/lit/ - Literature

>>21855106
left-wing interpretations of nietzsche are gay, like when retards think plato was being ironic

>>21855111
anyone still referring to retarded quantitative political "wings" misunderstands Nietzsche.

I probably misunderstand him too fwiw

I suspect Nietzsche would instruct his readers to gargle republican balls because all the cool Nazis off doing their own thing thought he was kind of a drag so idk

I wonder if he‘d actually go as far as saying you have to pretend to be christian because there is no organic pagan tradition, but if Wagner had openly come out as a folk religionist I suspect the contrarianism would have won out and he would have.

Seethe harder, lib

>>21855123
>I probably misunderstand him too
yes, i'm the only one who understands him and i haven't even read him

>>21855106
reminder that antisemitism is a psyop meant to undermine right wing action and fuentes / milo are federal agents

Explain how Nietzsche differs from Thrasymachus in the Republic.

>>21855150
A bit of an oversimplification but if you were to map them onto contemporary ideologies, Thrasymachus would be supportive of authoritarianism whereas Nietzsche would be libertarian

>>21855150
He does not

>>21855106
Who actually understands Nietzsche? I want names.

>>21855298
Heidegger

>>21855259
>Nietzsche would be libertarian
The fuck? No he wouldn't. He himself was proud of being descended from Polish nobility.

>>21855106
That's a big embarassment. Not understanding the Nietzsche, that is. But an even bigger embarassment is actually saying you like Nietzsche's philosophy, whether you understand it or not. It's by far the most retarded thing to ever be made by a human mind. The entire reason I will NEVER support Fascists is because they like Nietzsche.

>>21855298
Jehovah.

>>21855150
>>21855260
I think they obviously do differ but the difference is more due to how language works than anything. You could interpret "justice is the advantage of the stronger" in so many ways that would be correct for both of them but also completely wrong and lacking nuance depending on your meaning of these words. Nietzsche wouldn't necessarily disagree with that statement, but a lot of people interpret it as "might is right" in terms of physical force which is obviously an insanely narrow view.
Also, Socrates was a master troll at using people's words against them to be fair.

>>21855259
> Nietzsche would be libertarian
Not gonna be the one guy who akshually understands Nietzsche but this just might be one of most retarded interpretations I've heard (and a lot of 20th century leftist philosophers did the same thing too). Literally couldn't be farther from the truth.

>>21855123
Nietzsche was political af too and he wanted to start some gay party of life to revive natural values before he went mad and died.
Even in his early days he was always worried about commies.

>>21855298
Losurdo
wrote a 1000 page book on him and his philosophy and he even read rare material from Nietzsche archives

>>21855106
Has there been a thread here yet about he was just exposed for being a turbo jew?

>>21855106
The more i read Nietzsche, the less i care about a supposedly correct interpretation of him

>>21855373
you're not wrong and political beliefs change over time but I just think in the grand scheme of things he cared far more about the higher aesthetic values and saw contemporary "politics" as a possible tool for that.

afaik it's not at the intensity of someone like Schop. inviting snipers onto his rooftop.

>>21855416
This. I've got better shit to do.
>being strong is... le good!
>aristocrats of the soul have the right to do whatever they want because entertaining the slaves just. does. not. work.
>this means you can fuck over who you want lol morality is fake
>AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH I'M GONNA BECOOM, I'M BECOOOOOOOOMING
>priests are lying play-actors and half of them never becoom anyway
>jews? they're good because strong but they're also... le bad because strong
>here is my retarded interpretation of what the perfect human being is like

who gives a fuck losurdo is probably right, this shit is just for psychopaths and no i will not actually read this german faggot (or losurdo) to confirm or deny whether i'm right. BAP is a gay grifter with an audience full of podcast listeners and deserves ridicule for his occupation alone, nevermind his pissbrained opinions.

How can I listen to his full podcast for free? I used to be able to using pocketcasts on android, now I can't find his show anymore and the search results just shows carribean music podcasts, fuck!

>>21855410

Oh you mean this?

https://twitter.com/internetradical/status/1640037629465882624?s=21&t=k3iL-Ka_dy5iHAa5Tq_uLg

I always suspected him of being soft on Jews and possibly a Mischling, but holy shit I did not expect him to turn out to be the most Jewish Jew in existence. He’s just a modern-day Oscar Levy, a turn of the century self-hating “le Christianity is da real Jewish psyop” turbo-Jew and obsessive Nietzsche dickrider whose book The Revival of Aristocracy is essentially a more bluntly honest version of Bronze Age Mindset without all the gay anecdotal filler, and it reveals how all the opinions BAP espouses originate from his Semitism. If you read BAM and wanna understand how he got from Nietzsche to the ideas he talks about in there, Levy is a must-read. Of course BAP never mentions Levy because then he’d admit to being a self-hating yid.

https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Revival_of_Aristocracy.html?id=xgo0AAAAMAAJ

>>21855150
Plato truly prehentively BTFO any single "philosopher" that would come after him, didn't he?

>>21855683
slsk

>>21855106
Why do you people grovel at the feet of this faker jew?

BAP is not smart, not cool, nothing interesting about the guy. Just a total fucking kike fraud.

>>21855874
BAP doesn’t really have any Semitic ideas though, except from the fact that he underplays their influence and he lionises early Zionism, calling it a manly movement. He doesn’t agree with the conventional narrative on The Catastrophe, and he openly admires the SS, and has had on a national socialist (Thomas777) several times.

>>21856085
The nation of Israel openly admires the SS.

>>21855298
Me (anon of 4channel)

>>21855683
it's like 5 bucks for all the podcasts, how poor can you be

>>21855298
Evola

>>21856328
>paying for zionist propaganda
kek imagine being this cucked

I for one am much more comfortable purchasing Caribbean Rhythms now that I know BAP is Jewish. Gentiles simply cannot compete.

>>21855298
mike

>>21856085
>BAP doesn’t really have any Semitic ideas though
Might makes right is incredibly Semitic. The fact that even literal Vikings and Greek tyrants were averse to it, but it's constantly lauded in the Torah, is a testament to this.

>>21855150
Neech is ultimately concerned with inner, spiritual and mental, strength, and using it to drive man on. Thrasymachus is purely concerned with dominating other humans and controlling them.

Thrasymachus is Foucault's post-enlightenment man, he thinks that "everything is just power relations" and things that this is good.

>>21855106
none of you fags could ever understand Nietzsche the way I do. go back to Hegel, may be easier on you

>>21855111
>like when retards think plato was being ironic
Haven't read plato what did he say?

>>21856816
>Might makes right is incredibly Semitic. The fact that even literal Vikings and Greek tyrants were averse to it, but it's constantly lauded in the Torah, is a testament to this.
Can you expand on this anon? I thought it was the other way around. From my scant reading of the Bible so far, the Israelites value showing pity to the poor, the widow, the soujourner, the orphan etc. In the psalms David portrays his enemies, who sometimes have the upper hand on him, as evil people. In David and Goliath we have the inversion of might makes right; somehow a small, weak shepherd boy manages to defeat an enormous giant. Later on we see Judith defeat the Assyrians through trickery. Wasn’t Nietzsche’s whole point that the Bible inverts all the pagan values, so the meek is now esteemed, the weak is now strong, the fool is now wise etc.

>>21857062
In the Christian reading, you're absolutely correct, and it's this Christian reading that Neech is in dialogue with.

In the actual reading, however, that Jews use, the Israelites value what benefits them as a race, they don't see anything innately "good" about charity, remarrying widows, etc. These things are good because they benefit the Jews. When gentiles do them, they are bad. See how that works? They are the Chosen Tribe, they are morally, physically, spiritually, and mentally superior. Their souls ("neshama") are fragments of the creator of the universe. Only they have souls. Everything else is at best a tool for them to use, at worst a wicked and sinful aberration for not bending to their will. The Jews, possessing souls, are the mightiest race, and as such are the rightiest race.

David is a prime example of this, he's empowered by the creator of the universe to go steal the native land of the Philistines. Why? Because the Jews wanted it. Remember, the Jews having souls which are the fragments of their god means that, in a sense, they are their god. They wanted it, they took it, they were strong enough to take it, ergo they were justified. When they fail, it's because they were too weak, and how do they become right again? By being strong. The cycle of "Jews disobey their god, get their shit rekt, prophet comes along, sets them on the right track, they are strong again" is literally just "hard times strong men etc" for people who have the extra step of thinking that they are god.

This is why I said Semitic, because it's Jewish, you are correct that Christians absolutely do not see things this way, and Neech didn't like that (although he also didn't like a lot of things about Judaism, like the "only Jews have souls" bit).

>>21855298
freud

>>21856884
i was trying to bait, because plato was obviously being ironic. the republic is entirely about how the socratic method and reason more generally can lead you to monstrous and obviously false conclusions.

>>21856328
>he pays for media
paypigs lmao

Was Socrates Greek at all? Often enough, ugliness is a sign of crossbreeding, of
arrested development due to crossbreeding.

