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spring edition

previous >>21820659

>> No.21826123

Happiness founded on sorrow.

>> No.21826127
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21826127

I think that's a pretty ugly painting. Here's a better one.

>> No.21826132

>>21826127
>better
not really

>> No.21826144

>>21826127
Hard disagree. Look at the comically sketchy trees.
Her expression looks like gas has overtaken her. Maybe the artist didn’t like her.

>> No.21826145
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While reading the Iliad I came to the realisation that God, if he is to be God at all, must be both finite and infinite at the same time. This follows from two stipulations, both of which I think should be rather uncontroversial, though some people I have argued with have attempted to deny the latter in order to save themselves from the more pantheistic conception of God that I am offering here.

The first is the absolute Goodness of God. It is clear that if God is absolutely Good, then his essence must embrace all possible Goods. This does not mean that God must be directly responsible for all Goods in the world, but rather that every Good must be a reflection (however dim) of his nature. Thus when someone helps an old lady across the street, it may be said that he is a Godly man, for his actions reflect the loving nature of God.

The second stipulation (more controversial) is the existence of Goods that necessarily depend upon finitude. I am talking about virtues like courage, hard work, perseverance, willpower, asceticism, repentance, humility, curiosity, etc.. These virtues are only accessible to a finite being, because they could only conceivably exist within a being who is weak and limited. A warrior can be courageous only because his strength is not superabundant; only because he is mortal; only because he has reason to fear. An intellectual can be curious only because he is not all-knowing; only because he is ignorant and wants to learn something new. God as most people conceive Him could never be courageous, because, being all-powerful, he has nothing to fear. Nor could He possess any of the other Goods that depend upon finitude.

This is why, in The Iliad, Homer contrasts the carefree and indulgent lives of the gods with the pain and tragedy of human existence, war, pestilence, and death. The gods love and their love is eternal, their music lasts forever, they live leisurely and have no cares. Humanity, on the other hand, is perishable, our love fades, we age, we die, we lose things. Is there not something missing, therefore, from the divine realm? Can we not justifiably say that Achilles is superior, in some way, to Zeus, by the very fact of his finitude and mortality? And is not finite existence in some way aesthetically superior to the languor and indifference of the divine realm? Is not tragedy something beautiful in itself?

So, in conclusion, what do we get from this? If (1) God is absolutely Good, and (2) some Goods are only accessible to finite beings, then (3) God must be both finite and infinite. His creation must be identical to him. He takes on finitude in our form in order to embrace the Goods that only finite beings can possess. From this we can conclude further, that finitude will never come to an end, as some Christians believe, because God’s existence depends upon his expression of finitude. You cannot have the one without the other.

What are your thoughts about these (admittedly unorthodox) arguments?

>> No.21826148

>>21826145
humans are finite aspect of God.

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>>21826127
that one is considerably worse. let me help you out, since you clearly need it.

>> No.21826153

>>21826148
Backwards thinking.
The gods are made infinite by the minds of humanity

>> No.21826156

>>21826088
Dear traveler, why are you in such a hurry? Once you pass this gate, traveler, you may not return. Dear one, to what destination do you journey which requires you to enter through this gate? Must you go such lengths to reach it? Has your destination such beauty, such splendor that you would enter through this gate and walk the thorny way beyond in order to reach it? Beloved wanderer, be not uninformed; the way is narrow and dark, and brambles will tear at you, and the footing is unsure. You are sure to stumble, I promise you! Are you, most esteemed wanderer, one such as would brave that long and lonesome road which leads beyond this gate? Dearly beloved, will you set your foot past the threshold, which holds so much suffering in store?
I will not halt you. I will not bar the way. Your destination is yours to reach; I cannot alter your course. But, dear one... for a moment, remain here with me, hear the birds call, taste the early spring rains on the wind, and think neither of the path beyond the gate nor of that glittering sunset place you journey to, or of the sunset falling behind the cliffs and into the white breast of the sea, at the end of your road -- remain here with me, for just one moment more.

>> No.21826173

>>21826153
Monotheism is a rather recent thing.

>> No.21826187

Stephen Wolfram's computational universe is just Anaxagoras' nous.

>> No.21826195

>>21826173
Irrelevant. Each man has a different god in mind when he devotes himself to it.

>> No.21826219

>>21826195
Cool solipsism

>> No.21826226

To the guy pissing and moaning in the last thread about how there are no longer any opportunities and people just get shuffled into jobs and stay there until they die, that has always been the case for the vast majority of people. Biographies are by definition written about the exceptional. Theodore Roosevelt came from a rich family and was by no means "the rule" of his day. In the 19th century over half the population of the US were employed in agriculture. They weren't out embarking on adventures. They grew up, took the same job as their father, and worked until they couldn't.

>> No.21826280

I know I'm not supposed to enjoy work, but I don't think I'm supposed to hate it this much either.

>> No.21826330

Went to the park to read today and absolutely hated it. There's too much noise, the benches are uncomfortable, you get to watch chads and stacys enjoy youth and you're in the complete mercy of the weather. I like seeing the ducks, swans and squirrels though. Where am i supposed to go to read if i don't want to do it at home, a library, a cofee place?? Please someone give me ideas i fucking hate reading at home

>> No.21826338

>>21826330
Abandoned buildings

>> No.21826350
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>>21826127
People around here have really bad taste on paintings and tend to like the more kitschy things. I dislike English painting for the most part, though I do like Gainsborough.

>> No.21826385

>>21826226
>most people throughout history have been peasant slaves
>therefore you should be happy being a peasant slave too

>> No.21826412

>>21826226
Growing up in an agricultural society is still more fulfilling than our techno-industrial dystopa

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Mood

>> No.21826581

ls it acceptable to lie to your gf sometimes?

>> No.21826600

>>21826385
If you haven't found some way out of the rat race you were born for it, sorry

>>21826412
Do you really believe being an 18th century farmer would be "fulfilling?" Such a thought would have never even crossed their minds

>> No.21826622

>>21826600
>If you haven't found some way out of the rat race you were born for it, sorry
Yeah fuck you too

>> No.21826659

>>21826581
about what?

>> No.21826661

i cannot wait to get some fucking booze in me

>> No.21826672

>>21826581
You can't tell the truth all the time, it's too much. If you find a woman with such a strong grasp on life and love that she can handle constant honesty you're one of the luckiest men on earth.

>> No.21826682

>>21826659
being in love with her

>> No.21826687

>>21826682
I take back what I said, kill yourself now.

>> No.21826719

It would be great if magic and manifesting and all that shit were real. I’d really like to rewind life.

>> No.21826736

Ethan Ralph

>> No.21826752

>>21826661
You really need a dick in you ;)

>> No.21826764

I just got this thing callled an "Okinawa Coffee Milk Tea"
It's just coffee with a fuck ton of cream, sugar, and molasses. The "barrista" looked at me like I was retarded when I declined any "toppings" whicu is nothing more than tapioca balls or red beans or some shit. It was 6 dollars and 75 cents and is about one quarter ice.
Desu, it's not terrible if you're looking for a sugary coffee drink, but these boba places are such an overpriced meme and I despise how my culture has embraced it.

>> No.21826776

im high noe

>> No.21826786

I've been self medicating with these little therapy booklets and workshops. I somehow feel worse. More.. limited. My imagination's stunted. I used to come up with so many stories. My brain's so inflexible. It could never generate anything without feeding it input first. Meaning if I need to unlock my imagination I need to go back to fiction. I would fucking love to do that, but Patti Smith's just kids is such a dry, uninspiring, tedious book that I'm barely advancing in it and it's clogging up my whole tbr. Either that or I've just lost enjoyment even in reading. I know that cannot be true. I was clinically depressed when I flew through 60% of War and peace in a week. It's just a terrible book. And the alternative is Ligotti's Conspiracy against the human race. I'm not even inspired to have a Limerance object and it's spring and this is my yearly hyperfixation season. I'm so bored.

>> No.21826797

>>21826752
no but i hope i see the girl i met the other night
https://youtu.be/s-5Xgw6d3h0

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21826801

Thinking of getting a haircut after letting my hair growout for 2 years, don't know what cut i want however.

