/lit/ - Literature

New thread when?

When cultivation is extinct.

/SFFG/ Recommendations:

Read Reverend Insanity, Lord of The Mysteries, Neuromancer, Hyperion, The Prince of Nothing

Also read The Wandering Inn, Between Two Fires, Mother of Learning, Cradle, I Shall Seal the Heavens, A Song of Ice and Fire, The Poppy War.

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>>21811321
What fantasy settings have elemental magic that’s particularly interesting? Codex Alera is one, and someone is obviously going to suggest Avatar, but what else is there?

>>21811321
OP’s photo is based on The Flying Phantom Ship an anime movie from 1969 which is fantastic and I highly recommend it. Only an hour long so it’s a gooden.

I guess I’ll recommend a book: rama - Arther C Clarke! Sorry oldheads but I recently picked up the entire paperback set and I’m halfway through the first book! I love it.

>>21811379
Mother of Learning have magic system like D&D, really nice

I wonder what Greg Egan looks like - I'm thinkin top left

I guess I'll read Bakker then.

>>21811408
Hard Sci-fi is my fetish.Have you read Diaspora already? What-ja-think?

>It's another "Meng Hao finds a father figure to make up for his lack of a father figure while growing up" arc
There's like 10 of them, including his own father and one where he's a father figure to his own clone

>>21811379
Banished Quest

>>21811392
Clarke was an actual writer, unlike Asimov and Heinlein who got by based on pulp ideas. Clarke’s prose was well done most of the time. I’m not surprised you enjoy him. Even his stupid ideas were elevated by his prose. Wish he’d written more, though.

>>21811459
>Incapable of recommending a book that doesn't start with "The"

I checked the recommended fantasy charts but this book had mixed response. Some approved, others put it in shit tier. Is it worth reading? If you could go into detail as to why then I would appreciate it. Thanks.

>>21811470
Nope only Permutation City and some short story collection of his. I'm on Zendegi now.

>>21811459
AI has great taste.

>>21811321
In your opinions, what fantasy settings manage to successfully put fresh spins on races like orcs, elves, goblins, and more, or at least come up with cool original races? And what about science fiction settings with particularly cool aliens?

>>21811592
The Colidfire series just got a new book recently after all this time.

>>21811862
Warcraft did it well.

>>21811862
Elder Scrolls took every rock standard fantasy race and gave them a new life. desu.

>>21811862
how about instead of a fresh spin ou read The Broken Sword where it all began?

Dandelion Dynasty is bad but it is easy to read so I keep going. It's the complete opposite of the last series I read (Malazan) in that most of the book is exposition and dialogue feels like excerpts from a stage play

>reading an interesting and fun book
>mc reveals he's not a virgin and has had multiple gfs
>immediately drop it no matter how much i enjoy it
i can't self insert if the mc is a chad

>no official /lit/ Wuxia chart
Kisama! I'll j-just go find it myself, baka! Actually, it might be fun to try find Wuxia I like and make a chart one day in the future.

>>21811911
>Virgin male mc or not that sexually experienced
based
>Romantic interest has a slutty past
Nonono not like this fantasybros...

>Two souls who are destined lovers and have been reincarnated time and time again and always fall for each other
>Female protagonist cucks the reincarnator girl by getting with the reincarnator guy first and and breaking their destined love bond permanently
WTF i am never reading something written by a woman ever again
What level of cuckery is this?
It made me legtimately feel sorry for the girl that was supposed to be portrayed as the villain.

>>21812000
>author's obvious self-insert's love interest is a literal whore
Speculative fiction, more like specucklative fiction, am I right, eh?

>>21812039
Brent Weeks

>>21812010
delet this

>>21812043
I mean, it's really common, for some reason. Worst example I can recall is pic related. The author's self-insert gets to have two(2!) prostitutes! Oh, boy, whuppee!

>>21811321
Any magical fantasy progression series like Congruent Mage or Portal Wars, but more realistic and good ?

>>21812058
Traveler's Gate? I don't know

>>21811307
You can just start with book seven. Reading the plot summaries of the first six books is enough to get the picture.

>>21812172
IDK anon I hate rewarding bad writing with money. Maybe if I find the book at a goodwill for like one dollar I'll pick it up.

>>21812172
You're malicious.

>>21812239
Piracy exists.

What are some good and obscure LitRPGs? Looking for something with good storytelling, not necessarily good litrpg systems.

>Retard makes one shitty chart now he needs to spam it for no reason
It's so tiresome.

Does the scene where the diver sees the dead body in The Terror happen in the book?
If so what chapter?

>>21812286
Anon, just read the book if you’re that interested.

>>21812239
What the other anon said, i pirated the books myself. And they arent really badly written, its just the plot and character decisions in the first six books that are trash.

>>21812241
...what?

>>21812277
Barely any in that shart of yours thats for sure.

>>21812312
I'm sorry anon but I don't break the law. Also, I prefer physical books to digital.

>>21811392
It was terrible. Spacemen go look at a Big Dumb Object and are overwhelmed by feelings of religious awe.

>>21812396
I know people just like that

>>21812277
How is it that everything in your ascended tier is hot garbage?
Do you just have no taste?

>>21812436
You are welcome to name stories that you think should be there instead :)

I have mixed feelings about the fact that literally everything that happens in the whole Mistborn 1 trilogy right until the very end is just Ruin pulling strings. Kinda undermines the character's actions and development and makes you wonder if any of them ever did anything out of free will
Also Vin and Kelsier's farewell at the end of Secret History is so bittersweet
I don't know man, it don't feel right

It seems the further back I delve into classic fantasy, the better it becomes. I'm currently reading 19th century stuff, will probably just end up back at the Greeks by the year's end

>>21812541
Rec me some

so a friend of mine tell me that this "the xeelee sequence" is bonkers in a good way, opinions?

>>21811408
the ai knows

>>21811321
FUCK he is good.

>>21812575
I've seen this ritual post so many times and I still don't know who this is. Like, Bakkerfag at least gives us Bakker's picture with 'Bakker' title. Meanwhile this guy is just random bald guy. Could be AI generated for all I know.

>>21812286
not that I remember.

>>21812277
Your chart displays shit taste.

>>21812585
China Mieville. Go read Kraken.

>>21812378
Depending on where you live, its not breaking the law.

>>21812543
phantases by macdonald is the big hitter to start with

>>21812277
I just started reading Resonance Cycle and it's far, far better than any of the other stuff on that tier I've read. The fact that the main character is an autist, a literal, i-have-to-write-lists autist who gets anxious when people mess with his notes, already makes him more of a character than Zac in DotF for example.

>>21812602
More like Krakkka because his family were all rich Britoids who ruled over Irish people.

>>21812619
I'm glad someone checked it out. It's surprisingly decent story for being so obscure and unknown, unfortunately the author is a giga-retard and shills his book in the worst way possible. I actually had to add title to the cover art MYSELF. He doesn't have a nickname, just goes by 'ResonanceAuthor'.

I swear, some authors are just their own worst enemies.