>>21857194
socrates was to athens what athens was to greece

>>21857119
>These things are good because they benefit the Jews. When gentiles do them, they are bad. See how that works?
Kind of like how (I think in Deuteronomy) they are allowed to lend with interest to non-Jews yet not to their own brethren. Very interesting. How did Jews dialogue with the Greeks/Romans and their values in the period before Christianity? I once heard Edward Luttwak (a Romanian Zionist Jew who’s been on BAP’s show) say that the Jews were prominent in the intellectual circles (as well as in sports) and the pagans struck them down somehow.

Exodus 23:9
Do not oppress a foreign resident, since you yourselves know how it feels to be foreigners; for you were foreigners in the land of Egypt.

Exodus 22:21
You must not exploit or oppress a foreign resident, for you yourselves were foreigners in the land of Egypt.

Leviticus 19:33
When a foreigner resides with you in your land, you must not oppress him.

Leviticus 19:34
You must treat the foreigner living among you as native-born and love him as yourself, for you were foreigners in the land of Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

Deuteronomy 24:17
Do not deny justice to the foreigner or the fatherless, and do not take a widow's cloak as security.

Deuteronomy 27:19
Cursed is he who withholds justice from the foreigner, the fatherless, or the widow.' And let all the people say, 'Amen!'

>>21857217
>How did Jews dialogue with the Greeks/Romans and their values in the period before Christianity?
Not well. There's a book, the name of which I'm now blanking on, that chronicles basically every pre-Christian (or rather non-Christian) interaction between Judaism and the classical world, from the Classical perspective. The Greeks and Romans saw the Jews as barbarians with little to offer. They never appear to show up anywhere with power unless Christianity puts them there.

For the Jews, it was the other way around. Greek culture and religion was massively influential, to the point where the Rabbi as a social class is basically invented to create a bulwark against Hellenization. It gets bad enough that the language of Jewish intellectual life ends up becoming Greek. The result is a large body of Greco-Jewish literature that just ends when Constantine comes along, because everyone in this circle either becomes a Christian or a Rabbinic Jew when Constantine comes along. There's lots of prophetic literature in Homeric styling (it's in Greek, it's in dactylic hexameter, references Rosy Fingered Dawn, mountain lions, etc). One day David shall return and overthrow the Ptolemies, and the Jews shall rule, and blah blah blah.

The principle texts concerning how Jews are supposed to interact with gentiles when gentiles have the upper hand, like Avodah Zarah, are written at this point.

Also, just to address a specific point:
>say that the Jews were prominent in the intellectual circles (as well as in sports) and the pagans struck them down somehow.
Jews are completely absent from intellectual circles because they didn't have intellectuals. The entirety of Jewish religious life was focused on the Temple, and that basically got crushed even before the physical destruction of the Temple when the Greek world swallowed up Israel. Secondly, no, there were no Jews in sports, sporting events were religious holy days and, ignoring that Jews are forbidden in their own religion from partaking, there were numerous ritual purity laws that Jews (who, due to circumcision, are technically cripples) violated, and as such they wouldn't be allowed to take part in them.

>>21857312
I recommend you read Avodah Zarah btw, or commentary on it. There's a paper, The Rabbinic View of Idolatry and the Roman Political Conception of Divinity, that covers this. Another relevant text is The Torah Scroll and God's Presence (concerning Yahweh being "in" objects or people in the Judaism of the time).

>>21855111
>like when retards think plato was being ironic
lol do brainlets really?

>>21857351
A.I picture

if anything he is one of the few people who understand nietzsche. he understands how nietzsche sees hierachy express itself in nature and the natural world. when BAP describes equality as like yeast, its like when nietzsche describes it like the swamp

>>21857312
I found the article where Luttwak makes this claim, he also claims that antisemitism is a response to a group that is just so great and accomplished that you must hate them. For what it’s worth he’s pretty accomplished himself, speaks 6 or 7 languages, acquired degrees at all the top universities, written dozens of books, advised leaders in a military capacity around the world, and he even killed a Syrian soldier in the Six Day War. I think he runs a ranch in LatAm in his spare time.

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/a-misunderstanding-about-anti-semitism

>>21857446
>he even killed a Syrian soldier
Just one? I'm superior to him.

>>21857462
The only one I’ve heard him talk about ( he kept the guy’s helmet). He could have killed more. Are you some sort of vet anon?

>>21855298
Rudolf Steiner

>>21857446
>he also claims that antisemitism is a response to a group that is just so great and accomplished that you must hate them
Sums up >>21857119 nicely.

>>21857446

Jews were fucking loser retards up until the 19th century dude. Are you serious?

>>21855111
How so?

>>21856068
I don’t like the guy, but any other alternative is somehow even gayer and less cool.

The Golden One is so much more based and Aryan.

>>21855106
He’s one of the few people who doesn’t actually.

I'm beginning to suspect that there is no correct interpretation of neechee

>>21857945
Because Nietzsche is a contradictory mess and impossible to apply to the real world

>>21857945
Is there somebody that has a comprehensively correct interpretation? Probably not, but there are parts to his philosophy that are fairly easy to state definitively, on the need and benefit of hierarchy, for example.

>>21857945
His opinions change as he age and that's why you you can't get a good interpretation of all his works as a whole.
Nietzsche during his wagnerian stage was not the same nietzsche during his later years

>>21855259
>whereas Nietzsche would be libertarian
Sure, but only after the world has been cleansed of subhumans aka 90% of the human population.

The reason most people fail to understand Nietzsche is because THEY think he was talking to them! This is why it becomes problematic to apply our current understanding of political dimensions to his thought.

Nietzsche was all about freedom, but does this make him a Liberal? If we mean Liberal by the contemporary sense i.e Neoliberalism, Democratic party or Centrism then hell no. Liberalism today has its roots in Protestantism. Nietzsche was anti-egalitarian, so Liberalism is the furthest expression of his politics. Was Nietzsche a Fascist then? Again, I would say no. If what we mean by fascism is heavy bureaucracy, rigid order and lack of self expression then Nietzsche was not a Fascist.

If I had to pin down his politics I would say call it something like Aristocratic-Liberalism; freedom but only for the strong. Pro-Eugenic, anti-egalitarian futurist.

>>21857062
>In David and Goliath we have the inversion of might makes right; somehow a small, weak shepherd boy manages to defeat an enormous giant.
A weapon and the skill to use it constitutes might. David beat Goliath because he possesed superior power. Even luck is a form of power. If something beat something else, it can only have done so by being mightier. Its logically impossible for the opposite to happen.

>>21855106
>misunderstands nietzsche and bap

>>21855298
Bronze Age Pervert

>>21855874
It was always clear as day to me that him and his twitter crew (that all are still on fucking twitter btw) were always jewish. They inserted themselves right into the middle of dissident right discourse just to try to drag conversation and focus into the deepest mucks of convolution. They all remind me of the NRx types (that were always jewish as well) that want to ramble, theorize, and pontificate on and on about Rousseau, or Thomas Carlyle (lol), and always find a reason why you should engage in the modern political dialectic. They always find a reason to vote for the GOP and a big brained reason why Zionism is actually based and how anti-semitism is actually just fun ironic jokes on the internet. You could tell they were all jewish because of how uncomfortable and uninterested they were in hard, jarring, direct facts about jewish influence in US politics. They'll spend all the time in the world constructing 7D moves by Trump but run away as hard as they can from the "75% of Joe Rogan's guests are Jewish" guys. It was always just a fun nerdy hobby to them and not actual discontent

>>21856085
>has had on a national socialist (Thomas777) several times
that guy is a proto-boomer clown who is completely safe and inert for them to play with

Never read any of his stuff or anything. Did this guy have a podcast and massive following online for years without people knowing he was a jew and close Zionist connections? What the fuck

Nietzsche is no more difficult to understand than other philosophers, certainly easier to understand than Hegel. He gets misunderstand because people read only a small portion of his work and draw inferences, in fact that is the problem generally, people are very moved by his eloquence and feel compelled to read their own values into him in order to validate them.

>>21855106
There's nothing to misunderstand... He's just a cringe edgelord that people, rightfully, dislike..

Not liking someone's philosophy doesnt mean you dont understand it retard.

Isn't he just another philosopher who lost his faith in God and tried to cope with it. He wrestled with the loss of meaning and morality due to this and decided (as a cope) that it would be fine to create own morals, own meaning to life.

>>21856328
Third world country university student poor. Also BAP advocates piracy so there's that.

>>21858028
So he's just an edgelord, the OG chud

>>21855874
Lmao, the Gumroad charge thing is such fucking horseshit. Probably a lot of the other BS, too. You’re a fucking fag.

