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TLDR: What Italian authors should i name drop to impress an over educated student of 20'th century literature.

Hey lit.
Two years ago, Wanting to improve my Italian, i signed up for a language exchange app. I could already read well enough but had no pronunciation, and still have a hard time following conversations. (they just speak too fast) I got matched up with this girl and we agreed for me to teach her Russian in return.

We were friendly enough that this summer im going to visit her for the first time. Dont imagine any kind of whirlwind romance but we get along well and i really want to impress her. I know everything about Russian literature, history and music. That shit was sometimes literally beaten into me by my parents, but despite reading a few history and art history books, Italian culture is foreign to me.

I've read most the pic bellow as well as various popular literature but it all feels like entry level stuff. He mom is a big name academic, her dad is a first violin. She is, and may Lenin forgive me for my transgression, an over educated member of the bourgeoisie.

She loves Arbasino, and brightened up when i mentioned reading Fratelli d'Italia. She also talked about Gadda, though i cant make heads or tails of the man. But thats it.

I have a few months still to go, throw some more names in my directions.

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I can add reading 60% of this.
Informative, but not what im looking for.

>> No.21816020

>>21816016
>dressing like that in a big European city
That girl is about to get raped by gypsies.

>> No.21816043

Not telling you, Ivan. You will not come to Italy, you are going to Ukraine to fight the hohols.

>> No.21816046

>>21816016
Ebola obviously. Also
>Serious doubt it's OP pic rel.

>> No.21816052

>>21816043
=(
I live in Finland and have served in the finnish defense forces. Things going the way they are in a few years time ill be frighting russkies in the taiga

>> No.21816079

Oh Lord, oh God, oh spirit of kings
Give me a sundress girl
Who reads Arbasino
And smiles carefree at the world.

>> No.21816084

>>21816016
it's likely you'll impress her by having read 60% of >>21816018 already, most of them are works that at least 99% of italians won't have read unless they were interested in classical literature, most of them aren't even mentioned in a liceo classico/classical lycee curriculum
as far as 20th century literature goes you can read D'Annunzio and Pascoli
>>21816079
>11 // 6 // 6 // 7
the metric's a bit off

>> No.21816097 [DELETED] 

>>21816016
I will offer you Sciasca and Gianfredo Caligarich.

>> No.21816116

>>21816084
D'Annunzio i know quite well. He was one of my first big boy reads. The novels i thought were dreadful (particularly if you are familiar with the french originals) but the poetry is excellent.

Pascoli, is new. Will check him out right now. Thanks.

>>21816097
Sciasca
I like his nonfiction a lot. I read an adelphi paperback of his Sicilian Uncles and it was enjoyable. (The Girls opinion i remember was that he did too much mod stuff and became a somewhat lazy genre writer) I think he is a good essayist.

Gianfranco Calligarich. Thats new. The only book i found was L'ultima estate in città
Is that it?

>> No.21816118

>>21816016
I'd post a chart but you fuckers got my IP from work banned. We'll see if the thread is still up when lunchbreak rolls around
Final boss of Italian literature is D'Arrigo. If you want to throw a curve ball there you can mention his works that are not the Orca, like his poetry or cima delle nobildonne. Manganelli is fun too

>> No.21816130

>>21816116
Ai sorry, I deleted because I felt my books weren't appropriate for your needs. If you don't mind though, then yes I love those quite a bit. They really speak to me as a med. Sciasca's strongest work is "the council of Egypt" imo, as it isn't about the maffia.
And yea, Calligarich didn't write too much iirc but he should have a few other titles. L'ultima estate en città is one of my favourites and I will shill it whenever I can. Milanese guy trying to make life work by moving to rome in an Italy that is still suffering the aftereffects of the war in many ways. A true romance for men.

Other writers that are good are leopardi and if she is indeed a bourgeois republican, Papini. Oh also, I'll assume you can read Italian well enough by now, look into Cristina Campos.

>> No.21816143

>>21816052
I wanna die in the taiga too finnanon
just let me come there, I hate Italy

>> No.21816144

>>21816130
>*Cristina Campo
Just woke up sorry.