>> No.21826816

What if I killed my family's cats (in minecraft)? Just to see what happens haha...
Am I going insane?

>> No.21826842

>>21826786
You can use fiction therapeutically. Horror is extremely therapeutic to me. I read Haunting of Hill House and the main character is literally me. Or recently I read Kurt Vonnugets "Who Am I This Time?" And it helped a lot. Reading The Underground Man made me reflect a lot. Etc etc

>> No.21826938

>>21826687
why?

>> No.21826974

>>21826145
This is (in a manner of speaking) one of the reasons that Christians said Christ was a necessary part of the divine plan. You should have posted this essay as a new thread btw.

>> No.21827093

I was at a bar last night and there was a band playing. I liked the atmosphere so I filmed about 8 seconds of it on my phone. I was standing kinda far back a bit so I got the crowd in my video too. Went back and rewatched the video a while later. I noticed two girls in it, one taps the other on the shoulder and points at me and they both have a disgusted look on their face.

>> No.21827109

>>21826581
Depends on what
Everyone lies to their spouse about some stuff, as long as it isn't harmful or big who cares. White lies keep the peace

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The objective definition for the left-right dichotomy is essentially a battle between Subjectivism and Objectivism, development/hedonism and stasis/temperance.
Development from what? I am not sure yet. I am torn between two possibilities: The furtherest right that a society (in a loose sense) can be is
>1. The primordial Garden of Eden, one man, one woman, and their children.
or
>2. The smallest tribe of related individuals that can successfully propagate the species without inbreeding.

My last note, the State as a political organization is inherently left wing. I am not going to explain why. I just want to know if there are ANY books that relate to my schizo rambling.

>> No.21827213

>>21827170
Not really. Theres a lot of dichotomies in politics and each position can contain very diferrent mixes. Like right now on the "right wing" there's an ongoing debate between realism vs perspectivism and rationalism vs romanticism.

>> No.21827215

just realised i haven't had a cigarette in a week

>> No.21827222

>>21827213
Anything that slides toward these sorts of maxims
>Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
>Man is the measure of all things.
>Truth is what you make it.
>You make your own meaning.
Is a slide towards the left. The "right" of today is just right of the left. I think we've reaches a leftist point-of-no-return because even my thought patterns are infected by some level of leftist criticality.

>> No.21827224

>>21827213
>>21827222
As in, short of a near-extinction event there is no path out of rationalism.

>> No.21827226
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Tending to a woman’s feet is an act of worship and submission. You are being dominated not through sheer force and violence, like men dominate, but through beauty, and the awe and desire that beauty inspires in you. Tending to her feet (pedicure, massage, kissing) is also an act of symbolic castration. You are suppressing your piggish male desire to penetrate and ejaculate and leave, instead working at her pace and her command. Similar to cunnilingus (which is what usually follows after feet play, and only then penetration if you’re lucky).

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>>21826088
Worms belong in the ground.
Theres always more and more, which continually becomes less that never finishes. . All things are mishapen and if it were all cut off right now it would be perfect. OUT . If a limb is amputated, that absent limb is more beautiful than the active limb, because now it's gone and so is perfect because it cannot be anymore.
By thirty your mind will have already solidified into a definite formation that can only be changed in a limited sense. So arguably if by thirty you have not made anything beautiful or that you can call your own, you should just kill yourself, as the rest of the tale is just slow decline unto death.
By middle age cognitive effort becomes so slow and I can see it talking even to a fifty year old how slow their minds have become. The idea that with age one has accumulated more knowledge is just a cope--the elderly have a greater store, but selecting from that great store of knowledge and memories is more laborious.
If you don't right now absorb as much as possible and create in this moment you will be trapped here forever worm-like.
And then I look around me and the artifices we create make us inferior, but that is what we want. We create more beauty in the product that the creator can't measure up to because we entertain the hope that the creator can step into the creation and escape impermanence, such that in creation the creator has emptied himself and now becomes the worm on the ground decomposing bodies so that the plant can grow.
How many died to create the pyramids? How ever many it took. We must enslave our bodies and minds to the creation of something lasting, but it won't last . And so then I see that even the great thing doesn't measure up, and it's not just being tiny in comparison but the machine, even the greatest of things remains just a thing, nothing more.

>> No.21827230

I wonder how much of a pain in the ass it would be to try and write something serious on a smartphone?
Like realistically could a book be done just using the on screen keyboard and voice to text?
I feel like it would be a annoying but not nearly as annoying as handwriting a manuscript.

>> No.21827309

>>21827222
>Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
>Man is the measure of all things.
>Truth is what you make it.
>You make your own meaning.
Yet there's a portion of the left that has moved away from the idea of "man as the measure of all things". For some of the environmentalist left it might be truer to say "man is the measure of no things".
I think it's too simplistic to reduce politics as leftwing = relativism and right objectivism.
Looking at the American right wing, there are strong individualistic or libertarian strains within it.
Also those two positions, relativism v.s objectivism, need not be absolute. It doesn't have to be all one or the other. Some things may be relative--determined by us--and some objective. And some perhaps both subjective and objective. I would classify beauty in the latter. In so far as beauty requires a beholder, but there are certain things which tend to always be seen as beautiful such that there is a kind of logic to our own enjoyment of a beautiful view. I've never heard of a culture where symmetry is viewed as ugly.

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>>21826088
Is suicide a right?

>> No.21827345

Literature that describes that felling of literal nausea you get when you consume media or are around stuff that makes you nostalgic?
I can't listen to some music without feeling it. I can't go to some places in the house I was raised without feeling it

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>>21826088
Bros what the actual fuck. I put some crushed garlic on my chicken breast and then put a lemon slice on top so the garlic wouldnt burn and it turned fucking blue!?!?

I have never seen anything like this in my life, it must be some kind of chemical reaction between the lemon and the garlic, I've never tried to combine the two before, it just occurred to me today that it would be a good way to prevent it burning

>> No.21827350

>>21827325
No.

>> No.21827351

>>21827325
your life doesn't belong to anyone but you. so, it is yours to destroy.

>> No.21827370

>>21827222
you can think along the lines of 'leftist' policies without accepting the whole package. a lot of things the left are preoccupied with were originally right wing, e.g. conservation of the environment

>> No.21827376

>>21827230
I do it all the time. More productive on my smartphone than any other medium. My wife even got me a tiny Bluetooth keyboard to prevent me from blowing out my thumbs.

>> No.21827389
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I am deeply unsatisfied. I feel so alienated and alone. I'm chronically online but not really into anything that would give me a good sense of community. I don't anime, I don't like most video games, or movies, I tried to like DND multiple times but couldn't get into it. I like horror books and paranormal stuff, old liquid television style cartoons, dilbert comics, short story anthologies, but I haven't met anyone whose like me or shares a lot of similar interests. I don't mean this in a "I'm so special" way I'm so fucking lonely and I don't know how to find people like me. I meet some people but aside from my best friend, I just haven't found anyone I can connect to. I've tried liking things just to get along with people, but it doesn't work very well because I can't force myself to like anime. I'm so jealous when I see a group of frat boys or girls walking around in my town, I wish I had a group like that where I felt a sense of belonging.

>> No.21827393

>>21827345
A Clockwork Orange

>> No.21827396

>>21827309
More specifically Subjectivism-Relativism-Materialism(Rationalism) vs. Objectivism-Absolutism-Idealism(Moralism).
>"man is the measure of no things"
Yes, this sort of nihilism is the obvious end-game of leftism.
>Looking at the American right wing, there are strong individualistic or libertarian strains within it.
What I'm saying is that they aren't right wing, and no right-wing party today is right wing except in the sense that it is not as far left as whatever else there is.
Different political groups throughout time have been more or less left-leaning in different respects. The Nazis were materialists, but they still believed in absolute good and evil. Material arguments were used to post-hoc justify their morality and idealistic vision.