>>21855106
BAP is basically Anton Lavey but with the gay greek LARP instead of the edgy satanic LARP

>*inspires a mass shooter yet gets no negative press for it because he's controlled opposition*
https://twitter.com/Luke_Turner/status/1476088759221374976

>>21858432
>They all remind me of the NRx types (that were always jewish as well) that want to ramble, theorize, and pontificate on and on about Rousseau, or Thomas Carlyle (lol)
Why put a lol after Carlyle anon? The main criticism I’d have of the NRx guys, aside from the obvious, is that they’d always break things down in a very granular way to the point where it was borderline autistic. Like pontificating about how the CCP is really a monarchy and that’s why it gets shit done, or reverse engineering stuff like racial separatism or traditional marriage (before no fault divorce, widespread promiscuity) and making obvious points in unnecessarily verbose and roundabout ways. A normal person doesn’t use graphs and charts to back up why they want a homogeneous society.
>>21858435
I find him very informative desu, especially on 20th century politics and warfare. Although in all seriousness none of this stuff will lead anywhere in the real world.

>>21855874
I thought it was weird how he was so anti conspiracy theory

>>21858639
>Why put a lol after Carlyle anon?
Because that's about as autistic and detached from any practical political dialogue as it gets. It's 100% self-fellating and serves no purpose than a juvenile flex for whatever tiny audience you have.

An infograph that shows the jewish percentage of the most influential donators to both American political parties is more effective than 100,000 hours of NRx and BAPish drivel. It's also accessible and digestible to absolute retards, where as discussing the nuances of Carlyle isn't. I'm not against it, but don't pretend like it's a political action, and definitely don't pretend it's a REVOLUTIONARY action. There was once a time where there was very little censorship on the internet. You could just freely comment on news articles and media sharing websites. Once people started sharing factoids about just how jewish and monopolized things like the media are is when forces really started to crack down on free speech.

Thomas777 isn't bad per se, he's just inert for the same reasons I listed above. I enjoy looking at philosophy and history on the more granular level as well, but he will never be consequential. He's actually perfectly safe, no matter how well read he is.

>>21856812
who's mike?

>>21858691
Mike Sucham

>>21858676
>Because that's about as autistic and detached from any practical political dialogue as it gets.
To play Devil’s advocate, the political vanguard of any movement is always prone to intellectual theorising above the capacities of most people, but you’re right that it’s all pretty inconsequential. None of these guys really have a way out, that’s why they’re waiting for some sort of ‘collapse’.

BAP went to Yale and he doesn’t want you to look into skull and bones<div class="xa23b"><span class="xa23t"></span><span class="xa23i"></span></div>

>>21858615

Damn I just found out about this a few hours ago - to think this never made headlines. Kantbot apparently tried to make the original thread on it posted by some independent journalist go viral, but I guess the feds told twitter HQ to suppress it with the algorithm. Think about it, when BT pulled his stunt, 8ch was all over the international news until they shut it down. Meanwhile this happens with literal marginal annotations tying the perp’s motive to BAM, and nothing but crickets from the media. BAP’s a fuckin glow-op.

>>21855298
no one does, not even Nietzsche himself.

>>21855298
Weltgeist

>>21857446
People don't hate Jews for having influence and power. People hate them for being insincere about it; for lying about their influence and denying all responsibility. Jews are physically unable to admit to their violence all whilst playing the victims.

>>21857945
Nietzsche wasn’t a philosopher he was an emotional schizo on his period. Best you can call him is a prophet or visionary type. Someone who intuits certain truths without knowing how he came to them or why they’re true. He presents no coherent comprehensive metaphysical system (like for instance Plato and his followers or the Scholastics), he just goes on emotional rants.

>>21855304
feudalism is libertarianism for the Polish nobility, also what lands did he owned and how many serfs ?

>>21858615
He posted one quote from the book. The shooting was completely seperate and the shooter in fact wrote entire books detailing he was gonna murder someone he knew. It was a personal debt owed or something like that, no political motivation.

>>21855300
Actually correct.

>>21858028
>American Prometheus, Manifest Space Destiny
Tard wrangling higher men against Last Masses can't be sustained by class/caste alone. Power decentralization requires active hands, one's produced by Good Breeding (definitely not the kind Jeffrey Epstein's likes have in mind). The goal is walking the stars and hedging our speciation bets; anything that obstructs that - the Spirit of Gravity - must have unrelenting war waged against it. We cannot breach the firmament while looking over our shoulder.

>>21855298
My homie Lance

>>21857946
Why he will always be the most based philosopher

>>21855298
Lou Salome

>>21855298
Otto Rahn

>>21858028
nietzsche kind of reminds me of nick land's writings on xenosystems. land is very hard right, but not in the fascist sense. he is an extreme techno-commercialist

extreme libertarianism/capitalism is also extreme discrimination, far moreso than nationalism or fascism. this is why in some ways, fascism can be seen as centrist, because they suppress capitalism's discriminatory tendencies. fascism is still applying a moral view to life, how things "should" be done, rather than dealing with reality as it is. fascism still demands that people work together, even if they dont want to

"harsh" liberalism could be seen as a belief in Natural Law, or simply just what the law of reality is, without applying any morality to it. but even nationalism/fascism insists upon its own version of law

nietzsche, i think, is against morality imposed upon others

>>21858676
>An infograph that shows the jewish percentage of the most influential donators to both American political parties is more effective than 100,000 hours of NRx and BAPish drivel.
Have you considered the point of BAP is to create a product that studious autists like (you) enjoy consooming? Why do you guys make him out to be the next Trump and then seethe when you find out he's just a podcast host?

>>21860155
I feel Nietzsche would see the modern day technocapitalist as the closest thing to the Ubermensch. He'd see their pursuit of wealth and achieving technological progress as expressions of the will to power

>>21857945
nietzsche was a schizo neet with fantasies of strongmen dominating his boipucci

>>21855298
Heidegger
Foucault
Jordan Peterson

>>21860651
Forgot to add Freud.

>>21855298
Deleuze

>>21860155
>>21860437
Seems like Losurdo is basically saying this. Nietzsche and Land are both just social darwinist psychopaths who want the strong to oppress the weak and live their truths no matter who gets burned. Evil philosophy.

>>21857182
could you give me a few textual examples?

>>21860437
Problem is, these same people who call themselves technocapitlaists like Bill Gates and so on use the language of the left constantly. Maybe he's hiding behind this language to not upset the masses, who knows but it's certainly not Nietzschean on the surface.

A more Nietzschean message would be "yes, we are going to Mars but only the strong will make it and 90% of humanity will be left behind".

>>21860678
>Evil philosophy.
In Nietzsches defense you are using Christian language to dunk on him.
>want the strong to oppress the weak and live their truths no matter who gets burned.
Well, this was kind of the world before Christianity. Look at Ancient Rome and you will get a good idea of how pre-christian society was run before ideas of human rights came about.

many such cases

>>21860705
>In Nietzsches defense you are using Christian language to dunk on him.

Not really a defense, I'm just making a value judgement. Nietzsche didn't really DEBOONK anything, he just used a bunch of poetic sophistry to justify being a social darwinist psychopath. I'd prefer not to be such a person or live in a world of such people but that's just my opinion man.

>>21855106
The most significant misconception regarding Nietzsche's accessible works is the assertion that he provides a definitive set of instructions for living one's life until achieving the status of the Übermensch. Just get off your high horses all of you sick fucks.

>>21860437
This is completely missing the point of power in Niezsche's analysis, he was redefining power throughout his writings.

As Peterson points out, he is a subtle thinker.

>>21860437
One might reasonably conclude that an individual has a cognitive quotient below 100 based on their difficulty understanding abstract concepts inherent in everyday language.

>>21860776
What sophistry are you talking about? Are you Christian?

>>21860906
By sophistry I mean he just spends a lot of unnecessary words to say "Conventional morality is... le bad! Because I want to fuck over other people and the strong should be able to do that, look at how great Rome was :)"

Just because somebody intelligently and thoughtfully advocates having the mindset of a serial killer or a rapist slaver from antiquity doesn't automatically mean I'm going to throw off my natural inclination to avoid being a sadistic predator. A person can Become while also choosing kindness over selfish and horrific violence or supporting horrible systems that cause much unnecessary suffering.

>>21855416
Correct!

>>21860932
>Conventional morality is... le bad! Because I want to fuck over other people and the strong should be able to do that, look at how great Rome was :)
Nietzsche didn't say this. Why have an opinion on an author that you've never read the works of? All you're going to do is get laughed at and reinforce the "dumb christfag" stereotype in the minds of everyone who sees your post.

>>21860962
I'm not a christcuck. My interpretation of Nietzsche (and Losurdo's) is that he was in fact a psychopath who wanted to justify the master's brutality over the slave and believed that compassion for the weak was contemptible. Did you get pranked by Kaufmann's hermeneutics of innocence?

>>21855106
My man, if you take away all the cope writings and ideas that went nowhere, the only thing that's left with nietzschean philosophy is this:
Do what you want and kill the people that get in your way (if you want to, though those that are willing to kill inevitably outlast those who limit themselves). Trying to spin this as being like "nihilistic" or some retarded shit like that is misunderstanding Nietzsche, who himself admitted to being a nihilist. Nietzsche does not cure nihilism, he just says that now you have to literally bend over backwards for the ubermensch instead of God.

>>21860988
Why is the slave Good and the master Bad in your opinion?

>>21861054
Also, the whole thing that Nietzsche tells you is that values are meaningless. Creating your own does not erase that fact. In the end, it all comes down to the will. What do you want?