>> No.21816167 [DELETED] 

>>21816052
>le butthurt belter revanchist fantasies
You'll just get nuked, pekka

>> No.21816177

>>21816130
We bonded over leopardi, and was one of my reasons for learning italian. She had me read poems to her during lessons.
Before we met i tried imitating people off of TV and movies and she absolutely hated it. Said it made me sound like a thug, and spent all her time giving me a more refined palate.

Anyway i will check out Calligarich and especially Cristina Campo who looks really interesting. Hopefully she isn't too difficult. Twentieth century Italian writers can be a handful.

Thanks for the suggestions =)

>> No.21816199

I recommend Calasso and Malaparte

>>21816167
> Russia threatening to nuke other countries each time they lose another ten thousand men in self inflicted trench warfare.

Your faith in your own retard president is absolutely pathetic.

>> No.21816202

>>21816199
I don't have faith in him

>> No.21816258

>>21816016
Julius Evola

>> No.21816359

>>21816016
...wow...

>> No.21816375

Nobody has still said anything about Pirandello, Ivanovich please read Uno, nessuno e centomila

From Sciascia I can suggest Mare colore del vino

>> No.21816385

>>21816016
Why the fuck are you trying to impress her with Italian literature and not Russian literature you faggot?

>>21816018
Especially if you already read 60% of that. Unironically just b urself, if she likes you, having read a single Italian book will impress her, if not it won’t matter.

If you have to read Italians just read whatever you like or find interesting.
Last Italian author I read was Moravia’s La Noia, no idea if it’s basic or not though, but I really liked it

>> No.21816415

I dont know if it will impress anyone but Italo Calvino writes really well and I will recommend him to anyone who enjoys reading. If on a winters night a traveller was a great experience

>> No.21816424

>>21816016
Dante & Ariosto & Petrarch, the holy trinity of Italian poetry.

>> No.21816621

>>21816415
I like how Calvino plays with language. "If on a winter's night a traveller" will probably remain one of my favourite books. It's just super cozy and has a nice pace to it. Not to mention the pseudo femdom scene.

>> No.21816633 [DELETED] 

>>21816043
Just kidding, please come to Italy and live. Don't die over this war broski.

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>>21816016
>Italian lit
Orlando Furioso
>20th cent
not a clue

>> No.21816673

>>21816016
>Italian culture is foreign to me
Italy has no culture. Every single Italian is basically a wannabe American
>Muh ROME! MUH ANCESTORS
literally a meme people spew to feel better about this dumpster they created

>> No.21816723

>>21816633
uh-oh

>> No.21816725

>>21816673
let me guess. Italian?

>> No.21816731

>>21816673
I get that American ideologically raped our ass during ww2, but wtf are you saying now

Everyone who makes fun of Italian praising ancient Rome is like a bull making fun of a dunce saying the dunce is the one which has horns

>> No.21816747

>>21816673
>Every single Italian is basically a wannabe American
This applies to every yuropoor country

>> No.21816958

>>21816731
>a bull making fun of a dunce saying the dunce is the one which has horns
Gesù anon almeno usa l'espressione equivalente inglese del pot e del kettle anziché suonare come un ritardato
>>21816424
>>21816375
Basic bitch taste. Go back to classico

>> No.21816980

>>21816747
said the flyover hick.

>> No.21817114

>>21816020
Never happened, gypsies only steal, rape is a negro matter

>> No.21817123

>>21817114
sandnigger matter, anon

>> No.21817122

Test

>> No.21817125

>>21816016
Is that her in the picture? Guess not, but is she cute? Do you have a photo of her?

>> No.21817130

>>21817123
The genes are the same

>> No.21817160

>>21817130
I think, at least in the case of negroes and ahmeds in Italy, the upbringing is a much more of a dominating factor for rapes and just general outlook on women, making sandniggers primarily the ones much more at vault here

>> No.21817192

>>21816725
of coursh
southerner too
I hate this place like you wouldn't believe
literal nigger tier attitude
captcha: KAKANU

>> No.21817220

Would every single one of you fuck off back to back to whatever anime discord you inhabit.
have your race war elsewhere.

