/lit/ - Literature

>>21807043
pozzed shit site

What is this about?

>>21807043
Good. Pay for your books. They aren’t expensive

What will it lose exactly?

>>21807089
The big four are suing them. They are claiming that Archive.org's digital library service is illicit.

>>21807099
At the very least, I expect that they will be forced to stop providing books.

Thanks Capitalism

>>21807089
archive.org let's you read scanned pdfs of copyrighted books. They have a bunch of stuff that is not on LibGen or z-lib. They are being sued by book publishers.

How to pirate pdfs from the site:
https://pastebin.com/CVAU430m

>>21807094
if your reading is exclusively limited to 1000 books you must read before you die

>>21807114
Name 10 books worth reading that you can’t currently buy

>>21807117
i would but the catholics would burn them

>>21807117
I have more than 10 books you can’t buy (as in are in print). Any small or private press collection would qualify but also most collections of books that are significantly old. Is this where you start to equivocate and claim some backwater print on demand using bad photocopies count as “in print”?

>>21807110
*Jews

Damn I just read 3 harry potter books on that website

>>21807117
>>21807094
shalom

This seems like the appropriate thread to ask
To anyone who took part in the thread when Z-Library was being shut down (>>/lit/thread/S21209465)), I was the anon who posted a server in an effort to get back some of the most important books (>>21210229). I believe quite a few members joined to help me with my bookmarks, the plan was to import my bookmarks and download all the titles from Gen Lib then upload it in Terabox. I was going to share the Terabox link to /lit/ but the plan was cancelled because apparently the entirety of Z-Library's contents were saved in a torrent.
If you were part of that server and you're reading this right now, do you still have my bookmarks saved? My laptop got bricked so I lost everything. Thank you :>

>>21807372
annas-archive.org
Also look up IPFS project to decentralise Libgen.

>>21807383
I know I could just find the books again, but I’m missing like 1500 book titles from my bookmarks and I really don’t want to go search for those again. I don’t think I even remember a fifth of those titles

>>21807398
Oh, sorry, never mind.

>>21807117
How about old magazine scans? I've been using archive.org to look at MAD's evolution through the years. They're all out of print and if they were ever reprinted, every racial caricature and ethnic slur would be censored.

>>21807411
It’s alright, you didn’t know. Thanks for trying to help though

>>21807370
>paying for books is... le bad
communist.

>>21807772
I pirate everything. Go fuck yourself.
t. far-right extremist

>>21807354
What's the difference?

>>21807043
>ywn experience dozens of pretty obscure and esoteric artefacts from entire human history in the world with just several fucking clicks
it's totally over

>>21807043
That's sad. They have the books which no one else have.

>>21807043
Does this include their musical output too? Cause if that's the case I'll stay up all night downloading what I need

>>21807418
from 2006

>>21807043
bomb corporations
bomb the government
not in minecraft either

>>21807372
Z-Library is still around, you just have to jump through a few hoops to get to it. Check the Reddit to find out how.

>>21807043
you stupid nigger, WHY WOULD YOU ONLY BRING THIS UP THE DAY BEFORE IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN

>>21807089
The complaint: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.537900/gov.uscourts.nysd.537900.1.0_1.pdf
It's a doozy

>>21808676
Lmao
>Oy vey, books, for free? Kill it now!
Copyright law is a cancer on society

>>21808676
>With just a few clicks, any Internet-connected user can download complete digital copies of in-copyright books from Defendant.
Can he? Most books that are available for download are really old, so I assume they are public domain.

>>21808731

>>21808734
But are they downloadable?
Basically their argument boils down to "Digital lending is piracy even if they paid for their copies".

>>21807043
Oh no we'll have to use existing piracy infrastructure like libgen instead
Pirstes never lose

>>21808755
They mention on p. 26 that some books still under copyright are able to be downloaded without DRM under the "read" option.

>>21808676
>>21807100
>>21807111
Are they going to remove everything, or only the copyrighted stuff? There are a bunch of historical materials that only exist on Archive

>>21807772
Yes
Enjoy bankrolling your enemies, liberal.

>>21808791
They will probably end up a worthless shithole like modern youtube with vast swaths of information wiped daily by censors until there are only a handful of useful scraps left.

>>21808734
i dont think i would feel consequences in anyway if they pulled books from the last 20 years

Poor people problems.

>>21808697
>>21807370
/pol/ has given you goofs brain damage

>>21808731
They can't, most of the time. Some copyrighted books are indeed uploaded and incorrectly marked as public domain by the users, but that should be simply reported to IA, or they should demand stricter control of the content on part of IA (which really does let its database grow chaotic and inconsistent).

>>21809176
I'm actually a socialist but calling porkies jews is just more efficient here.
No, libraries are not illegal or immoral and you should slit your wrists if you think otherwise.

>>21807043
The US government spends taxpayer money to prevent people from reading books.