So does every Sanderson book happen in like the same solar system, only different planets?

>>21812598
>Your chart displays shit taste.
And yet no one is capable of recommending anything else. It's almost as if...shit-stirrers didn't actually read. Curious, isn't it?

>>21812277
I've wanted to give a few of these a try but haven't been able to get the audiobooks because they're narrated by that insipid FAGGOT Travis Baldtree.

Thoughts on Primal Hunter, Worth the Candle and Infinite Realm?

Is The Braided Path good?

>>21812802
>Thoughts on Primal Hunter, Worth the Candle and Infinite Realm?
Primal hunter is more of a popcorn story that you are supposed to read once a day, similarly to DotF and Azarinth Healer. Better characters than DotF and Azarinth Healer as well. I considered adding it Superior Tier, but the overall quality isn't that good to be honest, although it's close.

Infinite Realm is one of the better ones because it tries to be an actual story with real characters and thought-out plot. More of a Epic Fantasy approach. May actually be the best among Superior Tier. Depends on your stance on edginess and morally grey characters, though.

Your enjoyment from Worth The Candle will depend on whether you read just to be entertained or to read about something interesting. Rationality, strange philosophical ideas, psychology, that sort of stuff. Not that it isn't incredibly hilarious, even epic at times, but it's not a pop-corn fic. Has its worse moments, but I consider it one of the best stories that have come out the genre. Its placement in Ascended Tier is fully justified.

What's that one series that is like dark souls? I cannot remember the title or author though I think "wolf" or something like that might be relevant

where do you nerds get free epubs now that z-lib is dead?

>>21812846
If you don't know the obvious one, I will redirect you to Scribd and Archive for the peons (but there really is good stuff there).

>>21812854
and what is the obvious one?

Name the series /sffg/

>>21812917
The Prince of Nothing.

>>21812917
Red Rising.

>>21812917
First Law

>>21812917
Dune

>>21812917
The rise and fall, probably, most likely.
Theres too many checks for esrahaddon to cash.

>>21812859
Read the sticky, newfag.

>>21812162
Looked into it, apparently its got more plot holes then a collander.

>>21812917
Foundation

>>21813107
What does that matter for that kind of story? The holes are a feature, just the same as they are for a collander.

>>21812784
No, it's called the Cosmere because it takes place across the Cosmos. They are all literally in the same universe. Distance without using magic is unclear though.

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>>21811470
isn't this the guy who has an in-depth discussion of differential geometry in one of his books? as a math student, this appeals to me, how's his writing? what mathematics does he touch on?

>>21813184
https://www.gregegan.net/DICHRONAUTS/01/World.html

>>21812963
First Law standalones*. Heroes is probably Abercrombie's best work, BSC is fun, but i fucking hate Monza, and RC is just garbage

Considering starting Red Rising but is it just YA? I don't want to read a Hunger Games clone

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>>21813184
He has pages like that for a lot of his books and a general science page as well.

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>>21813207
this is incredibly based, shame i'm not interested in this kind of math. good on him, though

>>21813172
>it's bad on purpose
I'm going to go over here now.

>>21813107
colanders don't have plot holes

>>21813229
They literally have holes that are plotted and punched from a template.
Fuck I hate people.

>>21813199
Only the first novel is a YA Hunger Games clone and even then it's one of the better ones. The following novels are space opera kino with the second novel Golden Sun being the best of the series.

>>21813181
Hopefully we will get astrological lore drops in mistborn era 3 when it drops in 2149

>>21811911
Why wouldn't you self insert as the giga chad protagonist with a harem?

>>21813275
>Why wouldn't you self-insert as the giga chad protagonist with a harem?
NTA, but I would NEVER actively self-insert as a person fulfiling my dreams. I'M supposed to do that, not live vicariously through a fictional character. I can at most enjoy his journey. Living through fiction is the best way to never leaving your house and achieving nothing.

>>21813275
Because a harem is just so unrealistic. Have you ever spent time around more then one woman?
If you have done so why would you want to do it again?
I get crushing on females and enjoying the arousal that sex brings, but the reality of having to deal with a bunch of females all the time is akin to a nightmare rather then a fantasy. Do you know who actually enjoys hanging round them ALL the time? homosexuals

>>21812802
Not him, but I'll at least throw my thoughts on Primal Hunter and Infinite Realm in (never read Worth the Candle, doesn't seem to appeal).
Primal Hunter is very 'standard' LitRPG, but it's competently written about it. Its characters are nothing incredible, but it at least understands what it wants them to do. Jake is a sometimes fun protagonist in that kind of "awkwardly serious autistic" way, and given how often it's played off, it's clearly an intentional writing of his character, not just an incidental thing when the author tries to make him seem cool. It does have that problem of "some of these other characters seem like they'd be more interesting to follow as a protagonist", but that's a lot of stories so I'm not gonna knock it too hard. I don't really know where its story, if it really even has an overall one, is GOING, but it at least isn't just Jake rapidly flitting from "BIG PROBLEM" to "BIG PROBLEM" all the time. He's pretty proactive, at least.
Infinite Realm, meanwhile, clearly comes from some deep place of passion, and I'd love it a lot more if the author had technical writing ability worth a damn or any form of story apart from various disconnected arcs. Characters are its strongest point, at least, with its two main protagonists, Ryun and Zack (Zach? I forget which one it is), being characters that are very opposing in an interesting way. Ryun is basically a loner who just wants to cultivate and become the apex of his existence but keeps getting distracted by the fact he actually cares for some people. Zach, meanwhile, is the most Lawful Good guy ever, very unconditionally heroic, but his struggles come from the Lawful side, when he realises how kind of fucked a society of "the strong rule the weak" is. Great stuff, except as I said, the writing is very all over the place from a technical standpoint. Combat is very much just "He used [Such and Such Technique]", author has a tendency towards redundant sentences and stating the same thing twice in a row, etc. Good if you can bypass that problem though.

>>21813316
this
imagine having to deal with the emotional issues of not just one girlfriend, but like 15 of them, and keeping the peace while they try to kill each other for your attention, assuming you can even keep all 15 of them interested in you

>>21813275
I have some sense of self-awareness I like grounded humility more than outright power fantasy

What great fantasy epic takes place here? Which nations fall? What magic do they wield? Who's the bad guy?

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>>21813316
It's fantasy, things can magically be ok
That's the whole point of harem fantasy

>>21811321
Leviathan Falls, The Expanse #9 - James S.A. Corey (2021)

Thus the series ended and my turmoil began. Usually I write about a book the day after reading it and I don't have any trouble doing so. Unfortunatey, this was a disappointing finale, though it's not anywhere near the worst conclusion I've experienced. This is a decent book, but it's a bad The Expanse book. Neither the plot nor the characters met my expectations, especially in terms of their consistency. It's the sort of development where I question whether there were extensive deviations or if I didn't ever understand the series for what it was. What bothers me the most is its reliance on Things Just Happen, which I didn't feel was the case in the previous books, regardless of whether it was.

