/lit/ - Literature

>>21761147
It was me I did it and I regret nothing

>>21761148
Oh come on, man, don't ruin all the work for meddling kids, they got to feed t02ynthe dog somehow.

>>21761147
every year someone make this thread. Damn I've been here too many years

>>21761162
This time it’s true desu

>>21761147
then entire website did

>>21761147
It's because we're filled with forever-sophomores who don't read. No one here has real ambitions as a writer, either, since they all go the easy route with self-pubbing. Crit threads used to have people who came from nothing but wanted to be published by the Big Four.

>>21761147
It’s because half the posts are made by teenage fascists cultural warriors

sic transit gloria mundi

>>21761147
It's actually better than last year. Last year was unbelievably bad. I really should have stopped browsing.

>>21761228
I concur, it feels like it's improving somewhat. I've been reporting several threads a day and I think other anons have too. I used to hang out here in 2017-2019 but then I stopped reading for a few years. I'm reading again and mostly lurking here now.

>>21761147
>Lots of threads on classic literature
>Literally all I want
I don't know what the fuck your problem is, but this is still great. It's nowhere close to reddit-tier.
Spend more time reading and less time on here anyways.

>>21761181
/lit/ turning its back on academia and publishing (under the silly pretext of rejecting le establishment, but really just sour grapes) has been a disaster for the board.

He had tried to stop himself, but the urge, once he was aware of it, quickly became impossible to resist; as the john re-buttoned the last button of his shirt, he looked back at the little girl on the bed, who was lighting a post-coital cigarette. She could not have been older than twelve. Blonde, thin, white as angelcake. Small breasts which had recently surfaced. Her skirt barely touched the tops of her upper thighs, and what nakedness quivered beneath it hid behind the cross of her legs. She took a drag and put the lighter back inside the bedstand drawer, reaching over the used rubber that stretched over the edge of her bed, unremarkable, as if it were a sock she had laid out to wear. Two eyes met his, berry blue and big as a gazelle's. Strange how little make up she wore. Some lipstick and foundation, as if she were a regular little girl at a school desk. There was nothing whorish above neck at all. There was no boredom there either, or despair, or even a semblence of sexual delight. Her expression was as neutral as neutral can be, the kind of face she must have made when she finished hanging up the laundry. Her free hand laid flat on the bed as she brought the cup of its twin to her lips, pulled it away, and blew a rag of smoke. All the while she watched the man who stood gawking and hairy legged in his underwear.
She said, "is anything the matter, mister?"
The voice that could sing ava maria and make her mother very proud. A finishing school voice. Her words churned cigarette smoke in the air.

>>21761471
>>>r/menwritingwomen

>>21761479
Kinda outing yourself here, OP

maybe you just got older

Board is definitely getting better than it has been the past few years. Amount of pol shit is diminishing. Just remember to report every single guenon thread and Never Ever reply to tripfags

>>21761449
This. I remember the dick sizing university threads in the past. I’ve always felt English majors were the life blood of /lit/. They could cultivate discussion. Now it’s the blind leading the blind. Major resentment on this board

>>21761147
>I’ve been here for six months and the decline in quality has been appalling
>creates Infinite Jest thread

>>21761147
I've been coming here for almost 10 years and people have always said this

>>21761645
Why do you come back? It's not even that fun anymore because the /lit/ humour threads are stale as fuck now and no one does the meme trilogy anymore, nor the old jokes and gags about DFW faking his death to be Thomas Pynchon's ghostwriter.

>>21761627
Guenon threads are probably the last good ones on the board, apart from the anti-Guenon clusterposters who fill them with inane gibberish.

I have been reporting decently as well and am more conscious of not replying to low effort posts. Ofc there are still the occasional skanks edgelord but we did have containment threads back in the day. One thing I miss the most are the Conan posts. Oh boy. I’m almost 20 years on this damn shit so I know the feels. Remember when b had people posting stories mostly? Good times. No reason to live in the past but it is ok to remember. But like others have said, we must keep our scholarly posting habits just like the brave scholars before us!

>>21761627
What's wrong with Guenon? I came back a year ago and he was all over the place, and he was never mentioned here 5 years ago. Haven't read him so idk what his deal is, but he seems to have supplanted the Kierkegaard and Schopy role.

>>21761650
I come here when I'm bored, like today for instance I'm sick and can't be bothered doing anything else. Sometimes there is still worthwhile discussion, though I do agree that it has become even rarer than it was in the past. None of that stuff you mentioned was ever funny or worthwhile.

>>21761658
The life cycle of this place is that intelligent, well-meaning, well-read posters come here regularly. When they see 20 terrible threads, they leave and don't come back for a while.
As terrible threads decrease and shit posters are banned, and as interesting high-quality threads increase in number, more high quality posters are attracted to the board, it at least not forced to leave instantly. If we keep this up, things will continue to improve again.

>>21761637
is an English major worth it as a hobby? i.e. not as something you're staking your livelihood on.

>>21761627
It had to do with the election in 2020 and covid. Western society is at an all-time high for loneliness and antisocial behavior. People are online more than ever, and they close TikTok after being inside for 3 days straight, and come here and make abhorrent posts.

>>21761672
Just read books anon, and perhaps write for your own entertainment if you are so inclined. Are you so desperate for the approval of a surrogate parent figure?

>>21761659
Guenonposting is just tradfag hipsterism. They pick a guy that mainstream academia has little to no interest in and make him "their guy" to own the libs.

I don't mind Guenon threads though, at least they're engaging with each other.

>>21761637
I bet there are fewer English majors in 2023 than there ever have been, at least proportional to the student body. The number of people interested in reading (but who actually don't) relative to those with rela training is probably at an all-time high as well.

>>21761175
Not really. I don't think /mu/ or /pol/ has substantially declined in 5 years, relative to what they were (always bad).

>>21761147
I am sad :'(

/lit/ died with him.

>>21761627
filters are pretty damn useful too.
>>21761680
i was thinking more whether it was worth taking as an expensive book club. following the same material with people who are (hopefully) at a similar level, with someone to guide and challenge you along the way, has always seemed like a good thing, regardless of what that thing is. just seems like a proper human thing, is all.

>>21761627
The old school tripfags were funnier, more well-read and far more humble than most anons today. I think any healthy board can deal with a tiny pool of trips, as long as they're not just trolls.