>>21807089
it started with chuck wendigo, who saw that his schlocky garbage was posted on archive (it had 4 views and 0 downloads) and instantly assumed he was being pirated out of trillions of shekels. he then launched an outcry rally amongst his dweeb and tranny twitter followers to go on a book burning witchhunt against Archive, because he has no life and looks like a $01jac meme irl. He is possibly whom the original $01jac was based on, actually. Now he and other unreadable hacks are trying to get Archive taken down, and delete the 99% of its content that is old, obscure, out of print books that people actually want to read and cannot get anywhere else, just in case anyone is downloading their stark wharfs consoomer garbage from there instead of paying the wendigo his point four shekels of royalties for it.

So a bunch of star wars nerds and trannies are putting the torch to the library of alexandria because their palm isn't being greased enough, and the US govt is expending taxpayer dollars to accomplish this.

kf has the full story up. worth noting, trannies also tried to get kf deleted, because they had compiled evidence of the crimes of trannies against minors.

>>21809446
>this person is about to destroy an important cultural archive
seems appropriate

>>21809459
>person
bug

>>21809446
>kf has the full story up.
I'm not terminally online, what's "kf"?

This all seems very simple. Libraries should
>Only be able to lend as many copies of an ebook as they have purchased
>Have an effective way limiting access to that book for the time period where it is checked out
>Making copies of an entire ebook should not be legal (although I will still find a way)

>>21809602
Kiwi Farms

>>21809634
My understanding of internet archive is that they don't moderate, they only show whatever is uploaded. That means they either need an expensive moderation team, or they will start striking things at first complaint.

>>21809634
why?
>we have to artificially limit knowledge access
>because reasons
clown

>>21809649
Because that's the basis of copyright law. Publishers and authors currently have the right to be paid for their work, at least in the developed world.

>>21809655
>(((copyright law)))
Christ is ashamed of you

GUYS WHAT ARE THE PUBLISHERS SUPPORTING TAKING ARCHIVE.ORG DOWN? I'VE HEARD PENGUIN IS ONE OF THEM. WE SHOULD MAKE A LIST NAMING EACH PUBLISHING HOUSE AND BOYCOTT THEM!!!

>>21809668
Is yours like to overturn the law that's another issue, but certainly not within the scope of this case
Of course you are just looking for a reason to be mad.

>>21809682
Hachette Book Group, Harper Collins Publishers, John Wiley & Sons, and Penguin Random House

>>21809713
t. terminal modernist

>>21807043
Anyone listening to this?
https://controlleddigitallending.org/2023/03/20/hachette-v-ia-liveblog/

>>21809634
That's exactly what IA is doing. They only stopped for a while during the lockdowns.

>>21809642
Oh. Those people are retards with delusions of grandeur, some random writers that they decided to stalk are not influential enough to do this. I've already heard that this whole effort is led by some other YA "writer" from TikTok, but in both cases it's ridiculous. IA is being sued by five different publishing houses, not by some writer's twitter following.

>>21809716
Besides Penguin, it will be easy to never buy a book from these publishers.

>>21809682
>boycott
but i already pirate everything i read
>>21809713
jew

>>21809775
How do they verify that people don't keep ebooks for too long?
How do they prevent people from copying them?
I've only used it for really old PDFs and research.

>>21809789
The books can only be used within the browser or with a special Adobe program. In the first case, the book is automatically "returned" after one hour (but can be "loaned" again immediately), and in the latter case the file is automatically disabled after a week.

>>21809742
>Michelle Wu (Mar 20, 2023, 1:58 PM)
I think the core problem is that the judge is focusing on the traditional economic theory of copyright instead of the equitable purpose of the Copyright Clause and fair use
That economic lens is getting in the way of seeing equitable purposes
It's over

>>21809742
>Michelle Wu (Mar 20, 2023, 1:58 PM)
>I think the core problem is that the judge is focusing on the traditional economic theory of copyright instead of the equitable purpose of the Copyright Clause and fair use
>That economic lens is getting in the way of seeing equitable purposes
Archivesisters...not like this...

>>21809446
But what does modern sci-fi writer laureate, pepperoni gourmet, and 2016 Milwaukee Brewers mini-marathon fun run champion, Patrick S. Tomlinson have to say about the archive.org digital library controversy? I certainly hope his classic works like Starship Repo, Gate Crashers, and Making Pepperoni African Style aren't being infringed upon by this alt-right piracy site.

>>21809886
The plaintiffs shat themselves at the end lol

>>21809181
>they should demand stricter control of the content on part of IA
basically, they want to ruin the site. this is how it always goes with anything good, eventually someone will complain to the government and force the owners to moderate the content. then it eithers gets too unwieldy/costly to moderate all of the content, or it gets too heavy-handed and lots of content is purged

Losing archive.org would be momentous, there are fucking millions of 17th-19th century classic books on there that are really difficult to access otherwise except in physical copies at a major university library.

This will be an incredible loss, on par with losing libgen or even worse in many cases.

>>21809176
Why do anti-/pol/ posters always defend the most bizarre, anti-human positions, and somehow always manage to include some gay shit in their post like "y'all are goofs fr fr" or "Get a grip, jack!"

>>21810105
if they shut down the wayback machine it would be absolutely culturally devastating, like the national archives and the smithsonian burning all at once

>>21809823
So are there books that they are wrongfully loaning or not? The allegations seem to be that they have modern books under copyright that they should not be allowed to distribute.\

I've never used Archive for anything newer than 100 years, so this is new information for me.