A lot of cool stuff happened that I enjoyed and various ideas were played with that I thought were neat. The ones that I liked the most reminded me of Greg Egan's Luminous and the one that I despised and seemed to have direct references was Arthur C. Clarke's (antagonist's plans spoiler) <spoiler>Childhood's End</spoiler>. The problem was that I felt they were in the wrong series. Ideally for me, the protomolecule would've been only a plot device for allowing human expansion and played no further role than accomplishg that. I'd also have been fine with it going the opposite way to where it explored its ideas completely. This middle path wasn't satisfying and lacked commitment. The epilogue provided an answer to a question, but nothing else.

There were a lot of character viewpoints again, but I'm only interested in writing about two of them. Aliana Tanaka is a first time viewpoint though returning character. She's a mess, both as a person and a character. She's not the character I like the least, but I think she's possibly the least properly realized character in that she read like a plot-driven caricature. Holden regained his position of having the most chapters. The conclusion to his story is entirely in character and follows from the first book, but that's not how I wanted it to go. The worst offender though is what was done with Winston. I was entirely satisfied with how his story went in the previous book. What happened with him in this book was a travesty and I can't be convinced otherwise.

Whose story is The Expanse? After consulting a spreadsheet image someone made of all the viewpoint characters (43 by a maximal definition) and their chapters I went a bit further and calculated that Holden is 24% of the total chapters. I don't think the word count is substantially different than that, but I didn't check. Does having a quarter of the chapters and being the only viewpoint character to be in every book suffice? Yeah, it does for me, which I find to be somewhat surprising. Overall, I'm very pleased by this book series and I'm glad that I read it.

Rating: 3/5

>>21813338
This is why you have cultivation harems. You see each other once very 100 or 1000 years, spend a couple days together, then you have to cultivate the extreme yang sword of mountain slicing, which will take up the next 2 millennia.

>>21813392
your """reviews""" are SHIT
FUCK OFF

>>21813401
Your posts are a continued stain on this thread. I'd rather have you leave than anyone who actually tries to review fantasy and scifi books.

>>21813392
This was such a letdown after tiamat's wrath

>>21813275
I tried to read these books but I couldn't get over boring they were and I don't mean the content, just the way it was delivered

>>21813411
Imo the epilogue made up for it
Imagine contacting a long lost human tribe and some giga nigga strides up to you and says "fuck around and find out"

Starting The Name of the Wind, wish me luck.

I had to put down Use of Weapons and now I'm reading some Egan. Egan isn't great with characters (tho neither is Banks) but god damn I don't think I can handle Banks's prose - I'm constantly having to re-read to understand just what is going on. Reminds me of Gibson or PKD prose. or maybe I'm just retarded. Egan is clearly a STEM guy and it comes through in his writing - it's pretty clear cut. Same as Chiang, who I believe is a technical writer.

>>21813461
>You may get to fuck her in the ass while I watch from my cuck cage, but when you leave her I'll still be here; cleaning your cum out of her hair, my light shining in her.

>>21812840
Are you thinking the author Gene Wolfe? His series "The Book of the New Sun" is a part of the Dying Earth subgenre that Dark Souls seems to take influence from. Also check out "The Dying Earth" by Jack Vance which started the whole genre.

THE DEMOLISHED MAN

God damn, this was a good book. A good goddamn book. What made the book so good? Maybe it's the style of the times but it feels like a PKD story in prose and content, and I got sucked in fast.

The setting of the story lies within the galaxy where humans are a space-faring race with some telepaths in the mix, known as peepers. Due to the existence of peepers, and strong ones at that, murder has been absent from humanity for some ridiculously long time (because you can't mentally broadcast murder or a peeper will pick up on it.)

So of course, rich charismastic entrepreneur Ben Reich sets up a plan to murder a business rival. The story details the why and how of course, subsequently followed by the battle of wits and sometimes outright brawn between Reich and the police Prefect, Lincoln Powell; my personal favorite out of the cast. Insight into the common man, the successful man, the downtrodden man, the Man in of itself as an entity, is throughly explored in this fast-paced tale of intrigue.

Reich's dreams of The Man With No Face and Lincoln's alter-ego Dishonest Abe feature into the subconscious behavior of one's unknown wants-and-desires; these casual mental hallucinatories casual within some of the older sci-fi I come across. The behavior and characteristics of the peepers, with their visuospatially sketched rapid conversations, and their Esper Guild's philosophy on using their power for good, paints the telepaths as a throughly realised culture of an evolved human.

Only at the end do you learn what Demolition actually is: taking someone unfit for society and instead of killing them, disintegrating their personality and consciousness, to rebuild them as a new and better person. "Turning a minus into a plus". There was even some snide commentary at the end stating that "perhaps the people of yesteryear -wanted- sheeps".

>>21813371
Cool idea for a historical fantasy series. Perhaps some kind of desertification curse destroys it

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>>21813362
Harem reviewer here, I've noticed four different types of harem fiction:

1. The protagonist is a relatively normal dude but gets powered up in extreme ways, typical power fantasy in that regard, except in the majority of cases upgrades include looks. Thus hot women are very attracted to the protagonist while he, due to being powered up, can service them all sexually without an issue. Emotional stuff has mild importance, people just 'love' each other. Women don't feel jealousy, just accept that they share a man.

2. The world-building supports harems for whatever reason, either because there are fewer males than females, or some males can grant special powers to their women, making it logical to have more than one and give them a solid reason to stay at the man's side, or maybe it's just cultural for a given society.

3. Similar to 1, except while the protagonist is powerful for whatever reason, everything is more or less run by women. Adding women to the Harem functions as resource acquisition, with some women performing certain roles others cannot, i.e., combat, management, emotional support, etc. The protagonist functions more as a cornerstone of the harem's existence rather than some giga-chad who runs everything; more often than not this type of harem paints women as hyper-competent agents that manage stuff while man is just stud and fighter.

4. High-literature wannabes, love sharers, polyamory proselytizers. Harem is still centered around a man and multiple females (there aren't any cuck harems as far as I know, readers absolutely hate that). Characters talk a lot about boundaries, feeling, how their relationship works, and how being able to love multiple people simultaneously is great and wonderful, that kind of stuff. Women love not only the man but also each other.
Qualitatively different from other types, most confident in its opinions and philosophy and treats itself seriously, not as just dumb entertainment with porn. High correlation with high-quality writing, even if you disagree with the author's worldview.


The first three tend to share each other's traits, more or less. The fourth stands apart as a rule.

>>21811474
bad post, soma is a hack and a fraud

>>21811862
The Broken Sword and Tolkien obv
Game of Thrones honestly with it's giants and children of the forest and others
Prince of Nothing with the sranc and nonmen
Book of the New Sun sorta with the cacogens and other weirdness

>>21812602
Kraken sucks.
Perdido was good until the last like 10% that just shits all over everything instead of giving any kind of enjoyable climax
His best that I've read is that short story collection Looking for Jake, but I've thought about picking up City and the City or whatever it's called.