>>21855884
Thrasymachus was never wholly refuted though. Socrates just came to the conclusion that they ultimately agreed but that justice was the cause of the ruler's strength

>>21861068
I will just give you a brief tip on how to read and understand philosophy because from what you have written thus far you need some guidance:

No thinker in the history of mankind thought in a vacuum. All thought is in relation to surrounding thought. You seem to have never read philosophy in your life but accidentally picked up Nietzsche and was immediately felt revolted but what you've read yet completely missed the context in which Nietzsche's work was grounded.

>Nietzsche tells you is that values are meaningless.
Values are subjective, not meaningless. Nietzsche never said that values are meaningless, without values a human being could not even function for an instant. Think about it this way: every second of your life you have the option to do a thousand things e.g stare at the ceiling, punch yourself in the head, eat food or lay down and die. What constitutes your every decision in life are your values.

Again, read Plato, the Bible and Schopenhauer before further commenting on Nietzsche.

>>21860988
Being weak is prima facie bad. Christianity is inarguably an inversion of healthy morality and antithetical to life.

>>21856816
>>21857119
>it's constantly lauded in the Torah,
>the Israelites value what benefits them as a race, they don't see anything innately "good" about charity, remarrying widows, etc.

Fag, what?
The Old Testament always has Yahweh giving the Israelites shit when they mistreat the lower-classes. Even when they're foreigners.
There's a bit in Leviticus 19:33-34 where Moses commands the Israelites to treat foreign guests as their brother. Plus a bit in Deuteronomy 23:7 where he tells Israel not to despise Edomites or Egyptians.
See also pic related (Jeremiah 22:1-5) where Yahweh says he'll destroy Israel for mistreating poor gentiles.

The idea that the Old Testament teaches Jewish supremacy is something so wrong only a wignat could convince themselves of it.

>>21860695
But people like Gates are not really technocapitalists, at least not anymore. Gates is now squarely part of the elite that celebrates equality and working for others as the ultimate ideal, instead of wanting to progress technology for its own sake. Maybe at one time, like in the 90s, Gates was different, but he got absorbed into the normal strata.

Better examples of legit technocapitalists might be people like Peter Thiel, because he cares more about technology than social good. Thiel's book actually struck me as kind of Nietzsche like, how he celebrates monopoly capitalism and how having a monopoly is the better way to run a business. At one time I might have said Elon Musk, but Musk is becoming more Gates-like every day. But a few years ago, Musk would make a good example of a capitalist elite that was sort of opposed to the goals of normal society.

>>21861164
>Thiel's book
Is it Zero to One?

>>21861055
The slave is not good but he deserves not to be tortured and the master should make an effort to avoid causing him undue harm.

>>21861116
Christianity has nothing to do with it, in fact it is a garbage belief system. The strong and beautiful should be glorified but the weak should be treated with compassion in any way that is practical and one should not yield to the nihilism of disregarding human beings just because they are weak.

uhm bon voyage? nah i'll still be here from time to time. because I don't really have anyone. isn't pooping fun? shouldn't we all poop. uhm...

>>21861188
>The strong and beautiful should be glorified but the weak should be treated with compassion in any way that is practical and one should not yield to the nihilism of disregarding human beings just because they are weak.
I agree with this sentiment. Life is suffering and the Weak do suffer the most, not out of their own volition but by the laws that dictate nature and Darwinism. But the truth is, and something I think you downplay in your thought, is that it is the Strong that make life bearable. Think of what life would be without any art, medicine, invention etc.

I think we would reduce the suffering of the Weak of today and future generations by imposing castration on every Weakling in exchange for a bag of cash. It would be totally voluntary which in fact lends itself to meritocracy and roots out all the shortsighted impulsive people.

>>21860988
>I'm not a christcuck
Right, you're totally neutral, you just HAPPEN to agree completely with one side.

>>21861227
I don't downplay it, I recognize natural law. I just think the strong are being more brutal than they need to be because they choose immature hedonism instead of mature carefulness and appreciation of life.

>>21861240
If it was up to me Christianity would be poofed out of existence. Is that good enough for you?

>>21861105
>What constitutes your every decision in life are your values.
You clearly haven't read N. It's your will which everything boils down to. Values are all ultimately baseless. I didn't feel revolted, I just think a lot of people who pretend to understand Nietzsche, like yourself, desperately try to dull his edge. I've read enough Plato and from Descartes to Kant to know that Nietzsche didn't really have a tenable grasp on platonism but just saw it how he wanted to see it, not that it matters, he says we all do it anyway. There is no deep mystery to anything in life according to N. All values are absurd when taken as something independant of the will. The ubermensch is the one who lets go of values and does what he wants to seek power.<div class="xa23b"><span class="xa23t"></span><span class="xa23i"></span></div>

>>21861351
What's irritating about this point everybody repeats is: who are you to say the übermensch doesn't embrace values as part of his will to power? What if one disregards everything and chooses to seek power and in the process of his will to power, he seeks to enforce values on everyone else? How do you know this hasn't already happened?

>>21861351
>You clearly haven't read N. It's your will which everything boils down to. Values are all ultimately baseless. I didn't feel revolted, I just think a lot of people who pretend to understand Nietzsche, like yourself, desperately try to dull his edge. I've read enough Plato and from Descartes to Kant to know that Nietzsche didn't really have a tenable grasp on platonism but just saw it how he wanted to see it, not that it matters, he says we all do it anyway. There is no deep mystery to anything in life according to N. All values are absurd when taken as something independant of the will. The ubermensch is the one who lets go of values and does what he wants to seek power.
You're clearly an idiot who didn't understand one iota of what I said. Value is clearly the expression of ones Will. If you do not understand this you're a bone headed idiot. I stand corrected in front of you idiot brains.

A persons Will IS the expression of his Values.

>>21861351
>The ubermensch is the one who lets go of values and does what he wants to seek power.
This whole sentence is so oxymoronic I can't comprehend how a person could type this wouldn't give it second thought. Let's break it down:
>The ubermensch is the one who lets go of values
so the ubermensch has no values you say.
>and does what he wants
so he does what he wants, really? he clearly doesn't do random things like laying down flat on his back all day or howl at the moon
>to seek power.
oh, so he does something (what he wants) to attain something in the end, power. So in other words, the one Value that the Ubermensch holds above al else is Power. His Will is directed towards this end (Power) it is the only value he holds and all his actions serve this purpose alone.

Keep in mind when interpreting N that his brain was deteriorating towards the end of his life.

>>21861451
>>21861351
This is such a fucking drastic misunderstanding that I know for fact you've never read BGE, or if you have, you have a severe learning disability. Go reread the first 30 or so aphorisms, holy shit. Literally everything of a person is defined by their rank order of drives which, guess what, form their values.

>>21861475
>oh, so he does something (what he wants) to attain something in the end, power. So in other words, the one Value that the Ubermensch holds above al else is Power. His Will is directed towards this end (Power) it is the only value he holds and all his actions serve this purpose alone.

Wait... So you're saying...
NOW IT ALL. MAKES SENSE!

>>21861475
>His Will is directed towards this end (Power) it is the only value he holds and all his actions serve this purpose alone.
Yeah, pretty much. He lets go of values to satisfy his will to dominate. Compassion is the virtue of prostitutes after all. Just kill the peopþe who disagree with you, wanting to satisfy your will to power while also relinquishing it, committing both acts of cruelty and compassion in sequence, is absurd.

>>21861598
>orm their values
Which are meaningless since it's just shades of the will. They don't have any meaning in themselves.
>>21861451
You keep clinging to Nietzsche's cope writings that ultimately undermine everything he said before. They don't hold up to his own scrutiny. Values are meaningless there is just the will. There is no deep meaning to life. Just do what you want and get bent by the ubermensch eventually.

>>21857165
Freud did not understand a thing. Just a guy who seriously hated his father. I guess psychoanalysis is just a fictitious creation to rationalize his will and people just went along with it because it gave their loser lives meaning. Horoscope for midwits.

>>21861637
Go find me the aphorism where Nietzsche says anything remotely close to what you're claiming. You don't even understand his model of the soul, which is fundamentally based on the drives.

>>21855298
rudolf carnap

Imagine if you faggots actually listened to a real man like Jason Bryan instead of worshiping faggots like Andrew Tate and BAP

>>21855111
You probably think Diogenes was being unironic loser when in fact he was being a ironic loser to show the conservatives how stupid capitalism is.

>can't be misunderstood if your philosophy is impossible to understand

Just shows that poor Nietzsch was just human, all too human.

>>21855123
Nietzsche isn't really that difficult to parse once you get past the bombastic prose. He's probably one of the most friendly philosophers for people who haven't studied philosophy because he doesn't require you to have a deep knowledge of other philosophers' prior work in the way someone like Fichte would. Also because many elements of his philosophy have become so mainstream that people have already absorbed a lot of it from the relativist, postmodern milieu of our era. Hell, even the 19th century deterministic, corpuscular physics that "disenchanted" nature and motivated his philosophy is still what most people think "science tells us," and they won't be disabused of that unless they actually study the natural sciences at the theoretical level.