>>21761686
>I bet there are fewer English majors in 2023 than there ever have been
Just the other week there was a long New Yorker article about this. I don't know about fewer than ever, but the numbers are dwindling fast.

>>21761697
>expensive book club
People pay to join book clubs?

>>21761637
If you don't see the massive decline in the humanities that's happened in the last 5 years you can't be helped. It's tragically ironic you blame resentment when Harold Blooms "Schools of Resentment" are the ones at fault here.

>>21761703
they sure waste a lot of time finding good ones.

>>21761704
You need to go back.

>>21761181
I'm not sure why sel-publishing affects writing ambitions. Are you saying they just shit out whatever they were doing, rather than honing their work to entice a publisher?

>>21761698
You have to choose between studying English and getting a credential to participate in the economy as a cog. Why study English when you could become an HR bitch?

>>21761719
Publishing (and writing, apart from diaries and napkin poems) is a collaborative effort.

>>21761719
>rather than honing their work to entice a publisher?
for a guy who loved tradpub you sure don't understand anything about it

>>21761750
You might think I'm someone else. I don't know anything about the process and I don't personally write at all.

>stop liking what I don't like
Glad to see /a/ from 2004 hasn't died

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/03/06/the-end-of-the-english-major

Holy shit I hate technology so much. I hate everything about the modern world. I am this close to leaving engineering and becoming a monk.

>>21761807
>>21761698
Forgot to quote you, I found your article.

It's amazing how many parallels can be drawns between society and cultural changes and medicine and biology. What were experiencing is a lot like senescence or autophagy, where after each stressor we see a contraction and a weakening of an organism.

>>21761807
You poor pleb. I do honestly feel sory for you. What you need, badly, is something to broaden your views. To get out of the Cave.

>>21761807
>posted using space age technology
You won’t do anything but whine and revel in your hypocrisy. Apologies, unapologetic

>>21761675
Just wait until the 2024 election ramps up.

>>21761147
I was thinking about making a thread about this but it's absurd how almost every thread is some culture war shit or some retard asking if he should or shouldn't read a book or asking for recommendations.
I come here because I'm a lazy piece of shit for anything BUT literature, but it looks like people are too lazy even for the things they love. All the fucking time people asking for recommendations, opinions and positions to take, no one never even tries to discuss what they enjoy or dislike in earnest because everything is seen through the retarded prism of 4chan right wing politics, it's so tiresome

>>21762179
How about instead of bitching you recommend a book you enjoy and want I discuss? I’ll probably read it if I haven’t already

>>21762179
I'm here. Doin the same. Avoidin Guenonians. Spreading philosophical love. But ya. Gets discouraging. Maybe we are just gettin older?

>>21761659
Imagine thinking fucking Guenon has what it takes to replace Kierkegaard (or that Kierkegaard is in the same level as Schopenhauer for that matter, Schopenhauer would have been a bald autistic footnote without Nietzsche and not even Nietzsche could stand the ire of the first poster)

>>21762193
Because none of those threads are about reading, they're about grasping enough on the book from other people's posts that you can pretend to have read them.
>recommend a book
No

>>21762198
So you’ve resigned yourself to be part of the problem. Great.

>>21762179
>or some retard asking if he should or shouldn't read a book or asking for recommendations.
These are /r/equest threads, they break rule 16.
Report them when you see them

>>21762203
My problem is exactly with lazye pieces of shit thinking I have to do the research for them after doing the same for myself. I'm doing my part not to further it by BEGGING you to stop caring about the /lit/ canon, read whatever you want then come here to talk about it.
>>21762194
I usually think that, "ah I'm getting older and just can't stand the constant shitflinging any longer" but every now and then a thread will pop up where good and informative discussion is found. I remember a while ago there was some thread about PKD where I had a day long exchange of posts with a schizochristian which kind of renewed my interest in a lot of things, so I know there's good posts out there, waiting to be born. But separating between wheat and chaff is becoming harder and harder.
>>21762208
Thanks m8

>>21762222
>I ask you to post a book you want to talk about, tell you I’ll read it if you recommend it
>you proceed to bitch about people not wanting to read and discuss books
Umm, ok. I guess I’m out. Have a good one anon

>>21762285
No, you asked me for a recommendation. Which brings me to my next point: there is no point in recommending anything to anyone here, I could recommend you idk The Third Policeman which could realistically be read in a single afternoon and I just know you still wouldn't read it.
Even threads about /lit/ classics like GR or Ulysses quickly devolve into people calling each other troons or calling Pynchon a communist, I know honest to god trans people who don't talk about it as much as the retards here.

>>21762308
Report people who say that stuff, they'll at least be deterred and less likely to engage when it's less common.

>>21762308
You seem to be projecting and assuming a lot anon. I came to the discussion in good faith and I depart in good spirits, despite your crankiness. I’ve added the Third Policeman to my reading list despite your shitty attitude and look forward to reading it

>>21762208
Requests have been around and tolerated for years, but it's reaching where like 30% of the catalog is some vague request for a topic that the poster is only slightly interested in, and that has to be stopped. I generally report requests that are in bad taste "I'm sad, any books for this" and I'll let slide something like "What author is most similar to Joyce" or something like that

>>21762337
>I’ve added the Third Policeman to my reading list despite your shitty attitude and look forward to reading it
this is exactly what I mean you coy retard. Sure, once you finish reading every book in the Gor saga and every post about the unabomber on /lit/ you'll read this extremely short and well known book, meanwhile you'll just pretend everything is ok and that I'm "projecting" (what the fuck am I even projecting you fucking retard, are you denying that this entire board - no, this entire site - isn't just 16 year old fascists calling everyone they dislike trans communist groomers?)

>>21761440
Its literally they only thing they can post to feel smart. because they are incapable of contributing to good threads. Its increadibly sad how posser like they are. They dont have to think to post in these threads and get kudos.

