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George Orwell was only nominally a democratic socialist. He held reactionary views in private, especially after his time in Spain with the POUM. He even favourably reviewed Road to Serfdom and I think if he lived longer he’d have completely abandoned the pretense of having anything to do with Socialism like many young Marxists did in the 20th century as they aged.

>> No.21771653

>>21771648
Yeah, he was a POS. Hakim made a great video on it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Gz0I_X_nfo

>> No.21771661

>>21771653
>video

>> No.21771708

>>21771648
stoked to see where humanity is going
globalists are having a ball

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>>21771653
>open video
>communist shitskin starts talking
>immediately close video

I’m good bruh, I’m not watching a single second of that ZOGslop

>> No.21771807

>>21771653
Good post. Gotta love Hakim. He may not be as popular as Vaush or Hasan, but the guy knows his theory. He should be in the radar of anyone into breadtube. Thought Slime and Adam Something are other creators I recommend.

>> No.21771863

>>21771807
Yo thanks for the recs. Love me some breadtube. I've been stanning Adam Something for a while, but hadn't checked Thought Slime. I'll give him a watch for sure.

>> No.21771876

>>21771807
>>21771863
does /lit/ really?

>> No.21771899

>>21771653
>>21771807
>>21771863
>breadtube on /lit/
wow this place really is going down hill.

>> No.21771917

>>21771863
>>21771807
These are for sure troll posts lmfaoooo

>> No.21771958
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>>21771648
I think its an interesting case study that does exemplify an aspect of the social sphere around leftism. Its both enamored by the idea of the working class, but its often anathema to much of the Modus Operendi that makes up and comes out of the working class. An interesting self destructive cycle where an intellectual appeal distances one from the nuance of reality. It kind of gs to mind the moaist intent to send young college men to the feilds in order to address this sort of seemingly reoccurring disconnect.

Dont feel 100% lucid right now, but I sense a sort of throughline here. I believe most people can kinda apreciate it if they went to collage and saw the weirdly and almost perverse, disconnect between school theorists/students, and actual people who do labor as their mainstay. like, on a fundamental level of conceptualization.

>> No.21772046

>>21771653
>>21771807
>>21771863
im trans btw, not sure if that matters :-)

>> No.21772203

>>21771653
Thanks for the video, anon. It was bretty gud.

>> No.21772212

>>21771653
tl;dr
why was he a bad person?

>> No.21772222

>>21772212
watch the video and find out ;)
you won't regret it

>> No.21772270

>>21771648
>"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it."
Just because someone understands the danger of an excess of their political views doesn't mean they are the opposite of their stated view. I swear, /lit/ is the most braindead board if people can't understand this.

>> No.21772377

>>21772212
because he wasn't a deranged stalin dick rider which makes him a reactionary

>> No.21772379

>>21772270
>Just because someone understands the danger of an excess of their political views doesn't mean they are the opposite of their stated view.
No it usually doesn't but apparently for Orwell it did.

>> No.21772383

>>21772270
Lion and Unicorn was an apologia for Tory Parliamentary Cretinism.

>> No.21772386

>>21771807
Go back

>> No.21772393

>the left turning on Orwell now
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA THE DAY HAS COME, WHEN SHALL THE CENSORSHIP BEGIN?

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>>21771653
>>21771807
>>21771863
Why do you worship an ideology of decay? You are no better than the fascists you despise.

>> No.21772414

>>21771653
>Grab Atlas VPN for just $1.83/mo + 3 months extra before the BIG DEAL deal expires: https://get.atlasvpn.com/Hakim
Support me on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/ComradeHakim
Twitter: @YaBoiHakim

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>>21771653
He did nothing wrong.

>> No.21772440

Am I the only one who's spooked by his real name (Eric Blair)? Sounds like the name of a ghost. A shallow evil being.

>> No.21772449

>chuds trying to mindfuck themselves into thinking Orwell wasn't a socialist which would make it alright for them to like 1984

>> No.21772450
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>>21771653
What's up with leftists and these smear videos? Somehow it's way more obnoxious than anything right wingers do, literally trying to throw a public figure to the dogs so you can gain clout for yourself

>> No.21773146

>>21771807
>Adam Something
Love that guy. This is one of the greatest videos ever and you cannot tell me otherwise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwI25UhTtGo

>> No.21773155

>>21773146
>German uni is ivy league
??