These publishers are so mad that libraries exist. They think every single time a person looks at a book they should be paid for it like it's a service. They can't do anything (yet) about real physical libraries, so they're taking a shot at this instead.

>>21807111
>They are being sued by book publishers.
What I find surprising about this lawsuit is that it took this long for it to occur.

>>21810167
The publishers are claiming revenue/profit loss because digital loans are competing with ebook sales and their (terrible) digital licensing programs, where libraries pay fees for temporary permission to loan ebooks.

Archive is saying they operate just like a traditional library, by making one time purchases of their books and only making the same quantity available, just doing it digitally for convenience.

Can’t they ask Putin for asylum and move their service to a foreign server like everyone else?

>>21808092
Based and free hand pilled
If they didnt want me to pirate it then they wouldnt make it so hard to buy

>>21809719
Thats a new one

>>21810213
my local library also loans ebooks. How is that different from what Archive does?

>>21810252
Scale and reach presumably

>>21810213
is that a unique model for libraries? I thought that's how most ebooks were lent.
Is it more expensive to use the digital licensing programs? It must be, if they're suing over it.

>>21810262
to be fair, ebooks don't wear out. I was listening to a planet money podcast a few months ago before I knew of this issue, and they said each book typically gets something like 30(?) lends before it needs to be replaced. I can see how it sucks for authors to have 1 copy of your books lent out 100k times for eternity.

>>21809473
>Bug
Bacteria

>>21810202
They got too cocky with that "Emergency National Library" stunt

>>21810252
I don't know without working for the library or whatever, but I assume they'd be going through the publisher's license programs, where a fee is paid and you have permission to loan an ebook for X amount of time, or X number of loans, whichever comes first. Obviously publishers want everyone doing this since it means they're getting X$ per loan, even if nobody ever checks it out.

Archive is buying physical books, scanning them, and then loaning the digital copy out as if it were the real book. I forgot the scanning real books part in the first post, so sorry if that caused any confusion.

A lot of the argument is whether or not the rules that apply to lending out a real book in a library apply equally to a digital version made from that book.

>>21807094
I dumpster dived for my entire library. To pay these days is beyond foolish. Rn there's millions upon millions of books, magazines, tapes, records, etc. behind used book stores waiting around in recycling bins for collection day.

>>21810263
Obviously not going to be universally accurate, but this is what a quick search says: "Today, it is common for e-book licenses from major publishers to expire after two years or 26 borrows, and to cost between $60 and $80 per license"

>>21809913
>having a bad day
>reminded that patrick tomlinson exists
>smile
truly a blessing

>>21807043
I hope they don't close the site but just take out copyrighted stuff.
Their collection of out of print Latin readers is very good

>>21807094
I care less about paying them then to have them in pdf free DRM. Fuck paper and fuck drm protected digital readers.

>>21810821
nothing screams more freedom than a pdf free of drm

>>21810839
except an epub

>>21807043
What does that mean for their radio collection?

They have practically complete bbc 4 dramas going back decades. 1981 Lord of the Rings, two splendid versions of Brideshead Revisited, Raffles, and countless other shows. Although many of them are a bit tricky to navigate to, since they're not catalogued. They have everything up there, so it's just the matter of going to bbc's schedule, and looking back through the archives.

>>21807111
doing the steps for the 1 hour book lending gives error (the book is borrowed). pic related

>>21810798
>Their collection of out of print Latin readers is very good
What would you recommend?

archive.org was used for niche and history stuff for a history class I took last semester, I don’t know where else to find 1800s personal accounts of mental asylum inpatients

>>21810945
and now you understand the end goal here. you didn't have to go through institutional channels to get that information, and TPTB want that to change.

>>21810945
this. i get some weird fucking books from there, out of print stuff you can't even find for sale. and some drama from an asspained sturrr wuuuurs bugman is going to take that from me.

>>21810456
60 to 80 bucks is super gay

>>21810945
my house is from the 1890s and I found the original door hardware in a Corbin catalog on it. pretty neat
there are also dozens of old architectural planbooks where you could order house blueprints through the 19th c.

>>21810213
why don't they just pony up the higher fees?

>>21811071
>middlemen deserve whatever they want

>>21811071
Paying usurers is a sin, passing legislation to exile all usurers to dead is a blessing

>>21811071
Why would they want to get sucked in to what is basically a subscription service? It would be paying the publishers over and over for the same item, just for permission to have it on their "shelf". Real libraries with real books don't have to do that nonsense.

They already have thousands of books, some bought with donated funds, and some donated from various sources, including several now-closed physical libraries. They just want to be able to offer that to people in a fair way that still respects copyright law.

>>21810918
update: I tried again after some minutes and looking at some pages in IA and it worked thanks

>>21809176
when the fuck was to abolish copyright the right wing agenda you fucking libtard

im sad that the internet is moving towards toward industralized death. i dont know what else im going to do with my life when even this site is gone, i guess ill just read pre-1950s books all day or something.