One of the biggest changes I've noticed is the threads are clearly written from the point of view of someone who is trying to decide whether they should read a book they're considering, and not someone who already finished it. "Thoughts on book x?" vs "wow, what a piece of shit this was"

>>21762384
They won't read the book, they make those threads because A) they want to find reasons not to read this and go back to posting or B) they want to get enough of a grasp to look like they read when talking to people elsewhere

>>21761147
/lit/ is /pol/+/r9k/ lite. Jannies don’t janny. Anons more concerned about how a book describes them as a person or their image. Lots of the old guard left. That about sums it up

>>21762403
I repeat myself infinitely, but for a janitor to see a thread, you have to report it. They clear their reports queue (rather heavy-handedly) and then go back to micriwaving hot pockets.
If we can decrease the quantity of shitty threads, higher quality posters won't be as disgusted.

>>21762412
It takes half a day or more for non explicit content to be deleted

>>21762384
this has taken over many boards
here, /g/, /x/, anything where time investment by zoomers seems unworth without seeking others' opinions beforehand
it's because they have low attention spans

>>21762800
I know, when I was a janny 5 years ago there weren't enough /lit/ jannies even then.

>>21762853
Yeah, low inhibitions for asking dumb questions, short attention spans, with some desire to read, or at least liking the idea of reading books, without following through on it

>>21762934
It’s a thankless job

>>21761147
Literally ALL boards are going steadily downhill, greatest offense (from boards I frequent) is /x/, once filled with legitimate cryptid hunters and crazy people doing demon magick, is now a place for women to ask "What are some /x/ youtubers?". This board was kinda nice until 2020, imo each board has it's own death date, like /pol/ in 2016, /v/ when gamergate happened, etc. Guess I cannot rely on you fags anymore and need to build my own based forum.

>>21761147
It definitely feels like there's been an increase in genre fiction discussion outside the sff general lately. I'm not saying it's a bad thing or a good thing, just something I nooticed.

>>21761147
Brain damaged from covid
And internet
And porn
And anime

>>21763316
Too many anons didn’t get vaccinated baka

>>21761147
Well, I stopped posting a few years ago, all the cool /lit/erati did... Then what with the tripfags, well...

>>21761715
He's right though you stupid fuck

When you look at threads like this >>21763773 and this >>21763747 you see how much faster bad threads get attention than good ones. Do not post in a bad thread, do not give it attention. Don't let anyone know you're reporting it. Just do so, and walk away.

>>21763830
Both of those are shit anon

>>21763866
That's why I reported them. They were 2 if the newest off topic threads then.

>>21762364
>are you denying that this entire board - no, this entire site - isn't just 16 year old fascists calling everyone they dislike trans communist groomers?
Yes, And so are you...
>I remember a while ago there was some thread about PKD where I had a day long exchange of posts with a schizochristian which kind of renewed my interest in a lot of things, so I know there's good posts out there, waiting to be born.

>>21763236
>I cannot rely on you fags anymore and need to build my own based forum.
If you open it to the public we will ruin it too. Best do some recruiting. Did secret societies have it right the whole time?

"Be the change you want to see on /lit/." -Mahatma Gandhi (paraphrased slightly)

/lit/ is dead. Time to let it go. Check up on it once in a while if you must. It can’t be a useable board until the teenage nazis and incels are gone. I don’t see that happening as that seems to be the main draw. I’d bet majority of newfags in the last few years are /pol/

>>21764008
It's not the poltards or rightoids, its the mainstreamization of the website in general. Just look at the even more mainstream boards like /v/ or /tv/ to see what i am talking about

the quality of discussion on /v/ is lower than on mainstream plebbit gaming sites, the majority of anons are third worder ESLs barely capable of speaking english, unironic children who enjoy playing call of duty and coomer retards spamming porn games

t. il/lit/erate /int/ oldfag passing by

>>21761175
This, and this has been going for many years. 4chan in 2012 was already a borderline parody of itself compared to 2006. In 2023? The quality of the posters here has dropped below the internet average

>>21764008
>samefagging faggot from the recent concern troll thread
How many of these posts do you make a week? 50?

>>21764219
The election tourist cries out in pain as he strikes you.

>>21761147
I started using in 2019. It has gotten significantly worse but compared to other boards there are still some quality threads once in a while. Most of this website declined severely after the pandemic and some boards are barely usable like /tv/

>>21764275
Kill yourself, you can't even concern troll effectively to an already sympathetic audience. You are a failure.

>>21764292
You probably came here when you were 19 and now you're 23 and out of college. At least that's how it was for me, which skews my perspective.

>>21764211
This
>>21764008
Are you trying to make it worse? It's still the best place on the internet to discuss this stuff and it keeps me interested and entertained. It's only bad compared to how great it was 5 years ago.

>>21764292
>barely usable like /tv/
One of the funniest, highest quality boards. You really need to stay on reddit.

>>21764211
/tv/ is nearly all /pol/bait now. If not in the OP, then in the first few replies. So no, it is /pol/. That gaping asshole of a board has pooped all over this website.

>>21764326
It's hilarious unless you want to actually talk about movies. The entire website is plagued with excessive off-topic shitposting and politics in general and this board is no exception

>>21764326
>>21764329
The difference is that people in /tv/ all watch TV, and in some cases many of them have seen the same shows, and they are able to find new insights and jokes and memes.
A better comparison would be if they all just kept asking if a show was worth watching, and then never got around to turning it on.

>>21761704
What the fuck are you talking? There are more people than ever studying women or african studies. The humanities are doing fine.

>>21764325
>how great it was 5 years ago

>>21762412
I report leftist threads all the time and they never get deleted. This place has been forsaken.

>>21764345
Your can only report things successfully if it's of topic, genius. It had to be completely unrelated to literature.

>>21764325
>how great it was 5 years ago

Oomph

>>21761147
we NEED to bring back big chungus posting. its the only way to save this board.

It just feels phony to discuss literature right now when society is collapsing. I think this is also why the threads with most posts are usually the culture war or the shitpost ones. We all can see the quality of the board has decreased, but how many of us are actually making or posting in good threads? It feels silly.

>>21764369
I, for one, usually try like the one time a week I spend more than 2 minutes here. I’m beginning to think the end of the catalog might be the best place to start. Lit is still bleeding out litizens though so non-flamewar threads only seem to muster a few replies before fading into oblivion. I miss the days I could lurk for for hours

>It just feels phony to discuss literature right now when society is collapsing.
Typed from a warzone or famine-stricken area and not a comfortable Western abode with heating, running water and electricity, I presume.

>>21764392
From the third world.

>>21761147
I think I have the solution. We need a /pollit/ board. It should be a blue board and all the political-focused discussions around books should go there.