How I view all matters is that everything is objective. This cannot be proven, but if we give way to any subjectivity the rest must logically fall away. Beauty is NOT in the eye of the beholder. Differences in perception are a flaw with the eye, not with beauty or the beholder. Differences in morality result from imperfect perception of good and evil, etc.
>>21827370
There is a sense in which the justifications are completely different. I am not going to explain it, but here's an example:
>Leftist: We are heckin destroying le biosphere! Material conditions will decline OR we will see a reduction in profits by 13%
>Rightist: We are heckin destroying le biosphere! This is evil! Here are some material reasons to motivate you.

Yes, it makes rightism look irrational. Irrationality is a core component of rightism. That doesn't mean that they deny using rationality, only that rational thought is a tool that is used to pursue irrational objectives like unprovable ideals.

>> No.21827399

>>21826088
It is snowing and I have 31 seconds until I can post again. The worst snows are always in fall and spring. Like winter show its fullest jealousy. Can’t wait for the green to come in.

>> No.21827407

>>21827389
Become your own friend, fren. We seem like we would be good buddies IRL, except for the Dilbert comic and especially for the short story anthologies.

>> No.21827409

We found an unknown old white man sitting cross-legged in an unmarked cave who didn't react to us when we spoke or touched him. Some time later, we caught him chewing and swallowing something, and, upon closer inspection, by spreading apart his lips, we could see he was biting off and eating his own tongue. They decided not to report him to the police because they thought we should let him commit suicide. A week later, he was still unresponsive in the same spot, and he was still biting off and eating his own tongue; the strangest thing is it appeared his tongue was miraculously regenerating, how can we question it, so we came to the conclusion he must subsist entirely on his blood and miraculous tongue. This was years ago. I'm wondering who he was or what happened to him because none of us went back again.

>> No.21827413

Do you want to know a cool trick? How to make your bathroom smell like ass.
When in the shower, don't clean your ass with a stream of water and don't use soup, just make it wet, right between cheeks, helps if you have hairy ass. Then after you are done dry your ass using a hair dryer. The result is impressive, you wouldn't believe it.

>> No.21827414

>>21827409
>The subtle "they" to distance the narrator from decision to let the guy kill himself.

>> No.21827434
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>>21827309
>>21827370
>STRANGER: There appears to be a sort of war of Giants and Gods going on amongst them; they are fighting with one another about the nature of essence.

>THEAETETUS: How is that?

>STRANGER: Some of them are dragging down all things from heaven and from the unseen to earth, and they literally grasp in their hands rocks and oaks; of these they lay hold, and obstinately maintain, that the things only which can be touched or handled have being or essence, because they define being and body as one, and if any one else says that what is not a body exists they altogether despise him, and will hear of nothing but body.

>THEAETETUS: I have often met with such men, and terrible fellows they are.

>STRANGER: And that is the reason why their opponents cautiously defend themselves from above, out of an unseen world, mightily contending that true essence consists of certain intelligible and incorporeal ideas; the bodies of the materialists, which by them are maintained to be the very truth, they break up into little bits by their arguments, and affirm them to be, not essence, but generation and motion. Between the two armies, Theaetetus, there is always an endless conflict raging concerning these matters.

I support what I'm saying with Plato. Socrates and Plato were ancient rightists battling in that 'war of Giants and Gods' against subjectivism. I think the entire narrative of human history is this slide towards leftism and the inevitable, predestined fall of man.

>> No.21827435

>>21826350
Brother and sister
Terrible looking birds. I’ve seen Gainsborough’s Blue Boy and he looks human. Is this one from when he was an apprentice or something?

>> No.21827442

>>21827376
Interesting.
Any app you prefer or do you just go for it with what's available by default?
Do you do your proof reading and editing on the phone too?
And what kind of stuff do you like to write?

>> No.21827445

>>21827389
Shortsleeve third panel!

>> No.21827472

>>21827396
>Subjectivism-Relativism-Materialism(Rationalism)
I dont like how yoy used rationalism to define those qualities. The rationalists were the biggest into objective assessment of reality. Descartes and Spinoza were far from relativists. Which is exactly what caused romanticism to arise in reaction. Rationalists sought to universalize man, which is seen in left wing movements, while the romantics sought to bring subjective passion manifest in the tribe, which is the basis for right wing movements. You have everything backwarss because you're too reductionjst

>> No.21827508

>>21827472
I meant to bind Materialism and Rationalism, not all the rest before that.
>subjective passion manifest in the tribe, which is the basis for right wing movements
No, it's not. That's leftist poison. Think of it like a winding slope, continuously trending downards as we approach more closely to the conclusion of leftism. The many self-aware subjective appeals of rightists are copes used by people that want to approach their irrational morals, yet are unwilling or afraid to abandon leftist thought. These are simply ideas set upon local maxima which, like every other, will come tumbling down into leftism.

The absolute maximum of rightism is "it's good because it just is," there needn't be any thought behind it. Besides, rightism didn't begin in "CURRENT YEAR - X", it began as soon as human beings were conscious entities, and fades as our level of abstraction grows.

>> No.21827509

i need to love women even more, i need to love them more and more. at the end i will get one wife

>> No.21827578

>>21827442
>App
Google Docs
>Proofing and process
It depends. I work as a bus driver, so I usually have my mini-typing kit on me for action when I need to get an idea down. More heavy duty sessions are at my PC.
>Style
I am currently working on a horror short story collection. All the stories are set in my home state of Wyoming.

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>>21827508

>> No.21827650

>>21827578
Very cool.
I wish you well in your workings and might give it a shot myself.

I am away from my computer most of the time and been using it as a excuse not to write. But I always have my phone on me so why not write using it.

>> No.21827668

Recommend me "classical" music

>> No.21827671

>>21827668
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Tr0otuiQuU

>> No.21827741

>>21827668
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c29z4yBfxTk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RayiAUhForQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBAFIHCCaNQ

Rubinstein is the GOAT. I can't find the cleanest versions of 21 & 23 anymore, only recordings of records.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfLk5VKs5sQ#t=30m47s

And something different and underappreciated
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unwYTiU6rDc

>> No.21827803

>>21827741
Gubb

>> No.21827813 [DELETED] 

>>21827668
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDicZxLP2R4

>> No.21827815

>>21826088
It is odd to know that only God, and I mean only, not merely loves but also likes you. It's not lonely, nor demeaning, nor painful, but in the ultimate sense it's humbling. I feel like a misfit in every sense and the conformity I feel is just a lie - not that I don't love people because I do - but the deeper and nearer anyone gets the mask merely gets more exacting and less true. I hate nothing and yet I am void. There's this derangement in the chastity of the song of house sparrows and their accidental orchestra and "Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner." Are the only prayers I can stomach.

>> No.21827834 [DELETED] 

>>21827668
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLFVGwGQcB0
man i can't wait for the apple music classical app to drop next tuesday

>> No.21827895

>>21827815
You don't say the our father?

>> No.21827934

>>21827309
>Man is the measure of all things.
This is true but the things are still there.The "big other" exists or we wouldn't be finding new things. Material suffering is not punishment for something you did but that doesn't mean you aren't judged.
https://youtu.be/tABnznhzdIY

>> No.21828023

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1ww1IXRfTA

>> No.21828157

Have you never had the desire to start a gang

>> No.21828190

>>21827413
Wait, you put soap in your ass?

>> No.21828195

>>21827508
Well you've just made an arbitrary distinction. It's literally just your opinion man.

>> No.21828197

>>21827413
Why in the fuck would I own a "hair dryer?" You think I'm some kind of faggot? But now I'm so curious about this I may have to buy one. How much does one cost?

>> No.21828206

>>21827346
Can someone please validate my emotional state of finding it not normal that my garlic turned neon blue

Have you ever seen anything remotely like this? I know it's not the best picture but zoom in, they shit is bright vivid blue even if pale

>> No.21828210

>>21827346
Neat

>> No.21828211

>>21826088
My coffee machjine is busted.

>> No.21828281

>>21827346
Wow thats cool. How does it taste?

>> No.21828293

>>21827413
Wow thats cool. How does it taste?

