest brained /lit/ threads.

>>21894282
just like gnostics, then

>>21894206
>>21894277
>>21894282
>>21894300
Bakker.

>>21892559
The Dying Earth.

>>21894206
I know thats you Bakkerfag

>>21891995
Omnicient readers viewpoint, korean webnovel

God I wish Guin Saga novels were translated. They just gave up not even 10% into the series.

>>21894206
Malazan has plenty of this with various cults

>>21894379
Same.

>>21894359
>non-uniform book editions

>>21890656
it's this fucker. be careful who you support with your money.

>>21894456
what are you even implying?

>>21894462
He does the political media thing, on pols side I believe. The culture war rages on.

>>21894467
And? What has that got to do with buying a book? Do you think it funds your political opponent or something?

>>21894456
based I'll buy two copies

>Razörfist

>>21894476
Their was a thread on /tv/ asking what you planning on watching. I said Sleepaway camp then some faggot posted OBSESSED. People take it very seriously.

>>21890915
redpill us on Worm

>>21894467
>on pols side
Retard...

>>21894456
IRON AGE

>>21894083
I bet Thorn of Emberlain will come out when Lynch needs more cash, or, as I suspect, he's so worried about being thought of as a GRRM that he pushes himself through mental health issues and just gets the book done.

Any Heinlein enjoyers who's read Citizen of the Galaxy and/or Orphans of the Sky? Thoughts?

>>21894666
He's already gotten his meds in order and will be publishing a collection of three novellas before Thorn

>>21894673
I liked Citizen of the Galaxy, it's one of those books I wish I read as a young adult. Good male role models and a sense of honor and I liked the ending. A little cheesy maybe.

Haven't read Orphans of the Sky, I have read quite a lot of Heinlein though, my favorite is The Moon is a Harsh Mistress

>>21894666
>>21893055
Crooked warden! These pissants really use excuses such as "mental illness" and writer's block to not finish their series? I bet if they didn't have relative success, they would have finished them already.

>>21894686
Still better than Patrick Cuckfuss' "I won't write until Trump is in prison" tactic.

>>21893087
Cringe if the entire book is like that.

ASOIAF won't be finished in Martin's lifetime. When he dies (shouldn't take very long now for a 74 year old fatass) the publisher will find someone else to finish the job.

>>21894738
Why yes, Brandon Sanderson does have the time to write a couple thousand page volumes for you, how could you tell?

>>21894508
It's a coherently written sci-fi superpower story. Almost all of the characters are fleshed out enough that they feel like real people that live in their world. The story is written so that the characters never feel like they're acting in a way for narrative contrivance.

The themes are fleshed out and they remain relatively static throughout, but the exploration of those themes evolves as the narrative goes on. It especially explores the nature of trauma and continual escalation.

The author is also very good at playing with sub-genres. The beginning is a bit YA-feeling, but then it switches to various genres and often dips into horror, which he is very good at portraying.

Since it's a web-serial it's a lot like reading a good TV show since the whole thing is split up into 30 "arcs" comprising of some 300 chapters. There's also a competent enough completed audiobook made by fans, and a few other partially completed audio projects if you aren't into reading on a website.

The major issues I know of are mostly with the first 7 arcs where it feels a bit too YA, and with a part much later where a time skip happens amidst a major change in status-quo.

Worm is my favorite book. Everyone should read it, especially since it's free. Just search "read Worm" and it will pop up.

>>21894739
Well at least Brando won't write an entire chapter about some dude shitting himself to death while his mother gets raped by his brother in the same room and then gets murdered by a eunuch dwarf who then also shits himself to death.

When GRRM dies 100% the Expanse authors are going to finish the series for him.

>>21854432
I said I'll be back with Dark is the Sun and so I am.

Dying Earth novel that doesn't really take after Vance's mystical or New Sun's "looking for meaning within meaning" approach, but a rather straightforward story about a certain Earth 15 billion years in the future. We follow a tribal savage called Deyv as he sets out to capture a mate, gets his Soul Egg stolen and ends up shenanigans with a plant-man and totally-not-love-interest from another tribe who're suffering the same predicament. In the background of it planet is suffering worse and worse earthquakes, soulless witches are hoarding artifacts, and far away Bright Abomination might hold the secret to saving humanity even if they've regressed so far to not even re-discover the wheel.