>>21764418
I’ve thought this at first but with nonfiction/philosophy, and fiction/poetry. But I’ve seen clearly that containment boards fail and become the main draw of the overall website

>>21764418
This is already the /pollit/ board (and it's great at that). What we need is a /books/ board.

>>21764008
See you tomorrow!

>>21764425
>But I’ve seen clearly that containment boards fail and become the main draw of the overall website
I'm not so sure about this. /lit/ coexisted with /pol/ for many years and the quality was still high. Blue boards started going to shit after the 4channel split. This board in particular has become much faster since then as well. And I suspect the new anons aren't coming from the red boards. You cannot even find /pol/ on google.

>>21761147
I don't want to be anti science but I genuinely feel like my IQ dropped massively after I got the covid vaccines and now I'm unable of having any intelligent discussion over anything. My brain gets overwhelmed extremely easily.

>>21761228
>>21761420
What threads would you consider good right now?

>>21763966
The fact that I had to go back to early january to find ONE good poster tells me otherwise, but of course a coy little bitch like you would never admit that, you'd rather keep reading BAP with your butt buddies
>>21764211
Mainstreamization amongst /pol/ types. Why do you people pretend that retarded teenage larpers who want to defend LE WEST aren't the main issue with this board right now

>>21764399
I'm in the third world and I have all of those things

>>21761147
No one here reads.

>>21764709
>Why do you people pretend that retarded teenage larpers who want to defend LE WEST aren't the main issue with this board right now
Because they have always been here and have never been an issue. How can you blame the downfall of the board on the Spengler threads when there are things like this in the catalogue >>21764702. The problem is that we're getting too many meme threads. It's becoming like /tv/.

The worst was when anons were obsessed with reading and making charts. Or when twitterfags thought they could become the next kantbot (lol) if they posted their half baked political takes here.

>>21764702
this thread right here is the prime example of how fucking shit this board and this website as a whole has become the past few years, it is mind-boggling how often threads like this are made. some retard posting a TikTok video or trendy social media topic and then vaguely relating it to the subject of the board like "Movies or books like X?" and then the thread immediately becomes popular and filled with political shitflinging because that's all you faggots on this website care about anymore, stupid culture war bullshit that hardly affects your life

>>21764751
Absolutely. The board is full of /pol/tards larping as the saviors of LE WEST. Things won't improve until we ban all of them.

>>21764751
>that hardly affects your life

>>21764744
>>21764751
COPE harder. That thread is KINO! KINO! KINO! Only a S0VLESS faggot could not see it. I pity you.

>>21764751
>>21764763
I don’t know why you come to /lit/ to talk about books when other, better websites exist.

>>21764772
please explain how a tiktok roastie impacts your life

>>21764790
Because women owe me sex but media is making them entitled cunts who only want to fuck successful and older Chads. This not only affects me personally, but it's creating a societal crisis. Young men like myself have no reason to participate in society anymore. We're told we're not owed sex, but society still expect to be owed a worker from us.

>>21764786
name 1, most websites have been totally homogenized. if you want to talk about a specialized subject then your only options are joining a discord server or subreddit. 4chan remains the most accessible place on the internet to talk about certain subjects which is why it's disproportionately influential

>>21764744
>. How can you blame the downfall of the board on the Spengler threads
Because back then, when Evola was the big meme, people at least tried to read his insane bablings.
Meanwhile the Spengler thread up right now is about how Oswald was somehow the precursor to the INTELLECTUAL DARK WEB.

>>21764801
>4chan remains the most accessible place on the internet to talk about certain subjects which is why it's disproportionately influential
and yet, /lit/ seems incapable of talking about books.

>>21764804
/lit/ was perfectly capable of talking about books 5-6 years ago even if the discussion wasn't always what one would expect.
This thread has multiple posts of the same complaint, that people here don't even pretend to read anymore, they just want validation for their meme fash authors.
I don't even hate Ted as much as I hate Guenon or Evola but to pretend that it's NORMAL to have like 4 fucking unabomber threads up at the same time is a bit too much, it's not about reading as much as it is being recognized for wanting to read, and it's always the most ridiculous meme options possible.

>>21764813
>to have like 4 fucking unabomber threads up at the same time
That has never been rare here. I didn't even know who the Unabomber was before I started coming here.

>>21764820
>That has never been rare here. I didn't even know who the Unabomber was before I started coming here.
Try being born before 1995, both of those things only attest to your terminal newfaggotry.
Ted was talked about here as he was anywhere else until /pol/lacks found his bizarre screeching about muh feminists and started memeing him more and more, and even then it was never anything as prevalent as multiple threads and an anprim general and so on.

>>21761147
You’re about 13 years late with this observation.

>>21764820
You're unironically arguing with a /leftypol/ tranny who is trying to take advantage of how shitty the board has gotten by blaming it on le chuds. Notice how he won't say anything about all the blatantly off topic threads. No, the problem is Guenon and the Unabomber.

>>21764831
the problem is dumb fucking retards like yourself thinking Guenon and Unabomber are similar because they both hate le libs.
The Evolaposters were so much better than you retards

>>21764828
I'm not American. Why the fuck would I have known about the Unabomber? Before coming here like 10 years ago I had never heard of him at all.

>>21764836
Notice how he didn't deny being a /leftypol/ tranny. Also I didn't say they were similar, just that you were blaming the board problems on them, instead of the off topic threads.

>>21764838
I'm not american either, but I'm not too young to pretend Ted wasn't a big deal. Both left and right wingers have been reading and talking about Industrial Society since it first came out, but knowing that requires you to actually give a shit about politics and philosophy
>>21764848
>le tranny
holy fucking shit you fucking absolute faggot just chop your dick off already, no one can stand this shit anymore. I never went to leftypol and I'm rather sure I've been on more heterosexual monogamic relationships than you, I just can't stand you absolutely dull pieces of shit deciding you enjoy an author before reading him and shitting this whole fucking place up more than it already was during the DFW interview discovery days.

>>21764813
Stop talking about the past and talk about the present. /lit/, right now can’t event talk about books.