>> No.21828312

>>21828281
It wasn't terrible but not ideal either. The garlic wasnt quite cooked enough and the lemon didnt really complement the other flavors I had on it.

It's a problem because I cook my chicken breast for 45min but crushed garlic in the oven at that temperature can only handle 30min before it hardens. The answer is probably to take the chicken out after 15 minutes and then put the garlic on but I am lazy I guess

>> No.21828313

>>21827346
My father is a food scientist. So I grew up on a good chemical diet and learned how to make my own homeopathic medicines. He does this kitchen science all the time. you are right. The amino acids in garlic are sometimes turned blue by the acid. So are some potatoes, so frozen potato starch waffles, some waffles turn blue if served partly with lemon. It can also happen in pickling. Some onions, when old, will turn a bit blue because the skin and flesh are oxidized. It's funny, but I don't recommend you eat the old ones, you'll maybe die.

>> No.21828324

>>21827614
You don't notice any common themes amongst rightist thought? It isn't individualism. There is a reason to discover the common themes in political history.

>> No.21828329

>>21828312
Wow thats cool

>> No.21828336

My prefrontal cortex is fried.

>> No.21828384

Stop thinking and see.

>> No.21828416

I hope my boyfriend's ex girlfriend becomes bald. And also develops a terminal illness.

>> No.21828436

I love posting on 4chan. I missed it so much. I miss spending 14 hours here now that I'm busy with a lot of shit.
I have so much fun everytime I come here.

>> No.21828542

At this point I don't care about having a gf. I just want to stop being lazy and start being more productive but I can't establish goals without feeling overwhelmed.

>> No.21828544

jesys fucign chrisyt i rally dod it tonight....

>> No.21828549

>>21828416
stooop I don't care about your boyfriends ex girlfriends

>> No.21828587

What does public and private mean in the age of the online?

>> No.21828591

>>21828544
Did what

>> No.21828594

>>21828591
i drank a lot but i kjust pulled myself back togeter . i thnk im alright now.

>> No.21828604
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21828604

Yeah, I think we're gonna be alright.
https://youtu.be/LQiOA7euaYA

>> No.21828609

>>21828549
I still want her to develop cancer.

>> No.21828612

Im a very angry person yet I understand that my anger is meaningless. It only makes me more angrier.

>> No.21828616

>>21828609
Why?

>> No.21828620

>>21828616
I hate her. She almost ruined my precious flower. Also, she is a roastie whore. Thankfully she has never slept with my boyfriend.

>> No.21828631

Imagine a girl caring about me

>> No.21828645

>>21828631
I cant.

>> No.21828659

On Earth, love causes things to fall to the ground at ~9.8 m/s2.

>> No.21828663

>>21828620
You give of psycho vibes

>> No.21828707

>>21828631
This >>21828620 is just a tranny larper. Don't worry so much.

>> No.21828738

>had a dream about kissing my sister in the shower again
How do I make it stop?

>> No.21828744

>>21828663
I don't know what's wrong with me.
>>21828707
I am a cis (bio) female.

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This classic remained irrefutable

>> No.21828860

The writing of history by its very nature cannot be anything else but the appropriation of the past for the benefit of the historian's patron(s). That is all that historiography ever was and ever will be.

>> No.21828868

>>21828324
>You don't notice any common themes amongst rightist thought?
Sure, of course, but your account that right-wing = embrace of "objectivism" whereas the left-wing embraces relativism/subjectivism is an absurd simplification of the history of political thought.
The notion of natural rights--a liberal one-suggests an objective moral basis. Locke places these rights beyond question as God-given and inviolable.
Likewise a Marxist clearly believes that at least one thing is objective: the inevitable teleological march of history onward.

>> No.21829029

>>21828868
This is what I alluded to earlier. Rationalism and this trend towards objective reality is really prevelant among leftists wheras most right wing movements are Romantic.

>> No.21829030

I hate myself

>> No.21829061

>>21827895
>You don't say the our father?
nah i do

>> No.21829063

>>21829030
I love you even if you've serially raped kids. It happened to me and the blunt truth is the only crime is unrepentance - being a victim of a crime just isn't that bad.

>> No.21829114

>>21829063
Holy shit dude I never did anything half that bad. I just hate myself because I'm an unpleasant person

>> No.21829118

>>21829114
stop being unpleasant, then

>> No.21829122

>>21829118
I can't do that. I'm too bitter

>> No.21829168

>>21829122
examine your life as if you were one of those super poor people in the Philippines that live in garbage dumps. Hard to be bitter then.

>> No.21829231

>>21829168
I dont know about that

>> No.21829250

Why does the hero sacrifice sight for knowledge? Why does the sage live on a bare mountain? How can you know anything when everything seems to be its own opposite?

>> No.21829253

>>21829250
Those arent opposites
They are analogies

>> No.21829256

When I chat with younger people I remind myself I'm 35 and I feel like a creep. Like I'm not supposed to talk to 20 something women. Am I a creep? I don't wanna be old. I legitimately want to die when I think that my 20s and meeting 20 year old girls is entirely past me. I don't wanna deal with 35 year old people they're so fucking hollowed out
this is some of the worst despair I've felt and it's only gonna get worse

>> No.21829287

I use so many words to hyper-intellectualize a very simple, basic problem. I need to hold myself accountable at the end of the day. I keep harping on about a crisis of meaning, about not belonging, about being disillusioned, lacking passion etc. Passion isn't really innate. It's manufactured. It's doing something around the same hour, in a similar way, long enough for its absence to induce actual anxiety. I'm just a creature of habits, and of small incremental changes. Nothing will save me except myself. Yet I keep waiting for something.. Like someone to come and wave a big wand and change me from within. Even suicide has retreated to the big pile of things that I would wish for instead of taking actionable steps towards. Why am I not a human being. Why do I struggle with pretending? Why do I let these impulsive currents dictate my behaviors?

>> No.21829289

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rWqVKwEVAzY
If I knew at that second...
If I knew at that moment...

>> No.21829290

>>21827351
Your life doesn't belong to you. It belongs to your landlord and the taxman.

>> No.21829310

>>21829253
The questions have a theme but don't relate directly to each other like you're thinking. The oldest sages like Hermes and Heraclitus said everything is its own opposite and their mess of contradictions were precursors to logic. The post is one of a million attempts to break your demonic conditioning, which is only possible through impressions that encourage thinking, not formal logic.
Notice the posts after yours, how they're all about lack of meaning. Your post fits that pattern, the people complaining about lack of meaning also dismiss it when it's presented to them, they reduce it to meaninglessness and then complain about it.

>> No.21829340

>>21829030
everyone does

>> No.21829346

>>21828211
If you can set up a filter then just use the pot method until you get a new one.

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>>21826088
What it is you need to forgive your mother and father for?

Like be really honest with yourself

>> No.21829393

>>21829367
I was molested when I was 6 and they did nothing for the sake of quiet living. I was bullied and they did nothing for the sake of quiet living. They never protected me. My father especially was a coward. I spit on his grave.

>> No.21829406

>>21829231
well how about you try instead of just marinating in your bitchy attitude.

>> No.21829410

Sometimes I think that the logic behind posting on social media and discussion forums is similar to gambling. I post something, other people may or may not reply. If they don't, then it feels kinda bad, but if they do, and even better, if they answer positively, I get a dopamine hit. Though I may also get rekt in the response, and that may also feel bad. So I guess posting on the internet is basically dopamine gambling, which is why people end up so addicted to it, especially on platforms where posting is expected to be low effort and feedback is fast.

>> No.21829417

>>21829367
the custody battle that fucked me up real bad, and their mental issues I had to suffer through.

>> No.21829458

>>21829393
>My father especially was a coward. I spit on his grave.

Coward in what way?

>>21829417
>the custody battle that fucked me up real bad, and their mental issues I had to suffer through
Did you mother use the custody battle for good intentions or was it mostly as a way to try and use you (and siblings if you have them) to hurt your dad?

Were your mother's that narcisitic or overbearing that your father's just shut down or straight up left her, failing to protect you from her ways?

>> No.21829493

>>21829367
Who said that you "need to" forgive anything for anyone? Why?