>>21813371
Got nothing for the desert besides Dune, but Black Leopard Red Wolf is excellent incentive fantasy in subsaharan Africa. It's a damn shame sffg will never talk about it because it's black and gay.
Lit would love the Omelas city and the fucked up Spider-Man.

>>21812840
Closest thing to Dark Souls is unironically Bakker (and GRRM).
But you're probably thinking of Book of the New Sun by Wolfe. Probably also an influence, at the very least it was an influence on GRRM (he included a reference in one of the episodes of GoT he wrote) and Miyazaki loves GRRM.
Any Bloodborne fans have gotta read Fevre Dream.

>>21813411
Don't tripfag, don't post shitty reviews and shill your goodreads, fuck off and stop ruining these threads with your shitty reviews.
Faggot

>>21813603
I disliked Perdido but thought The City and The City was great.

>>21813554
>High correlation with high-quality writing
Do you really believe it

>>21813554
>there aren't any cuck harems as far as I know
Heinlein
>High correlation with high-quality writing
I submit that the first 3 are retards who know how to have fun and the 4th is a retard trying to use big words to justify their awful relationships.

>>21813554
>Harem is still centered around a man and multiple females (there aren't any cuck harems as far as I know
Good intentions.

memes aside, who is the greatest contemporary scific writer?

whats the appeal of litrpg
if you want stistics and levels and special abilities why not play a game or watch an anime instead?

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>>21813731
>Do you really believe it
Yes desu

Try to read something like Good Intentions. You can instantly feel it was written by an experienced author who knows what he wants to write and why. Any sex scene in an average harem novel 95% of the time boils down to basic 'me put dick in, me horny, girl enjoys, she moans.' Meanwhile, stories like 'The Erogamer' or 'Good Intentions' have actual, you know, writing to a purpose.

>>21813789
People keep bringing it up, but as far as I know, that's only in the third book, and most people agree you should read up to book 2 of the series at most.

>>21813795
probably pic related. The man has great prose and interesting ideas - simple as.

>>21813795
Me.

>>21813845
Is that the bug that wrote Three-Body Problem? Gay

>>21813832
Second book, and even then, the succ makes it clear in the first book that the mc isn't the only guy or girl she'd be fucking.

>>21813554
> Characters talk a lot about boundaries, feeling, how their relationship works, and how being able to love multiple people simultaneously is great and wonderful, that kind of stuff
At this point I'd just read nonfiction about poly.

>>21813830
> why not play a game or watch an anime instead?
because it's for those that read and who grew up watching anime and playing vidya games. it's the venn diagram intersection of those two demographics.

>>21813830
I despise anime and very few video games interests me

So that fagget E William Brown finally published a new book, and it is supposedly a Daniel Black-esque novel in a post apocalyptic setting. Any of you faggets read it?

Rereading Malazan for the first time and knowing about all the tragic fates incoming is not a detriment to my enjoyment of it.

Mallick Rel a shit.

>>21813830
cause writers are imagining better games/systems than what's actualy out there.

>>21814066
>he thinks video games are stories even comparable to books
NGMI

>>21813554
the anita blake books end up being a female w/ a male harem, it does get bogged down in babbies first S&M relationship talk tho.

>>21813616
The point of the post you're replying to is that long ago, central west Africa was not a desert. It was a large fertile region that doesn't exist anymore. Sort of like Atlantis or Lemuria except it turned to desert instead of ocean. That's why it would be an interesting fantasy setting, I guess.

Recently I've stumbled upon Legends and Lattes. I haven't read it and I only mention it because I find it existence amusing. It just feel like a parody of trumblr/millennials fantasy, but it's for real.

>>21814021
wtf has he been doing for the last 5 years?

>>21814134
And it killed the series. Anita Blake was actually one of the best gritty urban fantasy but then author decided to completely change the genre because she hated writing "dark stories"

>>21814227
never stopped to read, but why every author wants travis to do the audiobook for them? is he really that good? ive seen a lot of authors going like ''uhhh i hope travis is free in some months for my audiobook''

>>21814268
He's just quite notable in those sorts of circles. I don't think he's PARTICULARLY great at audiobooks, it's just sort of a minor prestige thing.

>>21814273
cool, good for him

i never listened to any audiobook bc it kills the fun of reading for me, but was always curious about this travis dude who is always mentioned when people talk about audiobook

>>21814250
Milking e bux from pay piggies and playing on the quest forums. He has been stringing them along (like Rothfuss) with a promise that loli space marine princess will be out soon™.

>>21814259
>because she hated writing "dark stories"

oh thats why? yeah it definitely was strange when the books would start with a sex scene and it would last for like 20 pages.

>>21814134
>the anita blake books end up being a female w/ a male harem, it does get bogged down in babbies first S&M relationship talk tho.
Eh, I think I've seen a few female harems, most memorable being Lady of Rooksgrave manor. In which the protagonist is a literal nimphomaniac whore yet several immortal amazing gentelman are completely enamored with her for no fucking reason and do whatever she wants.

I have my eyes on much more interesting target, however...Bully Romances. Oh yeah, those sound deliciously depraved. From what I've read feminist women absolutely despise their existence yet they are still very popular. Literaly an Incel hate-dream given form. I simply MUST read some.

>>21814259
Actually, she changed it because her bf left her. I was reading the series as she got her psychotic breakdown.
When Richard dumped her in the book, is when her partner (who also helped her write) dumped her irl. She then ran to the vampire who turned her from a good Christian girl, into a good girl slut, who wanted to be DP raw by undead french fags. Series spiraled from there.

I stopped the series at like book 21? It's clear she is not going back to early Anita, and I think that the guy who Richard was to represent, helped her tremendously with the work, as you saw a visible and noticeable dip in quality after he left her.

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>>21814259
So Anita pulled an Anne Rice? All long series do something like that. But I've just read the protagonist supposedly goes full fury and has sex with leopard guy in his animal form. Based. Dogpill is real and don't allow anyone tell you otherwise.

>>21814339
man that totally explains why richard turns into an absolute douchebag for no reason and why the twink sub bf turns into the perfect simp

>>21814325
Yeah, there was some interview about how she wanted to write about life and not death, and how she now found Anita too grim and depressing to write. She did write the Merry romance (women's smut) series in parallel for a while but I suspect it didn't sell well so she completely switched her far more successful one instead.

>>21814331
>Bully Romances
... what the fuck are you talking about

>>21814359
Not him but it's a term I've seen come up precisely once because some book that got memed on for having a "you can't share this" thing in its legal preamble (on the physical copy, mind) called itself that and I don't know what it means. I assume it's just the sort of concept of "somebody bullying somebody they have a crush on" but it develops into an actual romance?

>>21814381
damn, western authors finally discovered tsundere?

>>21814341
Not sure what you mean by that. Anne Rice stories were always sensual and she wrote full-on erotica under a pen-name.

> But I've just read the protagonist supposedly goes full fury and has sex with leopard guy in his animal form.
Yup, she does. There are also entire chapters about her deep throating a bf with a massive dick.