>>21894739
Brandos' book are engineered formulaic slop, you are reading the same book over and over and over, it's like comparing One Piece to HxH.

>>21894760
Makes sense actually

>>21894776
You mean comparing a series with actual content to a series that releases a few pages of barely illustrated text every four years?
Yeah that does sound accurate actually. But before you go any further with this you need to understand that I've only read Sanderson's Wheel of Time books and have no interest in defending him.

>>21894747
thanks fren nice reply. I don't mind the YA vibe, I find YA comfy and usually has good lessons in it. I'll red it now, or at least start it

>>21891915
I don't know anything about EVE Online but Perimeter Defense is good.

>>21894673
Citizen of the galaxy is good. Ive reread it a few times. Most people say the ending is bad, but its not bad so much as it is paced weirdly. It does a really effective job of wrapping up the story and making a good point.

Its worth at least one read

>>21894780
>millions of pages of processed sludge
Vs
>a few pages of unmitigated kino

>>21894825
Hunterfaggots are the most insufferably pretentious children on the internet. Your children's picture book sucks just as much as everyone else's and you can't keep yourselves from bringing it up even on the fucking literature board
Inio Asano wrote about this phenomenon

Late and gay blogpost on Brandon Sanderson's Oathbringer: Fuck me, I honestly cant remember being so disappointed in a sequel novel that I just dropped the book at the final climax. Was this novel even edited?

I really enjoyed Way of Kings and Words of Radiance, and then Oathbringer somehow feels rushed and drags at the same time and every character save Dalinar seems to regress to the point where I don't care about them anymore.
> Half the book seems to be characters milling around in their new tower city doing sweet fuck-all
> Characters returning from the dead or ones being murdered are just swept under the rug
> Complete ass-pull of powers in the final battle, Radiants being invincible, feels like I'm watching a child smash action figures together
> A magic system that is both so autistically outlined but also anyone can seemingly do anything without limits
> Shadesmar being just like anywhere on Roshar, what even is the point?
> Best boy Adolin being forgotten for half the book, Syl not being in 99% of the book (her conversations with Kaladin were such a great part of books 1+2 and now she is some npc cheerleader)
> muh mental health, cant do nuffin, please feel sorry for me, like seriously just kys and have the next 4 books be just Adolin and Dalinar

I cannot believe I fell for the Sanderson hype, man is a wanker. Could have spent two months reading something good.

>>21894886
Rhythm of War is apparently even worse

Best Chuck book?

>>21894835
>someone else brings up manga
>make post in direct reply, regarding what was brought up
>WAAAAA WHY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MANGA WAAAAA
kill yourself

>>21894969
Go back to /a/

>>21894835
>Inio Asano
> manga is le boring, I'm depressed, I'm SAD. I want to KILL MYSELF.
KYS pun pun nigger.

>>21894989
Go back to /a/ please

For me, the holy trinity was One Piece, Berserk, and Sengoku Youko.

>>21895027
You can stay here.

>>21895027
For me its female authors (better) : Dungeon Meshi, Full Metal Alchemist, Dorohedoro, Houseki no Kuni.

>>21894976
Retard

>>21895042
>mizukami
Based, the other two are normalfag cringe though

>>21895054
It still baffles me that female manga creators are so good compared to their western sffg equivilants.
Do you think its a "spartan women are the only ones who give birth to men" type deal?

>>21895065
Nah, it's just that the Japanese comic industry is a meritocracy and the western comic book industry gives special treatment to those who don't deserve it

>>21895072
I was referring to female fantasy authors but i guess the answer would be the same

What are some kino legends and canon star war books, bros?

I have finished The Prince of Nothing.
I have no idea what the FUCK happened throughout other than some of the most basics like the general plot points.
But I have no idea why the fuck some people randomly decided to turn against Khellus, or what was up with the random rape aliens that just kind of appear, or what the fuck was happening with Cnaiur for most of the series was he out of his mind and just imagining things?

I hear the second series is both better and worse and I'm not sure if I should even bother. For as hyped as PoN was it sure was a whole bunch of nothing but fake historical texts occasionally broken up with bits of dialog.

>>21894886
>Was this novel even edited?
OB was the first book with his new editor.
RoW is significantly worse.
The Lost Metal and the 2 Secret Projects he's released after OB/RoW are much better paced and edited.