>>21764452
This. Things got bad after 4channel became a thing. I think the problem is that there are just too many users now and the ratio between oldfags and nefags is broken. /lit/ used to be a very small community. Threads could be unbumpted for days and still be on the catalogue, so even if you didn't lurk every day, you had a high chance of finding an interesting thread. Now threads die after not even 12 hours, so anything that is niche or requires effort-posting is doomed to go unnoticed and disappear in a few hours.

>>21764885
This thread is abou a decline in the board, it's impossible to talk about the present state without comparing it to a previous, higher point, but to know that you'd have to be familiar with words and language, which clearly don't seem to be a preocupation for the new /lit/ poster.

>>21764898
Maybe there should be a rule that for each thread you make you first need to post 10 times. I think it would dramatically reduce the low quality threads. And if it takes some effort, even if it's minimal, to earn the chance of making a thread, you will be incentivize to make something decent that won't go to waste.

>>21764898
>Now threads die after not even 12 hours
You can keep threads alive but you have to have a few dedicated people to bump the thread.

>>21764217
>The quality of the posters here has dropped below the internet average
I'd honestly rather know I'm dealing with a trolling spic teenager than having to tiptoe through a disingenuous insubstantial "discussion" in a place like reddit

>>21764217
>The quality of the posters here has dropped below the internet average
Nah. No way. The average user of reddit and twitter is so braindead that instead of recognizing they are talking to bots programmed to shill for propaganda talking points, they try to imitate them, thinking it will make them fit in.

>>21764949
>Nah. No way. The average user of reddit and twitter is so braindead that instead of recognizing they are talking to bots programmed to shill for propaganda talking points, they try to imitate them, thinking it will make them fit in.
So they’re like /lit/? Though I, at least, managed to talk about books on Reddit unlike here.

>>21764425
>containment boards fail and become the main draw of the overall website
Haha yeah like when /mlp/ did the same before /pol/
And who can forget the massive influence /trash/ has had since its inception
You're retarded

>>21764958
Almost no one bothers running bots on here. The captcha system makes it impossible to do it for free.

>>21764965
You sure? Because I see russian bots here all the time?

>>21764965
Did you even check the catalog before making this post?

>>21764751
Most obnoxious threads on this site. It's always some grotesque coomer shit or violence and some smug faggot with arms folded going, "BOOKS for this FEEL? heh, isn't this just so outrageous or titillating??? Bet you never seen anything like this before, huh faggot? I'm blowing your goddamn mind" Fucking hate this shit

>>21764981
Same. Book for this feel?

>>21761147
This thread is useless, all good points could be summed up in 2 articles on how shit /lit/ has become.
https://donotresearch.net/posts/lit
https://donotresearch.net/posts/rate-your-shelf

>>21764990
>especially if this piece can thread the needle of not condoning bigotry while creating a sympathetic account of why this niche exists
What a massive faggot. Dropped.

>>21764965
There's literally a 4chan captcha solver available.

>>21764990
This guy just got it. /lit/ards are fucking jealous of all the people who are actually making it in the literary world. They wish they could be Sally Rooney. But since they are talentless hacks, they say "I didn't want it anyway", and blame minorities for their own failures. All I have to say is that if that these minorities that you look as so inferior can get published, then what's your excuse?

>>21764990
>/lit/’s biggest memes are recommended reading lists, but consuming only the texts discussed on the board would produce a very warped, likely far-right, wojak sitting atop an armchair made of his own brains. For example, shitpants-moron, Charles Murray, of The Bell Curve fame is often recommended and discussed. As is Thomas Ligotti’s anti-natalist manifesto The Conspiracy Against the Human Race. Mussolini’s fascist intellectual, Julius Evola, and his nonsense screed Revolt Against the Modern World makes the /lit/ syllabus often and contributes to a sense that these texts are “forbidden” truths; truth that Hillary Clinton wishes to keep locked away. Q drops fed off the same exhilaration at finding occult secrets, but the landscape on /lit/ is already seeded with sleeper agents—none bigger than the reclusive novelist Tommy Pinecone (Thomas Pynchon).
Holy fuck what an idiot.

>>21764990
>/lit/ exists because we aren't.... LE COMMUNIST!
Marx readers are so cringe.

>>21764990
>Margo Bergamini is a writer interested in cultural currents critical of modernity. She researches online reactionary subcultures like the alt-right and its various competing present-day successors, all of which are themselves distinctly modern. Her essays investigate these groups’ — and others’ — autodidactic efforts, and how these efforts express a desire for beauty and refinement that neither platforms nor contemporary institutes can satisfy.
>Margo is co-director of “Do Not Research,” a publishing platform. Her essays can be found there. Her poetry — which engages with the poetic tradition’s broader reaction to modernity and progress — can be found here on her Instagram: @ismargohere.
This person, and I'm saying this without irony, could not understand my posts. Unsure if it is because they are a woman or a tranny but either way, not a good outlook.

>>21764990
The second article is some intra-leftist rambling that says next to nothing about /lit/.

>>21765048
>What surprises and saddens me is the absence of a leftist counterforce.
>atheist materialists surprised they can't think after scrambling their souls with delusions

>>21765048
he kinda cute doe

>>21765074
He kinda gay tho. You kinda a faggot yo. Kys bro.

>>21761147
This entire board is just people shit posting about books they've never read until they understand the basic premise through argument and rebuttal.

>>21761147
That's true of the entire internet.

>>21764990
I can see why the girl from the second post would come here even if she didn't fit in. She explains it herself really. But what's the deal with the first guy? Not only he seems to dislike the board kultcha, but he doesn't even seem to understand it. He was not putting any effort into taking the posts at face value. It's like he was strawmanning everything he read on here, assuming it must have been written by a caricature of a chud.

>>21761147
It's quite simple. 4chan became reddit and reddit became redditer. No social media site can escape the influence this place had, and its newfaggotry replaced all forms of sincerity it already had.

>>21764990
>https://donotresearch.net/posts/rate-your-shelf
I don't get her. Why is she exactly a leftist if she seems to disagree with what the modern left stands for and thinks they should learn from the "alt-right" (what kind of clueless moron could use that term unironically after lurking this board for years)? It's like she has accepted as an immutable fact that the left is intrinsically correct, and if reality doesn't match that, then leftism must be reshaped until it does, even if by doing so it becomes a reflection of the right.

>>21765138
They don't even mention the Jews.

>>21764990
All I got from those links is that /lit/ is shit because those kind of people come here.