>>21807772
Copyright was reasonable when it was 20 years from date of first publication.
But greedy mega-corporations like Disney have managed to get that extended to the life of the author plus 70 years.
That's highway robbery.
Pirating media is now a legitimate protest against big corporations that we can't possibly fight against.

>>21810924
Anything by Appleton and Jones if you don't feel prepared for ancient authors yet

>>21811201
mickey mouse protection act lmao
it's all fucked. is it 75 years beyond the death of the author now?

>>21811204
Wonderful, thanks anon!

>>21807043
can't wait for it to die :)

>>21808133
>obscure and esoteric artefacts from entire human history
please link one

>>21807418
Sweet, it had a torrent available containing 550 issues of Mad Magazine!
Score!
>>21811581
That torrent, for one.

>>21810268
>they said each book typically gets something like 30(?) lends before it needs to be replaced.
I've seen books with 50+ lendings, frequently by schoolkids who wreck the book. But it's still usable. Maybe this applies to the american softcover-oriented book market.

>>21810456
Jesus Christ

>>21811581
The website Public Domain Review is basically dedicated to sifting through archive.org and finding ridiculous and beautiful stuff there.
https://archive.org/details/theathenianoracl00unde

>>21808485
>trannies and gays are now sacred cows
>meanwhile us shortbros are still despised and treated like 2nd class citizens

>>21807117
The Latin Renovatio of Byzantium
I do not have $400

>>21807105
No. DAISY will still exist, maybe mot as openly on IA. Creative Commons and public domain will still exist. The webcrawler isn't being questioned. The music and video archives aren't being questioned. IA is quite safe.

>>21812262
Why wouldn't nintendo and everyone else descend on them like flies on shit if (when) they lose?

>>21809459
Coffee junkies are ver weird about their addiction publicly.

>>21811688
I was actually looking for that

>>21812268
Typical drug-addict behavior.

>>21807117
Tomb for 500.000 Soldiers is one of my favourite books, I would not have been able to read it if not for pdfs on the internet, the english copy is out of print and currently goes for like 560 dollars on amazon.

>>21810105
That stuff's all safe, as it's all public domain. What we stand to lose are all the 20th century books that cost €600 and can only be found at a library in a different country.

>>21807043
Don't care. I have been planning my suicide for quiet sometime.

Nick Land was right.

sooner or later they'll take down 4chan too. its like the pillars of the old internet are slowly being destroyed.

>>21811256
Death plus 70 for single authors, 95 from publishing date for corporate works. Gisnep already has a bill drafted to bump it to 150, just in time for Steamboat Willie.

>>21812773
>That stuff's all safe, as it's all public domain
When something enters the public domain it doesn't spontaneously digitise itself and show up online.

>>21812807
i don't think that will happen. maybe I'll be free after 10+ years

>>21807043
does anyone here have an actual like deep web alternative to read free books? or are we just fucked?

>>21814882
>muhhh deep web le epic haXXor sites
Deep web users don't read books.

>>21809716
Firebomb their offices in Minecraft desu

>>21807043
calm down worst case they just switch all texts to the gay borrow system

>>21807117
literally anything to do with political topics outside neoliberalism

Bump
>>21814952
Retard

How about convincing Elon Musk to send a datacenter space station hosting Internet Archive content to space and delivering it via Starlink?

>>21814420
But it's already there, anon. The judge is not going to close the site, he's going to demand they take down copyrighted material. He did but seem sympathetic to the publishers' claims of economic losses, so there is unlikely to be large damages awarded.

>>21815730
The borrow system is what they're being sued for, anon.

>>21810821
Seriously, this. DRM is unironically one of the greatest threats to individual liberty in the West. Fuck publishers, I hope they all die.

>>21816333
They are sued because some idiot thought that disabling the borrowing system when the pandemic shit started was a good idea and it got too much attention.

>>21807094
You can't buy books that have been out of print for decades and of which most copies are already burnt or shredded. I really don't give a fuck about books that are still sold and distributed through mainstream channels, those are guaranteed to be able to be pirated anyway. It's the rare and forgotten stuff that has been mostly destroyed already, that matters.

>>21816338
Indeed, but they stopped that and the lawsuit is still doing ahead. The publishers are arguing that the digital lending system constitutes unauthorised reproduction, and that it shouldn't be allowed without paying licencing fees.

>>21816376
Any book that the publishers should give a fuck is available and will be available in the future from dozens and dozens of pdf hosting sites, without any kind of DRM or other hassle like the CDL. Only thing this shit is going to affect are the books that have already been destroyed and forgotten from nearly everywhere. Those who are controlling the major publishing houses from behind, are using this plainly as an excuse to destroy huge amounts of information that can be inconvenient for their agenda of world domination via control of the distribution of information. It isn't any different from torching the library of Alexandria, the means are just more "civilized" nowadays.

>>21807111
>let's you read scanned pdfs of copyrighted books.
They sued Google for the exact same thing and at the end Google settled with them.

>>21807043

>>21809649
Capital, aka money, that's the only reason

>>21816618
Basically yes, but in their thinking mankind in it's unconscious state is their capital. Whatever they possess in traditional sense of money is worthless compared to them being able to control and therefore own people with information they have and the rest lack.