To really put this in perspective the stories started out as series crime novels with a fantasy twist. It's as if the Sherlock Homles books suddenly became a kinkier male version of Fifty Shades of Grey with extra harem.

Any more old D&D fantasy should I looking for?

>>21814359
>>21814381
>I assume it's just the sort of concept of "somebody bullying somebody they have a crush on" but it develops into an actual romance?
You sweet summer child. Bully romances are when a guy or group of guys continually treat a girl like trash, beat and bully her, and yet she's a total slut for them anyway. A literal incel meme. Yes, it's a thing.

I think I'm gonna review a few of those just for fun, even seen one where the girl is the only female dragon shifter and gets constantly bullied by the male ones. Deligtfuly mind-broken female perspective.

>>21814388
Maybe? It's probably one of those weird terms that's somehow become a 'thing' in spaces despite perfectly useable terms for it existing already or its presence meaning very little for the story at large.

>>21814412
man thats not bullying thats flat-out abuse.

>>21814412
Oh, that is... Something. So it's like Fifty Shades except they're TRYING to portray the guy as abusive and demeaning.

>>21814418
kinks don't have to be logical or socially acceptable. plenty of women have rape fantasies but that doesn't mean they actually want to be raped irl.

>>21814412
>>21814418
Now THAT'S a romance I'm willing to read, sounds like Confinement King

>>21813603
>>21813663
Nah Kraken is fun! Perdido is dope too just a little convoluted. Id say starting with the City and the City or even Embassytown is the best way. But imo Mieville really makes unique fantasy. The prose is a bit overcomplicated but you get into it and he has a very distinct style. And always S-tier World building

>>21813603
>>21814457
I agree, the story about Kraken is a good story. Really gets blood flowing, if you get my meaning :p

>>21814457
Perdido is just hey here's one thing -- oooh and here's another. And demons too! That's shit tier worldbuilding. It's incoherent, like a child wrote it. I was hype for it after City and was totally let down. I'll give him another chance someday.

>>21814463
>stock street scene pic
>stock girl pic
>stock heart shaped tentacle pic?

I just found there's an Artemis Fowl spinoff series with his twin little brothers as protagonists. I'm kinda getting the itch to re-read the originals for nostalgia's sake.
Wasn't there an Artemis Fowl movie recently? I bet it was unspeakably bad

>>21812010
What book

is it ok for me to think endymion was just a little bit too silly?

>>21814525
It was very bad. It was played more like Artemis wasn't aware his father was a criminal, and he wasn't really trying to be this conniving little shit, so it's just sort of "a kid and his good-at-fighting butler get involved with some supernatural stuff through wacky circumstances" instead of Artemis actually planning to take a hostage for ransom.

>>21814570
So they took basically the biggest defining trait of the main character and removed it? Absolutely brilliant.
I hope Eoin Colfer at least got a really fat check in exchange for letting some retards destroy his work

>>21814575
I didn't watch it but I learned bits and pieces, and, yeah, the fact his dad was a criminal is treated like this big reveal that Artemis gets upset about. It's hilarious.

>>21812010
It's because two souls reincarnated to be together is such a tired trope, it was interesting and new the first couple of times, nowadays people are tired of this shit, I hate women authors but in this case I can't really blame some roastie for fucking up something even further that is old and of no interest to anyone.

>>21814575
>>21814584
Oh, also, Dench is a woman now (played by Judi Dench, which is at least fair) so Holly's entire thing about being the first woman on the force is gone.

>>21814584
>from "I am the heir to my father's criminal empire and I will keep business afloat by any means" to "my father did WHAT?!"
It boggles the mind

>>21814594
Er, Root is Judi Dench. Brain fucked that one up. And they just kinda casually drop Butler's first name.

>>21814594
>Dench is a woman now (played by Judi Dench, which is at least fair)
Did they do it just for the pun? Gotta respect that level of commitment to bits

>>21814599
There's no character called Dench I just fucked it up. Root is played by Judi Dench, which as far as the type of character Root is, works, but it's sort of a 'point' about Holly that she's the first female captain in the force so having several female higher-ups kills that dead.

>>21814227
It's funny to see westerners, that isn't into light novels or anime praise this as a wholesome, chill fantasy, a novelty really. For someone that has read any isekai, this is boring as hell, only the dyke and pozzed lgbtq shit is novelty.

>>21814597
>hey, we gotta make this police boss character a woman because feminism!
>but, uh, killing this important story element about the other police woman rising through the ranks in a sexist police force monopolized by dudes is not very femi...
>SHUT UP

>>21814605
It has nothing to do with isekai, retard.

>Cil-Aujas is sooo spooky
>OH NOES!!! EYE ON UR HEART!!!

How is this creepy? As long as your chest stays closed I'd assume it'd be just like seeing with just two eyes because the one on your heart would be effectively blind...

This is dumb kid shit..

>>21814624
It uses the plot of hundreds of isekais. Don't be daft.

>>21814540
I abandoned this series after Fall of Hyperion, the whole series is full of silly shit, the Druid tree ship, the whole AI John Keats subplot...

What really did it for me was finding out that the Ousters were just a bunch of hippy mutant butterfly people and shit like that.

Pissed me off.

>>21814227
I know you people post this just to make me angry. Don't EVER post a Travis Baldree book here again, do you fucking hear me?

>>21814303
>>21814273
Holy fuck, didn't even see all of this. Travis Baldree is a fucking hack and managed to narrate early Progression Fantasy released to Audible. Most notably he does Cradle and he's fucking TERRIBLE at it. In every role he sucks every ounce of soul from the males and makes all the females disaffected harpies. He's failed upward so spectacularly that Reddit celebrates him like the fucking messiah and boosted his sub-par 'Legends and Latte's book into the best sellers list for the genre.

I hope he fucking DIES. He exists because of the 'Reddit Bump' and makes those happy little morons fellate him constantly to 'r-read m-my b-book, Travis??'

>>21812478
>Writers doing it in a few minutes
>Artists spending days on it
Don't get too cocky drawcucks

>>21814737
>hippy mutant butterfly people

i kinda got more of a farsight vibe from them

>>21814796
Still seems pretty ghey bruh

>>21814787
chill incelfreak

>>21814853
FUCK you. My hatred for Travis Baldree is infinite and I will not rest until his career is ruined.

>>21811321
Haven't been on /lit/ for a long while. Is the erotica review faggot still around?

>>21813554
Oh here he is

>>21813371
>What great fantasy epic takes place here? Which nations fall? What magic do they wield? Who's the bad guy?
Atlantis

>>21813554
All harems are for cucks.

>>21814858
I like the guy. Unashamed to serve a new ghetto subgenre that most actors would turn up their nose at. Giving voice to despised self-published outcasts. And far from being a grifter, his heartfelt embrace even had him writing a genre best-seller. Travis Baldree is a culture hero.