There is a reason the guy is one of, if not the most influential philosopher with the "laity" and the arts, while not all that influential in philosophy itself.

It's just that it is easy to adapt only the parts of his philosophy that suit you and claim that overturning the rest is simply fulfilling his call for the revaluation of all values. His philosophy simply has a weakness in that there isn't a good answer for the problem of what happens when borish people adopt it.

Nietzsche's interpretation of Hamlet in his first work makes all the difference IMO. Not the lines themselves, but for what it said about him, the nausea and embarrassment over meaningless action. It's what keeps him from being a bore. Many lack this.

That said, a lot of Nietzsche's acolytes do fuck up in thinking his quick take downs of prior thinkers, particularly the digs at the German idealists in the opening of BG&E, are good arguments. I don't even think Nietzsche really thought that. So the dismiss huge bodies of work that they, and from the text also Nietzsche, don't understand past a surface level.

Budget Nietzscheans also tend to ignore his psychology, the Humean "anattā" of his "congress of souls," in analyzing the will. But then again, Nietzsche also ignores this as it suits him.<div class="xa23b"><span class="xa23t"></span><span class="xa23i"></span></div>

>>21860988
Losurdo is a commie and he loves the ccp and chinks.

>>21855150
Nietzsche is responding the the particular metaphysics of his era. In the late 19th century it began to appear that the natural world may have been figured out. There was great hope for a "unified theory of everything," a complete physics, and the creation of special sciences that could explain every aspect of the natural world. Everything is existence was thought to be little billiard balls of stuff (although there was certainly pushback on this, Mach, etc.). These balls mechanistically bounced off each other according to set rules.

Everything could be explained in terms of these balls. This in turn led towards the adoption of austere forms of nominalism in metaphysics, although not everywhere since Hegel also dominated this period. Thus, it seemed to be less and less room for religion, at least as it was popularly understood, or an objective, ideal "good." And so there nothing to ground morality in, although if you follow Murdoch's telling of it, Kant had already shifted the grounding of morality on to man (I think modern philosophers have just been to eager to read the religion out of Kant and Hegel on this front.)

Nietzsche is starting by diagnosing a problem with morality that already exists in the world, that threatens dire consequences and must be addressed . Thrasymachus is just a strawman for "might makes right."

Nietzsche is primarily focused with overcoming nihilism, not dominating others. Thrasymachus is out dominating, in search of thymos, recognition. Nietzsche is looking towards the prosperity the science of the time promised and the equality that socialism promised and is worried about a world where everyone has recognition, but no one's recognition has any value because they were all comfort seeking, bovine Last Men- the subjection of strength and beauty by weakness and mediocrity.

Nietzsche is also aiming a more sophisticated, really post modern argument at prior moral philosophers. He charges that they too simply embrace whatever it is that benefits them or whatever they already believe. All the logic chopping and "search for truth" is just a way for them to justify their pre-existing beliefs. E.g., Plato's conclusions on democracy just come from his own aristocratic privilege and grudge against Athenian democracy for killing his friend.

The problem for Nietzsche is that this doesn't seem to characterize many philosophers. For example, Aristotle is clearly doing serious investigations in his natural philosophy and his political and moral work uses the same method.

Nietzsche is a fairly shallow and juvenile philosopher. All negative freedom, no reflexive freedom. No serious logic or metaphysics. No real political philosophy.

People focus on him because he's popular and sells and he's popular and sells because he seems deep but is easy to understand and also gives the reader an ego boost. They get to read something "complex and challenging," and the text also tells them how exceptional they are.

>>21858521
Even with God that's not enough to have morals. God alone is nothing. You need religion. But unlike with God, there is no argument for the truth of religion. So morals aren't real, although God is. That's the truth.

>>21861598
>everything of a person is defined by their rank order of drives which, guess what, form their values.
This is literally what I said nigger.

>>21860681
it's been years but there's a line 2/3 through where one of the main participants in the dialogue says "you know socrates, if even one of the supporting conclusions we've pulled out of our asses was incorrect then our entire chain of reasoning is completely detached from reality" and socrates replies "yeah whatever let's keep going" probably right before suggesting that children should be reared by the state

>>21861827
>No real political philosophy.
Nietzsche wrote lots of political stuff. It just gets ignored. It basically boils down to wanting an aristocratic ruling class made up of warriors and artists that had tons of slaves to support them. He advocated for shit like "We should mix the European and Jewish elites so we get the best of both" and "We should import Chinese immigrants so they can be our slaves and the native Europeans will not have to do basic work and will be able to focus on what really matters"

So many faggots just chugging back the cock of BAP while a true genius like Jason Bryan goes ignored

>>21861941
no one knows what that is

>>21855410
>>21855874
Hi Keith. How much is Antifa paying you to run a doxxing ring?

>>21855106
Jason Bryan is 100 times the man BAP is, yet you all fucking suck BAP's cock like there is no tomorrow. Faggots.

>>21861742
Is this actually a bot?

How is BAP being attracted to young muscular men anything new ? And how is that supposed to be controversial ?

>>21859254
The ADL/SPLC could and would hype up this shooter if he quoted some TDS guy or Fuentes.
BAP has recieved attacks from those organizations and gets published in respectable outlets as well.
He gets that treatment because he is Jewish.

>>21862082
>muh juiceboogieman
irrelevant low IQ strawman, go watch your nick fuentes catboy OF streams

>>21862090
Curtis Yarvin is a fan of BAP
He is also Jewish.
How do you explain that someone like BAP who speaks of Gay Nigger Communism can get a platform like he has?
How come these jewish groups I mentioned in the previous post don't dox him?

>>21862099
There's a jewish group that spams his dox on /lit/ every time people try to discuss his book

>>21862104
That's because people used to spam him jewish book on /lit/
but I'm not talking about random anons.
I'm talking about the groups that make it their job to ruin right wing figures.
How come none go after BAP?

>>21855106
His interpretation is correct. Did you read Nietzsche's books?
N. is a very clear writer for anyone who understands his mind, the literary tradition to which he belongs, and the epoch in which he was writing.
The problem with most N. readers is that they meet him at college or high school, and are therefore your typical college/high school students: never read the Greeks, the Romans, the French 'moralists', Schopenhauer, Kant, Goethe, etc. The names Hummel and La Bruyère mean nothing to them.
How many of these "Nietzscheans" do you think have listened to the Ring, or even have the musical culture which is necessary to understand Wagner? How many of them know poetry?
Another problem, which applies also to those who have read all the necessary books and understand the necessary material, is that readers in general belong to the ascetic type and Nietzsche was most certainly not a particular admirer of it. They read Nietzsche with an ascetic mind, the mind of a university professor. Nietzsche sometimes hiked 8 hours a day, and recommended reading few books, to the point where he says he'd go months without opening one (he's lying -- he apparently did read a few even in those months -- but that's the idea he is proposing). Meanwhile all the people who "understood Nietzsche" who are being mentioned in this thread are fat, old, miserable university professors who spend their whole careers among books, never experiencing the world with their own eyes, never challenging a law, and most of all never challenging the unwritten laws of the environment (academy) to which they naturally belong, never exercising any kind of power other than the power of the professor against his students, for which by the way they feel very guilty!
Nietzsche is an "aristocratic radical", admirer of Napoleon, etc. This is nothing different than what BAP proposes.
Is BAP then the only one to have understood him? Of course not: most artists understand Nietzsche without much trouble. BAP himself is a talent comedian. It's only philosophers who have trouble with it because they like to think of themselves as eternal truth-seekers (slaves of truth, really, rather than simply friends with it) and feel the need to render Nietzsche into some kind of academically palatable language, when Nietzsche's language cannot be rendered as such, it's the old "heresy of paraphrase" which Cleanth Brooks used to talk about in the context of poetic interpretation. At best you can summarize Nietzsche in a few pages, but then leave it to reader to go and find it out by himself and either be inspired by it into doing something, whether in action or in art, or not.
A good interpretation of Nietzsche looks like a Thomas Mann novel or a Boccioni sculpture, not like an academic textbook.

>>21862115
>I'm talking about the groups that make it their job to ruin right wing figures.
It's pretty obvious from looking at threads on this website that there's a group or a tranny discord doing exactly this, literally any mention of him or his book gets spammed.

>>21861776
Despite Losurdo's flaws he's right that most people give Nietzsche a softball reading. Nietzsche is correct about many things but he's also disgusting to anybody who wishes to escape very real horrors, and everybody glosses over this because of Kaufmann's cucked interpretation.

>>21855874
Lmao the so called dissident right seems to form opinions en masse

>>21862141
You're still not getting it.
I'm talking about groups like the ADL/SPLC/Media Matters/ Hope not Hate etc.
Groups like these seem totally uninterested in exposing BAP and the ties he has with respectable people/platforms.
Is he that irrelevant or is there something else going on?

>>21862144
You keep citing a brown mexican commie.

>>21862153
idk maybe anti-semitism is just stupid white trash who can't get to Yale cope ?