>>21892405
Based anon, so much based

>>21895100
Most of the Star Wars kino I've read is in New Jedi Order.
>Vector Prime
>Conquest
>Rebirth
>Star by Star
>Rebel Dream
>Rebel Stand
>Traitor
>Destiny's Way
>The Final Prophecy

I haven't read these, but I hear they're also very good.
>Shatterpoint
>Death Troopers
>Revenge of the Sith novelization
>Yoda: Dark Rendezvous
>Darth Plagueis
>Kenobi
>Wraith Squadron

Anything by Timothy Zhan, Matthew Stover, James Luceno, and Aaron Allston is probably going to be pretty good.

>>21895113
If you didn't like the first trilogy you probably won't like the second one, obviously. The second one is much more opaque.

>>21895065
female mangakas tend to avoid the cringe tropes, and tend to be better at characterization (they probably interact with people, not like smelly male neets), thus making it just better overall. I don't know what is holding female westerner ssf writer though...

>>21895197
It's not so much that I didn't like the first one, it's just drastically different from what I expected.
I was told it's this grim dark story that's on par with something as brutal as Berserk with all kinds of weird demons and monsters that are being faught.
And then I read the first trilogy and it's basically just this extended march southward with a few battles, where occasionally there's a demon or a monster hidden in the background, all drenched in 10 layers of philosophy and religion.
It really does read more like a historical text that occasionally breaks into dialog segments than it does a proper story, but I think now that I've gotten through it and understand the structure of it compared to a traditional narrative, I should go back and re-read it to see if it's any more clear or if I get any more enjoyment out of it.

>>21895254
Why would I want to read about some piece of shit being a piece of shit?

>>21895258
Why do you want to read about white knight coomers being white knight coomers

>>21895100
Are novelizations worth reading?

>>21895358
The have some extra stuff that was cut front the movie, fun read

>>21895358
The novelization for ROTS by Matthew Stover is pretty great stuff, haven't read any of the others though.

>>21895358
prequel novelizations are far more interesting because they expand on the barebones stories that were crammed into what had to be action movies

>>21895200
>I don't know what is holding female westerner ssf writer though...
You might have actually hit the nail on the head.
Pick any random western female sffg writer, do you think that person interacts with normal people?

100% the fuck not. These bints are so up in their own little bubble, theres no fucking way they could write well.

>>21895323
I dont, i want to read about good people performing good deeds and engaging in loving and healthy relationships

>>21895200
>don't know what is holding female westerner ssf writer though...
Nothing, read better female writers.

>>21894760
They have both explicitly said that they won't multiple times.

>>21894379
Not even 5%. I read all the English ones as they were published at the time. They were fine, but not anything special. I also read the terrible manga that was officially translated that takes places in the 50s or 60s or volumes. Apparently the longer it went on the more of a mess it became with her doing all sorts of random stuff, especially in the 100+ volumes.

>>21895399
Fang Yuan is the world's most morally upright hero of the people.

>>21895419
>1985
Anon...

>>21895485
Idk much about that book specifically. But i know enough about wuxia to know thats not very morally upright at all :(

>>21895491
Are you scared of older books?

>Why aren't western women writers catering to men any longer? Just because it's easier and more profitable for them to write for women shouldn't mean anything!

Steven Erikson really wrote all the Malazan books within like 12 years. What a boss

>>21895516
He had a close brush with death and panicked.

>>21895497
>what is holding
>nothing, read something from the past

>>21895533
Most modern fantasy writers are bad, regardless of gender

>>21895399
>i want to read about good people performing good deeds
To truly understand your fellow man, nay the human condition, you must seek beyond characters that bring comfort and security to ones that do neither.

>>21895537
How insightful.

>>21895419
So the sequels go full grimdark with demon possession and pedophilic rape orgies involving the wife from the first book?

>>21895500
Indeed. I prefer Earthsea over ACOTAR though.

>>21895399
People performing good deeds tend to suffer a loss for the benefit of others, to perform a good deed is basically to voluntary cuck yourself. Why do you want to read such literature?

>>21891019
Try The Worm Ouroboros or the Gormenghast trilogy. The latter especially is about setting a specific mood and atmosphere.

>>21895664
>mutual benefit doesn't exist
No wonder you read the edgiest of chinkshit.

>>21895636
>So the sequels go full grimdark with demon possession and pedophilic rape orgies involving the wife from the first book?
Yes but the first book is totally and completely standalone. She wrote the sequels like 15 years later and hambly was going through some stuff so she projected a LOT, last book is decent less grimdark and a little more optimistic.