>> No.21829540
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21829540

Mine eyes have seen the glory of the trampling at the zoo
We wash ourselves in nigger blood and all the mongrels too
We're taking down the ZOG machine, jew by jew by jew
The white man marches on

>> No.21829543

>>21829458
>Did you mother use the custody battle for good intentions or was it mostly as a way to try and use you (and siblings if you have them) to hurt your dad?
>
>Were your mother's that narcisitic or overbearing that your father's just shut down or straight up left her, failing to protect you from her ways?
neither. my mom was scared she'd lose custody of us, so she took us and fled to Germany. Dad got us back, but I remember being over my dad's shoulder, screaming for my mother while she just stood there and cried, as he walked away with me. That's deep monkey-brain trauma.

And I'm pretty sure my dad has undiagnosed borderline, or something like that. He was either happy and playful, or screaming mad, and nothing in between. He never really hurt us physically, but we were the kind of kids that learned to go hide in our room when he got home, so we didn't accidentally set him off somehow.

I love my parents, but there are things they don't deserve to know

>> No.21829544

Have any of you guys done an MFA in Creative Writing or an MA in Literature (English, Comparative, etc.) and would say it was worth it? I have a BS in Economics but I’m not willing to do another BA.

>> No.21829549

>>21829114
>Holy shit dude I never did anything half that bad. I just hate myself because I'm an unpleasant person
Just treat people as they are - divinely valuable.

>> No.21829556

>>21829493
It helps lift that evil burden/resentment feeling you are carrying so that you can become the person you are truly supposed to be.

If you think about it, a lot of people's problems seem to stem from this. Like take daddy issues, or all issues that stem from single parenthood households or absentee father's. It pretty always stems from a mother who was very difficult to be around that the father just had to leave or was pushed out. The ones who stay with these types of women end up shells of themselves just so they can survive.
Then in both situations the children always end up suffering. It's interesting because when you analize ppl in your own lives who "have issues", it most often than not always goes back to the parents in some way or another which makes sense since they are the first 1 or 2 people in their world

>> No.21829583

> all of the greats start in their 20s

>> No.21829596

>>21829556
huh?

>> No.21829605

>>21829596
huh?-posting again?

>> No.21829685

I want to goddamn write but everytime I wake up, excited and with ideas, my husband wants to go out. It's like he's got a 6th sense for it. Two days ago I woke up and felt great, got some stuff down, then my husband wanted to go to the barcade. Yesterday got busy, only got a little down, then today woke up excited and ready and he walked in and wants to take a daytrip to the neighboring city. AUUUUUGH!

>>21829544
go for it, I regret not majoring in creative writing. I majored in communications and got a job as a technical writer, but quit after being a SAHM and now prefer writing. As long as you're going to a decent school the MFA writing program should be decent enough to get you a career

>> No.21829695

It's quiet. Where is everyone? I can hear the humming of my computer, the crackling of the hard disc. The brushing of leaves against each other, the distant chirping of crickets. The gentle wave-like whooshing of passing cars. Take away the thoughts and intentions, and this has been my entire life. Is this the real quietus?

>> No.21829713

Why is God punishing me by humiliation?

>> No.21829781

>>21828631
couldnt be me

>> No.21829865

I learn more and I am way more coherent when I am confessional and when I discuss.

Why is that?

>> No.21829908

>>21829865
Perhaps because you're afraid of being honest with yourself. Maybe there is some historical precedent in your life which causes you to believe trusting your truest thoughts will lead to an undesirable outcome. Try to become confessional with yourself rather than others, this is called making your inner self supportive, or "thinking from the heart."

>> No.21829937

>>21829908
I don't understand anything about myself or the world. I feel so damn lost anon.

>> No.21829969

>>21829937
No one does. But you know how to start with yourself. You already know how to confess your true thoughts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx83rc_Lhac

>> No.21830133

>>21829969
I hecking love war. How do I express that love without irony when I also hate war?

>> No.21830145

When I think about how I’ve spent the last few years I want to shoot myself. I hate who I am, what I do. I feel like I was meant to do something particular, but then I look at myself and I consider what I want for myself and these things seem so far apart I lose hope entirely.

>> No.21830166

>>21829256
>Like I'm not supposed to talk to 20 something women.
Spooked, you hate to see it.

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>>21828612
https://youtu.be/cVWkboJHz7M

>> No.21830182
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https://youtu.be/cVWkboJHz7M

>> No.21830194

>>21830049
> What you say refutes itself by contradiction.
No.
>It is pretty similar to "There are no facts, only interpretations"
This is a truism and negates your first line smoothly, thanks.
>The argument is itself serious an interpretation and not a fact.
The fact is, as I have already said, that life is indifferent to your feelings and is full of potentials and challenges. ‘You take the good and the bad’ is another truism that you cannot escape from. You want a life of guaranteed comfort and light, and you probably once believed in a heaven that looked like this and are now just sad you can’t have it.
Glad the janny deleted your slop. Take your diseased mind out of here and do something about it.

>> No.21830210

Not wanting to be an inauthentic euphemism use doesnt give you a blank check to be as obnoxious and deliberatedly unpleasant as possible

>> No.21830237

>>21830194
Neither of those are truisms. Are you mentally defective?

>> No.21830250

>>21830237
There are no facts only interpretations. What, are you retarded?

>> No.21830270

Do you think someone should be going to graduate school in their 30s? I know technically they’re not too old but it does seem like something one should’ve completed in their 20s.

>> No.21830311

I'm an autist. A social one. I wish I could be regular one and just live in my own imaginary world.

>> No.21830328

I feel like absolute shit. I have no reason to live

>> No.21830349

>>21830270
>Do you think someone should be going to graduate school in their 30s? I know technically they’re not too old but it does seem like something one should’ve completed in their 20s.
it doesn't matter, the only thing that matters is whether or not (You) are happy

>> No.21830350

>>21828868
>>21829029
Rationalism isn't a trend towards objective reality. If someone believes in something untestable and unprovable, like Ideal forms or God, or pseudoscience, and they believe that that is objective reality, then it's a trend towards "objectivism." Let me put it this way: If someone has an outright falsified view of reality, if they believe that it is the objective and absolute truth, then they are objectivists, because they believe that there is an objective truth. I mean this in the case of everything; a true objectivist would believe in absolute truth, good, evil, beauty, and completely separate from human beings.

Rationalism isn't really a trend towards "objective reality," it's a trend towards predictive power.

>> No.21830362

>>21828868
>>21829029
What I'm trying to say is that you identify Romanticism or right wing values with subjectivism because you don't see their values as objectively real, but based on a subjective opinion of "good and evil." This is reversing the problem. The characteristic of objectivism is the belief that the subjective is objective, faith that one's perception is enough to know it, and that somehow, the feelings will divine the objective goods and objective evils.
In contrast, the leftist is objective only insofar as he uses rational thought to increase predictive power, but he understands that he has no way of knowing for sure what objective truth is. He only has his subjective view of reality, which could be wrong.

>> No.21830366

water ice salt ayy

also trips

>> No.21830370

>>21830366
fuck

>> No.21830376

>>21830350
>>21830362
>>21828868
>>21829029
And as for rationalism not being a trend towards objective reality: imagine you're a brain in a jar, or in a dream. Your rationalism only serves to discover more about your non-real dreamscape. It doesn't trend towards an objective understanding of anything other than your subjective experience of "the world."

>> No.21830380

>>21829367
I don't need to forgive anything, all that has been said has been said. They probably won't find a son in me and it isn't their fault. Not anymore at least. This is what happens when you let your children raise themselves. I wish I could talk to them and act like family but I can't. I just don't feel the need for something like that. The muscle atrophy started a long time ago and there isn't anything to build a foundation on. I'm pretty sure they can notice all of this themselves when they want to talk about memories and have to dig up things between 2007 and 2012 as this is the only period where they have something substantial to talk about. Outside of these five years, I either was too young to remember anything or they don't have anything to remember because they stopped caring.