>>21807117
The reynal and hitchcock uncensored and annoyed edition of Mein Kampf, which is the most unbiased English translation I could find, where it aims to be as objective as possible while providing context for martyrs and politicians that English audiences would likely be unfamiliar with. They let Hitler explain himself and you can see how based/retarded he was without being told by wehraboos/star wars fans. This translation was done shortly after Hitler annexed Austria and hasn't been in print for 80 years.

Bump.

>>21816059
I doubt you'll see this, but I keep a database of them on my machine.
>>21816967
Care to link it?

>>21818502
Will do when I get home

>>21818502
>Care to link it?
You know that Internet Archive has a search function, right?
https://archive.org/details/meinkampfcomplet00hitl/page/n6/mode/1up

>>21807117
Burton's Arabian Nights.

>>21820525
>public domain text isn't available for purchase
doubt.jpg

https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/21905/the-arabian-nights-by-translated-with-a-preface-and-notes-by-sir-richard-f-burton/

>>21820525
Wut?

>>21807117
Almost anything on Moldbug's reference list from UR.

>>21807772
Not anon you replied to, but I rather be a commie than a pedo kike.

>>21812807
They will not take down 4chan. They will continue to infiltrate it as they are already doing Subverting is more in the interests of our rulers. Just look at /pol/ nowadays. 80% is raids, glowniggers and almost no genuine people are left. /lit/ will be the same soon.

>>21820293
Yes but
>14 day loan required to access EPUB and PDF files.
I was hoping to actually download it

>>21809446
Amazing that Chuck is involved in this, and even more amazing that he managed to get fired from Marvel for being TOO insufferably liberal… that’s like Himmler firing a guy from the SS for being too antisemitic

>>21820293
This is the best I can do for now. But I think lcpdf might be DRM.

>>21814882
I would post the Tor link for the library but I'm sure this thread is being monitored and I'm feeling genuinely sad and impotent about it. Z-library is still on Tor, you can find the link with a simple Google search. That's all I will say.

>>21811572
now why on earth are you looking forward to that?

>>21820701
>Just look at /pol/ nowadays. 80% is raids, glowniggers and almost no genuine people are left.
Of course. It couldn't possibly be due to the sort of clientele you get when your pitch is "Hitler dindu nuffin".

>>21809459
>>21809446
thanks for the qrd, i hope a new hitler comes soon!

>>21810945
Link to those sources?

>>21820535
Maybe if you read the text below you would notice it says, that it only contains some tales from the Burton's 17 volume set. Actually, if you just noticed the title of the book, you would know they are only some of the tales. Of course, a dude who doesn't read is going to be against archive.org.

>>21816344
This.

>>21807117
College textbooks unless you are rich.

>>21821296
Lol they are so expensive that it is cheaper to get a textbook made from a craftsman bookbinder than to buy it from the publisher.

>>21807418
For me it's smut magazenes from the 30s filled with ads for boner pills and abortion medicine

>>21821186
I'm not against archive.org I'm just surprised if that's true, there must be at least some print on demand service selling it

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/58722/58722-h/58722-h.htm

>>21809775
>IA is being sued by five different publishing houses
I'm not terminally online. What's IA?

>>21822567
>IA = Internet Archive
It isn't "terminally online" that is the problem, it is your inability to connect the dots. I bet I can guess your politics.

>>21822405
If there is, they get it printed off archive.org.

>>21823404
or gutenberg

bump

>>21824087
check this out dude
https://nelsonhurst.com/genryus-blade/

>>21822567
Iä! Shub-Niggurath! Cthulhu fthagn!

>>21822567
>"what could IA stand for in the context of a thread about the Internet Archive?" Anon wondered to himself. "I'm completely stumped."

>>21823611
Where do you think Gutenberg gets its books from lol?
Besides, the Gutenberg one is html, so will probably print like shit, missing or at least have very disorganised index and footnotes.

>>21822631
>>21824169
These are bots. Bots can't follow reply chains.

>>21821027
/pol/ until a few years ago, used to be a place with many great people who exposed the darkest parts of society.. It's simply the truth. You wouldn't know it if you never lived there. That's why intelligence agencies and communists-jews took it over, because they feared it.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.537900/gov.uscourts.nysd.537900.188.0.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1rM4_dbpOOKJUi5fRa112PSyoEYcd1z_ePwpL4WUEgA1FVIiWuiLCRs8w

Go woke, go broke.

>>21827423
>Hosting books is woke
Retard.

>>21812807
We can only hope. The site is unusable now but it’s tough to cut the last strings

>>21827437
Surprisingly, I wouldn't be too upset about this. I run my own ib anyways.

>>21807117
Most of the older magic the gathering books were never digitized and are incredible hard to get ahold of.
Usually selling for a few hundred dollars due to being collectors items with no reprints.

>>21827429
It's socialism.

They're going to appeal
http://blog.archive.org/2023/03/25/the-fight-continues/

>>21807772
I am a ultra far right libertarian objectivist.
Piracy is great and you should pirate most things in most circumstances if it's a available option.
Middlemen can suck a dick.