>>21895698
I just find it funny that you would post an author like that in response to someone wondering what's wrong with women writers.

>>21895698
Why is "hambly" an autocorrect word for you?

>>21894300
helloo reddit!! :)

>>21895636
>How insightful.
It's true.

>>21895668
>>mutual benefit doesn't exist
It mostly doesn't in western literature. Characters more often than not do "good deeds" not even expecting any reward or anything just out of goodness of their heart lol, in the end they get little or nothing for saving the world and that definitely is not a mutual benefit.

>>21895497
The examples provided for female written manga were
Dungeon meshi, 2014
Fullmetal alchemist, 2001
Dorohedoro, 2000
Houseki no kuni, 2012

The question then posed in response was
>It still baffles me that female manga creators are so good compared to their western sffg equivilants.

EQUIVILANTS... anon

I expect an apology

>>21895500
>muh catering
You tipped your hand too early

>>21895723
I'll just drop Witch Hat Atelier here for a contemporary manga then

>>21895617
No.

>>21895728
For me, its magus of the library

>>21895705
>Writes novels about the importance of family, home, love and having a quiet peaceful life.
>Then writes novels about demons with big penises and demon queens who rape men and Jenny having sexual fantasies about a dragon.
Perfectly balanced, as all women writers should be
>>21895710
Dunno

>>21895723
>EQUIVILANTS... anon
>I expect an apology
I kneel...
Some contemporary female authors i like
Martha Wells
Juliet McKenna
Juliet Marillier
Glenda Larke
Kate Elliot
Michelle west
Lindsay Buroker
Carol Berg
I want to say Robin Hobb but she doesn't write anymore.

>>21895779
>pick random author from list
>pick random book of her
>female protagonist gets brutally raped
I am sure it's just a coincidence.

>>21895664
>caring about other humans is cuckoldry
the ultimate and final brainrot turns you into a chinese bugman, what a shocker

>>21893055
I recently read empire of the vampire and found myself liking the hopelessness aspect of the story, the edgy bits of the main characters life
anything in the same spirit? I like the idea that the story doesn't have happy ending

>>21895779
I accept your apology, and apologize myself for being rude. Im gonna give your list a serious considering, thank you.

new thread WHEN?

>>21895984
When you grt a watch

>>21889712
Based and firstpostbestpostpilled and robust and enigmatic and cool and formerly

>>21890722
They made a lord of the rings two??
Bros.. is this rael?

>>21891030
My diart desu

>>21895846
Caring about others more than caring about yourself, putting others first is cuckoldry, if you can't even understand this then you are dumb.

>>21896128
Wait until you figure out that humans are incapable of altruism, and that "caring about others more than caring about yourself" is in fact fulfilling your own personal desires and is there actually caring about yourself more than others.

>>21896144
This is not news, it is also an argument and explanation of cucks to justify their cuckoldry, 'I am a cuck because it is actually my desire to be one and it makes me feel good to suffer to make others happy'. This is in other words a detrimental mental condition largely caused by shitty upbringing and shitty culture (like shitty lit that portrays this as a good thing)

>>21896233
I like watching you waffle from one thing to the next just to maintain your initial position that you dont even really care about. I just want you to know that.

>>21896237
It is not my top priority in life, however the the past and current state of western literature is directly caused by this shitty mindset. If I can't find books to read because of this then that is an issue that I care about.

Has the general shifted from Bakker shitposting to cuck shitposting now? Last few threads have been full of people posting about cucking to try and derail them.

>>21894933
I prefer Sneed books.
>Verification not required
Sneed shines

>>21896266
>Has the general shifted from Bakker shitposting to cuck shitposting now?
I hope so, cucking is cool.

>>21890364
Just read whatever. You clearly have shit taste and no standards. You'll like anything with words in it.

>>21895100
Splinter of the Mind's Eye is worth a read simply because it's such an oddity. It came out between the original Star Wars movie and The Empire Strikes Back so there's lots of weird continuity and canon fuckery. Plus Luke and Lea have a romance going on in the book.

>>21894750
I'll take that over the slop with terrible jokes, flat characters, boring info dumps any day.

>>21894886
>Was this novel even edited?
When has any of his books had an editor? They all read like terrible rough drafts, always bloated with boring and unnecessary shit. Even the first Mistborn book could have easily been 100 pages shorter and nothing of importance would have been lost.