>>21855106
it's been known he's a Jew since like a year or two ago when he was first doxxed, the talk about it now is a little weird. Pretty dumb to think he's Mossad or whatever, he's been posting the same things under the same name on forums for like 15 years. The end of his book is about saying he hopes he inspires the next Hitler and that Israel is eliminated, although admittedly that hardly debunks Fed allegations

>>21862204
Jewish people get into Yale easily for some reason.

>>21862153
he's not some huge influencer, he's a micro Internet niche celeb. He's not some facelord telling his followers to bomb Tel Aviv or whatever, he mostly says lift weights and sun your balls

>>21862214
yeah, high IQ, Charles Murray and Kevin Mcdonald wrote entire books about it. Cope harder.

>>21862218
Big enough to have a wikipedia page, he's known among bigger influencers and he has said stuff seeming to endorse committing terrorist acts.
These orgs don't need much to try to ruin someone's life.
Especially if a lot of people don't know his dox.

>>21862233
What's the cope?

>>21862237
you wignat people are too stupid, go worry about non-existing jews alone

>>21862288
BAP is jewish.

>>21862294
no one cares<div class="xa23b"><span class="xa23t"></span><span class="xa23i"></span></div>

>>21862371
People in his circle care, and so does he.

>>21855298
me

>>21862427
Spinoza was one of Nietzsche's favorite authors.

>>21862477
Spinoza was hated by Jews.

>>21858615
>gets no negative press
>links to "antisemitism/fascism researcher" doxxing him
?

>>21855298
Jim Morrison

>>21862477
He only liked him as a psychological case study, an example of a sickly conceptual web spinner, as Nietzsche called Spinoza.

>>21855106
I wanted to hate BAP because his fans are mostly those idiot contrarians who define themselves in opposition to the heckin' left and intentionally embody the strawman caricature the left paints of the right, but BAM is actually pretty good.
He suffers from the same problem as Nietzsche; his fans are largely the exact ressentiment-animated slave idiots he lambasts relentlessly - but they have no idea and think they're based libtard pwners.

>>21858432
This is all true

>>21855106
It was always obvious BAP was a plant from the way he disparaged all IRL rw activism as "feds" and maintained this detached and harmless online anonymous persona

Also,
>literally is pro-pornography
Obvious kike

>>21855298
Im not sure if he understood him, but he did become the Ubermensch

>>21855143

>>21862233
Idiot detected. That shitty argument has been debunked countless times, so you must be an ignorant idiot. Btw, average IQ in Israel is <100. Cope.

nietzsche advocated an aristocratic mindset. so comparing him to fascists is dumb. to the aristocratic mindset, fascists are also low-class plebs

people have a hard time understanding nietzsche today because the aristocratic mindset doesnt even really exist anymore.

>>21857945
his interpretation is a lot closer to the real nietzsche than the leftist revisioned nietzsche

>>21858028
>Pro-Eugenic
He wasn't one of those right is might guys

>b-but he is le jewish!
Everyone who isnt complete newfag on /lit/ knew this when the book came out.
Also funny that attacks come from the side whose leaders are spic zoomer manlet, a literal homosexual kike FBI plant and a mentally deranged nigger with cuckold fetish.
And these people will rage for days at a guy who kept saying from day 1 that mass migration and biology is the biggest pressing issue. Not to mention also said western countries should stop sending aid to israel and even wrote articles about it. So subversive and zionist

>>21858028
This. It really isn't hard to understand if your mind hasn't been totally poisoned by the sewer of modern political discourse.

>>21862477
BAP is no Spinoza

>>21861742
>>21861996
No. It's the 4chan April Fools joke. I've seen these everywhere and some were on my posts.

Chat GPT doesn't jump around like that either, everything is ordered like your classic five paragraph essay.

>>21863403
For example, Hume's denial of a single unified ego might be somewhat similar to anatta, but that's a very loose generalization pros wouldn't make in the source text, and so not the sort of connection AI would make. I've also never seen a chat AI use a pun like that or connect a joke to an image like the opening.

Playing around with them a lot they get significantly more impressive in some respects and you also start to see limitations of what they do that are quite stark. I am not surprised it was easy to create software that can tell you with a chat bot wrote something.

i wonder what nietzsche would think of the gilded age robber barons

>>21857497
Came here to say this.

>>21863332
BAP has been kvetching about being called jewish and tried to hide it for years. He also has never posted his height or physique, and he's most likely 5'6. He's not a blue-blooded aristocrat, he's a gay jew from Romania.

>>21862233
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stLCurXu0fc

talmudic fingers wrote this post.

>>21863787
you're a chink

>>21857182
>filtered by the Republic
Many such cases

>>21863776
Why would he doxx himself retard? Imagine being on 4chan and not understanding value of anonomity.
There is also zero evidence he is either a manlet or out of shape. Meanwhile everyone can see that Africa First is led by niggers, spics and homosexuals, which is why you didnt adress it. They have all also supported zionists in the past (something they accuse bap without any proof).
Truly a resentful coaliton of the botched. Their only actual program is importing billion le based trad blacks and hispanics under the guise of christcuckery

Everyone who reads Nietzsche understands him. He wanted you all gassed up on your own shit, he wanted conflict, he wanted more war and suffering. Every other line in between is just about getting you to let go and just go crazy bro.

>>21863776
Absolutely unsurprising. Most people of both sides of the spectrum are fat and weak. However, there is a definite trend of rightwards coming on to /fit/ after making babies first gains and thinking they represent peak athleticism for going to the gym for a year and doing some fork out downs. E.g., picture related.

Meanwhile, most of the actually impressive guys on /cbt/ don't seem to care about politics much, at least not radical politics,the norm for well adjusted people, and trend very gay anyhow.

>Nietzsche: we cannot anticipate the Overman, we cannot possibly imagine what they will be like.

>retards online: RETURN RETURN: WE HAVE TO LE RETURN UGHH THE WEST IS FALLING! RETURN TO CHRISTIANITY RETURN TO THE CAVE GO GO GO. Ahhh…The overmen..

>>21855111
Every directionbrain interpretation of Nietzsche is retarded.

>>21864041
He never said this though

>>21864053
>nooo you can't prefer one of the dominant thought traditions to another you can't just categorize ideas! you have to paralyze yourself by looking at every single idea independently without reference to other ideas!

>>21858028
>The reason most people fail to understand Nietzsche is because THEY think he was talking to them!
this but not the direction you went. he wasn't talking to the botched and bungled, the stupid and the weak, the cowards and the slowpokes--i.e. 90% of this board who are rejects not because they were too far ahead, but that they were too far behind. he was only ever talking to those who assert themselves, believe themselves to be the good, the courageous men of the future, full of gratitude and free of ressentiment. only those with a strong instinct for life, for expansion--will to power. any who still feel ashamed of themselves, who are still, in our language, "seething" and "coping", all these are barred from understanding him. you cannot truly read Nietzsche without letting go of ressentiment. and this quickly dissolves modern political boundaries in the same way you describe. politics always represent some kind of mass appeal, and lack the flighty feet to keep up with true individuals. i would not be surprised if Nietzsche handed bread to the poor, and later on the same day beat a beggar with a stick. all politics simply lack the finesse to keep up with a full human. it always needs a mob to carry them.

>>21864061
>[mylittledarkage over roman culture intensifies]
These people are such fuckin dorks.

>>21864041
>RETURN RETURN: WE HAVE TO LE RETURN UGHH THE WEST IS FALLING! RETURN TO CHRISTIANITY RETURN TO THE CAVE GO GO GO.
i look like this and say this

>>21861496
>pops out this bad boy moments before retardation

>>21863891
Ok, j*w. Keep coping

>>21863911
>Why would he doxx himself retard?
He already doxxed himself like a retard, so he might as well muster up the courage and come out of the shadows. He needs to take some voice coach lessons first to hide that foreign accent. The reason he does that cringe russian imitation is because his real voice sounds so obviously jewish and that's what he wants to hide.
>There is also zero evidence he is either a manlet or out of shape
There's zero evidence that he's in shape or tall. Probably one of the reasons he's so afraid of being in the spotlight. The average height of Romanian men born in the 80s is around 5'7.
>Truly a resentful coaliton of the botched. Their only actual program is importing billion le based trad blacks and hispanics under the guise of christcuckery
Christianity cucked paganism into oblivion. Stop being gay and put down the talmud, there's still hope for you if you repent.

>>21863042
It's funny how he contradicts the greek ideal in every possible way

>>21864161
Dirlewanger wasnt really nazi evil, he was more biblical evil.

>>21864041
>>Nietzsche: we cannot anticipate the Overman, we cannot possibly imagine what they will be like.
Nietzsche literally says in the Antichrist that the overman has already existed countless times throughout history.

