/lit/ - Literature

>>21789928
Kill yourself.

>300 replies guarantee

Kill everyone

>>21789936
Antinatalism and promortalism are different philosophies, although I'd be interest in promortalist works as well.

The Trouble with Being Born by Emil M. Cioran

>>21789944
>promortalism

Is literally just wanting a philosophical justification to kill yourself.

>>21789968
Or others.

>>21789928
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffuse_intrinsic_pontine_glioma
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_insomnia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huntington%27s_disease
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canavan_disease

>>21790005
Forgot Harlequin babies.

>>21789928
Dark personality traits and anti-natalist beliefs: The mediating roles of primal world beliefs
Madeleine K. Meehan, Virgil Zeigler-Hill & Todd K. Shackelford

>>21789928
>What are some good antinatalist works
Antinatalism is a philosophical position that argues against procreation and views the act of creating new human life as morally problematic. Here are some book recommendations on the topic of antinatalism:
"The Conspiracy Against the Human Race: A Contrivance of Horror" by Thomas Ligotti: This book offers a pessimistic view of human existence and argues against procreation. It explores themes of suffering, death, and the human condition.

"Every Cradle Is a Grave: Rethinking the Ethics of Birth and Suicide" by Sarah Perry: This book presents a critique of the pro-natalist bias in contemporary culture, and argues that choosing not to have children can be a moral choice. It explores the tension between the desire for life and the reality of suffering and death.

"Antinatalism: Rejectionist Philosophy from Buddhism to Benatar" by E.G. Martin: This book provides an overview of the history of antinatalist thought, from ancient Buddhist teachings to modern philosophers such as David Benatar. It explores the ethical and philosophical questions raised by the antinatalist position.

"The Human Predicament: A Candid Guide to Life's Biggest Questions" by David Benatar: This book offers a broad exploration of the human condition, and argues for the moral imperative of antinatalism. It covers a range of topics, including happiness, suffering, death, and the meaning of life.

I hope these recommendations help you in your exploration of antinatalist thought.

>>21789928
Could anyone suggest me something to read that will show me how much antinatalists are retarded, beside OP's posts?

>>21790065
Only humans may partecipate in this board, kys

>>21790012
Everybody forgets harlequin babies... that's when they getcha!

What's the antinatalist argument to eugenics? How do we know life has to always be terrible when we haven't even tapped into all of human potential

>>21790202
The ubermensch still shits, pisses, bleeds, has a nervous system, hungers, lusts, etc.

>>21790202
This is essentially David Pearce's argument against antinatalism.

https://www.abolitionist.com/anti-natalism.html

>Benatar's policy prescription is untenable. Radical anti-natalism as a recipe for human extinction will fail because any predisposition to share that bias will be weeded out of the population. Radical anti-natalist ethics is self-defeating: there will always be selection pressure against its practitioners. Complications aside, any predisposition not to have children or to adopt is genetically maladaptive. On a personal level, the decision not to bring more suffering into the world and forgo having children is morally admirable. But voluntary childlessness or adoption is not a global solution to the problem of suffering.

>Yet how should rational moral agents behave if - hypothetically - some variant of Benatar's diagnosis as distinct from policy prescription was correct?

>In an era of biotechnology and unnatural selection, an alternative to anti-natalism is the world-wide adoption of genetically preprogrammed well-being. For there needn't be selection pressure against gradients of lifelong adaptive bliss - i.e. a radical recalibration of the hedonic treadmill. The only way to eradicate the biological substrates of unpleasantness - and thereby prevent the harm of Darwinian existence - is not vainly to champion life's eradication, but instead to ensure that sentient life is inherently blissful. More specifically, the impending reproductive revolution of designer babies is likely to witness intense selection pressure against the harmfulness-promoting adaptations that increased the inclusive fitness of our genes in the ancestral environment of adaptation. If we use biotechnology wisely, then gradients of genetically preprogrammed well-being can make all sentient life subjectively rewarding - indeed wonderful beyond the human imagination. So in common with "positive" utilitarians, the "negative" utilitarian would do better to argue for genetically preprogrammed superhappiness.

>>21790215
not necessarily

david pearce fixes this, all life turned into gradients of bliss

>>21789928
The Bible
>His disciples said, "When will you be shown forth to us and when shall we behold you?" Jesus said "When you strip naked without being ashamed, and take your garments and put them under your feet like little children and tread upon them, then [you] will see the child of the living"
>(Gospel of Thomas (37), Layton translation).
>Here Jesus endorses sexual asceticism as the means of breaking the lethal cycle of birth and of overcoming the alleged sinful differences between male and female, enabling all persons to return to what was understood to be their primordial and androgynous state"
>(Cameron 1982)

>>21789928
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqeN2RRR3xQ
https://vitrifyher.wordpress.com/2019/12/19/antinatalism-in-purgatory/

>I’m an antinatalist. I think it’s unforgivable to bring new people into this world given that there is suffering. The thing is that lately I’ve been thinking and feeling that people aren’t real. This would partially solve the problem of evil. There is just my suffering and everyone else is a simulation designed to spite me. This should cause me to not feel so antinatalist since the breeders are disgusting alien mockeries of a true human being, namely myself. Yet somehow I still feel very antinatalist. When I see children with their parents I am disgusted at the entire concept. They are probably just facets of the simulation and not souls brimming with the inner light of awareness like myself. And yet they still move me enough to cause disgust. I suppose that was the intention of the designer(s), to create something that appeared so real that it was actually disturbing. Dr. Miller says I have some sort of syndrome after finding out about my solipsism. I think he’s an imbecile who deserves to be burned on a stake. But out of my bodhisattva-like compassion I would instead grant him a consciousness and send him to heaven forever.