>>21894456
Chud Schuldiner wrote a fantasy series?

>>21896416
Not just a fantasy series, an alt-right MANLY fantasy series to own the libtards! Very cool and very based.

>>21896428
What chuddy elements does it have?

>>21896416
>>21896428
>>21896432
Legit can't tell if posts like this are ironic anymore
Absolute state of /sffg/

>>21896454
What's your damage

>>21894886
>Was this novel even edited?
RoW is signifcantly worse however while Tress of the Emerald Sea wasn't something I found impressive in the slightest (Hoid narrating in reddit speak was miserable for 500 pages) it didn't drag anywhere so I have hope that Stormlight 5 is easier on the palate

>>21894673
>Citizen of the Galaxy
Just read it today. Kept getting annoyed by the retarded names for stuff ("snoopies", "megabuck", "bunkies" etc) and the boomer dialogue. The third act is also cliched (though I suppose a staple of the genre) and unsatisfying and the episodic nature of the plot makes it feel scattered, instead of coming together into a harmonious whole.

The training by Baslim and the culture of the Free Traders was the best part of the book. Way too much of the book is just fluff though, and has little relevance to anything else. All in all, a fairly poor imitation of the superior Kim, but it's set in spaaaace so...

>>21894300
link to archives?

>>21896549
>Citizen of the Galaxy
It's one of Heinlein shonens, they were aimed at young teens. They are episodic in the same way of those old kids serials like Fireball XL5

>>21896266
>shifted from Bakker shitposting to cuck shitposting
It's the same thing. Two of the main characters in PoN are cucks.

>>21896581
Yeah I got that sense as well. I feel like it would make for a good tv show miniseries if it got cleaned up a bit. There's lots of room to expand. e.g I kept expecting the free traders to make a second appearance (especially Mata).

>>21891500
Why the fuck would I PAY for a book in the internet age?

>>21896266
I always considered bakker to be on the pro cuck side of things desu

>>21896685
Bakker is a lefty and, may Allah forgive me for uttering this word, a leaf, so of course he's pro-cuck.

>>21896693
I had no idea on his ideology, I'm just going off what I garnered from reading his cuck prophet of apocalypse series

>>21892559
There''s around 20 volumes of Man Kzin wars now. plenty of short stories there.

>>21896693
>>21896812
what do you expect from a man who writes that much gay rape

Almost at the end of my reread of MoL... What am I going to read next lads? Everything sucks.

>>21896830
This. Also thieves world
>>21896883
What's MoL?

>>21896883
Try this

Why is old sci-fi so full of coomers? No Mr. Niven I don't care how many times you ejaculated inside that alien

>>21896893
mother of learning

>>21894886
Without the Jew Moshe Feder to flick Sanderson in the penis for wandering too far in to the weeds, Sanderson becomes a pile of wet pasta that has been intricately tied in to knots of tedium

Sadly, Moshe has taken his piles of money and retired since being the man to discover Sanderson was the financial equivalent of being the man who discovered opium could be sold to the chinese

>>21897019
Are you trying to imply that modern sci-fi / litrpg / isekai isn't even more full of cum?

>>21890917
Where in the story are you?
I'm about halfway through volume 6, right in the middle of the Elections for Liscor. I didn't give a single shit about this arc until the fucking muscle wizard appeared and started flexing about modern day gym equipment

Also, Rags

>>21896454
Alt rigtht people don't use the term alt right, swish.

>>21889783
The Book of the Long Sun.

Not only is the narrator unreliable, largely ignorant of the nature of his world, and intentionally glossing over his more unsavory acts, but much of the action and most important events occur off-stage, forcing the reader to puzzle out what's going on through context clues.

>>21889700
Just got it today. Looking forward to reading it.

When I say massive dickhead self obsessed fantasy author, who do you think of?

>>21897384
rothfuss and goodkind

>>21897384
every webnovel author

>>21897384
bakker

>>21897384
anything with harem in it?

>>21897384
Probably Terry Goodkind, though I don't know if he deserves it.

>>21897384
Glen cook
I love him but it's true

>>21897456
He deserved it.

>>21897526
Yeah? Well. Fuck him then.

>>21895667
Already read them, thanks though.

>>21889716
stop

>>21897019
I think it's pretty sexless desu