Just finish To your scattered bodies go. Why the fuck is this so highly recommended online? Half of it is literally just cunts along a river screaming at the main character for being anti-semitic before he died and Goring having guilt nightmares about Hitler and Nazis. The rest of it is a bullshit mystery that apparently doesnt get revealed for 4 books that no one ever talks about. Fuck off.

>>21814927
It's a truly horrible book. I don't know where you went that it was recommended, but don't go there again.

>>21814605
I keep hoping it'll kick off a trend of cgdct slice of life fantasy books. Doesn't seem to be happening.

Is A Song of Fire and Ice the best fantasy series since Tolkein's LOTR? I unironically think so. The dialogue, the symbolism, The worldbuilding, the foreshadowing, the twists, the character development and character evolution....it's all top notch imo

>>21814970
Can't forshadow what isn't published

>>21814970
This is leagues better than game of slop

>>21814970
martin is a hack who can't finish its own story, an eunuch

I have discovered my enjoyment of Sanderson's Stormlight Archive is directly proportional to how little Jasnah shows up in each book. Still halfway through Oathbringer, but fuck Jasnah. All my homies hate Jasnah. Actual insufferable flat earth atheist cunt.

>>21814970
>been 12 years since the latest book
>author is 74 years old
>supposedly writing a new book, and there's another one planned after that
I wanted to wait until the series was complete before getting into it but it's pretty clear the fucker won't live to finish it

>>21812787
Way of the Shaman is good all the way through, The Land has good stuff until it blows up at volume 8, Large Chests is required shitpost reading and Blessed Time was good as far as I read it. Worth the Candle is middling and TWI is remarkable only for its size.

>>21814927
>Why do pozzed zombies recommend pozzed goyslop?
It's a mystery, anon.

Are there any scifi books where the heroes are basically like the Empire from Star Wars? A protagonist in a pseudo-fascist faction? I know of Starship Troopers and Warhammer.

>>21814970
*Blocks your path*

>>21815178
There are a lot. One example is Ninefox Gambit.

>>21815200
checked. Was Ninefox Gambit any good?

>>21815238
ah fuck it's a series.. I'm tired of reading series. I also mix it up with Ancillary Justice which is also a series

>>21815031
>>21815050
>>21815080
>Can't forshadow what isn't published
>martin is a hack who can't finish its own story, an eunuch
it's about the journey, not the destination.

>>21814970
I just wish he'd say he's never finishing it and write another couple dunk and egg books.

>>21815251
How do you keep a moron in suspense?

I hope the shitty book i'm writing can get some views from Royal Road

>>21815287
Link it. NOW!!!

>>21815251
>write books about winter coming for 20 years
>never write a book about winter
How anyone tries to justify this kike goblin's behavior is beyond me.

>Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep
Loved it
>A Scanner Darkley
Loved it

>Man in the High Castle
Shit
>UBIK
Shit

Have I already exhausted Phllip K Dick's good works, or did I simply choose two shit books?

>>21815031
One cannot foreshadow works that have not been written. The Song of Ice and Fire had succumbed during the height of fantasy's goyslippification. But no woman editor has rejected it for being written by a man. No monthly patreon money had left it spinning it's wheels in filler. The Song of Ice and Fire was the refuge of the lazy fuck author and no one, not even God, could encourage a lazy fuck.

>>21815352
>Have I already exhausted Phllip K Dick's good works,
No
>did I simply choose two shit books?
Yes, High Castle is one of his worst books but normies love it because of "Dude, nazi japs in new york!!!"

>>21813461
>>21814970
>Reading unfinished series
Why?

>>21814339
I guess that explains the sudden drop in quality. Holy hell.

>>21814341
More like a Mary Shelley.

>>21815352
well son it's time to check out VALIS at this point. don't forget to put on your schizo hat and to read up a little on Gnosticism before hand

>>21815352
Dick doesn't have any good books. You attune to them more or less. It's why hollywood loves him (I don't mean this in a bad way). His books are inspired by withdrawal paranoia and played out in a seven day speed trip. Again, it's not an objection.

>>21815367
>High Castle
It's okay if but a bit dry.

>>21815295
It's not done yet. I'm in eternal editing

>>21815314
winter is still coming, trust the plan

I can't find anything to read so I'm just re-reading Mother of Learning.

>>21815372
Because im not a maladapted 30yo child who experiences bullshit like "book hangover"

this book started off really nice but Goddamn it fell hard and never picked back up
the quality of her prose doesn't make up for the half a dozen false endings that just go on, and on, and on, and on...

>>21815287
Long gone are the days where you could put something on RR and get readers without having to advertise or gaming their algorithm. It's the curse of RR's success.

>>21815520
Why? I read it, and it seemed neutered and inhuman. I mean with every loop he's pulled farther away from his fellow man, but the author doesn't ever seem to notice this, let alone comment on it. I'm a forgiving reader and I made my way through the book, but this seemed beyond the pale.

>>21815613
>Autistic manchild author doesn't realize his mc is an autistic manchild
Seems like the average webnovel experience to me

>>21815613
it's comfy

>>21815036
I thought this was boring crap, felt really underwhelming for some reason also too many characters for my taste

>>21815624
The Perfect Run is a time loop webnovel centered around the anguish of the MC's separation from the main course of human existence.

>>21815635
Sometimes it is, sure. But I found myself wishing the mc would even notice he's spent a decade he couldn't share with anyone.

>>21815613
>>21815624
>>21815645
Thoughts on omniscient reader?

>>21815645
I haven't talked to anyone in 10 years so it's fine by me.

>>21815670
Solidarity, bruv.

>>21813830
Training wheels that obviate the need for a plot or character motivations, just like a videogame.
>what does the mc spend his time doing?
Make number go up
>what does the he want to do?
Make number go up
>how does he do it?
Make number go up
>what are the motivations of the other characters in the setting?
Make number go up
>how does the setting function?
Make number go up

No need to construct a story, you're now free to just write stream of consciousness action and sex scenes while rambling about "philosophy" based on your personal, obviously enlightened and superior, political beliefs.

>>21815680
that explains why tasteless autists on an anime website are obsessed with it

>>21815691
>being on this website
>not being a tasteless autist
Why don't you fuck off back to plebville, Norm?

>>21815696
I'm a tasteful autist

>>21815520
Why not go back and read the original MoL is based on?
It's basically the same in spirit, but enough was changed so it'll initially seem unrecognizable until you pick up on the general flow of the plot. It's called chunin exam day, it's a naruto fanfiction.

>>21815706
Fair enough. But that puts the burden of taste on you. List the five great works of tasteful autism. Hard mode no Jack Vance.

>>21815717
Lord of the Rings
Dune
BOTNS
The Star Trek Reader vols I-IV by James Blish
Jackie Chan

>>21815036
I've seen a lot of people compare him to David Gemmell but with a more epic scope, is he really similar to him? I love gemmell's heroic fantasy.