>> No.21773156

>>21772450
They're not smart enough to engage with him so they just call him evil.

>> No.21773161

>>21771648
this. the intro that he originally intended to be published for Animal Farm was shitting on British leftists and sympathizing with fascists, he was hunted by a communist faction in the Spanish Civil War and he woke up to a lot of leftist insanity

>> No.21773169

>>21771958
It's pretty apparent if you work in agriculture.

>> No.21773170

>>21773156
>smart
>the guy who said he admired hitler
are you stupid?

>> No.21773175

>>21773170
You don't have any admiration for the homeless man that became his nation's leader?

>> No.21773178

>>21773146
Trannies are mentally ill
Immigration is ruining the west.
Abortion is murder

>> No.21773183

>>21773178
and chuds still can't into academia because they are too stupid for it

>> No.21773189

>>21773183
Who gives a shit about chuds or academia. Glad you agree with my post, though.

>> No.21773195

>>21773189
>Who gives a shit about chuds or academia
chuds do
you lose your shit whenever that video gets posted and I'm all for it
>Glad you agree with my post, though
I don't

>> No.21773196

>>21771653
>>21771807
>>21771863
Go to /adv/, ask how to properly tie a rope, and fucking hang yourselves.

>> No.21773204

>>21773195
> you lose your shit whenever that video gets posted and I'm all for it
First time I’m watching that shit.
> I don't
You do. I listed things and them you added “and…” as if the thing you said belongs to the list.

>> No.21773219

>>21771653
>>21771807
>>21771863
Great bait, Reddit enough to cause seethe but plausibly sincere enough to catch (You)'s. Solid 8/10.

>> No.21773243

oh my god WHO GIVES A SHIT?
Literally just READ his work, all I ever see on this fucking retarded website is just dumb shitheads like you saying dumbshit like "Oh..! Oh... Mommy I cant read-y wead-y this author-wawther, he- - he DISAGREED WITH ME!!!! NOOOO" Like holy shit GROW UP. Stop acting like your in fucking fifth grade you fucking maniac.

>> No.21773253

>>21771653
>>21771807
>>21771863
MODERATORS

>> No.21773533

>>21771807
Bad Empanada is another good lefty creator.

>> No.21773549
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21773549

>trannies when they find out actual real communists in the past werent heckin 2SLGBTQIAA+ allies

>> No.21773585

>>21772212
Turns out he was an anglo

>> No.21773619

>>21771653
I don't see how you can read Marx Engels and Lenin and wind up like this guy. I'm doubtful he seriously analyzed it. I dislike Orwell because of his humanism and pro democracy ideas. This guy dislikes him because of moral reasons and emotional arguments. What part of MATERIALISM did this guy miss? Total idealistic nonsense.

>> No.21773624

>>21771653
Wtf is this mix of tankie-ism and liberalism? A relic of the old united front communists?

>> No.21773639

>>21773624
>mix of tankie-ism and liberalism
Modern “progressives” for ya

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>>21771653
Wow. This cunt is just completely taking shit from "Shooting an Elephant" out of context.
I'm only 45 seconds into this and I already KNOW I don't need to watch the rest. Whoever made this video is obviously not gonna say ANYTHING about "Homage to Catelonia," or how Orwell is a war hero who literally fought actual fascists, and got shot in the neck and lived to tell about it.
I'm not sure what these rape accusations are based on, but based on the annoying hollier-than-though dishonesty in the first few seconds, I don't beleive him. Flat out don't believe them. "A bluh bluh belieeeeeve women" fuck you. I don't believe them. You don't get to lie about this many things and demand people take the rest of your bullshit seriously. Kindly refer to the old "cried wolf" aesop and fuck off.
But I suppose this is to be expected of bredtube. Fucker's probably just mad becaues Orwell criticized Communism. He's what Antifa only WISHES they were; they can die mad.