>>21764990
>and the veneration of the chaste and fatherly Jordan Peterson
Nigga, who in the right venerates Jordan Peterson?

>>21765179
Never mind. It's a tranny. That explains it. Bioleninism in action.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jacWZXZnbzQ

>>21761449
Illam feminam arare volo.

>>21761147
What about having a Fascism General? It could clean a bit the catalogue and the fascist anons could have a single place to discuss their ideas.

We really live in an intellectual dark age, there's no denying it.

Also surprised that 2nd blogpost was from 2021 and it's rambling about Logo Daedalus and Kantbot
Feels very passé

>>21764292
/tv/ is objectively the best board on this website.

>meanwhile on 2019 /lit/

>>21765240
We need more Varg threads again, but I'm glad we're not getting as many Peterson or Deleuze threads anymore.

>>21761694
This.

>>21761147
this is 4channel now gramps, get with the times.

>>21761449
I love Joanna so much it's unreal.

>>21761147
/lit/ was never good.

>>21764829
Anons deploring the state of the board 13 years ago would have a heart attack if they saw it today
>>21764920
You should only be able to make 1 thread a week
>>21764959
/pol/ is a different beast. If you don’t see the difference between them that’s on you. Someone can bludgeon their political opinions in anything and they tend to take it more seriously. Look at all the anons on their own personal crusades now

>>21765113
We should try to have some fun with theses people. When it is obvious that they are doing this we should feed them plausible miss information so that, when they try to use what they have "learned" to look smart they come off as the ass hat that they are.

>>21765113
This is surprisingly accurate. I managed to get through a class on Foucault with the knowledge I gained from shitposting here.

>>21761449
>>21761637
>>21761704
These anons all have it right. To become a humanities major in 2023 is a fool's game. Especially taking on debt. Instead of following my passion, English major at a private university with a good program, I did a STEM degree at my local state school. I planned on trying to double major with English but it ultimately wasn't worth the extra time and cost. On the one hand I still think about how my collegiate experience could have gone, on the other hand I am now in a comfortable line of work and sitting pretty financially. I have a few bookshelves and when I eventually purchase a house I'll put in a nice library. I'll be able to sit there in luxury and obsess over the path not taken.

>>21761147
This is one of the few boards I truly consider to never have been good.
From early fiction discussions, to faggot philosophy spammers who never read philosophy, to now.

>>21765493
>unreal?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjdOK-h1hH4

all you'd need to do to make interest boards usable again is enforce the rules. ban generals, obvious outrage bait and any thread that's clearly off-topic on sight. problem solved.
now as to why mods don't do that, it's because they're overwhemingly terminally online politicals themselves and those are the threads they themselves frequent.

>>21766375
We have a couple in this thread right now: at least one failed former jannie and one wannabe, both too obtuse to recognize that they’re worse than the people they rail against. Seems a common theme in human endeavour. Any books on the topic?

The issue isn't that there's a bunch of bait threads (I'm all for them if it means the posters keep to themselves), the issue is that almost anything that isn't a pure bait thread gets invaded and shut down by /pol/cord trannies for (even tangentially) involving women or Jews or being too reddit or not being sufficiently right-wing or whatever.

Reporting such content for trolling doesn't help, since it takes half a day for jannies to clean up shitposts, by which time the thread has either devolved into Current Thing Bad or died completely.

/lit/ was always edgier than the average book forum, sure, but I refuse to accept this grug-tier "board culture". It's false. It's the raid that won't end. It's a shit state of affairs and I won't take it anymore.

>>21761659
>and he was never mentioned here 5 years ago
He was, just not as often. But I don't see many Guenon threads lately, seems like it peaked in 2022 when there were simultaneously 4-7 Guenon and Evola threads all the time across the board.

>>21766574
This

>>21766591
Evola was more organic and came from twitter retards spamming low quality threads on him (to be clear I love Evola but this is indisputable), Guenon was more Guenonfag spamming and a few people joining in.

I wish Guenonfag would make more reading threads for the Vedas and bhasyas instead of mostly arguing with Buddhists about the status of the Vedas.

>>21766574

>>21766018
This. Newfags don't remember the "golden age" of /lit/ when it was half a dozen tripfags circle jerking and posting low-res webcam photos of themselves for years until they all fucked off to /soc/.

>>21766375
>ban generals
This is a horrible idea. If anything there should be more generals, since the discussion in them is generally of higher quality.

>>21761147
hey i've been here a long time and it's never been good.

>>21764539
That Shakespeare one with the autism battle going on in it.

>>21764539
The John Green one.

>>21764990
>a libtard soicuck
>a literal tranny
Why these people come here? I don't get it.

>>21761147
The board is going to shit because the leftypol tranny jannies delete all the threads where people actually discuss books.

The site just needs a religion board, also more effortposters need to just make “I read this book let’s talk about it!” threads those are the only good ones on here now with people actually discussing books. You reading this, next time you finish a book, post the cover in the OP and give a brief synopsis and key points of it. Ask questions about it to other anons, don’t come out swinging with a combative tone especially if the book is by a meme author or is about religion or politics

>>21767132
But no one discusses books?

>>21761147
In what ways has /lit/ declined so fucking hard?
was it
>le golden age of /lit/ of 2012:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDrz2LGMVwA
Dear OP, /lit/ has been the same since 2014. Of course there are fluctuations, sometimes there are effortposters and the most have been here between 2015-2020 but right now there isn't even an annoying hype flooding the board.
The novel as a medium has been in decline for a many years.

>>21761147
this board has declined and it's plain to see
no this aint the /lit/ that it used to be
back in the day, i saw threads so litty
nowadays though - they're just too shitty
what can i say - it is such a pity!

sci fi and fantasy, no infinite jest
as a true /lit/ poster this i detest
wake up, it's time to post on the L.I.T.
shitposts abound while i sip my tea
all i got to say is r.i.p...

>>21761175
i only started visiting this site regularly around 2016, but even i can tell it went downhill.

>>21767197
>also more effortposters need to just make “I read this book let’s talk about it!” threads
But they all left for Reddit or other sites that talk about books.

>>21767339
This is the harsh truth. That’s how bad this place has become

>>21767339
>>21767359
If you want to go to reddit then go to reddit. No one will miss you here.

>>21761162
Yeah but even compared to 2020 /lit/ the difference is night and day.