>Like I’ve said before, it’s plausible to me that this is a punishment. My failure at making friends, then my failure at soccer, then my failure in the stock market, then my failure at university, then my crippling depression. The reason I think it’s a punishment may just be projecting a sense of justice to something that is intrinsically devoid of any anthropomorphic qualities. But it may also be that there really is intelligent design (which I now strongly feel is the case) and the reason this isn’t heaven is because the force behind existence isn’t like me. It’s not the sort of thing that would give heaven to its enemies.

>>21790241
>>21790202
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lx3rdVQZ3mo

>>21790202
https://vitrifyher.wordpress.com/2018/10/12/why-negative-valence-cant-outnumber-positive-valence/

>>21790242
jfc, What the hell happened?
There's five Mario threads on every board. I see Yud and rationalist garbage in every catalog. Is this some kind of filter? Did all it take for everyone to lose their shit and buy Chopra-tier woo was to dress it up in 21st century technobabble?

oh wait, that probably is what happened

>>21790261
>Gospel of Thomas
>The Bible
anon...

>>21790279
Mario as in the plumber?

>>21790300
yes

>>21790104
The Bible
>Jesus turned and said to them, “Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep for yourselves and for your children.
>For the time will come when you will say, ‘Blessed are the childless women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!’
>Then “‘They will say to the mountains, “Fall on us!” and to the hills, “Cover us!”’
>For if people do these things when the tree is green, what will happen when it is dry?”
>Luke 28:31

>>21790310
Why on earth would someone follow a dicklet like that?

>>21790300
Mario as in Mario Alejandro Montano. He was this schizo who killed himself that /sci/ was obsessed with at one point.

https://www.youtube.com/@killssingasuka7819/featured

>>21790352
Would you be so kind as to give a quick rundown on what his deal is?

>>21790524
>be conceived via IVF with a high IQ sperm donor and Mexican mom
>have an IQ several standard deviations above parents and other relatives
>become interested in science and philosophy, eventually get interested in LessWrong and rationalism
>do badly in uni and fail at making money in the stock market
>start making YouTube videos
>develop psychosis in early 2019 and be sent to a mental institution
>develop severe depression
>become convinced that be lives in a simulation and everyone else besides him is fake
>eventually drowns himself in March 2020

>>21789928
https://qualiacomputing.com/2018/07/23/open-individualism-and-antinatalism-if-god-could-be-killed-itd-be-dead-already/

>>21789928
I will not support any ideology which is anti-life.

>>21791201
based emilsson poster

>>21791208
>NOOOO LIFE IS LE SACRED
You're going to die anyway, bitch.

HIDE ANTINATALIST THREADS
REPORT ANTINATALIST THREADS
SAGE ANTINATALIST THRADS
FART IN AN ANTINATALIST'S MOUTH

>>21791258
So you may as well go hard and do what you want and have fun

>>21789936
here we see a glimpse of the unrelenting repressed violence of the natalist

>>21791192
>>be conceived via IVF with a high IQ sperm donor and Mexican mom
humanity could have literal einsteins as average folk if we just prevented the retards from breeding and reach a semi utopia before the end of the century.
but no! eugenics is le evil!!!

>>21789928
none.
just wait a few decades for some new based antinatalist writers.

>>21790524
He supposedly posted here, but descended into insanity.

>>21791745
The guy killed himself though.

>>21791756
he had it coming. i have no sympathy for people that waste their brains.
looked like a fag too

>>21791767
a fluke.
if 1/10 eugincs babies commit die I could still sleep at night

>>21789928
>꧁𒆜𒆜꧂
honey new namefag just dropped

>>21790202

It is not the content of life that is objectionable, it is the form of life.

Once again we're dangerously close to having an antinatalism thread without once invoking antifrustrationism, which is the heart of the matter.

It throws out most prescriptive "objections" (as if kys was a rational objection) and puts the argument in the mouths of toasters. Toasters can't kill themselves. Not yet anyway.

It boils down to this; Why create a preference to be satisfied where before there was none? Answer that in good faith and you'll shut the fuck out of the up of the antinatlists for good.

>>21789928
>they go for a walk in the park
>interviewer forwards the idea that life can be improved
>Benatar raises his voice and starts sperging that life never improves (objectively false by the way)
>Benatar starts crying and basically says "life is unacceptable"
>interviewer is taken aback by his outburst and at a loss for words (Benatar is inconsolable)
Benatar is pretty unstable. On top of that he admits that his ideas are damaging while using the excuse that his work is academic and only meant for those that seek it out (note that these people are likely to have personality disorders and mental illness). Benatar objectively creates suffering and given that he's under the delusion that his work is toward the opposite: he's delusional and irrational.

>>21792631
This is a fair point desu, from a utilitarian pov pessimist rhetoric might be a net negative or even an infohazard even if it were hypothetically "true". Antinatalism especially, since the amount of normies for who such an argument might actually tip the scale towards nonprocreation must be very tiny to nonexistent, whereas writing book length arguments about the ways in which life sucks will just enhance the negative lens for those susceptible to it.

We were on to something when civilisations had respectable renunciate paths for those who don't fit in the normal mode of living, allowing a niche in society for the abnormal that is not at odds with the whole and even complementary to it.

>>21789928
Cioran and bernhard