>> No.21830430

>>21829367
finally accepting myself so I could stop blaming parents for their clueless fuckups

>> No.21830544

>>21829367
>mother
nothing
>father
leaving me when l was a baby

>> No.21830565

>>21826088
I haven't read a page in over 2 days. I feel like working is just an excuse for people to avoid reeading.

>> No.21830583
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>>21826148
>Said nothing in particular.

>> No.21830590

>>21826568
That's what she wants now is it.

>> No.21830605

>>21826719
Clueless. Pathetic. Desperate.

>> No.21830630

I miss her so much it's fucking unreal

>> No.21830643

>>21830630
who?

>> No.21830712
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21830712

They say genius has a certain flicker in the eye. Do you believe it?
I think I do.

>> No.21830730
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21830730

Saw a guy walking through campus with a corgi the other day. Women kept asking to "pet his dog." Is this the easiest way to get pussy? You literally get women coming to you.

>> No.21830749

i wanna die desu

>> No.21830760 [SPOILER] 

>>21830730
>corgi
fucking reddit dog

>> No.21830783

>>21830730
To a certain extent, yes. If you look like weird creep even the world's cutest dog won't help you. You also need to be able to seal the deal, most of the time they just pet the dog and move on

>> No.21830792

>>21830730
Every guy has caught on to this. There's high dogflation in the hoe market right now.

>> No.21830827

>>21827093
flash fiction masterpiece

>> No.21830899

>>21829556
Only the weak forgive.

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>>21826330
>he doesn't have a garden
move out of the city retard

>> No.21830911

>>21830730
>I have a westie
>girl asks if she can pet it
>no
no one touches my westie

>> No.21830935

>>21826088
I feel like I've been stuck in the same loop for three goddamn years now. Nothing has changed except the amount of hair on my face and the weariness in my eyes.

>> No.21830954

I've changed my book's opening like 4 times now. It's probably not going to get written. I want to die but probably can't do it. Oh well. Hopefully my substitute application goes on through.

>> No.21831015

>>21830911
good man

>> No.21831031

>>21830730
"Nothing says confidence like the gait of a corgi."

>> No.21831032

Do people from the Midwest enjoy living there? Please reply (not Chicagoans)

>> No.21831158

>>21826088
She said that she can't see anything happening between us and that she is too tired and busy for relationships (even platonic ones). And I said okay I get it.

I've spent the past two weeks trying to forget about her, unfollowed her on socials, told myself that girls like her are a dime a dozen, that there are other /lit/ zoomer girls out there who share my cultural background but I miss speaking to her and I'm thinking of reaching out to try to rekindle something. How to do this...

Part of me thinks I should wait until later, when I am less emotional, and can handle any outcome, but by then maybe it will be too late. Another part of me thinks that in time this wound will scab over and be silently integrated into the other failures but I don't want to give up..

>> No.21831295

>>21830730
Lol I literally just got a corgi and I'm gonna do this

>> No.21831306

>>21829310
How do I escapethinking and embrace logic

>> No.21831347

Reading Berling 1945 made me feel very sad every time I see people posting about it in any way, there's lots of memes about hitler, stalin, holocaust, ww2 in general that I never minded but it feels like reading this stripped me off a lot of cynicism and irony that's I've had built up by using internet, now I just feel terrible whenever I see any of it mentioned anywhere

>> No.21831368

>>21830544
He didn't leave you, he left your mother because she must have been difficult to be around. You need to forgive your mother for pushing your father away

>> No.21831388

>>21831306
Don't know what you mean, you want to quiet your mind?
I was working in an old dusty barn, the rarely seen sun came through cracks in the walls and created beams of dust. The entire universe conspired to make god rays.
You can think of them as being made of light or being made of shadows. How you think of them doesn't change them, they were always just what they are, neither and both darkness and light.
So uh stare at a candle or something and try to forget you know words.

>> No.21831460

>>21826145
I have a few thoughts that may or may not be pertinent here.
>every Good must be a reflection (however dim) of his nature
1) Everything finite is contained within infinity
2) every Act is not Good or bad, but varying Good, that is to say that anything done finitely ever is at least some amount of Good, because it is not possible for anything but an infinite being such as God to commit the infinitely bad.
>Is not tragedy something beautiful in itself?
"All satisfaction, or what is commonly called happiness, is really and essentially always negative only, and never positive. It is not a gratification which comes to us originally and of itself, but it must always be the satisfaction of a wish" - Arthur Schopenhauer

>> No.21831474

>>21826672
wouldnt denying the ability of someone to impact our personality when we're with them just be consciously blockading catalysts for any thoughts? this would be impossible even after selfacknowledgement and then youve got to wonder if its more sinister to analyse and decide or allow "genuine" affect.

>> No.21831477

I love cheese pizza.

>> No.21831554

>>21829549
its my first day here and im 27 and thank fuck im not the only one that thinks like this

>> No.21831593

Quick help me out. I planned this evening to dirnk by myself and do nothing much at all. I didn't have this for months. Now my gf came home earlier and she demands my attention. Should I just tell to leave me alone? I already did actually so...

>> No.21831621

>>21831460
>anything done finitely ever is at least some amount of Good

I can imagine many things that would by no sane person be considered even remotely 'good'. Ethics is a cope.

>> No.21831644

>>21831593
It's easier to start conditioning your mind in a direction you want when you're young. This choice you made represents a pattern that will lead to misery. It's based if you choose this path of misery to accomplish something greater otherwise it's cringe.

>> No.21831695

>>21831621
>The first is the absolute Goodness of God. It is clear that if God is absolutely Good, then his essence must embrace all possible Goods. This does not mean that God must be directly responsible for all Goods in the world, but rather that every Good must be a reflection (however dim) of his nature. Thus when someone helps an old lady across the street, it may be said that he is a Godly man, for his actions reflect the loving nature of God.
Following my comment of
>every Act is not Good or bad, but varying Good
the statement could be rewritten as:
>The first is the absoluteness of God. It is clear that if God is absolute, then his essence must embrace all possible things. This does not mean that God must be directly responsible for all in the world, but rather that everything must be a reflection (however dim) of his nature. Thus when someone acts, it may be said that he is man, for his actions reflect the nature of God.
and then you actually are left with the boring 'God is all powerful' cope. this isn't ethics of man its the ethics of the expressment within finity if infinity is bothered to be observed as possible to begin with. mortally, its improvable but mostly probable that for every intent and purpose that could affect us (finite beings) we should only care about finite actions and finite consequences, so the existence of god(s) becomes irrelevant (agnosticism given right through both survival of the atheistic humans (no god) and divine coincidence of the universe/planet/species(watchmaker god))

>> No.21831718

>>21831644
>ends justify the means bro just create excess divergent anxiety for the universe by choosing lol

>> No.21831744

how can free will exist if we're a collection of smaller indivisible particles that don't themselves have any reason to exhibit free will except alongside each other in a set pattern that can only propel itself forward in a method based on the pattern not on the constituents themselves?
if our existence is kept alive only by our conscience, and the conscience is the end to end process of consuming stimulus, and our brain is the centre of all stimuli processing, and our brain uses electrical and chemical signals between cells to operate, is our conscience the spearhead of the stream of energy jumping from cell to cell, is it the muon/gluon at the tip of the electron buzzing at the outermost point of that 'zap' in my head? what is the last thing that biologically occurs to mark the line between life and death? which cell needs to stop doing its job? which molecule in that cell will be the one that doesn't get replaced *enough* that it will inevitably stop working?
i know this is all hurr muh science will figure it out but at the same time I think it comes to a head at why would we even draw that distinction when we already have a good enough idea of what 'dead' and 'alive' means. i think it would only ever matter in a context where we can even access the scope of affect and its unlikely we will ever experience time at that rate but again, everything only happens at the timespeed that it does because of its size and energy, not because of any pre-coded variable the universe has dialed into a setting on runtime. also fuck me how can i buy a book without worrying about the jewy corporations getting money and then feeling bad that my work was written on pages produced by a soulless cumgloberate? i want a book but i dont want to cut my own trees and make my own paper, i want something with soul without turning to the fucking massproduced shit that makes me feel unclean and hypocritical if i was to be using it to write anything i expect to respect myself

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For a homework assignment for my religion class (I'm not going to college to study religion it's a required class) I have to write about the binding of Issac and explain how God can be seen as good without taking the whole "it was a test" angle. I'm thinking about just putting in my own view that God can not be seen as good with a quote from Plutarch thrown in. Is this a good idea? I don't really know the professor's views on the subject.