>>21767339
I just checked /r/ literature for the first time ever and I see a bunch of people blabbering about that End of the English major article. Only difference is that they were blaming gubmint and here people are blaming social justice warriors. Seems pretty similar and politics infused to me

>>21761147
being a flat earth poltard is fashionable now

>>21763316
>Brain damaged from covid
i genuinely believe this to be the case

>>21767373
Check out r/truelit

>>21761204
>fascists and rightoids alike
True.

>>21767379
That one does look a bit better than here in terms of the proportion of proper literature threads but there’s still a bunch of politics and “literature current events” type threads. I would say what /lit/ could take away from truelit would be to be more consistent with posting generals and read alongs

>>21763316
>Brain damaged from covid
100%. The russian bots will blame it on the vax though. This website is now full of genuinely mentally impaired people who think being contrarian make them cool, but all the cool kids left this place a while ago.
>>21767339
People love to shit on reddit, but it's much better than here. Just avoid ar books tho.

>>21767403
It’s not nearly as political or culture war centered as /lit/ is.

>>21767403
We need a board for /polhobbies/ or /polmedia/ or whatever. That's what most people want anyway, but you can't do it on /pol/ because it moves to fast and most threads are about news, so you can't discuss books nor even movies.

>>21767478
From what year is that? It may not be peak /lit/, but fuck, /lit/ used to be so much better. Now most threads are /pol/ bullshit.

>>21767484
From 11th march of 2023, those threads are still here. If you think this is peak /lit/, you may go post something there.

>>21767525
it's march 10th retard

>>21767525
Well, at least they aren't /pol/ bait. Those are the threads that are ruining this board. A bit of shitposting is fine and has always been a thing anyway.

>>21761147
Lemme guess a bunch of crybabies crying over /pol/. Without /pol/ this board would be dead, we bring all the interesting discussion. If you want to trannypost take that shit to r*ddit. We don’t tolerate it here. The only thing /pol/ does is discuss the truth. That makes a lot of trannies cry. I wish all the trannies would leave. /lit/ IS /pol/. THIS IS OUT HOUSE!!!

>The Great Sage, whom they had unfrozen from a bygone era, millennia in the past, only said one sentence, and what he'd told them left them speechless. Soiaman had his mouth agape for a minute. He made a weird grating sound before he managed to speak. "What do you mean it's all in your head?"
>"It's all in your head, brah," repeated the master. His long white beard and bushy eyebrows flowed gracefully under the mountain breeze
>"I've seen people explode! They explode when they hear the N-word!"
>"How can we possibly fight such a weapon, it's too powerful!"
>"It's just a word," said the Great Sage. "Like, dude."
>"Just a word..." said Zöë (they/them). "What does it mean?" they asked, almost to themself, but enough that the master could hear them. But the master did not move. He was like a statue.
>Tyrone checked the old man's pulse. "Daym. He dead, yo," he said, and he slipped the man's Rolex off his wrist.
"Just a word...."

>>21761147
Anonymity became the main draw of 4channel. Newfags think it’s the Wild West and lawless. They have no respect for the existing culture and just come here to rant and scream into the void because they are anonymous and it’s allowed

>>21767695
And that’s the beauty of it. Without fresh rage, fresh salt, fresh insight imagine how stale things would be

>>21767917
Things are stale. We've had the same impotent virgin rage for nearly a decade now.

>>21767948
Yeah there is only so many ways you can type multi paragraph long screeds about hating women, trannys or jews out of left field. It’s gets old. We get it. You can’t get a woman, you blame the jews for being a loser, and you are as strong as your most hated enemy: the tranny

>>21767948
I hate to break it to you anon but that’s the overarching board culture. They don’t think it be but it do

>>21768006
And that is why oldfags are complaining. The board culture is unrecognizable from what made this site great and unique

>>21768016
Nah. Board culture is much better now. This place used to be reddit-ish. What has gone downhill is the quality of the threads/posts, but the culture has only improved.

>>21768089
That’s probably because you are of the bitter pol and incel archetype.

>>21761162
every two weeks or so

>>21764990
remember this whenever someone makes a "complaint" about /lit/ that mentions /pol/ or right wing discourse specifically

>>21765199
Why every girl that comes here must be a tranny? Where are the cute fascist cis girls?

>>21768400
Women are incapable of being unhappy enough to develop interiority in this era. All the real women are up in the surface world frolicking.

>>21761147
Card is the only one left putting any effort into his threads. It's like we in the left just gave up and we're letting the /pol/ chuds to take over the /lit/ discourse.

>>21766574
>The issue isn't that there's a bunch of bait threads (I'm all for them if it means the posters keep to themselves), the issue is that almost anything that isn't a pure bait thread gets invaded and shut down by /pol/cord trannies for (even tangentially) involving women or Jews or being too reddit or not being sufficiently right-wing or whatever.
You're outright fucking retarded, the people baiting are the same as the /pol/tards are the same as most openly "leftie" posters. It's all obnoxious abrasive ESL zoomers. I should know, because I'm one of them as well.
Angloniggers will literally post in an offtopic meta thread how "bait threads aren't the issue" and then bitch about some rightoid boogieman while failing to fucking understand that the entire cancer ruining the board is toxic abrasive low-effort trolls who shit where they eat and have zero ideological affiliation. But no, the eternal anglo only cares that they're badmouthing le hecking women and jews (being impolite). This entire thread is full of morons missing the problem. Especially, they can't understand when "/pol/" is just the default baseline of a third-worlder who doesn't give a fuck about your dipshit etiquette and isn't acting in any political way, but acting entirely naturally and sincerely.
Idiot cunt, I'm smarter, better-read, and probably better educated than you are, and I'd take some retarded spic teenager over you any day. You're pathetic.

>>21761147
quite sad to see indeed. Now before this thread gets archived i'd like to ask a very important question what are some good websites to download ebooks? libgen sucks dicks btw

I and a few other anons literally read The Enneads over the past two months.

/pol/chad here. I love it when you faggots seethe over me. It really makes my day (:

>>21767413
>Let's get another useless organ for the cancer to spread to, so it won't go to the brain and lungs

>>21761729
Ah yes, without the traditional publishing industry how could we ever find a way to collaborate

>>21767478
What a bunch of shit threads.