>>21827469
>socialism
..How in the hell is it "socialism" to preserve old, out of print books?
If you knew anything about the worldview you think you hate, you'd know that marxists destroy history like this.
Archiving was done by aristocrats, meritocracies.
>>21827480
Good. I'll keep my downloads going, just in case.
>>21827486
I'm a far-right extremist apologist / third positionist. Piracy and archiving are both extremely important activities.
t. 20TBs of pirated shit (and counting)

>>21809634
Why?

>>21809716
Noted and they won't ever see a dime from me.
And yes I actually do buy quite a few books. Including occasionally ordering for a private school library.
They officially lost my business.

>>21827531
How will they ever survive now? Kek

>>21809446
>>21809459
I love it, it's like Barney Fife accidentally burning down the Library of Alexandria

>>21809459

>>21821326
Shit, I was going to be a pedantic ass and prove you wrong but you are actually right.
Can get hand bound books for $50 - $150 dollars depending on how elaborate it is. Meanwhile I remember certain textbooks costing almost $500 back when I was in school.
What the fuck dude.

>>21827575
Poor people shouldn’t be going to school anyway. $500 isn’t much $ at all

>>21827575
I rarely spend more than $3/book...
>>21827586
I prefer the meritocracy route. If the poor kid is capable, yeah. But no niggers.

>>21827586
That's for just one textbook in one class. You may not think $500 is much, but when you're taking five classes in a semester and each class has two textbooks on average, shit adds up real quick.

>>21807094
>pay for rare out of print books that will run you in the hundreds of dollars for a copy
I'd really rather not do that, anon. I pay for books when it makes sense to, especially if they're translations (to support translating more works), but for some books it's really just not feasible to do this; and access to a library that may have a physical copy is not always a simple task either

>>21807094
how about you suck my dick, faggot

>>21807094
kys chuck wendig and save everyone the time

>>21827313

>>21827313
Jews win again

The only thing this society can successfully do is mutilate dicks and give degenerates money to waste on degeneracy. This place is a torture chamber for decent people

>>21827606
To what? A few thousand? Kek

>>21827480
They fucking HAVE to decentralise the site now.
FUCK

>>21827564
Aaaaaaaaaaand he locked up his twitter

>>21816967
>The reynal and hitchcock uncensored and annoyed edition of Mein Kampf
yeah about that
>The Reynal Hitchock translation is very poorly made. It is now known that the list of "experts" listed in the front of the book did not actually do the translating. Some of them had nothing to do with the book and some translation was done by assistants not listed.


>The Ford translation is the new standard and the best edition published.

https://www.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_value_of_mein_kampf_by_reynal_and_Hitchcock_1939_complete_and_unbridged

https://archive.md/m75TK

Should I start panic downloading everything? I've already started with music hosted on Zippyshare

>>21828135
The entire database contains over 100 petabytes of material. Good luck with that.
I'd rather wait for a decentralised p2p form of the site (something like how Libgen was uploaded to IPFS). Because, sure, you can download a few things, but then nobody else will be able to retrieve them from you, so it's completely worthless for just about everyone.

>>21828135
>>21828164
Just download what you want and think might be nice. I've been dealing with video games for the last few months.
pic related is what I have a full stack of.
>768G / 1.8TB for PS1 so far
I'm running out of space unfortunately and haven't been able to buy more hard drives yet. I might have enough room for the full gamecube set, but I might just get the 3DS. I'm not sure yet.
Anyways, grab the older, out of print books if you can. It would be best to grab copies of anything older than the 1950's. Although I know someone mentioned wanting to get a set of everything made 1900 and earlier.

>>21820554
Commies are pedos as well. Avoid both those groups.

Remember when the internet was going to allow the free flow of information.
What a shithole it has become.

>>21827480
They should have settled the thing out of court and just stopped lending copyrighted books, this seems like they're throwing money away on legal fees. The archive is much more valuable as a repository of public domain books, some very rare and hard to obtain texts are readily available there. Hopefully the court decision only affects the loaning feature and the rest won't be touched.

>>21807117
Books from my home country

>>21828810
The thing is, the books that are officially public domain, mostly have been archived elsewhere too, even conventional libraries and others provide download access to them. It's all the stuff that still technically is under copyright but totally unobtainium in any sensible way that matters.

>>21828810
Exactly. The stuff that is still copyrighted is already available in libgen or zlib. It's really the old stuff that I go there for. You can't find those anywhere, at least not in good quality.
>>21828823
Incorrect.

>>21828470
How dare you to talk shit about our god and saviour Stalin!?!

>>21828670
thoughbehonest its going exactly as predicted, with corporations making the rules and putting you inside their adboxes (applications) where you can only do what they allow you to do.

>>21807043
An news update on Internet Archive's demise:

https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/24/23655804/internet-archive-hatchette-publisher-ebook-library-lawsuit

>>21829015
>theverge
Not clicking that, can you summarize?

>>21829023
>Not clicking that, can you summarize?
Lazy bum.

"A federal judge has ruled against the Internet Archive in Hachette v. Internet Archive, a lawsuit brought against it by four book publishers, deciding that the website does not have the right to scan books and lend them out like a library."