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>>21831032
No.

>> No.21831784

>>21831778
You'll fail because it will demonstrate that you cannot follow the assignment.

>> No.21831799

You don't want to be you.

>> No.21831819

>>21831784
It's only 1/3 of the assignment and I'm already getting good grades. I'm so fucking sick of repeating this guy's views back to him.

>> No.21831839

>>21831778
if you're required to judge God's actions or intentions you need to set the criteria
if you decide to judge God based on the outcome, there is no net change to Abraham or Isaac's lives except the lesson that they can both take from it, which is muddy but overall is that prophetic truth and realized truth are equal, and that neither wins because god can stop the prophecy (abraham) at any time
you cant argue god is good because hes the cunt that told abe to kill his son then also pulled the big lol jk and hoped it would serve to teach the paranoid schizophrenic to just trust his hallucinations because 'haha they wouldnt make you kill your son silly ive ALWAYS got your back kiddo'

>> No.21831847

the world keeps growing because it does not know that it is already complete.

>> No.21831851

>>21831799
I'm not me

>> No.21831853

>>21831799
Who does?

>> No.21831887

I'm happy

>> No.21831888

I can't focus on my philosophy lectures because there's too many qts in my class. We need men only unis just like the woman only unis.

>> No.21831922

Praying for my boyfriend's ex girlfriend to drown herself.

>> No.21831935

SILENCE

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>>21831887
So good to hear.

>> No.21831970

Quidquid recipitur ad modum recipientis recipitur

>> No.21831979

>>21831922
Ew a woman.

>> No.21832059

>>21829256
Unless you're very successful and want a sugar baby type deal, it might not be realistic. At 20 my top dating range was 28 anything past that and you'll come across as a little weird. Are the women at least chatting with you in return? If you're matching on tinder and not approaching them in public it's better
I am not saying age gaps cant work though, I was 23 and my husband was 30 when I met him and we get along very well, I never think about the age gap. Your main draw if you are looking younger is being well established, my husband was established which was a draw over men my age. He was almost more mature and respectful, and wanted to settle down, which is what I was looking for. Another thing though, is if a woman wants children your age is going to be a consideration. I had 30 as my max at any point because after 32 men's sperm runs some risks. Also, it is harder to relate over very large age gaps. It depends on how deep into 20s you're looking, I think at 25 and above women would be find with it but if you are holding out for something younger than that, you need to consider you are competing against boys she's going to college with and men who are maybe 30 and established. I would just mitigate and keep your options open, at 35 you can settle down and have children fine, but chasing college girls into your 40s is like buying scratch offs as a retirement plan

>> No.21832125

>dating a jap girl
>grandma lost her dad in the pacific theater
I'm sorry grandma

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>>21832125
I hope he was a Kamikaze pilot... For your sake....

>> No.21832159

>>21831888
I am confident the male libido is one of society's biggest obstacles for social progress

Imagine if we were all eunuchs, free from our worldly desires, free to engage in artistic pursuit and social collaboration

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>>21832125
Yeah, who’s grandma?

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>>21831032
No, it is as dull as you imagine. This copypasta someone posted accurately sums up what it's like to live here.

>They're nobodies. Literal losers. Proles that deserve nothing. Imagine tieing the knot and living in a place like that. Imagine wearing a gawdy monthly subscription made in China watch that makes everyone who looks at you know you're poor to the point its worse than wearing no watch at all. Imagine ostentatiously putting your sunglasses in your front pocket with the arm delibately hanging out as if Oakleys are a status symbol (rich people wear Persols, Matsuda, Oliver Peoples, etc which don't need a brand name plastered on the side). Imagine having some shitty BBQ with a BTU output as low as their combined IQs instead of a Wolf. Imagine having neighbors on all sides of you. Imagine actually getting a mortgage for such a crappy house. Imagine, if you will, then needing to work every day to support all of this mediocrity. Imagine having a kid and the absolute hell of a life he would have growing up in such an existence, with vein egostical parents obsessed keeping up the appearances in the worst way. Imagine taking such good care of your ugly as sin face (both of them) to the point the guy obviously has an Rx for tretinoin yet failing to do something as simple as power washing the mold and filth off of the vinyl siding hiding their particleboard home. There is no reason any sane person wouldn't kill themselves before getting to that situation. I could understand if the guy was single, in despair but he actually thinks he's made it to the point he is settling down. These people are coping hard and this is only explained by low IQ and drug use. They've squandered their limited income on tattooes and diamond nubs for the guys ear puncture wounds. I bet they get high every night on weed and drink white claws. I would also bet they drive a sort of new basic bitch Mercedes or BMW or Audi or most fittingly, Infinity, well beyond their budget but it's OK they budgeted the $3000 a month they bring in together after tax and can "afford" the $500 a month payment and premium insurance for such a lien. When I see people like this, I always thank God for making me me and not people like them.

>> No.21832188

>>21832169
reads like cope honestly

>> No.21832191

>>21832188
Cope from who? He doesn't even know those people (yes, they and everyone else here are as lame as he writes however).

>> No.21832197

>>21832159
We have transsexual eunuchs now and they’re none of that.

>> No.21832205

>>21831032
dude, you live in canada.

>> No.21832209

>>21832197
That's because their libedo is what made them the eunuchs in the first place

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>>21831032

>> No.21832211

After 7 years, A Fox in Space episode 2 is premiering in 20 minutes. I don't think any quality could justify a wait that long but let's see.

>> No.21832214

>>21832211
I’ve seen that. Why’d he take so long? Passion project or something?

>> No.21832216

>>21832197
Mostly autogynephiles that went through male puberty and spent their formative years being degenerate on the internet, who are also on HRT

>> No.21832221

>>21832211
where? his twitch is offline. i've never seen the show, but i watch his twitch sometimes just to see him use his tricked out blender scripts.

>> No.21832226

pewdiepie is on twitch now and boiler room is premiering videos on apple music. two more big Ls for youtube. google fast turning into a zombie company people only use for email like yahoo.

>> No.21832227

>>21832214
I think he started the whole thing over in 2018 when he learned how to use Blender. Otherwise, no clue. Probably general laziness.
>>21832221
YouTube, I got the notification

>> No.21832238

I got swatted down by the girl I'm crushing on. She's funny, into hand crafts, lit, and pretty much every cool interest anyone can have. Not addicted to Tik Tok either, which is hard at my age.

Where the fuck will I ever find someone like her again?

>> No.21832269

>>21832238
when i was walking home early i saw some chick sitting on the side of the bike path sobbing into her phone and i thought no girl will ever care about you to cry like that. i don't care but i did kinda think like what kind of charisma does it take to have someone cry like that.

>> No.21832274

>>21832227
60 seconds let's goooo! how long are these usually btw? i hope it's at least like 20 minutes.

>> No.21832300

You’re such a coward. How can you just ignore me and refuse to deal with what you did? It’s not fair.

>> No.21832316

Eating PB&J
Drinking milk

>> No.21832321

>>21832316
gonna make a sandwich because of your post

>> No.21832353

>>21831718
What? No just don't train yourself to become an asshole unless you want to become an asshole.

>> No.21832389

>>21832274
40 minutes, at least it was a nice long experience. Worth 7 years' wait? I don't think so, but it was at least as good if not better than I thought it would be. It looks awesome and the dialogue is actually surprisingly well-written.

>> No.21832463

>>21832389
ya that was really enjoyable. glad i got to see it on the premier too.

>> No.21832473

>>21832160
My girlfriend's grandma.
My gf's great grandfather was KIA in Okinawa. I heard life for the family was really hard afterwards because they also lost a lot of family members in LeMay's bombing campaign.
The way my gf phrased the story makes me think her grandma was a pan pan girl or something who fucked American GIs for food and money.