>>21815767
>>21815036
something I remember hearing in these threads was that this series had a tendency to always keep the protagonists completely downtrodden, with the antagonists having overwhelming superiority at pretty much all times and the heroes always losing until basically the final battle, and I really hope that's not the case because I had enough of that shit in Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn

>>21815767
Gemmell basically wrote Sword & Sorcery in an Epic Fantasy framework which is why he was so kino.

I don't get mother of learning. It's well written but the characters and plot is idiotic. Even in the first chapter. A high ranking mage comes in and mom decides to fuck off. Wtf?

>>21815825
morning morning MORNING sir

>>21815825
>A high ranking mage comes in and mom decides to fuck off.
Huh? Of all the things to could criticise the book for you pick that??? It's a school test, your mom doesn't sit with you for your SAT.

>>21815858
A teacher from the school comes and gets him to sign up for classes in person.

>>21815858
It wasn't indicated like that. It was
>come in high ranking mage
>Mom leaves with sister
>LoL here's a scroll and a test
Either the mom knew it was a test, and we received no indication, or the author was just lazy and didn't want to write a scene like how mom is uncomfortable bringing sister but perfectly okay leaving her with a pedo.

>>21811321
So few posters here mention John Crowley. He writes, to my mind, the best prose, either genre or literary or expository, since Nabokov. I encourage everyone to at least try Little, Big for themselves.

>>21812277
Why is beneath the dragon eye moons in superior tier while Salvos is in do not read?. They're both the same generic Isekai slock, but Salvos at least gets to the point instead of meandering about for god knows how long.

>>21815745
Really good list actually. Every entry heavily filter neurotypicals.

how do you people read this fucking slop

>>21814473
While I get what you mean I think the things presented are usually linked enough for it to not just be a random list of ideas. Perdido might work better as a collection of short stories though where each idea gets its own real place. Still I think it makes the world waaaayyy more interesting and makes it feel more real in a way. New Crobuzon at least feels like a real city unlike 99% of cities in fantasy where its
>woah so many towers, I, the MC from the countryside made it to this amazing hayuuuge city
>lets go to the library/citadel/temple whoa
>wow I met the king/chancellor/whoever
Most cities in fantasy could be a fucking Rock with a chair and a cool painting on it

>>21815984
I'm reminded of the gates of Qarth opening in Game of Thrones to reveal a matte painting.

Can someone explain this book to me? I didn't fucking get it at all. I could follow the basic plot but I have no idea how it all ties together or what it all means.

>protag gets a system that encourages him to start a harem

absolutely disgusting

>>21816074

>>21816074
Do you get that it's weird that these stories have so many game mechanics that there's a special jargon for them, used only in this microgenre?
Do you get that it's cult-like? The other internet phenomenon that gives me the same feeling is teen fangirls on tumblr. The feeling of witnessing a bunch of other people acting strangely and thinking "that can't be good for them."

And just to make it absolutely clear I'm responding to the word "system," not "harem."

>>21811321
I personally recommend the Life of Riley series by Greg Howell.
you can find the finished 3 books here:
https://othrworlds.blogspot.com/p/blog-page.html
as well as part of the 4th which has not been completed yet.

>>21816125
When did "system" become such a ubiquitous thing? I first experienced litRPG enmasse via fanfiction where it is almost always referred to as "Gamer", named after (and originally modelled after) the 2013 Korean comic The Gamer.

>>21816146
'system' is the technical word used to describe complex components of games when it comes to real implementation

>>21816156
sure but no one used to say "I'm writing a story with a Farming-based System..." before 201X

>>21816165
I think gamifying stories is retarded in the first place so I wouldn't do it.

>>21816067
>computers are real bad, man

It's kind of fun rereading MoL. There's characters I forgot about, things that get mentioned early on that pay off later, etc. especially the plot which a character surmises a few chapters in, like 700,000 words before the MC figures it out

>>21811321
Is there such a thing as racing fantasy? I love motorsports and fantasy

Bakker is King.

Simple as.

>>21816067
The Cards are the analog soul of the AI, which becomes self-aware in the end.

>>21815421
Behold the man

>>21816412
But where did they come from? Who made them, and why? Why did Radley have them? What do the weird anatomically impossible images of animals have to do with it? What was the deal with the two criminals trying to get the cards? What the fuck was going on with the political situation re Oliphant towards the end and how is it relevant to the analog AI? What the hell was Ada Byron's whole deal? What was the significance of the secret societies? Why everything?

>>21816462
Where did they go, cum on eye hoe.

>>21816462
Here's the basic plot as I understood it:

1: prostitute Sybil learns about the cards from her boyfriend Mick. He gets murdered and drops the cards. The murderer takes them. Sybil steals some diamonds from Sam Houston and goes to France.

2: the two criminals get the cards from the murderer. Ada Byron is involved somehow. Mallory rescues her from them and ends up with the cards, which he hides in his dinosaur skeleton. A whole bunch of unrelated shit happens, culminating in Mallory and his band of merry men capturing one of the criminals.

3: diplomat Oliphant learns the other criminal died while stealing the cards from the dinosaur. He gets wrapped up in some political situation I don't understand at all then he goes to France and meets Sybil. Ada Byron is somehow involved again.

4: 150 years later, the AI gains sentience

Like, I get what the plot is, but there's so much shit in the story that makes no sense to me at all

>mistborn
If Ruin wanted to destroy the world so bad, why didn't he just turn off the ashmounts so the sun would have fried the planet's surface and everyone on it in a matter of minutes? I mean we see during the final battle how a few seconds' exposure to the sun under a clean sky is enough to set trees on fire. Instead he increased the ash so it would take months to finish the job, thus giving the good guys time to figure out how to stop him

Another case of a villain being defeated by his lack of pragmatism

>>21816536
>trying to make sense of anything Sanderson

>>21816536
>mistborn
the YA trash thread is over there

>>21816536
something something preservation

>>21816536
>by his lack of pragmatism
Gee i wonder if that has anything to do with him being a raving lunatic obsessed with suffering and destruction...

Theres literally a line in the book where ruin answers your question

>>21816569
I'd have thought he'd rather set the anthill on fire than sit around for a year waiting for the ants to just starve

>the Bakkerfags are now shitting up /v/
>>>/v/631627296

>>21816586
He's incapable of acting against the idea of Ruin, and being part of Ruin for so long means he has to take the most directly destructive action. Or some shit, I dunno, Mistborn era 1 gets progressively worse with each book.

>>21816604
>Now
Imagine being this new.

>>21816462
>>21816476
It's a book written by two writers: one who doesn't care as much for plot details, and the other who cares a bit too much.

>>21816604
he always finds the /v/ book threads
they usually start with a sanderson OP

>>21816436
honestly this sounds great- thanks.

>>21816609
So what you're saying is the prose is beautiful but it's ultimately a plot that makes no sense?

>>21816299
Who?

>>21816586
This anon >>21816605
Is correct. Dont forget, mans wiped out nearly all life on the continent with a tsunami. He was out fot destruction, not victory.

>A leaf in lightning, I shook. And the thunderclap was black
Wait, rothfuss is actually a good writer?