"Koetl [the judge] wrote that any “alleged benefits” from the Internet Archive’s library “cannot outweigh the market harm to the publishers,” declares that “there is nothing transformative about [Internet Archive’s] copying and unauthorized lending,” and that copying these books doesn’t provide “criticism, commentary, or information about them.”"

" The Internet Archive says it will continue acting as a library in other ways, despite the decision. “This case does not challenge many of the services we provide with digitized books including interlibrary loan, citation linking, access for the print-disabled, text and data mining, purchasing ebooks, and ongoing donation and preservation of books,” writes Freeland."

Attached in the article there's the full official document of the process; so if you want to know more, stop being a slothful cunt and read it.

>>21829033
>Attached in the article there's the full official document of the process
Just link it, the verge is garbage, never clicking.

>>21828888
>who was Beria

>>21828092
https://www.bytwerk.com/Ford-Translation/ford-errors.htm
While the Mannheim edition is clear in it's distain for Hitler, the Ford version is not perfect either. I also could not find any other sources about the claim that the R&H translation was even in part done by assistants outside of Ford's own claims in Mein Kampf: A Translation Controversy, and he does not cite where he got this information. When looking through his comparisons between his translation and R&H, I would say that only a couple of his examples change meaning of the text (R&H not understanding "sheep's head" is a card game, not calling a person a "muttonhead).

Never purchase a product from any publisher involved in this suit

>>21829172
I never will and I'll check, I'll get it from the pirate bay or go for a group buy in private channels. Fuck these subhuman demons.

>>21807043
i'm glad, my local library was allowing digital borrowing of books. this is the first step towards finally outlawing these copyright infringing institutions. people should have given up on this idea when alexandria burned.

>>21829228
>The myth that the Library of Alexandria burned
It's almost like an exercise in how trusting humanity is. It never burned.

>>21827531
They don't have to. Libraries and schools automatically buy their new releases and when they buy from Independent publishers, they buy through Amazon.

How fucked up is that? We literally subsidize these companies for hundreds of millions of dollars from taxpayer money, then they turn around and use that to shut down competition and make new laws to further give themselves a monopoly. There is no rule of law anymore, just the rich and powerful giving eachother flavours while they rob and pillage our entire civilization.

>>21829425
Congrats, you've figured out one reason I'm anti-library.

>>21829479
We could live in a world where each library has a small printing press and a dedicated team of bookbinders, ensuring access to literally every public domain book in existence while also maintaining and digitizing historical archives, as well as providing community services such as book repair, classes, etc. POD machines only cost a couple grand, and can spit out dozens of perfect binds a day at a very affordable cost.

Instead we get a bunch of self important welfare queens and homosexuals subsidizing globohomocorp with your money while throwing old books in the trash and pushing LGBT shit on your kids. It's a sick joke

>>21820542
Does he have a master reference list?

>>21807094

>>21808103
Beat me to it

I wonder if the publishing industry, and writers, will have to revert to hand-written works. Because everything is wrote and transmitted on and by text file, it is easier to copy paste. If writers only publish hand-written drafts, it would be more difficult to read on handheld devices and the easiest way to access it would be by photocopied versions. And the individual style of handwriting would be as much as a signature of the author as the work itself.

>>21829662
In the future you'll just have your life retroactively copyrighted, your property seized, and your lifeless body thrown into a mass grave. Sorry Chud, should have read the fine print. Fair is fair after all.

>>21829720
>Parents copyright my life
>Talking with some friends, tell them a story from my childhood
>Send parents a dollar
Tough, but fair

>>21810130

It would be like loosing Babylon. It would practically ruin the internets history. Half of the old internet and it’s webpages and content only exist now on internet archive.

If we loose this we’re basically doing the equivalent of burning books. All the internet and digital media and it’s history will be gone, and some of Wikipedia. A lot of sources on Wikipedia are archived sources from the way back machine.

We’d basically be burning down so much human history that’s fucked. Hopefully even if they win it just affects books or it’s just harder for something to be uploaded/it needs manual approval.

>>21830069
huh?

>>21827313
Does anyone know if this only impacts books or the whole way back machine?

Will archive just pay a fine or is it fully fucked? Or will only books be extremely regulated and impossible to upload but other media be good.

>>21827313
>>21830075
Building on this anos question, does anyone know if it will imoact only recent books still with active copyright, or books with expirrd copyright too?
And could the costs of the lawsuit be too big for the archives to maintian itself?

>>21809779
Penguin would be the easiest to boycott since they mostly have unoriginal work. John Wiley and Sons would be the hardest to boycott since they are a HUGE name in the college textbook business. Besides, it won't do shit since majority people don't care.

>>21828030
web3 will burn the earth, chud.