>>21864223
what sections? i've read up to section 45 atm and haven't found any yet. the Antichrist is my least favorite of his atm though. all a bit old hat after reading most of his other work

>>21864229
You need to focus more when you read. It's literally aphorism 4:
>Mankind does not represent a development of the better or the stronger or the higher in the way that is believed today. 'Progress' is merely a modern idea, that is to say a false idea. The European of today is of far less value than the European of the Renaissance; onward development is not by any means, by any necessity the same thing as elevation, advance, strengthening.
>In another sense there are cases of individual success constantly appearing in the most various parts of the earth and from the most various cultures in which a higher type does manifest itself: something which in relation to the collective mankind is a sort of superman (uebermensch). Such chance occurrences of great success have always been possible and perhaps always will be possible. And even entire races, tribes, nations can under certain circumstances represent such a lucky hit.

>>21864297
thanks. yeah my bad glossed over that. i remember it now but the implications didn't connect since i was thinking he mentioned a specific person as overman. not the guy you were originally replying to btw. oh well. since i did such a poor job of reading this one, i can at least enjoy it more when i pick it up a second time.

>>21861897
Reason is useless.

>>21863027
THIS is why no one has any faith in these movements. Look at these fat dysgenic subhumans. They'd all die in an instant if anything truly significant came to pass. It's hopeless.

>>21864138
>no no see, BAP is a jew, so he is bad, but THIS OTHER jew is super based, so he is good!
lol

>>21864138
Counterpoint: zero people have ever gone to jail because of BAP, but Nick Fuentes and Milo Yabadabadoopalis have both sent about two dozen White Nationalists to prison by working with the FBI in various gayops. So, as far as anyone with a brain is concerned, no, Christian Nationalism is a complete non-starter.

>>21864161
True, but he embodies the partyboy ideal in every way

>21864083
(You) are retarded.

>>21864566
>This group of gay kikes is better than that group of gay kikes!
Wow great argument anon. Great use of brain power. So glad we are discussing great works of literature on /lit/ - Literature

The modern Western society is clearly a decadent and nihilistic one, where the values of old and professed ones such as liberalism, democracy and so on have lost their meaning and power. The people are enslaved by a herd mentality, a slave morality, and a false consciousness that prevent them from realizing their true potential and creating their own internal values. The political climate is a reflection of this degeneration and demoralization within the population. Nietzsche would urge us to overcome this nihilism and to create new values that affirm life and power that are in tune with what we truly desire. He would call for a transvaluation of all values, a radical reevaluation of what is good and bad, noble and base, beautiful and ugly.

>>21864624
AI wrote this. if anything multicultural america is probably closer to what Nietzsche wanted. whole peoples vying for power, the death of God and the killing of his shadow being partaken by many in their own unrestrained pursuits of power and self-styling. this means many monstrosities of course like t r a n n i e s and school shooters, but Nietzsche always held a flattening together with a deepening. herd mentality is still rampant, but also much more commonly opposed than in less developed countries. it's a spectacular battleground, and the jews are even stronger than they were in his time, with christianity much weakened, relegated to a counterculture for uprooted, deracinated trad larpers. to an outside spectator, there is much potential in america. of course the costs are clear, but the higher type has a better chance of growing on this soil.

>>21862153
some of his comments were "racialist" and HBDish but nothing glaringly offensive beyond gay anime memes

>>21862868

>>21855106
>*misunderstands Nietzsche*

>>21857270
>Exodus 23:9
Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger: for ye know the heart of a stranger, seeing ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

>>21864616
>Pretends to hate Nick now that he got BTFO
Lol

>>21864566
>Counterpoint: zero people have ever gone to jail because of BAP
It's more suspicious that he has never gotten in real trouble. Makes him look like he's either completely ineffective as a political operative or someone who is being protected from within for whatever suspicious reason. Especially when you look into his early life, family lineage and the people who surrounded him in academia.

>>21864555

>>21865564
He doesnt live in muttmerica so he doesnt get put in jail just because he says nigger and that billions must die

What? Aren't the misinterpreters of Nietzsche angsty, emo teenagers?

>>21855111
>plato
You're thinking of machiavelli

>>21865564
>It's more suspicious that he has never gotten in real trouble.
There's nothing suspicious about it, he's a globetrotting Jew going around do international Zionism. "BAP" is just something that he does for fun. This is why he's constantly against "facephagging", joining the NJP/PF/NRM/etc. This is why he never actually drops an Asatru or Rodnover organizations. Hell, let's just pause here: you want to talk about something suspicious, why is BASED ARYAN CAVEMAN WORSHIP MARS AND VENUS FROM HYPERBOREA RUSSIA not even passingly familiar with the Ringing Cedars or Ynglingism? Back to the point: this is why the only times that he has ever done, or advocated doing, ANYTHING, is when he's telling you to go out and vote for Ziocon Candidate #42.

Because that's what he wants: White people to keep being golems for Israel. His early life, family lineage, and entire career (academic and professional) is about keeping the money flowing to Israel. That's the entire reason for the PAGAN ARYAN RUSSIAN CAVEMAN persona, so he can kick the hornet's nest of catboys and get them all riled up to go defend Israel. Don't believe me, just go look at Fuentes's telegram. What's his big plan to PWN BAP?

Telling people to vote for DeSantis, who has been doing nothing but promise more money for Israel. Do you see how this works?

>>21864616
The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of baptism.

>>21865564
He is now on podcast saying that Europe needs to unite with America and that fertility isn't an issue because "we" were always a minority.

Does BAP have kids? Or is he like every other white nationalist who bleats on about birth rates but has no children themselves. I always thought the gay stuff was a joke. Was he being serious?

>>21865702
>Was he being serious?
yeah

>>21865725
So white guys are arguing with other white guys about a gay Jew?

>>21865702
Having kids creates the long house, you see

>>21865702
He talks about moving around constantly and having sex with prostitutes, so I guess no.

>>21864531
It's what happens when you try to translate an online niche like that into the real world. Only people who get oddly obsessed with it end up actually thinking it's worth contributing to and that pic is the result

>>21862969
>e disparaged all IRL rw activism as "feds"
this is literally true. Feds infiltrate any notable right wing movement and attack BAP regularly.
>literally is pro-pornography
BAP supports natural hierarchies and thinks it is a waste of time to try to suppress sexual instinct. It is best to try to turn pornography into something good than to try to avoid it altogether.

>>21862969
>and maintained this detached and harmless online anonymous persona
Anyone who asks you to stop being anonymous is a FED, this is true. As true on Twitter as here on 4chan.

>>21865702
BAP isn't a White Nationalist, and most White Nationalists have children, so idk what you're trying to ask.

>>21865749
Yes.

>>21864963
Doesn't he openly talk about stuff like
>10 naked bodybuilders sabotaging the power lines
Pretty sure I saw him tweet nonsense like that.
Imagine a serious right winger say that and not get banned or an article written about them.

>>21865989
>>21865998
Unserious people. Keep reading your gay kike

>>21855325
This. Based.

>>21865702
Why are you being deliberately disengenious? I think this was from his last podcast so either you have an agenda or you are just retarded.
First, he was commenting on some other guys schizo plan that after europeans overthrow their puppet governments they should consider union with pro-european faction in america (US has ton of natural resources, europe has not) so they could eventually repeal US constitution which is necessary to end current "democracy". Unrealistic but not thats not his idea.
Second, regarding birthrates I think he is mostly correct that is unrealistic to expect europeans to have 7 kids necessary to outbreed africans, so in the short term its more urgent to close the border, deport everyone here and end all foreign aid. Mostly what japan manages to do.
>>21866172
There is ton of articles of leftoids seething about him

>>21865702
>bleats on about birth rates but has no children themselves
He never did this.

>>21855106
Gay E-celeb drama thread.

>>21855106
Isn’t the theory that his use of Nietzsche is a deliberate Straussian move to achieve his political ends?

>>21865702
He in fact explicitly warns men not to have families because it will weaken their masculine drive and ruin their bond of brotherhood (since he asserts emotionally intimate relationships should only be with other men) and says it is better to procreate the way slum dwellers do (in his book he says only the world of drugs, prostitutes, gambling and pornography is a crack of liberty which men should appropriate and utilize, in the conclusion saying men need to form a brotherhood of the damned in the name of Satan through this) by just having sex with random strange women and leaving babies sometimes to be raised by single moms.

>>21861977
Snitch-jacketing
Who is more likely to be a Fed, the classical-theist Fenian or the Straussian Semite?

>>21862090
No counterargument, just womanly ascription of social opprobrium. If you're not full of shit, why do you "argue" like a woman?
>Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!

>>21862204
A very revealing response!

>>21863219
What's the matter goy, you have a problem with Uritsky murdering russian children? This is clearly a low-IQ cope from someone who is sore they're not a member of the politburo - I'll hear no more bad words against Zinoviev, Trotsky, Georgy Safarov or Radek! Now buy my book, Bolshevik Age Mindset

>>21867186
I am going to go with the one who endorsed schizo nigger for a president

>>21867215
So BAP?