>>21816893
his prose is alright but he needs an editor who'll tell him when he's going overboard with something and making it too long and boring
case in point that whole section of the second book where he goes to the village of autistic sign language mercenaries or when he's in the realm of the horny fairy woman

>>21816912
He has an editor and that's how anyone knows that he hasn't submitted anything for book 3.

Read Murderbot Diaries

Shit's good

>piss fetish out of nowhere

>>21816968
later you discover that despite this being a POV character it's actually just some schizo delusion that doesn't exist
Brent Weeks is possibly one of the worst writers ever, never read his work

One of my favorite aspects of Le Guin's writing is how calm sections suddenly explode into big events like MC summoning the dead hero or when we realize why he was so weak in that tomb and who lives there. It's fantastic. Just wanted to say that. But if you can recommend something with a similar tone/feeling, I'll be happy.
Also, I started reading Gene Wolfe (first book about Severian) because it's highly regarded here, I hope I like it.

>>21817000
TYLER DURDEN

>>21816935
Great setup, no payoff.

Bought this omnibus a while ago. I expected The Gods of Pegāna to be banal and silly but it's actually incredibly enjoyable, thoughtful and refreshing.

>>21817025
Praise be the works of the pre-Tolkien masters.

>>21816935
That's one of the series that I would like less if I were paying for it, because its primary complaint seems to be how much the novellas cost.

>>21815971
Pssshhh I write this slop

>>>/v/631650343
Someone surely is angry.

>>21817057

>>>/v/631651306
Oh he mad now.

Based Bakker making people seethe all of these years later.

Am I retarded, prachettbros? I've tried to read like 3 different prachett books and bounce off every time, his shit is too goofy and whimsical and he seems to just completely forego actual worldbuilding, am I supposed to just literally turn my fucking brain off when I read these?

>>21817157
Anon, its a character drama.

>>21817157
>worldbuilding
That's only something autists with no literary talent focus on.

>>21817222
Gulliver's Travels exist to show off the storyworld, not some deep character drama, nor plot, and look how influential it has been. For that matter, Brave New World and 1984 are known for the implications of their worldbuilding, not for the characters themselves.

>>/v/631627296
lmao Bakker is for /v/ kiddies now

>>21817157
Discworld builds as it goes. You get basically a snapshot of the local world and some bits of the greater world with every book, and every book builds on the one prior to it in some way. The Watch is a disgraced mess in Guards! Guards! but later books have it be a genuinely respected part fo the city. Modern-day shit that keeps coming into play ends up changing the Disc's tech level subtly but surely. But it's largely about the characters, regardless. Vimes and Granny Weatherwax and Death and Susan and Carrot and Vetinari and Rincewind and all them. First two books are definitely more "whimsical fantasy parody", though, so it's trickier to get into them on that front.

>>>/v/631627296
>lmao Bakker is for /v/ kiddies now

>>21817341
tricked you into linking it properly by quoting me

>>>21817341
>tricked you into linking it properly by quoting me

>>21817315
There's still hope for them then after all.

>>21817157
I don't get this complaint at all, pretty much every discworld novel is fundamentally about introducing some aspect of the world and then exploring it.
Like Fifth Elephant is "what's going on in Uberwald", Feet of Clay is "whats the deal with Golems", Small Gods is about small gods etc etc
Sure there's a ridiculous amount of parodies and allusions on top of this but everything you read builds up your understanding of the world of the series.

>>21817361
It's honestly why I felt a little upset that apart from the Tiffany Aching books, almost everything after Monstrous Regiment was set in or around Ankh-Morpork and rarely felt like it built up much outside of the city.

>>21817229
Those are political treatises in story form. There's no deeper meaning to Discworld. It's just memes and troll physics. Capeshit level writing.

>>21817499
> Capeshit level writing.
Bullshit. Pratchett was one of the best writers of dialogue, fantasy or otherwise. Every character had a distinct voice.

>>21817561
>had a distinct voice.
You should start taking your schizo meds now, anon.

>>21817561
I read a Pratchett story for the first time just a month ago and it was the cringiest post-ironic shit I'd ever read, it was like a Goddamn Monty Python parody by a 30 year old manchild. Calling it capeshit is an insult - to capeshit.

>>21817577
then tell us what you read anon, we're all waiting to know what is better written than one of the most successful and highly regarded authors of all time.

>>21817589
Conrad...

>>21817605
You're in the wrong general Quentin.

>>21817577
Depends what you read. First books, like Colors of Magic, are pretty average. Reading sub-series of Discworld is highly recommended, i.e. Guards! Guards!

>>21815036
>Gwynne
Lol

>>21817561
I find his dialog competent but unremarkable. Not on the level of the genre founders or New Wave greats.

>>21817589
whataboutism

>>21817632
I read a short story of his from the 1990s, that's not exactly early in his career. 12 pages in a mass-market paperback and that was 12 pages too many.

>>21817589
I read a wide variety of books, but the most prevalent fantasy/scifi authors in my library are Tolkien, Terry Brooks, Gene Wolfe, Guy Gavriel Kay, Stephen Lawhead, Michael Crichton, James Blish, Timothy Zahn, K.W. Jeter, Tanith Lee, Wayne Barlowe, C S Lewis, Mercedes Lackey, Robert E. Howard, Tim Powers, and David Eddings.
I won't count those authors that I read and hated, like Tad Williams, or Dennis L. McKiernan.

>>21817589
Shakespeare

>>21817625
Lol /lit/ has a resident conrad fag?

>>21817030
he inspired both tolkien and lovecraft, and i think C.A. Smith too.

>>21817871
Yknow ive never really thought about it but tolkien and lovecraft are very similar.

>>21817718
>Kay
>Lawhead
>Zahn
>Tanith "i like incest" Lee
>Lackey
>Howard
>Powers
>Eddings
Based Classic fantasy/scifi poster

>there are no mistborn in the new world in the 2nd trilogy
>but the genetic lines with the strongest allomancy genes all trace back to Spook
Did the fucker just repopulate earth or something? That spergy nerd?

THREAD
SLAAAAAAAAAAAVE

>>21817886
I disagree. Tolkien ripped a lot of his shit right out of Celtic mythology. Almost nothing he came up with is original, just repurposed. Some of Lovecraft's shit, I am pretty sure he was the first to do cosmic horror.

>>21817971
told you dawg

>>21818079
It was William Hope Hodgson. House on the Borderland was the start of cosmic horror along with Chambers' The King in Yellow. Lovecraft was inspired by them as well as other victorian weird fiction that was circling around the concepts.

>>21817961
those are just the SFF authors I've read more than one entry of, obviously there are lots of authors out there I have yet to read and plan to, but simply haven't gotten around to it yet, like David Gemmell who I hear nothing but good things about and am looking forward to eventually, but he has a huge bibliography and I don't know where to get started

>>21811870
>see warhammer
>ctrl+c, ctrl+v

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>>21818266
Don't bother, it's just going to be shit.

>>21818281
If people acted that way you would have been aborted.

>>21818627
damn dude gottem