>> No.21832495

>>21832269
Charisma doesn't necessarily have anything to do with it

>> No.21832545

>>21832238
I am going through the same thing and you absolutely will at some point. Let yourself grieve it and feel it and move on. Watch Huberman talk about breakups and grief. Next time you meet a girl like that make sure you are a better man, or at least better in every respect. Not for her, but for yourself— the girl should never be the focus but some higher ideal. Your striving will be recognized by others.

>>21832269
Why should you waste time giving a fuck about a hypothetical person like that? When all that is doing is preventing you from becoming the man you could be. Self-pitying navel gazing gets you nowhere in life and if you go nowhere in life you will get nowhere with women.

>> No.21832562

If angels are real, why isn’t mine guarding me?

>> No.21832571

>>21827351
Your life doesn’t belong to you. It belongs to God.

>> No.21832582 [DELETED] 

>>21832545
>When all that is doing is preventing you from becoming the man you could be.
huh? i wasn't asking for homoerotic manosphere advice lmao i just can't imagine any of the chicks i've been with just sitting on the side of the road crying over me lmao.

>> No.21832612

>>21832300
I reached out to everyone for over a year if its you you know where to find me hopefully ive changed enough to be someone who can atleast listen.

>> No.21832614

>>21832582
I'm projecting because my energy is effeminate and introspective most of the time and I detect that in your post.

>> No.21832618

>>21832614
i just have autism.

>> No.21832623

>>21832562
https://www.newadvent.org/summa/1113.htm

>> No.21832655

I just read Wurthering Heights. I was okay, I enjoyed it. Although, I wonder I'd been able to understand it more if I've ever been in love (similarly to understanding Anna Karenina).

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>>21826127
She's pretty ugly senpai.

>> No.21832686

>>21832125
The war is over dude, it doesnt matter anymore

>> No.21832692

>>21832655
Read Jane Eyre

>> No.21832694

>>21831799
https://youtube.com/watch?v=hjlNzuB-cNQ&si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE

>> No.21832698

>>21831778
Just plagarize Fear and Trembling

>> No.21832718

>>21832692
Why?

>> No.21832721

>>21832718
It's better.

>> No.21832826

8 hours of sleep
1 smoothie containing
-1 beat
-1 lemon
-1 carrot
-1 cucumber
-a handful of spinch
-olive oil
-tumeric
2 high-absorbtion organic prenatal vitimins (They work better)
1 hiit workout

This is how I get into maximum effeciency mode before I get started on a project

>> No.21832900

What are we trying to find in those who were caught?

>> No.21832905

>>21832900
Who?

>> No.21832923

>>21832205
i dont know what you mean by this but it doesnt even mean anything. i live in a completely different Canada. someone from out west or east is completely different from me

>> No.21832924

>>21832905
The popularity of criminals. The captured are more popular.

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She’s not interesting but i’m not too. Do I play the charade for sex or try to find something that interests me. It’s easier to have sex than to find something interesting.

>> No.21832984

I always made fun of rich people who were le sad because how could anyone be sad if they have money, but now that I do have money I'm still just as depressed as before
what am I doing wrong?

>> No.21833001

>>21832984
You're chasing material gains instead of anything meaningful

>> No.21833007

I miss being younger and being able to get lost in some YA fantasy novel. I would love to get immersed in them and then daydream endlessly about being in that world. Now itseems like the only things I think about are work, money, and personal regrets.

>> No.21833034

Part of me feels that the male sexual drive is a burden. I'd love to simply pursue art and philosophy in the time I have outside my job, but half that time is spent cooming, fantasizing, chasing women in some fashion, or dealing with the consequences of all of the above. Of course simply killing the libido isn't really the answer, but I wonder if and how I'll be able to tame it.

>> No.21833055

>>21832984
Purpose in life isn’t for sale.
Money can afford your freedom, but if you don’t know what to do with that freedom…

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I am thinking of writing bisexual weight gain porn based on Ulysses. I have read it twice now, am writing my master's thesis on it, and it has repeatedly made me horny, so I want to vent my feelings and frustrations in erotica.

My basic plot so far is that Blazes Boylan has not only cucked Leopold Bloom, but taken him as a faggot lover, along with fully claiming Molly. And given that he likes Molly's plumpness, I'm going to assume Blazes is a bit of a fatfag, so he encourages both Molly and Bloom to fatten up, in exchange for him providing additional financial support.

The meat of the fic would probably be Blazes checking up on a very fat Molly and a very fat Bloom as they're dining in a hotel in Dublin. Both Blooms are eating very well, and Blazes shows up to examine the fine marbling on his prize pigs, with the promise of sexual pleasure later. Both Molly and Bloom are notably aroused and excited at this prospect.

I would of course be building off of the feminizing elements Bloom is subjected to in Ulysses proper, most notably in "Circe" and I think in "Lestrygonians" as well.

>> No.21833175

best board /lit/ i’m not letting them ruin this place too with their vapid bullshit

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>>21826088
Wanted to ask about phenomenology and existentialist thinkers but we just had that Sartre thread and now I’m bummed

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>>21833136
That’s fucking disgusting

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If any of you could give me critical feedback it would be appreciated. I’m working on a series in which I take classic poems and dramatise them with cinematic audio. I worked hard on this one and love the result, but I’d like to know if you think my efforts were well spent so I don’t make more of them in vain.

My Life had stood - a Loaded Gun by Emily Dickinson

https://on.soundcloud.com/i4k2y4eEAXu9rhry5

>> No.21833379

Reading Baudrillard has filled me with genuine anger, that such a man with nothing to say could be lauded so highly and be "one of the greatest philosophers of the 20th century". The core of his writings are banal observations on modernity colored with little droplets of Marxist terms and glib anecdotes. At his best, he makes fantastical assertions of concepts like "simulacrum", but cannot even justify them when called to task. A totally fraudulent thinker.

>> No.21833395

>>21833379
>Baudrillard calls you a pseud fag fraud and points out all your facts are fantasies
>"NO U"
Got him.

>> No.21833399

>>21833395
I will be honest, haven't read S&S yet. But my encounters with early Baudrillard alone have ruined him, his works on consumption are awful. But I will read S&S before throwing him out, though I doubt my opinion will shift.

>> No.21833407

But really I shouldn't read it. Any "thinker" who writes not one but two books of pure dreck realistically never changes course -- I've never seen it happen before. Someone who writes garbage as a young man does not become a genius in maturity. He remains a mediocrity.

>> No.21833430

I know the exact day I will die. In 37 years, 5 months, and 16 days, my life will end.

>> No.21833555

>>21826088
I need a firmament upgrade in the form of “coffee.”

>> No.21833606

>>21833555
>firmament upgrade

That only comes after the final judgement

>> No.21833628

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIWfH3iEgXU

>> No.21833632

What differentiates cities which create culture (like renaissance-era Florence) from cities that destroy culture (modern metropolises)?

>> No.21833650 [DELETED] 

>>21833632
cities still create culture you're just the equivalent of a peasant so you don't get it.

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>>21826145
Well-put anon. I love the way you expressed the inclusion of a kind of eternal finitude. In a weird way---one that's kind of both a little scary and authentically beautiful---it makes the life we know a superposition of all states at all times. It means that maybe you can pass through a patch of Heaven as easily as a spot of sunlight on a nice day. Kind of a really sublime thought.

>> No.21833687

Man is never ever truly irreligious. State and church are never separate, it is only the churches which get swapped for newer ones time and time again.

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>>21833687

>> No.21833877

I’m considering cashing out my savings and retirement to buy a 10 acre patch of land out in the country, quitting the job, and living in a canvas tent.

>> No.21833952

New edition

>>21833949
>>21833949
>>21833949

>>21833949
>>21833949
>>21833949

>> No.21835327

>>21827228
i like it, you caused me sadness. good writing bby

>> No.21835332

>>21827668
it was the equinox a week ago so obv stravinksky's rite of spring

>> No.21835401

>>21833632
hope