>> No.21817528

Bump! i like this thread except for all the gypsy talk

>> No.21817540

>>21816020

The only way you can manage getting raped in Vienna, is if you walk up to a man and basically beg them to do it.

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>> No.21818063

>>21816016
Agostino John Sinadino
Eugenio Corti
Emilio Villa
Silvio D'Arzo

There's no way she's read these.

>> No.21818137

>>21816020
She's american and the exact reason she T R A V E L S is for sex tourism: lots of anonymous sex with hot european men who want american pussy.

>> No.21818339

>>21816673
this is just a dumb butthurt shitskin who needs to be deported

>> No.21818490

>>21816016
for 20th century you really should read Dino Buzzati, especially the tartar steppe, and Bufalino might be a not so well-known classic. Then ofc Svevo and Lampedusa, basically THE modernist classics. Also Bassani, the gardens of the Finzi-Contini.
And the Russian-Italian connection might be Mepeжкoвcкий, who loved Italian culture and wrote books about Dante an da Vinci, among others.

>> No.21818523

>>21816016
just go thru italian football players autobiographies
many of them are thinkers to one or another level

>> No.21818733

>>21816016
I got you OP

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WhLXpEQtVvQ

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>>21816016
>>21816118
Tool me long enough

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>>21818862
And one more

>> No.21819290

^ nice

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>>21816016
Heavens ...

>> No.21819997

>>21818490
Thanks this has been the best list so far, a few new names here

>> No.21820151

>>21819993
Anglo hands made this chart

>> No.21820250

>>21816016
I would be already impressed by what you claim to have read desu, but I think you should give Pirandello (uno,nessuno e centomila) and Italo Svevo ( La coscienza di Zeno) a go, I like how they both where pretty introspective, with Pirandello obsessing over the idea of having to put on a "mask" every time you have to interact with someone, and Svevo about being a cringe incel who in every single book has a protagonist who wants to fuck his mother

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>>21820250
Funny you'd mention Svevo.
Just got my 'like new,' copy copy from abebooks. And it's literally unreadable.

One of those books I kept in reserve, knowing I'll enjoy it, I really wanted my Italian to improve beforehand. But I don't have eyesight for this.

>> No.21820408

>>21820403
>>21820250

BTW no isbn, no publisher name, no anything.

If you are gonna pirate it something so niche, why make this bad?

>> No.21820438

>>21820408
>so niche
Svevo isn't niche, he's a standard choice of the Italian school curriculum.
Desu, most people ITT have suggested good and important authors, but I'm not sure their names would "impress an over educated student of 20th century literature": they're well known and not obscure at all.
Naturally, you can always engage in wonderful discussions about said mainstream authors and still impress her.

>> No.21820449

>>21820438
All I'm really looking for, is to offhandedly mention I've been reading a certain someone, and to have her nod knowingly.
The rest is just me looking for good writers to improve my Italian.


She also knows Latin and had offered to take me through it.

>> No.21820465

>>21816016
>may Lenin forgive me for my transgression
Was gonna suggest something but now I'm just gonna tell you to go fuck yourself, tick.

>> No.21820471

>>21817550
The most mediocre, midwit shit ever awarded in Italy. It's not even a novel, just a recollection of actual events. And it either doesn't have anything original to say about them, or is too chickenshit to do so.
No surprise it was so successful.

>> No.21820476

>>21820408
>niche
>Svevo
Shit like Cristina Campo or Volponi or D'Arrigo are niche.

>> No.21820563

>>21818862
>>21818868

Incredibly based charts anon, are you Italian or are you just specialized in Italian literature? It's been a while since we don't have a decent italian poster

>> No.21821590

> Arbasino
> Cristina Campo
> Pascoli


>>21820449
Fucking marry her. Now! i wish i had an Italian Latin gf, heck i wish a had any kind of gf.