>>21865989
>It is best to try to turn pornography into something good than to try to avoid it altogether.
See picrel. Would you say the same about crack or meth?
>>21867170
>better to procreate the way slum dwellers do (in his book he says only the world of drugs, prostitutes, gambling and pornography is a crack of liberty which men should appropriate and utilize, in the conclusion saying men need to form a brotherhood of the damned in the name of Satan through this) by just having sex with random strange women and leaving babies sometimes to be raised by single moms
So act like maladaptive niggers then? This is the profound gnosis which makes BAPfags turn a blind eye to him lying about his ancestry?

>>21867233
Dubs and
>picrel

>>21858694
mike sucham ma balls

>300 reply /pol/-tier eceleb thread
what the fuck happened to /lit/

>>21867436
A lot of /pol/acks thought they were too smart for /pol/ and should read based and redpilled books instead of infographics and here we are.

>>21864138
>There's zero evidence that he's in shape or tall
If you look for his usual picture on Pimeyes you find another one where you can see he's fit.

>>21867436
BAM is the staple of /lit/ culture newfag

>>21867526
I've been here for >10 years and I like him a lot. He's the only living humorist who can make me laugh, the rest are SHIT.
John Cleese will be releasing a sequel to Fawlty Towers, so maybe this will be good, who knows...

>>21867436
Very vocal minority of twitterfags. Notice OP is posting from an iphone. What kind of man uses an iphone? A "kinda bi" twitter zoomer.

>>21867526
Kill yourself, invasive weed.

>>21855298
Yehova.

>>21856283
Someone said my name, based.

>>21862868
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RlrPV3cHag

>>21855298
Joe Biden.

>>21867436
>still hasn't learned that every board is /b/
>"I'm not a newfag!"
>"I've been here all summer!"
>>21867555
But this guy is right that twitterfags and phoneposters are the first in the oven.

I'm not Jewish but is this okay?

>>21857523
Yes, I wonder precisely how and when Ashkis became smart. It seems that while the modern world was slowly being invented by white men starting in the middle ages, Jews were slowly crawling up from being fairly typical 89 IQ, haggling/mercantile Eurasian people into 103 IQ white people, through the social and genetic dynamics of their rabbinical culture. And of course rabbinical Judaism is explicitly 'anti-white,' but yeah I don't want to seem like a racist peasant or anything. Now our societies are flooded with technically smart but really mediocre Jewish intellectuals who clearly are where they are because of nepotism. Once the white man had set up an amoral, technological, and open society, Jews were like just another elite sect of whites, such as Episcopalians, who could outpace the great majority of peasants, but possessing vastly superior social intelligence and cunning as a group. Anglo Saxons are uniquely, astonishingly uncaring about themselves as an ethnic group, so they're no contest for these ruthless Jews.

>>21867849
welcome to the talmudic network, friend

>>21861977
The Irish Independent reported that Keith was being monitored by the police just for having a conversation with Nick Fuentes.

Costin Alamaru has never once been mentioned by the ADL or SPLC, has a glowing Wikipedia page, and has his book reviewed in Atlantic articles.

Tell me who is the fed again?

>>21862214
Because for years the Dean of Admissions at almost all Ivy league colleges were held on lockdown by jewish admins.
There used to be a bunch of spammed pics about it ages ago.

Nietzsche is such a pleb filter. Imagine being a weak mouse nibbling on "muh pure philosophy" while chads read Nietzsche and win at life.

>>21869075
I don't think these people that read Nietzsche are winning at life.
They're almost all anonymous as well so it's easy to larp as a big strong rich man.
Andrew Tate is closer to it and he says reading is gay.

>>21867951
>I wonder precisely how and when Ashkis became smart
They aren't, their average IQ is in the low 90s.

>>21865702
he is a physically on-fire hard gay homosexual grad student who jizzes his pants looking at male statues so no you've picked the wrong can of psychosexual analysis i think

if you read philosophy, you're retarded.
if you think any philosopher (especially german ones) is 'profound' you have a mental disability.

>>21865702
He's one of those jewish "white nationalists"

i wonder if any yale glowscouts itt have seen this jackass in person

>>21869300
Yeah, in the skull and bones lounge cafe

>>21869075
I'm convinced everyone into Nietzche works in silicon valley and uses far-right larping online as a leisure activity.
Personally, I don't know why they fetishize the bronze age collapse so much. They're not going to be the barbarians (if there are going to be any barbarians at all, which I doubt)

>>21869334
Well not everyone. But everyone who is anonymous and on the internet.

All of you are the mad, fat and ugly jew you accuse BAP of being.

>>21862115
>where there is fuck, there will arise counterfuck

>>21869424
The guy in itself is ok. His fans are cancerous faggots.

>>21868393
shalom!

>>21855106
He's a lot closer than most people

>>21870039
Hey Costin, when are you going to debate Keith? Just kidding we know you aren't going to blow your cover.

>>21865702
gay stuff is never a joke. faggots pretend it is as a means for grooming.

>>21870052
Athletes, cops, and military guys spout ironic faggotry literally nonstop

>>21858758
BT?

>>21855106
What are the most common misunderstandings of Nietzsche besides that he wasn't a nihilist or when people misinterpret "God is dead"?

>>21855106
The whole 'the right/BAP ackshully misunderstands Nietzsche - what he really meant was you should 'just be nice' and push for progressive politics and communism' is so fucking gay it's almost unbelievable... that is until you realise who's saying it.

Nietzsche was very clear - close your heart to pity; annihilate countless millions of undesirables; turn your body, mind and soul into a work of art; the weak should fear the strong.

BAP is based as fuck and the animejugend will inherit the Earth, bitch.

Praise John Winthrop. Hail the Black Sun.

>>21865702
He isn't a white nationalist and he isn't concerned much with birth rates.

>>21869091
I know philosophy students and philosophers and the ones who rate Nietzsche are doing far better in life in my experience. And the guys who aren't into philosophy but like Nietzsche also do quite well, me included. For example, his writing was a part of what helped me steer my life back on track, because it helped me find out that there are still things I can't understand and never will and to stop making excuses for being lazy. Besides that, his philosophy is one of those that transcend just words, it is not only logical but can at the same time proves itself by real life experience. This I imagine can be helpful especially for people who don't think just abstractly but put emphasis on feelings too. Btw this isn't a discussion worthy of mentioning Andrew Tate, you're better than that.
>>21869334
being right-wing in this case is embracing the continuity of life in the natural order of things. You could call antisemitism far right, but antisemitism in a globalist world is in practice just sustainability. I don't know much about the end of bronze age, but being a man is always a tradeoff, you need to channel your animalistic instincts somewhere, or you will castrate yourself in one way or another. which is cool, if you have a good sense of purpose in life, but can be destructive if you don't. I honestly don't have a good cope ready if i were to lose my balls, even metaphorically. And I have not yet met a man who does.

>>21865621
Are you retarded? He has literally been shitting on DeSantis non-stops and supports Trump, you're making up more shit than Logo Dadaleus

>>21867170
Stop twisting his words, he doesn't have a universal blueprint for everyone, he says that men should be aware of starting families too early as it hinders political and other such plans and delays them another generation, however if one's main goal is having the maximum amount of legitimate offspring then there is no problem with that. Also BAP has children on every continent besides Antartica

>>21865702
He's a critic of panic over the heckin birth rates. Genetic quality is more important than numbers, and he rightly recognizes that the key to upping birth rates is to up the fuck rates. /pol/cels need to become chads not heckin family men if they really want to increase white birth rates. There is no christian virgin tradwife for you out there

>>21870043
>>21869300
>>21869296
>>21869104
>>21868599
>reminder that the so-called "evidence" of BAP being Jewish is circumstantial at best, shit like he went to Yale and his boomer dad follows the IDF on facebook
>reminder that Keith Woods, the guy who "exposed" BAP for supposedly being Jewish, did a two and half hour long polite interview with a Jewish Zionist: https://www.youtube.com/live/F2v4bGU8-As?feature=share
>reminder that Nick Fuentes is surrounded by Jews and pedophiles, including Laura Loomer, Franssen, that assistant who does the setup, and Milo among others
>reminder that Nick Fuentes and the groyper retards unironically supported a schizophrenic black israelite rapper for President (Kwanye 2024) and had an embarassing meeting with Trump.
>reminder that tradcath larpers believe that oral sex is "mouth sodomy" and will get you sent to hell
>reminder that Jesus was a jew rabbi and his dad follows the IDF on facebook
>reminder that all groypers are mystery meat mexican porn addict faggots
>reminder that they hate BAP because they are unaesthetic incels who get no pussy
>reminder that even if BAP was jewish it wouldn't matter to him or his followers, he's been open about the JQ and jewish mafia in Finance, Hollywood, and Academia and his main influenec Nietzsche was a critic of hardline antisemites who hate all jews but promote semitic morality.
>reminder that Varg is a faggot welfare queen and absent father who abandoned his pagan religion to become a christcuck
>reminder that BAP is a romanian math prodigy jacked chad who just wants /pol/cels to lift and get pussy and form broederbonds with other young men
>reminder that the only hope for the right wing is sun and steel vitalism, anything else is just incels looking at computer screens, fat larpers, and flaccid conservagoyism

>>21867436
/lit/ /fit/ and /his/ are BAP vassal boards all brownoids get out