Bullshit. Publishers aren't working with booksellers to deliver quality content across the board.
I'm in a medium sized town in Southern California. The local Barnes & Noble has absolutely TERRIBLE selection and is missing a bunch of dirty books like Lizard Music & Iron Dragon's Daughter that are aimed at underaged readers
>;-P
get these fuckin kids horny, motherfucker

>>21830657
Good imitation of Reddit

>>21807094
nothing worth paying for is written by someone writing for money

>>21830663
I am HORNY for underage ASS, motherfucker.
I do it legal. I get wife. Kidfucking is legal in California if you're married. I'm a kidfucker. I know it in my bones. I know it in my blood.
Kids here are okay.
Not like the women at all.
Kids are good, they're training the women to be good.
I take good kid slutwife.
I was born in the West, but I want to fuck tight butt, motherfucker, and these little horny devils can take my dick, see???
But I'm not statutory rapist or lewd act with a minor groper.
I have groped women, but not children.
Not that there's anything wrong with groping children, if you can get away with it, like Biden.

>>21809446
>wendig
Sorry chucklefuck. You just repeated slander. I'll let Chuck take it from here.

>I recognize the convenience of having a single person to place at the bottom of the shit-funnel. But despite that convenience, I am not the person behind any of this, in any way. And as I’ve noted before, you’re helping publishers by making me the face of this. They skate. I catch hell. I recognize that it’s a lot easier to blame me, and that schadenfreude is a helluva drug. But I assure you, my Bad Tweet — which I posted during a very bad time, which is to say, at the start of pandemic lockdowns, when everybody felt like yellowjacket wasps at the end of summer — was not in any way a contributing factor to the publishing lawsuit. We were trapped in our houses. Things were weird. Everybody was nervous. Writers and artists and freelancers had no idea what was going to happen next. We were bleaching our broccoli and washing our hands bloody. It was fucked up. Sorry.

>https://terribleminds.com/ramble/2023/03/25/no-i-still-dont-have-anything-to-do-with-the-publisher-lawsuit-against-the-internet-archive/

>>21830858
TOO LATE TOO APOLOGIZE, YOU MUST PAY FOR WHAT YOU DID TO BRANDON SANDERSON

>>21807043
Most of the people read here make me realize its a good thing is going down

reminder that the archive.org leadership brought them onto themselves when they acted irrationally during covid lockdowns and allowed "unlimited lending" (= free downloads)
the lawsuit sucks but archive.org should have been smarter

>>21807043
>>21807054
>>21807089
>>21807094
>>21807099
>>21807100
>>21807105
>>21807110
>>21807111
>>21807114
>>21807117
>>21807350
>>21807372
Someone just needs to post a 50gb magnet link on goat net, problem solved.
https://twitter.com/cocktailpeanut/status/1639378107952922624?s=20

>>21829762
>I don't make the laws buddy, I just enforce them
>Now step into the organ harvesting cage. Your student loans aren't gonna pay themselves
>*BAM* *BAM* *BAM*

>>21830858
Even while vindicating himself, he can’t help but to write like an insufferable faggot

>>21831395
>Bitcoin
retard

>>21829570
Yeah, it's on the UR website but unlisted. You have to find the page via Google.

>>21831837
cant find it lol but some other people got some reading lists

>>21807043
>Literally handing out knowledge of explosives and conspiracy bullshit to terrorists.

I'm glad it's getting shut down.

>>21830893
/thread

>>21807117
The entire archive of the old TCM website is on that Archive site and it has a lot of interesting film discussions

>>21831454
>vindicating
Attempting to*

>>21830893
>>21832372
t.

Is there any way of just downloading everything on archive?

>>21833847
you could not afford the amount of storage needed to do that

>>21833847
Just download and de-drm whatever books you can't find on Libgen and upload it there.

So which books exactly will be affected by this? Only the ones up for borrowing? All of them?

>>21834977

Hopefully the ones that belong to Penguin, Hachette, Wiley, and HarperCollins. I've already started a campaign to get from IA should other publishers also demand that their works be taken down from IA.

I'm also hoping it's just books. Internet Archive should have placed a time limit on how long they would contain the books.

>>21809913
>>21810478
RICK HAS OFFICIALLY TAKEN A SIDE

Life, as you know it, and the IA, is fucking over stalker thief children

>>21809913
>>21810478
>>21835252
Fatrick is my favorite 'lolcow'

>>21833847
if you have 100 petrabytes of storage

Bump

>>21830873
clearly you can't read esl scum

Can't they just go to the darkweb like lolcows did?

>>21837742
no you retard it is slow enough on the surface web would take days for downloads on the deepweb

>>21828388
Whered you get the games from? I assume i cant find em on internet archive?

>>21835252
>>21835392
God I remember when this retard called Elon Musk a child. Shit was hilarious.

>>21807094
Then you can pay for my books.

How is it that movie and videogame piracy lives on (except for Denuvo) but book websites always get shut down?

>>21838468
Very mysterious, yes? It's almost as if it's the free flow of centuries-old information at your fingertips that the system...

>>21807094
Melon

>>21832416
Do you know of a collection of the TCM videos itself?

>>21832212
better shut down libraries too you fucking retard

>>21839012
Not that retard, but I don't like how public libraries handle things. I don't feel that modern libraries shutting down will have the impact everything seems to think it would, especially when you consider the literacy rate, and each level of that literacy rate.\

Gonna upload the judges books onto the IA later this the week.