>>21761860
Read Johan Rudolf Kjellén

Where do so many incel//pol/-whiners come from? Incel posting has never been big here and lit has always been on the edge of the political spectrum

>>21769254
/lit/ is pretty much the only place where you can discuss right wing literature on its own merits. It's natural it will attract right wing people.

>>21769254
ever noticed that only people who say "lit" and "pol" have a problem with right wing posting

>>21769265
Go back to tv

>>21768574

>>21770185
why are you posting a reaction image with one of those horrific new-internet political scapegoat caricatures, while you're complaining about tourists bringing their disgusting politics-infested "culture" to interest boards?

>>21770261
Nta but is unintentional irony still irony? Like is irony it’s own inverse? Deep thoughts

>>21770269
it's dramatic irony on the world stage of history

>>21770274
>2deep4u

>>21770261
he got what he fucking deserved

There's been a noticeable decline in the quality of discourse since Muslims have tried infiltrating right-wing circles. They're consistently the dumbest, most obstiate, unnecessarily aggressive posters here. Worst of all, they're so bad at understanding the simplest arguments put in front of them that it makes me question their literacy. They haven't done as much damage here as they did on /his/, bu they've made this board worse.
I don't know if it's specific to them or just the way that the new form right-wing autism is always be worse than the last.

>>21767293
Mister I'll discuss book but first please tell me where I can pirate ebooks, libgen sucks btw and I know I've asked this question before but I have been looking for a good libgen alternative for weeks now and still haven't found one. I would make my own thread but I can't since I've lost the ability to. Please bros understand my pain,I love you all even though we'll never meet irl

>>21770370
It's a free market tranny.

>>21770760
>the kind of people who are interested in Islam have such a reductive and animalistic worldview that they immediately result to talking about sexual politics.
The only thing I like about you guys is that you always seem intent on proving my points for me.

>>21770370
>one guy from Turkey wants to be in the chud club
>he sucks!
Heh. Aw man.

>>21770992
The fact that you're singling out one particular species of politics-obsessed retard is all the proof anyone needs that you're one yourself. The kind of person, and mind you, you barely deserve to be considered that, who turns any conversation you participate in into a political shit-flinging contest because in your feverish mind you're convinced that if you don't "they" win.

You're a disgrace. Read a book for fuck's sake.

>>21768432
He puts effort into his students, if you know what I mean.

>>21771143
It's the Twitterisation of the internet, anon. He can only understand soundbites.

>>21771261
What? Is he a teacher? Now I'm concerned.

>>21771143
I''m only singling them out because as a user of this board, I have engaged with these people, and through doing so have noticed that they drag down the quality of the board more than any other group of posters. I'm not singling them out as much as they are by being noticeably worse in their posing than everyone else; all I'm doing is seeing that.

>>21761147
What about having a "TV posting general" for all the tv posting?

>>21771524
it's called /tv/

>>21761147
thank Aderall medications

>>21771542
Then why don’t they go there?

>>21761147
People equate reading with intelligence so /lit/ has become a satellite board for anons who feel they are above other boards. The main offenders are the /pol/tard, the incel, and the zoomer. Many anons fit under all three

>>21772526
Absolutely and I don't see a turning point to be honest. I've been trying to get my lefty server to raid /lit/ to see if we can save it, but everyone is fucking exhausted and they don't even want to do it anymore. It's as useless as trying to raid /pol/. We've tried everything, from pushing theory, to trying to discuss leftist writers, to just try to ridicule anyone who has right wing takes, but it doesn't make any fucking difference. It's like talking to a wall. They just call you a tranny or any other edgy insult they have. I'm done to be honest. I spend more time on /r/lit and /r/truelit now anyway.

>>21761147
Last time this board felt fun was around 2020 I blame zoomers bots and tv leakage

>>21772548
The problem is clearly /pol/.

>>21772552
/tv/ is /pol/

>>21761147
then leave, never in my life have I made durr this board sucks now durr posts. just leave, do anything else on this planet other than post on this mongolian basket weaving literature board holy fuck you should all kys

>>21772538
>We've tried everything, from pushing theory, to trying to discuss leftist writers, to just try to ridicule anyone who has right wing take
If you want to talk about left wing theory or leftists writers you can simply go to any college in the western or chinese world. See >>21769255 for why nobody likes your faggotry.

>>21767364
/lit/ was unreadable in 2020, it hasn't been readable since like 2018 and it hasn't been good since like 2015

>>21772766
You seem to ignore that many don’t even discuss right wing literature here. If your idea of discussion is going on tirades about the jews, trannys and the usual /pol/ enemies, I pity the future of right wing discourse. You can remove the topic of literature from these screeds and it wouldn’t make a difference. There is a difference between right wing and /pol/. If you don’t think the latter hurts this place then I don’t know what you think does. There is a real impression that many don’t read here and are only interested in literature in the most surface way possible, or it’s relation to other subjects

>>21772802
There were at least a few good threads and posts in the last few years. /lit/ feels like a ghost town now with readers abandoning

>>21772811
>If your idea of discussion is going on tirades about the jews, trannys and the usual /pol/ enemies
>We've tried everything, from pushing theory, to trying to discuss leftist writers, to just try to ridicule anyone who has right wing take
> There is a real impression that many don’t read here and are only interested in literature in the most surface way possible, or it’s relation to other subjects

>>21772846
I wasn’t the anon posting about pushing left wing theory. I would have the same issue if that’s all this board was. It’s the cultural war and its participants, no matter which side, that I have a problem with. Can you understand that?

>>21772858
>I wasn’t the anon
I doubt it. You have no issue with the leftist admitting to trying to shitpost right wing discussion to death while crying that /pol/ has killed the board. The same things that damage this board have damaged every non-closed website.

>>21772869
I literally just said I have a problem with it in the post you replied to. There is just so much more right wing shitposting that left wing shitposting seems minor at the moment. If that was reversed I would be bitching about /leftypol/

>>21772858
>theorycels can't into theory
What is new?

It gets worse over the weekend

>>21772869
Why are right wings so afraid of theory? Are you worried that your world view will get destroyed when it's torn apart?

>>21768432
What is it about this guy that makes him so creepy? At first glance he looks incredibly dysgenic, but then if you look at each feature, none of them is particularly bad, yet there's something about him that makes him look like a pedo serial killer.