>> No.21773960

>open thread about one of the greatest essayists in history
>read some intellectual amoeba level smears
>get a little sad
>think about how he would react to it
>smile
>think of something nice to have for lunch

>> No.21774144

>>21771648
Now this is the shill thread.

>> No.21774190

>>21773960
Orwell was always overrated.

>> No.21774200

>>21771653
>>21771807
>>21771863
Why is breadtube like 45% tranny and 90% faggots? Is there even a single straight masculine male with a wife and kids in the whole of breadtube? On Tradtube we have Taylor Marshall with 12 kids for example…

>> No.21774494

>>21771863
the Thought Slime gave it way

>> No.21774505

Arthur de Gobineau, writer of the Inequality of the Human Races, wasn't a racist.

>> No.21774538
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21774538

>>21774200
>a movement to have the fruits of your labours owned by you the worker
>now represented by people who can’t do labour and fight for the right not to work
Then again Marx was a dilettante himself.

>> No.21775013

>>21774538
Oh no no you don't understand I'm an intellectual, I think up ideas that benefit the common man I'm not meant to actually physically dig ditches

>> No.21776150

>>21774538
>what is the intellectual proletariat?

>> No.21777029

>>21771648
>Left-wing Communism: An Infantile Disorder
Leninism is a completely amoral, pragmatic, and self-interested program rationalizing and systematizing "ends justify the means". There is no contradiction: there are only contradictions. The only obstruction to the long march of socialism is doctrinaire humanitarian idealists, the 'irredeemably bourgeois' bleeding heart useful idiots. There's no skipping intermediate steps of State Capitalism et. al. to the 'workers paradise', there is no 'egalitarianism' anywhere in Marx. A sane, rational Orwell is worth all the Frankfurters combined, provided he's agitating for political action.

>The lie leaves a sediment of doubt in moderately credulous audiences even when exposed. As for the gullible man on the street, at first he merely repeats and cites opinions and stories fed to him, often without his knowledge, by the disinformer. Then, gradually, the distorted picture which is presented to him soaks into his mind. He begins to lose confidence in the non-Communist world and soon becomes an obedient, though unwitting, puppet in Communist hands.
https://jrnyquist.blog/2023/03/11/the-triumph-of-misdirection/

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>>21772450
It's ideological struggle, like a little sorta virtual "line struggle." This also might sound like an alien concept to most people here since a lot of what constitutes political arguments on YouTube are about gathering personal clout by picking a random target to attack or engaging in some personality grudge match, but Orwell is dead, his feelings won't be hurt by it, what's important for him is that Orwell is still used as anti-communist propaganda, which is why the right pushes him, and there are various reasons for that. Therefore, Orwell delenda est.

>> No.21778151

>>21777367
Ideology is a bourgeois terrain. Prove me wrong in the factory toilets. I'll bring WD-40 for lube.

>> No.21778278

>>21771653
Why are leftists so fond of character assassinations of historical figures?

>> No.21778289

>>21777367
>anti-communist propaganda
this is like saying "anti-pedophile propaganda" or "anti-carjacking propaganda"

>> No.21778297

>>21777367
You don’t find it revealing at all that you consider an anti-authoritarian work to be “anti-communist propaganda”?

>> No.21778423

>>21778151
No, ideology is part of every society, it is not bound solely to bourgeoisie. The worker's movement also needs its ideology and thus must struggle also on the ideological terrain.

>> No.21778428

>>21778297
It's not just anti-authoritarian but specifically and obviously anti-USSR.

>> No.21778444

>>21771863
>>21771807
>>21771653

I can't tell if your serious or I'm being trolled. Watching breadtubers regurgitate century old disproven commie propaganda is peak midwit behavior.

>> No.21778999

>>21772450
Ideological puritanism. Leftists claim they want to create a world without hierarchy, in actuality they want to create a short of moral theocracy were the most important thing is how fervently you support the leading ideology. Smear videos like this act to reinforce that hierarchy, elevate oneself within it.

>> No.21780168

>>21778289
what is the diffrence between a carjacker and a communist? both are thieves who use violence. The sad part is that now we must disprove communism and crime

>> No.21780197

>Right wing mindfuckery that allows them to like Orwell.